this thread is giving me bad flashbacks….
couldnt we just postpone this discussion untill we atleast see all the four emperors in battle? (preferebly against a common foe)
Strongest Pirate
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For those who think that Mihawk is stronger then shanks because Mihawk is the best swordsman and shanks uses a sword, clearly Shanks has more of an ability then that. When he walks on to white beards boat he knocks people out with his spirit. The ability to knock people with your spirit can not be gained by being a master swordsman, for if it could Mihawk would be able to do it,as he is the best, and he can't. Also the ability has nothing to do with swords so I have no idea how you could gain it with sword practice.
Taking that into account, one can assume he uses more then swordsmanship in battle. If he uses more then swordsmanship in battle, that could be why he isn't the strongest swordsman, swordsmanship isn't his ability. All he's done, with a sword, is clash with white beard, which parted the sky. I can't be sure, but I think even at their strength just clashing swords can't part the sky. Especially since they weren't using full strength, Yassop said Shanks was not going to fight. I'm guessing Shanks' ability had something to do with parting the sky.
Also, Ben Beckman uses a gun, however, he outranks the greatest sniper in the world, Yassop. Why? Because he uses more then his gun in battle. Just like shanks and Mihawk, he may hold a sword, but does he use it primarily?
In a nutshell, I don't think shanks' main ability is swordsmanship.
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We don't even know if Mihawk delevoped some kind of SPIRIT after sparring with Shanks, or who knows, after being around Gol D. Roger for a while, even tough that would be biased, assuming that Buggy doesn't know crap about the SPIRIT of Piratecy…
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For those who think that Mihawk is stronger then shanks because Mihawk is the best swordsman and shanks uses a sword, clearly Shanks has more of an ability then that. When he walks on to white beards boat he knocks people out with his spirit. The ability to knock people with your spirit can not be gained by being a master swordsman, for if it could Mihawk would be able to do it,as he is the best, and he can't. Also the ability has nothing to do with swords so I have no idea how you could gain it with sword practice.
Taking that into account, one can assume he uses more then swordsmanship in battle. If he uses more then swordsmanship in battle, that could be why he isn't the strongest swordsman, swordsmanship isn't his ability. All he's done, with a sword, is clash with white beard, which parted the sky. I can't be sure, but I think even at their strength just clashing swords can't part the sky. Especially since they weren't using full strength, Yassop said Shanks was not going to fight. I'm guessing Shanks' ability had something to do with parting the sky.
Also, Ben Beckman uses a gun, however, he outranks the greatest sniper in the world, Yassop. Why? Because he uses more then his gun in battle. Just like shanks and Mihawk, he may hold a sword, but does he use it primarily?
In a nutshell, I don't think shanks' main ability is swordsmanship.
shanks spirit didn't effect the higher up members of the crew every1 in the 1st division wasn't effected and neither was WB. So even if he does use that spirit think when it comes to the elite pirates it doesn't work on them
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yeah, but that's probably not all there is to the power.
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i wonder who has the title of the greatest fighter in the world.
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For those who think that Mihawk is stronger then shanks because Mihawk is the best swordsman and shanks uses a sword, clearly Shanks has more of an ability then that. When he walks on to white beards boat he knocks people out with his spirit. The ability to knock people with your spirit can not be gained by being a master swordsman, for if it could Mihawk would be able to do it,as he is the best, and he can't. Also the ability has nothing to do with swords so I have no idea how you could gain it with sword practice.
Taking that into account, one can assume he uses more then swordsmanship in battle. If he uses more then swordsmanship in battle, that could be why he isn't the strongest swordsman, swordsmanship isn't his ability. All he's done, with a sword, is clash with white beard, which parted the sky. I can't be sure, but I think even at their strength just clashing swords can't part the sky. Especially since they weren't using full strength, Yassop said Shanks was not going to fight. I'm guessing Shanks' ability had something to do with parting the sky.
Also, Ben Beckman uses a gun, however, he outranks the greatest sniper in the world, Yassop. Why? Because he uses more then his gun in battle. Just like shanks and Mihawk, he may hold a sword, but does he use it primarily?
In a nutshell, I don't think shanks' main ability is swordsmanship.
Any strong fighter/pirate can use his spirit to knock out people. Just because Mihawk hasn't been shown to use his spirit doesn't mean he doesn't know how to do it, heck its like saying WB doesn't know how to use his spirit since he also hasn't been shown using it. Heck mihawk travels the Grand Line on a small raft, thats gotta say something about his strenght and possibly his spirit to keep away any sea kings.
And for the clouds parting the sky, yes its true that Yassop said that shanks wasn't going to fight, and the clash of their weapons wasn't necessary a fight, it was more like an arguement but between pirates. And when shank's crew saw the clouds part they thought that a war was going to happen. And I'm sure it wasn't because of shanks' "other powers" that made the clouds split, because after their weapons clashed it automatically swtiched over to the clouds meaning that it was caused from their weapons.
It hasn't been proven that Ben Beckman's weapon is a gun. A gun is more of like a common weapon among pirates so its common for pirates to be carrying guns. And as to why I think shanks is a master swordsmen is because when shanks was arguing with WB, if i remember correctly shanks was the one who pulled his weapon first, now if he was not a master swordsmen and had another power, why didn't he use that? It wouldn't really matter what type of attack he chose to use against WB since the result would've been the same. But he chose to use his sword.
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i wonder who has the title of the greatest fighter in the world.
Chuck Norris.
Nah, probably Garp. He DID corner Roger after all, or it could be WB, since "Strongest Man" could also mean "Greatest Fighter."
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Chuck Norris.
Nah, probably Garp. He DID corner Roger after all, or it could be WB, since "Strongest Man" could also mean "Greatest Fighter."
Too bad this thread is called Strongest Pirate
Some people say that the every heartbeat us the sound of god, kicking an angel, in the face.
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Also, Ben Beckman uses a gun, however, he outranks the greatest sniper in the world, Yassop.
I think Van Auger could give Yassop a run for his money in the Sniping department.
Shanks and Mihawk were said to be rivals and I don't see what the two could rival each other in anything other than swordsmanship.
Also Shanks's whole spirit trick only worked on the nameless grunts on Whitebeard's ship. Marco and Josh were both unaffected.
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@Kitsune::
Too bad this thread is called Strongest Pirate
he was obviously talking about the Greatest Fighter…not Strongest Pirate >.>
If you would read an earlier post then you would understand.
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I know who his attack only hurt. I already replied to that. It's probably not the full extent of his ability.
Regardless of how good Vanauger is, Yassop is better at sniping then Ben
Sanji and Zoro are rivals and they have different fighting styles.
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he was obviously talking about the Greatest Fighter…not Strongest Pirate >.>
If you would read an earlier post then you would understand.
I know…..which is not what this thread is about.
AND he was commenting on someone who (I belive imo) was making a hypothetical question we were all supposed to know the answer to of Whitebeard. -
I'm pretty sure it wasn't hypothetical, and it was a statement, not a question.
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Sanji and Zoro are rivals and they have different fighting styles.
they aren't exactly real rivals. they're more like a competition to see who can beat more enemies than the other. while shanks and mihawk are real rivals, fighting each other all the time to surpass each other in skills - swordsmen skills.
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I'm pretty sure it wasn't hypothetical, and it was a statement, not a question.
Well >< w/e it still seemed to me to be a "Hey, duh! The guy who is, I dunno, the Greatest Fighter in the world? Who's that agai? Oh yeah! WHITEBEARD" kinda statement…....XD imo
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we know nothing of there rivalry and have never seen either on fight. No one can win this argument
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It's pretty obvious that Blackbeard is rearing up to be one the of the strongest pirates in the series. He hasn't competely gotten use to his devil fruit yet, but once he does, I believe whitebeard is going down.
As for now, Whitebeard might be the strongest, but I see other people being able to beat him in his condition, such as Mihawk and even Kuma. I'm guessing one of the other Yonkou or the unrevealed shichi is going to be damn strong. I'm looking forward to it. :) -
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@Kitsune::
Well >< w/e it still seemed to me to be a "Hey, duh! The guy who is, I dunno, the Greatest Fighter in the world? Who's that agai? Oh yeah! WHITEBEARD" kinda statement…....XD imo
Not what I said. If I meant to be condescending, I wouldn't have even mentioned Garp. I speculated. It depends on your definition of "Strength." Physical strength can be beaten by stategy, or "strength" of the mind, so WB isn't necessarily the best fighter in the world, just the strongest man.
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Not what I said. If I meant to be condescending, I wouldn't have even mentioned Garp. I speculated. It depends on your definition of "Strength." Physical strength can be beaten by stategy, or "strength" of the mind, so WB isn't necessarily the best fighter in the world, just the strongest man.
it makes no sense for you to believe that WB isn't the greatest figther when he is in turn the world strongest man. Him being the worlds strongest man pertain to weightlifting would be ridiclous to think that. Its has no relation to physical strength it means fighting ability this is an anime since when has strength not been related to fighting.
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@MonkeyDMalcolm:
it makes no sense for you to believe that WB isn't the greatest figther when he is in turn the world strongest man.
It makes no sense to you. Makes perfect sense to me, though.
@MonkeyDMalcolm:
Him being the worlds strongest man pertain to weightlifting would be ridiclous to think that.
Funnily enough, I don't recall saying that.
@MonkeyDMalcolm:
Its has no relation to physical strength it means fighting ability this is an anime since when has strength not been related to fighting.
Quotes or it never happened. You're forgetting that Oda isn't your typical mangaka. For instance, he likes to back up powerups with evidence instead of saying that it's part of their blood or a wizard did it. He may very well have a better fighter than Whitebeard waiting in the wings just because to him "strength" and "Fighting ability" are not interchangeable terms.
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Physically Strongest…
Whitebeard, Shanks, Mihawk are all very high ranking super-strong characters. So its most likely one of those three. However it wouldn't surprise me if Luffy or Zoro eventually overpowers them in the strength category.
VA Garp however, during his prime, would most likely be the most Physically Strongest Character in One Piece history. Garp's prime however, was probably 30 some years before the current story.
Though its stated that Gold Roger was the strongest pirate, his might was rivaled by Whitebeard, and apparently Garp due to being captured by him. It seems that any character with "D." has the potential to take the strongest.
Theres always room for more, but as of now, here are my bets. Top Three in each section:
Classic Strongest: Garp, Gold Roger, Whitebeard
Currently Strongest: Whitebeard, Shanks, Mihawk
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It makes no sense to you. Makes perfect sense to me, though.
Funnily enough, I don't recall saying that.
Quotes or it never happened. You're forgetting that Oda isn't your typical mangaka. For instance, he likes to back up powerups with evidence instead of saying that it's part of their blood or a wizard did it. He may very well have a better fighter than Whitebeard waiting in the wings just because to him "strength" and "Fighting ability" are not interchangeable terms.
Physical strength = weightlifthing IMHO how else do you gage physical strength
It doesn't matter how different Oda is Strength in this sense means fighting ability. Could they;re be some1 stronger than WB prob has they been revealed no so its all speculation in your part. Im very strong physically so im one of the best pirates in the world in a world where physical strength doesn't matter
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@MonkeyDMalcolm:
Physical strength = weightlifthing IMHO how else do you gage physical strength
It doesn't matter how different Oda is Strength in this sense means fighting ability. Could they;re be some1 stronger than WB prob has they been revealed no so its all speculation in your part. Im very strong physically so im one of the best pirates in the world in a world where physical strength doesn't matter
At this point I can already see that there is no point in arguing with you as you will no doubt continue to put words in my mouth and push your opinion and speculation on me as fact while suggesting that I do the same even though I have not used any words to suggest such a thing. And seriously, where the heck did this weightlifting crap come from? I don't remember saying anything about Whitebeard being able to bench press anyone else into oblivion. I never claimed to know how Oda's mind works. I just said he's not what you usually get.
In closing, please stop attacking me for having an opinion.
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At this point I can already see that there is no point in arguing with you as you will no doubt continue to put words in my mouth and push your opinion and speculation on me as fact while suggesting that I do the same even though I have not used any words to suggest such a thing. And seriously, where the heck did this weightlifting crap come from? I don't remember saying anything about Whitebeard being able to bench press anyone else into oblivion. I never claimed to know how Oda's mind works. I just said he's not what you usually get.
In closing, please stop attacking me for having an opinion.
didn't attack you i said what i thought physical strength was. I never claimed that u said how oda minds work never twisted your words so relax. Since WB is the Worlds strongest man but u don't consider him the best figther just really strong physically so how would u view mihawk the worlds strongest swordsman?
In closing its absurd for ppl to not consider WB as the worlds strongest man in terms of fighting ability and then consider Mihawk the worlds strongest swordsman in terms of fighting ability. So basically its safe to assume that strongest is fighting ability when it comes to WB and Mihawk not that they're physically strong.
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@MonkeyDMalcolm:
WB is the strongest to go agaisnt what is side in the manga is ridiclous.
And here you are again. I give up. One more attempt to tell me I'm wrong because I don't agree with you and you'll have the honor of being the first person ever to get put on any ignore list by me.
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Once again, if it was raw strength…..Dorry and Broggy win hands down XP so it's obviously best fighter that WB is...
@Kitsune::
I know…..which is not what this thread is about.
AND he was commenting on someone who (I belive imo) was making a hypothetical question we were all supposed to know the answer to of Whitebeard.Not what I said. If I meant to be condescending, I wouldn't have even mentioned Garp. I speculated. It depends on your definition of "Strength." Physical strength can be beaten by stategy, or "strength" of the mind, so WB isn't necessarily the best fighter in the world, just the strongest man.
Ugh >< This whole time I've been refering the post that you COMMENTED ON, not you post to be condescending a bit if you must put it that way ><
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@Sogeking:
Physically Strongest…
Though its stated that Gold Roger was the strongest pirate, his might was rivaled by Whitebeard, and apparently Garp due to being captured by him.
correction, Garp never caught Roger, just cornered him many times. And why are you bring up Garp? He's not a pirate, but a marine.
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can we just agree to change this to Strongest Person?
if Garp was so strong, in his prime, why wasn't he an admiral? maybe you need to be a good strategist… and Garp wasn't.
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do we know he wasn't an admiral back then? maybe he got demoted?
I mean he is called "Garp the fist" but he got this dog theme going for him, which suggests he might have been the akinu admiral (unless im totally off here and the title is not "red dog"….)
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@Kitsune::
Once again, if it was raw strength…..Dorry and Broggy win hands down XP so it's obviously best fighter that WB is...
Keep in mind, we don't know for sure how Oda meant that caption he gave Whitebeard. Can we take it as a direct statement from the auther, Oda, about who is the strongest? Or was it just showing the title Whitebeard had earned in the World of One piece, a title that may not be accurate?
If it's the latter, than Dorry and Broggy can't really be counted, because they've been stuck on an island for the past 100 years and most people don't even know they are alive.
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@Tyki:
if i remember correctly shanks was the one who pulled his weapon first, now if he was not a master swordsmen and had another power, why didn't he use that? It wouldn't really matter what type of attack he chose to use against WB since the result would've been the same. But he chose to use his sword.
He choose to use sword because it look cooler than sending a god damn Ultraman dead beam to WB.
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can we just agree to change this to Strongest Person?
if Garp was so strong, in his prime, why wasn't he an admiral? maybe you need to be a good strategist… and Garp wasn't.
Because WG know he have a most wanted criminal son… i guess.
conflict of interest!
I don't see Smoker weaker than those Buster Call's Vice Admirals.
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Keep in mind, we don't know for sure how Oda meant that caption he gave Whitebeard. Can we take it as a direct statement from the auther, Oda, about who is the strongest? Or was it just showing the title Whitebeard had earned in the World of One piece, a title that may not be accurate?
Yes! I'm glad someone said this! I agree with the part that is in bold. And I'm sure that part is the correct statement.
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Whitebeard is the strongest.
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judging by the fact that they called him newCART, we have no idea how valid the trans is.
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Well.. First of all, i do agree that WB is also physically the strongest (he looks it anyway).
But
Oda mentioned that Aokiji is the strongest marine. But I don't think he can throw cannonballs like Garp can. So.. I think by "strongest", Oda really means it in terms of "fighting ability".
And yeah, while we're on this, why are so many people saying that Garp is the strongest?? I mean, Aokiji is already stated to be the strongest in the Marine HQ a little more than a hundred chapters ago. So that already eliminates Garp.
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http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-2/volume25.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=19872
I don't know what that's supposed to prove.
http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-2/volume15.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=22492
No where in Mr. 11's box isn't exactly accurate anymore now that there's a a bullet in his head. No offense meant, but that title of Whitebeard isnt' a guarantee.
Frankly, I think that Blackbeard will end up being a stronger pirate then Whitebeard. All signs point to Whitebeard being strong, but ultimately heading for his end.
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I don't know what that's supposed to prove.
He is the Strongest Pirate, Thats what it proves.
No where in Mr. 11's box isn't exactly accurate anymore now that there's a a bullet in his head. No offense meant, but that title of Whitebeard isnt' a guarantee.
Well I don't see a bullet in Whitebeard's head, I never saw anyone take his title.
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Jinbei… thats the exact same translation...
Onemoment: so you are saying that WB might have lost his title since chapter 234 (at which point it was accurate?)? just who exactly has becmoe stronger that we know of? BB ate the fruit before 234 afaik.
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Oh, my fault.
judging by the fact that they called him newCART, we have no idea how valid the trans is.
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Whitebeard: Now leave.
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http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter234.txt
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The title of whitebeard being the strongest man is just something that people have come to accept because in the past he was the only one who could match roger - meaning its not accurate. Oda, himself, isn't saying the WB is the strongest but more like WB being the strongest because the characters in OP have come to believen that. But now, now there are many candidates who can rival whitebeard in power, its just that they haven't gotten the chance to challenge him yet.
But
Oda mentioned that Aokiji is the strongest marine. But I don't think he can throw cannonballs like Garp can. So.. I think by "strongest", Oda really means it in terms of "fighting ability".
And yeah, while we're on this, why are so many people saying that Garp is the strongest?? I mean, Aokiji is already stated to be the strongest in the Marine HQ a little more than a hundred chapters ago. So that already eliminates Garp.
why do people keep mentioning the marines? lol
this is not the "Strongest Marine" thread. And besides, Aokiji isn't the strongest marine, Sengoku is. Aokiji is just one of the 3 strongest fighters below Sengoku. -
@Tyki:
The title of whitebeard being the strongest man is just something that people have come to accept because in the past he was the only one who could match roger - meaning its not accurate. Oda, himself, isn't saying the WB is the strongest but more like WB being the strongest because the characters in OP have come to believen that. But now, now there are many candidates who can rival whitebeard in power, its just that they haven't gotten the chance to challenge him yet.
So what is Oda saying then? Clearly we see in the small boxes Oda has given Whitebeard the title of the strongest. Buggy even confirmed Whitebeard being the most powerful pirate. This brings back memories of how certain people use to not take Luffy's words serious about more powerful monsters on the seas than Ener, but Oda sure did back Luffy's words up in the SBS.
I am sure if you were to ask Oda who is the strongest pirate right now, no doubt he would say Whitebeard is.
And besides, Aokiji isn't the strongest marine, Sengoku is. Aokiji is just one of the 3 strongest fighters below Sengoku.
And yes it was stated that Aokiji is the Marine's strongest.
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@Tyki:
The title of whitebeard being the strongest man is just something that people have come to accept because in the past he was the only one who could match roger - meaning its not accurate. Oda, himself, isn't saying the WB is the strongest but more like WB being the strongest because the characters in OP have come to believen that. But now, now there are many candidates who can rival whitebeard in power, its just that they haven't gotten the chance to challenge him yet.
This is so wrong, if it was right Whitebeard would not be the closest one to finding One Piece, what do you mean by "just that they haven't gotten the chance to challenge him yet." Shanks is on Whitebeard ship, fighting him. There are other Yonkou in the New World who are trying to get One Piece also.
Whitebeard is the Strongest Pitate until someone puts a bullet in his head.
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Whitebeard… sigh.
Shanks right below him.
Then Blackbeard, Mihawk, other two Yonkou, Ace...
Then the rest of the Shichibukai whose asses Luffy hasn't kicked yet (hey, they ARE pirates).
Then Luffy.
Then the Shichibukai whose asses Luffy HAS kicked.
Then Zoro.
Yay. :D
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And I always thought post counts were the e-penis in online forums. Guess that in manga forums strenght level discussions seem to take that role.
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And I always thought post counts were the e-penis in online forums. Guess that in manga forums strenght level discussions seem to take that role.
If only someone could say "I think Luffy is totally the strongest", another say "I don't think so, I think Shanks could pwn his sorry ass ;D"… and the first reply "That's cool, we both have different opinions, yay diversity :D" and have it end there. D:
Instead we all end up coming to the conclusion that our opinion = ABSOLUTE TRUTH and fight to the death for 47 pages proving that Nami would kick Robin's ass in a fanservice battle… e_e;
I'm a lurker. I don't really post much. So… I'm not really sure what to put as my signature.
