General 'Four Emperors' Discussion

General Yonkou thread…

Just putting somethings out for discussion

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It's interesting that Garp chose the word "influential" in describing their power. Look at Whitebeard and how he perceives his crew; the "wrath of Whitebeard" with anyone who wrongs anyone of his crew will receive the consequences. Which pirate wouldn't want that protective feel? And Shanks seems to express a similar vibe. It makes me wonder how the other Yonkou are to be like.

I wonder about other things concerning the last two yonkou as well (I do believe another will be revealed soon considering the Strawhat's status now), I wonder about Oda research. I am grateful for this forum because references such as Olivier Levasseur (ties with Gol D. Roger's final words), Davy Jones, Edward Teach, and other scattered name meanings have been presented thanks to the researchers here.

I look at "Red Hair" Shanks and see Eric the Red. Considering Oda's primary instigation for creating the One Piece world was from vikings, I can see how Shanks (possibly built from viking suggestions) is the most influential character to Luffy. Though I can't find a picture of the "Red Hair" ship, from the time I last saw it, it reminds me of the viking themed boats. And another thing to point out was how Eric the Red did touch down on the New World (the 2nd half of the Grandline in One Piece terms, the Americas in history), but if my memory serves me right, it was near the north-north-east coast of North America; Canada somewhere.

With Whitebeard, I feel that was mostly built along with Blackbeard. Most of the fandom knows that Oda split the historical pirate name (Edward Teach) to provide for the names Edward Newgate and for Marshal D. Teach. And throughout the story, roughly since their debuts, Blackbeard has been a particular challenge for Whitebeard (defeating 2 of his 4 officials).

It is Oda's story, so these character inspirations are subjective to him. Yet I wonder if popular seafaring icons such as Sinbad or Odysseus will be apart of it all.

I think he is well aware of Sinbad just from this one snippet of info from a Romance Dawn edition

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Roc. Or rukh. A large bird with talons said to carry away elephants as prey. I can see how Oda reached the idea of it being confused for an ostrich, but it's not about that. The roc is a great bird in one of the 7 voyage stories of Sinbad. The Ryuuma incident pops up in my head when thinking of this.

Though Sinbad isn't historically precise as much as other pirate inspired characters, there is Aruj, later to known as Barbarossa (lit. Redbeard in Italian) and his brother as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aruj
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayreddin_Barbarossa
That Barbarossa name should sound familiar not because of Pirates of the Caribbean, but of the Alabasta filler character:

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I know Oda won't use a filler character. Reading on the Barbarossa brothers' biographies, I would like to see how Oda would play with this.

As for Odysseus, I didn't anything that can allude to him being in it. Both Sinbad and Odysseus were very cunning as some of the more higher-food-chain pirates in One Piece are. They could be any of the two pirates up there next to Shanks and Whitebeard. It could be Kaidou, one who beat Moria in the New World. It could be…

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…one of them.

Discuss?

P.S. - Do you think we will see who trained Ace and Luffy considering Ace's defeat?

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Most likely a Marine, no?

Mugiwara No Hermy

Kizaru or "Yellow Monkey" as he's called, trained Monkey D. Luffy cuz they're both Monkeys!

Nah, probably not.

That Kaidou character is most likely one of the Yonkou. I think I can say that, even though it's not been confirmed. I mean, Moria is a pretty strong Shichibukai and the only ones that I could think of to be stronger then a Shichibukai, except maybe Luffy, is a Yonkou. He's hanging around in the New World too.

Gaiyae

Maybe not completely on-topic

About the whole sinbad thing.. I think Oda was inspired by that alot..
The whole traveling the seas , gaining new crewmembers with there own unique ability's etc. Maybe the "baron of munchausen" to, OP shares some similarity's with that as well. And Munchausen is quite a well know europian myth tale.

vlad Dracul

@ P.S.:

that could be Dadan

Jinbei

@Mugiwara:

Kizaru or "Yellow Monkey" as he's called, trained Monkey D. Luffy cuz they're both Monkeys!

Nah, probably not.

That Kaidou character is most likely one of the Yonkou. I think I can say that, even though it's not been confirmed. I mean, Moria is a pretty strong Shichibukai and the only ones that I could think of to be stronger then a Shichibukai, except maybe Luffy, is a Yonkou. He's hanging around in the New World too.

I agree, we know that the Yonkou are looking for One Piece in the New World & that it could not be one of the Admirals, due to the fact that we know there names.

Lobolover

AND weve seen the images of 2 plus silhoutes of the yonkou,so we know they dont match.

but on a sidenote-ever wonder how much more we know then the main characters?

Gorlom

@Lobolover:

AND weve seen the images of 2 plus silhoutes of the yonkou,so we know they dont match.

but on a sidenote-ever wonder how much more we know then the main characters?

What were you saying there? That admirals cant be one of the yonkou?
Or that Kaidou cant be an admiral or yonkou? Cant make heads or tails out of this since we never saw Kaidous siluette.

What do you mean by "wonder what we know more then the SHs"?:wassat: Anything that happens when they aren't along is something we know that they don't. Like Luffys bounty after Alabasta during Jaya. Buggy landing on that island (where he was looking for Sluggish capt Johns treasure). Shanks and Whitebeard meeting. Ace getting his ass pummled. etc.

They still know alot of things we don't though. (well robin knows atleast)

Jinbei

@Lobolover:

AND weve seen the images of 2 plus silhoutes of the yonkou,so we know they dont match.

but on a sidenote-ever wonder how much more we know then the main characters?

Huh? I don't understand what your getting at?

Vash The Stampede

is anyone else ever amazed at how little the SH's know about their world? you'd think the identities of the shichibukai would be common knowledge in the four blues, but so far they never knew about jinbei, crocodile or moria (apart from robin, but she was WITH one of the shichibukai), nor do they ever seem to want to research anything. They could probably find out about all the shichibukai and their powers if they bothered.

At gorlom: he meant that the pirates in the last picture he showed us cant be any of the yonkou, since the silhoutes dont match, kaidou coud very well still be one of them. personally I think its the ridiculous face looking silhoutte. It would just fit that moria and him would be enemies, the most ridiculous faces the one piece world can offer (apart from maybe wanze, and no lola is not ridiculous, she is her own class of weird)

Additionally, I dont think the otherr yonkou are like shanks or whitebeard with how they treat their crew, I think they will be more like Buggy's and Alvida's style of leadership. dont care much, but then agai, the whole crew is "evil"

Gorlom

lobo should either quote someone or learn to be more coherent in his posts. (cant find anything in the original post that those pirates were supposed to be yonkou.. as far as i can tell he was discussing Sinbad and Odysseus possibly beeing either the yonkou, kaidou or those pirates in the picture?)

Vash: Its not that surprising the strawhats know nothing about what happens on the GL. Back in the eastblue saga the GL was refered to as the pirate graveyard. Noone returns once they enter and all that mumbojumbo that makes it seem more mystical and magical.
Zeff is the only person they know to have returned from the GL unharmed. (Kreig returned but he was hardly unarmed =P)

Robin on the other hand has already traveled in the GL for some time (atleast 2 years) so she has atleast some bit of knowledge about what is going on. Franky might know some things as well, depending on how focused he was on becomeing a stationary shipwright at W7.

Lobolover

I reacted to "that it could not be one of the Admirals, due to the fact that we know there names".

Jinbei

@Lobolover:

I reacted to "that it could not be one of the Admirals, due to the fact that we know there names".

He can't be one of the 3 Admirals due to that, & the fact that the Admirals cant attack the Seven Armed Sea.

Gorlom

@Lobolover:

I reacted to "that it could not be one of the Admirals, due to the fact that we know there names".

So you reacted to that sentance with the following?

AND weve seen the images of 2 plus silhoutes of the yonkou,so we know they dont match.

Lobo I still have no idea what you are trying to say. Which siluettes don't match?

(btw: what is the real name of the Yellow monkey Admiral? I only know that Aokijis real name is Kuzan and that Akinu is really Sakazuki.)

Lobolover

The silhouetes of the admirals with those of the yonkou.

Gorlom

Ok, I think you somehow read Jinbeis post wrong. Because I don't think anyone is contemplateing the possibility that a marine admiral can be one of the yonkou at the same time.

It just wouldn't make sense at all haveing one individual be part of 2 completly oposite sides. And as an admiral and emperor he would be too well known to pull off any double play.

Jinbei was talking about the possibility of Jinbei beeing either a Admiral or Yonkou. Not beeing both at the same time.

Lobolover

I know and I dont think its likely,but ever think of,I dunno,how Mr. 2 could pose as 2 completely different people from oposite sides?It would be a briliant plan,as a marine he could just get asigned to capture himself and hed thusly never get caught.

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Gorlom

So… you just completly crushed your own argument about their siluettes not matching up?

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Jimbei the fishman is really Akinu! He just assumed 2… er 3 names to be able to play both sides!

and Kizaru is really Dragon.

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CLERICSHADOW

What people don't understand is that there isn't just 4 pirate groups in the new world…the new world probably has MANY of POWERFUL pirate groups in the new world since its the whole second half of the grandline..so Kaidou might possibly be just a very strong pirate in the new world...but hey who knows...I'm just saying theres more then 4 pirate crews on the second half of the grandline and not every pirate that's gonna be mentioned on the second half is automaticly a Yonkou..

Lobolover

No,I never meant it seriously.Mr. 2 could "technicaly" do it,but hes neither as strong as hed need be,plus,originals stil have to exist for him to "copy" for all we know.

Kitsune9-TailedBeast

@Lobolover:

No,I never meant it seriously.Mr. 2 could "technicaly" do it,but hes neither as strong as hed need be,plus,originals stil have to exist for him to "copy" for all we know.

What is he Kuroro? Due to the style of the organization he was part of, a bunch of those random faces he showed The Straw Hat Crew were probably people assassinated by him.

Lobolover

I dont understand what your asking about.

Gorlom

@CLERICSHADOW:

What people don't understand is that there isn't just 4 pirate groups in the new world…the new world probably has MANY of POWERFUL pirate groups in the new world since its the whole second half of the grandline..so Kaidou might possibly be just a very strong pirate in the new world...but hey who knows...I'm just saying theres more then 4 pirate crews on the second half of the grandline and not every pirate that's gonna be mentioned on the second half is automaticly a Yonkou..

I agree with you Clerics but I think people are discussing the posibility of two people beeing one of the same. I haven't seen anyone saying "he/she must be a yonkou". People are merely trying to match a name to a face. but noone is really ruleing out that he might be someone completly different.

Lobolover: sigh :getlost:

Lobolover

Cant you people take a joke?I mean Carter jokes about homosexuality and no ones does a "sigh" on him.

Kitsune9-TailedBeast

I'm lost now…..Sixteen dead ends

Gorlom

It's not the Mr. 2 part im sigh-ing at.

Lobolover

then witch if you would be so nice to enlighten us with the aparations of your holly mind?

@Gaiyae:

About the whole sinbad thing.. I think Oda was inspired by that alot..
The whole traveling the seas , gaining new crewmembers with there own unique ability's etc. Maybe the "baron of munchausen" to, OP shares some similarity's with that as well. And Munchausen is quite a well know europian myth tale.

Several pirate stories overlap each other because of the lore of the story. The whole idea of crazy beasts abroad the seas and mythical powers in odd lands and forbidden treasures: it's all apart of thrill of the open sea (the voyage through the unknown). It's a powerful myth deeply rooted in many cultures. He could have been just as much inspired by Sinbad, the Odyssey, the "Baron of Munchausen" (yet to hear of that, I'll wiki it) as much as the viking anime he watched when he was small.

Even Journey to the West could have played its part. I read somewhere (I forgot now) how the Strawhat's journey somewhat resembles a journey to the west.
1. finds Zoro, a swordsman "Mr. Bushido", Asian
2. Drum Island stuff, winter, Russia
3. Alabasta, Egypt
4. Water 7, Venice / France
5. Florian Triangle, spooky themed, Bermuda Triangle

@Vash:

is anyone else ever amazed at how little the SH's know about their world?
Additionally, I don't think the other yonkou are like shanks or whitebeard with how they treat their crew, I think they will be more like Buggy's and Alvida's style of leadership. Don't care much, but then again, the whole crew is "evil"

But these are also some of the weaker crews with fragmented crews. Then again, Perona didn't hesitate much to flee from Moria.

@Gorlom:

…he was discussing Sinbad and Odysseus possibly being either the yonkou...

Not really them being the yonkou, more like beingr alluded to.

Robin on the other hand has already traveled in the GL for some time (atleast 2 years) so she has atleast some bit of knowledge about what is going on. Franky might know some things as well, depending on how focused he was on becomeing a stationary shipwright at W7.

I think if Brook is added to the crew, he would likewise provide knowledge. He has had a crew (not like how Nami and Robin have had) and has been around for 50 years.

I do wonder when the Strawhats will begin traveling outside of the direct order of islands given by the Log Pose. Will they come across an Eternal Pose? I say this due to how freely we see people like Ace, Shanks, Blackbeard, or Kuma move over the seas. Brooke can only get back to Laboon from steering off course.

Gorlom

eh, Yoruba: I'm pretty sure he has been lost in that triangle for the majority of those 50 years.
His crew were presumed lost 2 years (or so) after departure if I recall correctly. He couldn't leave the triangle after he died and ressurected due to a broken rudder. Then all of a sudden he came across TB and embarked in hopes of beeing able to repair his rudder.

Kitsune9-TailedBeast

Wait, lobolover, what were you confused about?

@CLERICSHADOW:

I'm just saying theres more then 4 pirate crews on the second half of the grandline and not every pirate that's gonna be mentioned on the second half is automaticly a Yonkou..

True. For me, what I get from a Shichibukia losing to someone in the New World gives a suggestion that it is a Yonkou. You are right, the idea of other pirates being in the New World other than the 3 powers doesn't come up often that's because we (the readers) haven't been given much to talk about such things.

@Gorlom:

eh, Yoruba: I'm pretty sure he has been lost in that triangle for the majority of those 50 years.

Hehe, thanks for the correction on that. 45 years in the grandline, hehehe, silly me

Vash The Stampede

@yoruba:

But these are also some of the weaker crews with fragmented crews. Then again, Perona didn't hesitate much to flee from Moria.

I'm just saying, these pirates are th governments most wanted, they can't al be sort of utilitarian anarchists like shanks or luffy, there must be some really nasty guys out there too, which is why I think the other yonkou will reflect buggy's STYLE a bit more, I'm not saying they are just like Buggy's crew

CLERICSHADOW

Post number 30..why does it say Gorlom posted that first quote..I DID Gorlom your stealing my fire tonight you basterd!!! Raises old man fist

Gorlom

@CLERICSHADOW:

Post number 30..why does it say Gorlom posted that first quote..I DID Gorlom your stealing my fire tonight you basterd!!! Raises old man fist

I was wondering about that one too. I'm trying to find if I'v posted something similar to that quote in some other thread or why he edited it like that…
But reading your post again: it really is your post edited to look like mine.. =S

CLERICSHADOW

@Gorlom:

I was wondering about that one too. I'm trying to find if I'v posted something similar to that quote in some other thread or why he edited it like that…
But reading your post again: it really is your post edited to look like mine.. =S

shoots rainbow mist filler arc cannon at Gorlom

Mugiwara No Hermy

@CLERICSHADOW:

What people don't understand is that there isn't just 4 pirate groups in the new world…the new world probably has MANY of POWERFUL pirate groups in the new world since its the whole second half of the grandline..so Kaidou might possibly be just a very strong pirate in the new world...but hey who knows...I'm just saying theres more then 4 pirate crews on the second half of the grandline and not every pirate that's gonna be mentioned on the second half is automaticly a Yonkou..

Yes, but there's a high probability that this Kaidou character might be a Yonkou. The 4 Emperor's are in fact, the most powerful pirates in the New World and we already know Kaidou's stronger then Moria, a pretty powerful Shichibukai. Kaidou is someone very powerful. It makes the most sense in him being a Yonkou, for me at least.

Also. That Kizaru thing was a joke. It would be kinda fun I guess, if he trained Luffy and maybe Ace. But it would be cooler if he actually turns out to be a future opponent for Luffy, both of them being monkeys and all.

A lot of confusion in this thread too.

@Vash:

I'm just saying, these pirates are th governments most wanted, they can't al be sort of utilitarian anarchists like shanks or luffy, there must be some really nasty guys out there too, which is why I think the other yonkou will reflect buggy's STYLE a bit more, I'm not saying they are just like Buggy's crew

Yea, I got 'ya. The word "influential" caught my eye when I was re-reading that chapter so I was thinking how being around these people evokes something in pirates. People like Ace could have probably made a sufficient run for Pirate King himself, yet he rather support Whitebeard's campaign instead. It tells about Whitebeard's character (not only in terms of strength level) as much as Ace's.

It's odd, but for most of the pirate antagonists we've been introduced to, few proclaim the hunt for One Piece. I think more thought-provoking motives will come from meeting the pirates of the New World. They are closer to the finish line and so are probably more compelled by it than from the pirates introduced thus far.

I think the mindset in the New World is much different than the first half. The first half is almost like a dash, and the second is like an easter egg hunt. I look at Shanks and think, he has nothing better to do than go ask Whitebeard to "let me have Blackbeard" for scars he's had ever since he left Luffy his strawhat?

@CLERICSHADOW:

Post number 30..why does it say Gorlom posted that first quote..I DID

oops…. fixed

Jinbei

@Mugiwara:

Yes, but there's a high probability that this Kaidou character might be a Yonkou. The 4 Emperor's are in fact, the most powerful pirates in the New World and we already know Kaidou's stronger then Moria, a pretty powerful Shichibukai. Kaidou is someone very powerful. It makes the most sense in him being a Yonkou, for me at least.

You said every thing I was about to. Good Show.

Kaidou

When luffy enter the new world, I think luffy will suddenly run into kaidou a Yonkou and they will get into a fight.
If luffy defeat kaidou is the loser still a yonkou or will they lose there title. And the winner will become the new yonkou.
If strawhat become the new yonkou how will the world government and world know a yonkou been replace. Will the world government even release the information that the strawhats become a yonkou
Yonkou r the closet to becoming the pirate king and is luffy dream is to become a pirate king, isn;t it natural that luffy will become a yonkou.
Won't becoming the yonkou help him achieve his dream.
Isn't it enivtable for people who aiming to become pirate, have to fight a Yonkou, aiming to become the pirate also mean aimming to become the strongest in the world. To achieve this dream mean fighting strong oppnoent like the yonkou and the current strongest whitebeard.

Kitsune9-TailedBeast

I've seen double posting a post, but never double posting an entire thread :getlost:
And a useless one at that.

Md-Martin

well first off if luffy would become a yonkou they would need to change the title cause yonkou meens FOUR EMPERORS and a yonkou is not an organization its the name for the only 4 pirates in the new world.

Kitsune9-TailedBeast

@mdmartin101:

well first off if luffy would become a yonkou they would need to change the title cause yonkou meens FOUR EMPERORS and a yonkou is not an organization its the name for the only 4 pirates in the new world.

No, he's saying if he BEATS one, he takes his place to become one ><

cp9luchi

Luffy will reffer himself as the Gokou like he said he was the hachibukai in Alabasta

Ivotas

The way as it appears, the Yonkoh seem to have their own territories. Not only because Garp said that they rule like emperors in these seas but also because both Rockstar and Shanks knew where to find Whitebeard aswell as Mihawk being able to track down Shanks. Also there´s that thing that Whitebeard still didn´t find One Piece so far so it´s not that unlikely that they have their own regions they claim for themselves.

And seeing how Luffy is constantly seeking new adventures he´s not the type that cares much about claiming a certain place under his rule. He comes, wins and leaves again. No need for making him a Yonkoh. He´s going to be Pirate King anyway.

However it´s still odd that the WG didn´t consider making Luffy himself a Shichibukai. I mean ok, he proved times and again to defy the WG especially the flag burning thing at Enies Lobby, but guys like Kuma, Moria and Doflamingo also must have done some outrageous things to have such high bounties and yet someone must have approached them to offer them positions as Shichibukai. I doubt that they offered their services themselves. I mean a good politician should at least have considered this possibility so why did the Gorosei not so far?

STAREYe

Err, the yonkou aren't appointed positions, are they? I thought it was just a title for four pirates in the new world that were so strong that they're pretty much the ultimate power in the place.

Mister_Anbu

The Shichibukai are probably pirates that got knocked back from the New World and couldn't find a place for themselves over there.

They more than likely offered the services themselves to gain immunity from the marines, in order to attain enough power to make another voyage into the new world. Having to constantly fight off marines would only be a nuisance.

Blackbeard himself offered to be a Shichibukai, therefore I think it is feasible to conclude they probably do offer themselves for that position.

skarlath

Something that MIGHT happen if Luffy totally trashes a Yonkou, is that some crew members (or mercs in the New World) might try to join Luffy.

However, as Luffy will probably not accept them, and thus not gain enough of a fighting force to rule a territory, it is unlikely that Luffy will ever have the power (or more importantly prestige) to be like one of the Yonkou.

freedom

@Ivotas:

However it´s still odd that the WG didn´t consider making Luffy himself a Shichibukai. I mean ok, he proved times and again to defy the WG especially the flag burning thing at Enies Lobby, but guys like Kuma, Moria and Doflamingo also must have done some outrageous things to have such high bounties and yet someone must have approached them to offer them positions as Shichibukai. I doubt that they offered their services themselves. I mean a good politician should at least have considered this possibility so why did the Gorosei not so far?

This is actually one of the concerns I had with the way the WG is trying to deal with the SHP. They seem to still be taking them lightly. To the point where after they have taken down Crocodile, taken down EL, and now taken down Gecko Moria. One would expect the WG to plan out their next attack against the SHP. Yet, what we get is an order to destroy them? Perhaps they simply think that the SHP must be weaken from their battle with Moria and maybe this is a good opportunity. Nonetheless, I would have expected the WG to make an offer to the SHP by now. Or at least some talks about dealing with them as a serious threat.

King Kobra

Luffy will not give a damn. He will just kick the ass of anyone who gets in his way to One Piece.

Ivotas

@freedom:

This is actually one of the concerns I had with the way the WG is trying to deal with the SHP. They seem to still be taking them lightly. To the point where after they have taken down Crocodile, taken down EL, and now taken down Gecko Moria. One would expect the WG to plan out their next attack against the SHP. Yet, what we get is an order to destroy them? Perhaps they simply think that the SHP must be weaken from their battle with Moria and maybe this is a good opportunity. Nonetheless, I would have expected the WG to make an offer to the SHP by now. Or at least some talks about dealing with them as a serious threat.

Or it might also be the fact that Luffy is still undefeated right now. At least to the knowledge of the WG because I doubt that Kuzan would say he had the chance to crush them more then just once but didn´t do it.

You know, a pirate that didn´t get his rocks handed to him is far more reckless on his way to the top, which also means he couldn´t care less for privileges given by the WG.

Kaze

No… Just no. I mean He's not trying to become a yonkou, He's trying to become pirate king. He's not going to take out just one yonkou. I think He'll take out all four if oda is really a bad ass. which he is. :P So yeah, No.