Was Skypeia more than just for show?

DBZOP

I was thinking about a way for One Piece to end lately, and I came with a theory. This is probably just mindless to a lot of other people, but the one way that I can think of Luffy and the others actually staying alive after their excursion through the Grand Line is actually by revisiting Sky Island. Since almost no one has ever actually made it up into the clouds, They would almost literally be safe up there away from the marines and old adversaries.

I know, boring right?

But when you think about it, there has been a major reason for every arc so far, except for the Skypeia arc. I felt this would be the only way it could still play a major impact on the rest of the story.

AGAIN: THIS IS JUST AN IDEA (i don't want to get flamed for a frickin' idea)

Kefky

If you want a "reason" for the arc, the ancient history that Robin found was more than enough.

I don't see them going back there, though. Too difficult, and it's out of their normal course.

DBZOP

I thought the only Poneglyphs found were the one with Roger, (pretty interesting) and the other "WMD." maybe I just couldn't remember which history you're talking about.

Plus, this was ment to be after Raftel, so if there was a chance they could go back through, I'm sure they would.

Captain Brooke

NO no no, Skypedia was an important arc, so much stuff happened for other arcs, I'm just going to name a few things, Robin and the Poneglyphs, Ussop and the Dails, he could have never made the Clima-tact for Nami, and she could have never won at Enies Lobby or helped as much as she did, Ussop could have never built his new weapon (forgot the name, forgive me) which was use to stop Spandam at the Gates Of Justice from bringing Robin through the gates, Zoro would have learned 3 pound cannon, they needed the gold so Franky could buy Adam's Wood to build Thousand Sunny, the list goes on and on, that was an important arc just like the rest, they got so many things out that arc that helped later on, if they didn't go there, who knows what would have happen if they didn't get the things they need out that arc!

Strohhut-Ruffy

@Captain:

NO no no, Skypedia was an important arc, so much stuff happened for other arcs, I'm just going to name a few things, Robin and the Poneglyphs, Ussop and the Dails, he could have never made the Clima-tact for Nami, and she could have never won at Enies Lobby or helped as much as she did, Ussop could have never built his new weapon (forgot the name, forgive me) which was use to stop Spandam at the Gates Of Justice from bringing Robin through the gates, Zoro would have learned 3 pound cannon, they needed the gold so Franky could buy Adam's Wood to build Thousand Sunny, the list goes on and on, that was an important arc just like the rest, they got so many things out that arc that helped later on, if they didn't go there, who knows what would have happen if they didn't get the things they need out that arc!

that's right.

an in my opinion OP would end like this, if it'd end like Dragon Ball, Harry Potter or something. kinda open end. but I think OP'll have a definitive end, so that the reader not just only knows that "they ran away happily ever after".

Shark

Also, going there allowed the crew to escape from Blackbeard. If he had caught them, the adventures of the Strawhat Pirates would be over.

Lobster Pot-Sticker

^I doubt it. They've gotten themselves out of worst situations.

Kaze no Barako

@Lobster:

^I doubt it. They've gotten themselves out of worst situations.

-laughs-

I'm pretty sure that, at that level, most of the Straw Hats wouldn't have stood a chance against the Blackbeard Pirates, and I'm not even a fan of theirs. It's not like any of them have any anti-gravity attacks, and if you're gonna mention Franky and his Coup de Burst or whatever, he wasn't there yet.

I'm pretty sure Skypiea was there for four reasons:

a much-needed powerup for the coming arcs
escape from mostly certain doom
a reason to get a new ship (the damage to the hull wasn't there before Skypiea)
foreshadowing with that whole Gol D. Roger/Poneglyph connection.

Lobster Pot-Sticker

Maybe they would have just sunken their ship… Like pirates do :x

Waaaait... if One Piece is about PIRATES, then why don't the Strawhats have any epic Boss fights at sea?

That's it... everything is a lie

Kaze no Barako

@Lobster:

Maybe they would have just sunken their ship… Like pirates do :x

Good luck shooting down their ship when Teach can just suck all the cannonballs in and then back out at them.

@Lobster:

Waaaait… if One Piece is about PIRATES, then why don't the Strawhats have any epic Boss fights at see?

You know, I've always wondered that. :wassat: I guess Wapol doesn't count…

Admiral Wolfpox

What kind of a stupid question is that? Of course it's not for show. Oda gives every arc significance. BLASPHEMER!!

SmokeBomb

@Captain:

, Ussop and the Dails, he could have never made the Clima-tact for Nami,quote]

I thought Nami used the clima tact during the alabasta arc too.

Also Straw Hats goals are to get to raftel. So going back to skypea would not fit their calender. Although, if there is another sky island then straw hats could use that to get away from the marines, but that would side track them from getting to raftel and maybe mess up their grand compass.

Mad_Scientist

I think Skypeia was also important, because it had the crew go through a major ordeal with Robin as a member. In order for Enies Lobby to have more meaning, in order for people like Zoro who were initially suspicious of her to consider her a comrade, it was important that the Straw Hats face something a bit bigger than Foxy and the Davy Back Fight while she was a member. At least in my mind.

Imagine how it would have been, though, if as right after Alabasta, all we got before Enies Lobby was Foxy? Wouldn't that have made the whole Robin thing seem a bit odd? From enemy to maybe comrade for a few chapters, to suddenly an irreplacable member that the Straw Hats will risk their lives to get back.

*Meh*

Well, the message Roger left in Skypiea was significant itself at the time- if only because it gave Robin a reason to keep travelling with Luffy. With the revelation of Ohara's destruction and the Void Century during the Enies Lobby chapters, the True History has taken on a level of mystery and importance it had not previously held with fans.

Not that I wouldn't want them to visit again sometime, but if Roger's "treasure" is at Raftel then it most likely is the history for the Void Century. The revelation of what the World Gov't. has been hiding for eight hundred years will likely have an impact on the entire world, including Skypiea; They might not even be safe there. Besides, it might interfere with the dreams some of them have, Usopp in particular. How could he be a brave warrior of the seas if he was hiding up in the clouds?

King Kobra

I can't believe nobody mentioned the dials. XD

Anyways, like you said, Gol D. Roger knowing about the Rio Poneloglyph was good for a story development.

Trekkor

Skypeia may not give an "UBER BOUNTY BOOZT" but it serves as a foundation on many things they used in future arc, I mean, imagine if Luffy's adventures in Skypeia were known to Earth, what would happen then?

OPOIOPP999

I bet Bellamy (if he's still alive) and Co. would feel stupid.

cactusmomma

Skypiea not important?

I smell foreboding! (From ep 337)

skarlath

^^ That is NOT the correct translation… or the anime fucked it up bad

as for reasons 1) dials

and far more importantly 2) IT WAS A FUCKING SKY ISLAND!

joekido the Second

Most fans don't like Skypiea beacuse it was disconnected from the current world situations and was consired a filler arc. But comon, why do they want Oda to finish up the story so bad?

Anyway:

1. Dials, need for Kabuto and upgrade the Clima Tact. Usopp uses the dials while figthing Luffy. If Skypiea is filler then why does Usopp have them?

2. Waver: found in the wharcked St. Briss ship, had not been for Skypiea it would be dial-less and beat up. Nami uses it after returning from Skypiea. If not for Skypiea then where does the White Horse 3 come from? Franky won't be upgrading it and it would not be in Thousand Sunny slot 3.

3. Gold: This plays an important part in Water 7. Without it they would not have 300 million berries and Franky would not be able to buy the Adam Wood to build Thousand Sunny

4. Klabutterman: This guy made it's frist appearance in Skypiea. He played a small role at the end of Enies Lobby

5. Phoneglyph: Gold Roger was here and it hinted the frist appearance of void century which is made clear in the Ohara flashback.

Skypiea was metioned at the beginning of Thriller Bark

Also Oda was going to finish of Going Merry in this arc but the arc went too long and Oda could not find a way to end Going Merry so he had to held it off until the end of Enies Lobby

Skypiea was unpopular among fans because how long and dragged it was. Such as:

Chopper being turned into a wimp
Norland subplot which makes you go "okay, we got it, we got it!"
Fighting the Natives who are good guys which was pointless
Waiper being annoying
Luffy Vs. Eneru was too dragged. just like the Oz battle.

Well, I like Skypiea however I wished Oda made it more deep with the Angel Island culture.

Greg

But when you think about it, there has been a major reason for every arc so far, except for the Skypeia arc.

Except for the part where it was linked to the events of the Unknown Century and the very history of the world of OP.

And…..ignoring the fact that Skypiea was retardedly important...

Why would Luffy and his crew want to run from anyone? That defeats the very purpose of shonen action/adventure comics.

OPOIOPP999

I can easily see them running if the odds are unfairly stacked against them like the Buster Call.

whaleblue

@Captain:

NO no no, Skypedia was an important arc, so much stuff happened for other arcs, I'm just going to name a few things, Robin and the Poneglyphs, Ussop and the Dails, he could have never made the Clima-tact for Nami, and she could have never won at Enies Lobby or helped as much as she did, Ussop could have never built his new weapon (forgot the name, forgive me) which was use to stop Spandam at the Gates Of Justice from bringing Robin through the gates, Zoro would have learned 3 pound cannon, they needed the gold so Franky could buy Adam's Wood to build Thousand Sunny, the list goes on and on, that was an important arc just like the rest, they got so many things out that arc that helped later on, if they didn't go there, who knows what would have happen if they didn't get the things they need out that arc!

Agree!~ Skypeia is the turning point of some SH.
Nami and Ussop get their power up because of this arc.

@Kaze:

Good luck shooting down their ship when Teach can just suck all the cannonballs in and then back out at them.

Fanky's shark submarine can attack Teach's ship from underwater.
BB is over power doesn't mean he is invincible.

Silver R. Bolt

@Shark:

Also, going there allowed the crew to escape from Blackbeard. If he had caught them, the adventures of the Strawhat Pirates would be over.

Technically if you take out Skypeia, and everything remotly related to Skypeia. The entire timeline of One Piece would change.

Okay, say no Ship falling down from Skypeia, then the Log Pose would have never even Locked on to Skypeia as the next island. So we wouldn't even know of a Sky Island. Meaning no trip to Jaya. So we wouldn't even know about Blackbeard. Atleast not into Ace tracks him down to kill him as orders from WhiteBeard.

So, after skipping Jaya and Sky Island, The StrawHats would have taken an entirely different path of the Grandline.Or even if they still took the same path, they would have arrived at all the islands so much more faster. Say if they arrived at Long Island, Foxy could possible not be there at the time, and so they would've set sail so much faster, then so on and so on.

Trekkor

we also got to see our first glimpse of Donflamingo in the arc aswell

skarlath

@Silver:

Technically if you take out Skypeia, and everything remotly related to Skypeia. The entire timeline of One Piece would change.

Okay, say no Ship falling down from Skypeia, then the Log Pose would have never even Locked on to Skypeia as the next island.

WHAT?

So we wouldn't even know of a Sky Island. Meaning no trip to Jaya.

again… What?

if they arrived at Long Island, Foxy could possible not be there at the time, and so they would've set sail so much faster, then so on and so on.

Yeah, 'cause Foxy was SOOO important to the OP timeline….

Mister_Anbu

you dare question afro luffy!?

Kaze no Barako

@whaleblue:

Fanky's shark submarine can attack Teach's ship from underwater.
BB is over power doesn't mean he is invincible.

Franky wasn't there before Skypiea.

This isn't about whether the Straw Hats could beat Blackbeard's crew right now, it's about whether they could beat them right before Skypiea. I really don't think it could have been very possible then.

lil odz

Oda needed time to develop robin as a character and integrate her into the crew. Imagine if they went basically went from Alabasta to W7 (jaya and DJ backfight probly combine to be less than a full arc).

Besides all the other reasons already listed…

i think skypeia was a great arc, why does it catch so much shit?

Sandai Mera

@joekido:

Most fans don't like Skypiea beacuse it was disconnected from the current world situations and was consired a filler arc. But comon, why do they want Oda to finish up the story so bad?

I think we can all agree that Skypiea is not the only arc to be shunned by most One Piece fans nor is it the only arc that makes fans and non fans wine about how long it is.

Greg

I can easily see them running if the odds are unfairly stacked against them like the Buster Call.

That's not what the poster suggested. The poster suggested that after they completed GL they would retreat to Skypiea to be safe from old villains and Marines.

cactusmomma

@skarlath:

^^ That is NOT the correct translation… or the anime fucked it up bad

as for reasons 1) dials

and far more importantly 2) IT WAS A FUCKING SKY ISLAND!

I do hope you're not referencing to my post. If you feel that the translation is wrong for that ep, take it up with the Instantz group that posts here. I saw that in episode 337 and it seemed kind of foreboding to me..hence why it was capped and posted here.

And for shits, please enlighten us with what your capslocked post was about.

Mr. Lucci

I think that was more of a filler scene added on to the anime, not really a mistranslation.

silverson

something about skypiea never made sense to me and it just felt like a HUGE filler outside of them getting all of that money and eventually meeting franky…..oda couldve did that in a much smaller arc (SHs getting a lot of gold). maybe enel will come back and play a major role or something because the Sky saga and its longevity has yet to make sense/have a meaning to me.

skarlath

@cactusmomma:

I do hope you're not referencing to my post. If you feel that the translation is wrong for that ep, take it up with the Instantz group that posts here. I saw that in episode 337 and it seemed kind of foreboding to me..hence why it was capped and posted here.

And for shits, please enlighten us with what your capslocked post was about.

I recall the manga translation being that Zoro was questioning Luffy's praying to God as Luffy had already "beaten" God in sky island.

They might have added it in the anime, I dunno… not watching it

My capslocks were to point out that Skypiea was a sky island and thus it operates on the rule of cool and thus doesn't matter if it had a purpose or not, but was simply awesome

Mr. Lucci

I liked Skypiea for the reasons stated. It wwas somewhat of an escape from the current situation on the bluse sea. It was also just plain creative.

cactusmomma

@skarlath:

I recall the manga translation being that Zoro was questioning Luffy's praying to God as Luffy had already "beaten" God in sky island.

They might have added it in the anime, I dunno… not watching it

My capslocks were to point out that Skypiea was a sky island and thus it operates on the rule of cool and thus doesn't matter if it had a purpose or not, but was simply awesome

You should probably watch the rest of the scene then at least to get an idea of all that was said.

Ramza

anyone else thinks that they will go back to skypiea?

Captain Brooke

@Ramza:

anyone else thinks that they will go back to skypiea?

HECK NO, that's done and over with!:ninja: there moving forward, not backwards, plus, it takes too much work, and perfect timing just to get up there!:getlost:

whaleblue

@Kaze:

Franky wasn't there before Skypiea.

This isn't about whether the Straw Hats could beat Blackbeard's crew right now, it's about whether they could beat them right before Skypiea. I really don't think it could have been very possible then.

My bad.

I thought you said current SH.

That's why they should go to heaven!

Lobster Pot-Sticker

@whaleblue:

That's why they should go to heaven!

But then they'll run into Conis again

wwwwaaaaiiiiiii~

whaleblue

@Lobster:

But then they'll run into Conis again

wwwwaaaaiiiiiii~

Skypiea is not the only sky islands.

I bet Enel and his minions are from Gaysland (one of the sky islands).

He suddenly turn his sexual orientation to heterosexual, so he hate Gaysland so much until one day he destroy that islands.

poor Bon Clay, he never knew his dream land been destroy.

and mod, please help me to move this thread to the Dump prediction thread.

@Kaze:

People will stop making dumb Predictions outside of this thread.

Guess what!~

lorenzo

Come to think of it, don't we always see Enel in the beginning of every OP chapter nowadays?

Yiddiddy

He had a cover story recently, but it ended a while ago

CongoJack

not really interested in your discussion.

i just want to point out that it was stated that the way the strawhats came to sky island is one out of two ways that lead there.

also it is safe to assume that the second way up is much nearer to the end of GL than the way they used is.

Kater

$10 says Enel comes back somewhere and wrecks havoc.

thepuregamer

Wow, in 3 pages I have not once seen anyone mention the real reason that skypiea is a horrible arc.
1. Enel is just a pitiful repeat of Crocodile and thus we had to watch luffy spend a second entire arc saving a nation of people from slaughter by the evil villain.
2. Weapon upgrades do not make an arc more than for show. Especially when those weapon upgrades were handed to the bottom two strawhats(The guys who weren't making much of a difference anyway).

The only positive side to Skypiea is that it gives credibility to the strawhats wanting to save Robin in Enes Lobby.

Which means that this arc is not even standalone in its importance as it relies completely on the Enes Lobby arc to be worth anything. Thus not quite a filler arc but close to one and really a better job could have been done.

In fact any arc during which Robin fought alongside the strawhats would have served the purpose of solidifying their trust in her.

Which is why Skypiea is one of the worst arcs of one piece.

Kater

I do agree with you there. It also wasn't that long either… Nothing really that memorable came.... Like for Arabasta the fights there were just sheer amazing, but the Skypeia fights aren't ones you remember very easily... The CP9 fights were also so cool.... And then Thriller Bark's Zoro vs. Brooke's Shadows fight was just sheer amazement.. But yea, Skypeia got nothing done.... Luffy didn't even get a high bounty due to it either... One thing though, when you now look at the power of each strawhat, it goes, Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Franky, Robin, Chopper, Nami, Usopp. Though, Zoro and Sanji are about equal. Franky and Robin are about equal, and Chopper, Nami and Usopp are about equal, the power of the Strawhats are getting closer and closer...

Kitsune9-TailedBeast

You all can go fuck yourselves. Skypia was the only true pirating adventure arc. Eneru was just a psychopath and Croc was careful and calculating. And it gave us the Gold Rodger clue, the powerups, the reason the ship was so damaged, an escape from BB, a chance to see Oda doing a very different sort of location, all the gold to buy the Adam wood, and Robin's solidification in the crew so that they could save her which would've take about 3 short arcs otherwise.

Kater

Fine, I will fuck myself as I say that you could've gotten all of that in a more meaningful arc, Skypeia could have had a more original character than another Logia user trying to take a place over.