New AP Theme = Fucking Badass
Chapter 474 "Gotta Do It" Discussion
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New AP Theme = Fucking Badass
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One of the small worries Iv'e had was that Oda would start carelessly wiping out Shichibukai like Kishimoto's been doing wih the Akatsuki in Naruto.
But Oda's clearly showing the weight and care of Shichibukai defeats with Kuma and Moria's conversation.Confirming what we already knew, Oda knows how to tell stories.
Same here, I think since Oda made the Shichibukai one of the three powers; he knows not to carelessly let all these guys get taken down so quickly. I mean we're almost halfway through the Grand Line, and only one of them was taken down. Also that hole was replaced so it's like they haven't lost anything .
I really like the whole checks and balances thing the three powers have going on. Things are always shaky between them so we can always wonder if anyone's doing anything behind the others' back. Kuma seems to acknowledge that Blackbeard is a wild card in all of this like he mentioned in the conversation with Moria.
We the readers know that Blackbeard's aim is to become Pirate King, but I don't think any characters know that outside of his crew. Kuma's probably thinking: since Blackbeard betrayed an Emperor; what's to stop him from betraying them as well?
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@Kidany:
We the readers know that Blackbeard's aim is to become Pirate King, but I don't think any characters know that outside of his crew. Kuma's probably thinking: since Blackbeard betrayed an Emperor; what's to stop him from betraying them as well?
That or Kuma thinks that somebody who´s already taken care of two Whitebeard Pirates Commanders is far stronger then necessary to maintain the balance of the Three Powers. Especially since it´s a former Whitebeard Pirate himself.
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That or Kuma thinks that somebody who´s already taken care of two Whitebeard Pirates Commanders is far stronger then necessary to maintain the balance of the Three Powers. Especially since it´s a former Whitebeard Pirate himself.
If that was the case, Kuma would be acting more fearful towards to situation. However, at this point he seems more cautious than anything. It's not that Blackbeard could be far too strong to handle, it's that he's not trustworthy.
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That or Kuma thinks that somebody who´s already taken care of two Whitebeard Pirates Commanders is far stronger then necessary to maintain the balance of the Three Powers. Especially since it´s a former Whitebeard Pirate himself.
Does the Goverment know that Blackbeard killed Sachi? He probably wasn't very known even though he was a commander if Blackbeard didn't get notice from the Goverment for killing Sachi. that'd be my guess.
You're idea is plausible too though; we'll find out later anyway, no big deal.
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If that was the case, Kuma would be acting more fearful towards to situation. However, at this point he seems more cautious than anything. It's not that Blackbeard could be far too strong to handle, it's that he's not trustworthy.
No need for Kuma to act more fearful towards the situation since the way he mentions it in front of Moria makes it seem that it is just a hunch he has but not something he can prove somehow.
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sry to interrupt your precious thoughts and feelings, but i´ve got to say that it´s gotten harder to read nonsense spreaded over pages with just white fonts on black background.
change it. now.
thanks for taking the time reading, have fun going on.
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sry to interrupt your precious thoughts and feelings, but i´ve got to say that it´s gotten harder to read nonsense spreaded over pages with just white fonts on black background.
change it. now.
thanks for taking the time reading, have fun going on.
Now good sir, if you will take the time to glance towards the bottom-left corner of the webpage, you will view the option to change the theme.
Change it. Now.
Thank you for taking the time to read this.
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wow. just wow. i can´t stop being amazed by how stupid i was / am.
thank you for telling me what to do. ( hey man i mean it, no hidden sarcasm or anything, just pure "thank you".
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Hey, everybody makes mistakes, don't worry about it.
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Little is really known on what the Shichibukai do and don't know about Blackbeard. All they know is that he defeated Ace (of which I don't know if they know he's a Whitebeard commander). And considering that Moria of their own group is still running around attempting to be Pirate King even while being a govt dog, its obvious that this is part of Blackbeard's ultimate plan: use their resources either to take the government apart from the inside or just get what he needs to direct him towards One Piece. Something tells me that they may actually have some valuable info if some of them went after Gol D. Rodger…and with Teach now one of them, he can get his grubby hands on it for himself to advance his own plans.
As for how Moria discovered them, there's one piece of the puzzle that is also needed: Perona's ghost scouts. If Moria abducted the ship and it was abandoned without any fresh living beings with shadows, he probably would have just let the ship drift without doing anything more. Thus one of her ghosts peaked inside and they knew what they had.
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I remember Ubiq mentioned awhile ago Blackbeard using his status to further his schemes to rise up in the world. At least I think it was him who mentioned it, pretty sure it was.
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I think the Seven Warlords and the World Government know who Ace is and his rank on Whitebeard's army. Even Buggy's crew had heard of his rank. So I think it likely that Ace's position in the Whitebeard crew is, if not common knowledge, then at least fairly well known enough that anyone within the government would surely know it.@DeadJustice:
I remember Ubiq mentioned awhile ago Blackbeard using his status to further his schemes to rise up in the world. At least I think it was him who mentioned it, pretty sure it was.
I think it was Shanks, to Whitebeard:
(From Stephen's Script of Chapter 434)
"He was waiting for his chance… He didn't take a captain's position, he didn't take the fame. He was spending all of his time hiding in the shadow of your name!!! And when he gained his power... he struck. Ultimately, he will seek the very top. Of his OWN will!! Eventually, he will even come to steal YOUR position!!"Which I take to mean he didn't seek status or fame initially, using his obscurity as time to get powerful. Only now, that he's confident in his strength and has the Devil Fruit he actively sought out is he out to claim the ranks and privilege he can get ahold of. Because now he's strong enough that nobody will easily take it from him.
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@Tokoro:
Little is really known on what the Shichibukai do and don't know about Blackbeard. All they know is that he defeated Ace (of which I don't know if they know he's a Whitebeard commander). And considering that Moria of their own group is still running around attempting to be Pirate King even while being a govt dog, its obvious that this is part of Blackbeard's ultimate plan: use their resources either to take the government apart from the inside or just get what he needs to direct him towards One Piece. Something tells me that they may actually have some valuable info if some of them went after Gol D. Rodger…and with Teach now one of them, he can get his grubby hands on it for himself to advance his own plans.
As for how Moria discovered them, there's one piece of the puzzle that is also needed: Perona's ghost scouts. If Moria abducted the ship and it was abandoned without any fresh living beings with shadows, he probably would have just let the ship drift without doing anything more. Thus one of her ghosts peaked inside and they knew what they had.
I'm pretty sure they'd know about Ace being a commander for Whitebeard's crew. I mean Ace even has his own little nickname that other's remember him by. If Blackbeard got Shichibukai status from beating Ace, the Goverment surely knows his position in the Whitebeard Pirates.
It's obvious Blackbeard is using his status to help him on his dream to become Pirate King. He knows that he's being hunted by Whitebeard now, or he should know that now ever since Ace found him. What we don't know is how exactly Blackbeard's going to use his newfound liberties.
Edit:sgamer82 beat me to it, oh well…
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After all this speculation and discussion I think it would be awesome if Blackbeard got the position because of something totally unrelated to Ace, and he and Ace instead made up with a handshake and a nice hot burrito at Uncle Bill's or something.
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@Mog:
After all this speculation and discussion I think it would be awesome if Blackbeard got the position because of something totally unrelated to Ace, and he and Ace instead made up with a handshake and a nice hot burrito at Uncle Bill's or something.
We'll have a nice little cover story of Blackbeard and Ace becoming the best of buddies and helping repair Banaro Island.
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Well, I think Kuma (and the WG) is just concerned about the actions of the other two Yonkou (Kaidou and the unknown). Shanks is pretty stable. I doubt he'd fight a war for no reason. Whitebeard, on the other hand, is VERY unstable… and when the news of Ace's death reaches him and Blackbeard's promotion, he'll go off the handle.
We don't know a thing about Kaidou or the other emperor. They could either be arrogant assholes like every other pirate in One Piece, or actually intelligent fighters who don't normally delve into world affairs. Either way, Whitebeard declaring war on the WG is a precursor for any number of scenarios, hence the footnote after the conclusion of the Ace/Blackbeard battle.
That said, I also think the Moria inside Odz is another shadow.
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@Fire Fist:
Well, I think Kuma (and the WG) is just concerned about the actions of the other two Yonkou (Kaidou and the unknown). Shanks is pretty stable. I doubt he'd fight a war for no reason. Whitebeard, on the other hand, is VERY unstable… and when the news of Ace's death reaches him and Blackbeard's promotion, he'll go off the handle.
We don't know a thing about Kaidou or the other emperor. They could either be arrogant assholes like every other pirate in One Piece, or actually intelligent fighters who don't normally delve into world affairs. Either way, Whitebeard declaring war on the WG is a precursor for any number of scenarios, hence the footnote after the conclusion of the Ace/Blackbeard battle.
That said, I also think the Moria inside Odz is another shadow.
We don't know who Kaidou is yet. Right now there is still 2 unknown Yonkou
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We don't know who Kaidou is yet. Right now there is still 2 unknown Yonkou
There's no logic to Oda having introduced the 3 world powers, the revolutionaries, and then introducing even more powerful individuals. If anything, Kaidou is more than likely a Yonkou, especially if he beat a 320 million former bounty pirate. Foxy had a lower bounty than Crocodile for a reason, you know.
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We'll have a nice little cover story of Blackbeard and Ace becoming the best of buddies and helping repair Banaro Island.
Yeah right and next thing you know Luffy will be dancing with Don Krieg and Arlong.
Oh wait…
I wonder, will we finally find out the significance of that piece of paper Ace gave Luffy in a few chapters? Maybe Kuma tells him?
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@Fire Fist:
Well, I think Kuma (and the WG) is just concerned about the actions of the other two Yonkou (Kaidou and the unknown). Shanks is pretty stable. I doubt he'd fight a war for no reason. Whitebeard, on the other hand, is VERY unstable… and when the news of Ace's death reaches him and Blackbeard's promotion, he'll go off the handle.
We don't know a thing about Kaidou or the other emperor. They could either be arrogant assholes like every other pirate in One Piece, or actually intelligent fighters who don't normally delve into world affairs. Either way, Whitebeard declaring war on the WG is a precursor for any number of scenarios, hence the footnote after the conclusion of the Ace/Blackbeard battle.
That said, I also think the Moria inside Odz is another shadow.
THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE "Kaidou and the unknown" THIS IS WHAT IM TIRED OF PEOPLE STATETING PREDICTIONS AS FACTS! WTF!!!
ok I don't mind people making predictions I mean its a forum…but when you state them like its a well known fact then it pisses me off I mean Kaidou was just mentioned ONCE and I know people are gonna think hes a Yonkou but don't go stateing it like Oda himself said he was DON'T STATE IT DAMMIT!
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THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE "Kaidou and the unknown" THIS IS WHAT IM TIRED OF PEOPLE STATETING PREDICTIONS AS FACTS! WTF!!!
ok I don't mind people making predictions I mean its a forum…but when you state them like its a well known fact then it pisses me off I mean Kaidou was just mentioned ONCE and I know people are gonna think hes a Yonkou but don't go stateing it like Oda himself said he was DON'T STATE IT DAMMIT!
Read my other post after that one…
And I'll state it again for Emphasis: THERE'S A REASON FOXY'S BOUNTY IS LOWER THAN CROCODILE'S.
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I read your other post and I understand your reasoning…but don't state it as a fact because that's what your doing....runs
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I read your other post and I understand your reasoning…but don't state it as a fact because that's what your doing....runs
He's not stating it as a fact, he's stating it as a logical assumption.
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He's not stating it as a fact, he's stating it as a logical assumption.
@Fire Fist:
Well, I think Kuma (and the WG) is just concerned about the actions of the other two Yonkou (Kaidou and the unknown).
In my mind, it looks as though ti's being stated as a fact (assuming I've got the right post here). The difference between stating as fact and stating a logical assumption is that in the latter you should actually point out that it's an assumption and, if you think it necessary, your reasoning for that assumption. That doesn't occur in this instance of calling Kaidou and Emperor. I will agree that I think it is a logical assumption that Kaidou is an Emperor. But it's not confirmed yet and thus shouldn't be stated as though it were.
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Now this has got to be one of the most entertaining chapters I have ever read! I live One Piece way too much right now! Yay Brooks!
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This chapter was amazing! I wonder if Moria would get replaced for losing to Luffy on his own ship? Would Kuma be a bastard and rat on Moria?
There's so many questions to answer!
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Kaidou is not necessarily automatically a Yonkou by your "logic". He could be someone very important to Luffy or Shanks for all we know, if you're going for the whole "he's an important character" bit.
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That or Kuma thinks that somebody who´s already taken care of two Whitebeard Pirates Commanders is far stronger then necessary to maintain the balance of the Three Powers. Especially since it´s a former Whitebeard Pirate himself.
We don't know if the WG even knew BB was in the Whitebeard crew since he didn't even have a bounty.
I think it's pretty obvious that Kuma believes BB's coronation into being a Shichibukai(Sbk) is NOT going to put the world back in balance, but throw it totally off. We don't know enough about Kuma to guess why he thinks that way, but I'd venture a guess that he is the only Sbk that actually wants to keep the so-called "balance".
So far all the Sbk we've seen, with the exception of Hawkeye, has been pushing some sort of agenda. Croc wanted to take over the world; Doflamingo was talking about rising the new age; Moria want to be the Pirate king with the help of his zombies. So I don't think anyone would be shocked to find out that BB secretly want to be the Pirate king, or that he'd kill his own Nakama to do so.
I believe Kuma is wary of BB precisely because of his anonymity. Lemme explain. What kind of pirate with his demonstrated strength and power would purposely stay low and out of sight? It takes a man with great perseverance and even greater ambition to be able to do that - to hold back his own strength and be patient for all this time (BB doesn't exactly look like a rookie). Pirates aren't known for their patience, but this new guy, whose power is great enough to kill the famous Fire Fist Ace, obviously stayed low and out of sight until something happened to put his plans in motion. No one knows what happened, but it must have been worth it for him to come out so suddenly and so violently. As an experienced pirate, Kuma should be able to see this as well – BB is no ordinary Pirate.
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I agree that Bear probably thinks Blackbeard as very dangerous, and that that is the reason he doubts his becoming Shichibukai is for the good of the balance. Instead, from what I've read, it appears he think this assignment is for the worse. Stronger than necessary does not have to mean it's bad.
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I thought Mihawk was pretty much on-par with Shanks… At least at some rate? And since Shanks is one of the emperors, then we would be able to reach the conclusion that some of Sichi's - at least Mihawk - could be around as strong as a yonkou!
So, BB being able to topple some of their big-time underlings may be a somewhat impressive feat, yet I doubt that makes him "too strong" for their standards. Kuma is probably just worried about BB breaking their adorable animal theme. I bet that's a crucial part of the balance. Well, yeah. Sir Kibagami said it as it imho is.
On other news, Moria is sort of talking about them first having to defeat Odz to get to fight with him. I'd say he deems himself stronger than his most valuable underling! :o
So, perhaps the following chapters will be SHs taking Odz down and purifying him, followed by Moria demolishing the crew as SanjiZoro have to go hide in a closet to not burn up in the sunlight. Enter re-shadowed Luffy fueled by anger and hunger!
I'd like the idea of Luffy looking up and seeing sun come up and shine it's light on him. Then him trying to block it away with his arms, with smoke coming off of his skin as he's about to be set ablaze - and then WHABAM! Return of le shadow! MORIAAAAAAAAAAAAA~!! >.<
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I don't think Moria is going to fall…...
another scenario is that Kuma helps Moria anyway, and sent the strawhats somewhere with his powers...... -
That or Kuma thinks that somebody who´s already taken care of two Whitebeard Pirates Commanders is far stronger then necessary to maintain the balance of the Three Powers. Especially since it´s a former Whitebeard Pirate himself.
That's what I think also. BB might be too strong to keep the balance.
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i think luffy will find zoro and sanji's zombie in the forest and defeat them,
and then he meets up with the crew as oz is purefied. kuma will most likly witness the moria's defeat. -
sry,this is off topic…but i want to say that this site looks awesome...like the chapter
kuma will most likly witness the moria's defeat.
yeah,i think the same
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The difference between stating as fact and stating a logical assumption is…
…nothing.
16 sacks of "There's no difference."
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Enel was pretty strong and none of the three great powers. I don't see the point, that Kaidou has to be any part of them. Oda is not that easy to predict.
But back to the chapter. I am very looking foreward to see Dogpen and Jigoroh again. Because Oda made us think, this Arc will be short: Luffy beats Moria and everybody else has his Zombie. Oda now changes to everone-except-Luffy fights Moria, so I hope Luffy will fight those two shadows of Sanji and Zoro at least.
Even so I hope that Kuma's power is not just teleporting, but to grant someones wish to teleport away. As Perona thought about an ancient castle before she was send away and Morias just answers Kuma's question with: "I already know your powers", I doubt Moria will allow Kuma to teleport him away, before get knocked out by the mugiwara.
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Luffy cant beat any zombie. No fire and no salt.
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@Ali:
Enel was pretty strong and none of the three great powers. I don't see the point, that Kaidou has to be any part of them. Oda is not that easy to predict.
That's because Enel wasn't in the Grand Line…
And yes, I'm making a logical assumption on this. Please think reasonably, people. Oda already stated that the three strongest groups on the Grand Line are the HQ Marines, the Yonkou, and the Shichi. Since the Marines and the Shichi have a truce, it's most plausible Kaidou is a Yonkou.
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holy shit i want a Kuma shirt where would i buy that it looks awesome : P
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Actually, the latest chapter made me reconsider the possibility that Kaidou could be actually be one of the Shichibukai. I mean, why not? They don't seem to be too friendly with each other, what with each plotting to be Pirate King themselves. Just look at the way Moria spoke with Kuma. While I don't imagine that they'll go head on against each other, if their goals clash for eg. 2 of them wants to be Pirate King, then I don't see why they won't wanna fight.
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I wonder if Blackbeard is still gunning for Luffy now that he has become a Shibukai. After all, isn't that why he was gunning for Luffy in the first place? Also, Doesn't being a Shibukai me you are supposed to disband your old pirate crew? How will Van Auger, Doc Q, Jesus Burgess and Laffite be handeled?
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I think if Blackbeard becomes a shichibukai, he probably will let Laffite handle it until his coup de tat on the WG…..... since he is now (virtually) unstoppable....... either he uses the WG to crush WB, then betray them or he waits for the WG to act and then go for the gold... (aka One Piece)........while everyone is busy fighting...
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I wonder if Blackbeard is still gunning for Luffy now that he has become a Shibukai. After all, isn't that why he was gunning for Luffy in the first place? Also, Doesn't being a Shibukai me you are supposed to disband your old pirate crew? How will Van Auger, Doc Q, Jesus Burgess and Laffite be handeled?
No one ever said that you need to get rid of your crew if you become a Shichibukai. People used to say that because Mihawk was a loner and the Fishmen Pirates were divided once Jimbei became a Shichibukai (no one said if Jimbei had kept some of his crew with him, however).
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We don't know if the WG even knew BB was in the Whitebeard crew since he didn't even have a bounty.
I pretty much doubt that Kuma knows that he´s a former WB pirate withouth the WG knowing about it. And on page 12 Kuma clearly shows that he knows for Teach being a former member of Newgate´s crew.
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No one ever said that you need to get rid of your crew if you become a Shichibukai.
Seriously. Look at Moria
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Crew fights Moria and Luffy fights Kuma?
Every issue for the last two months has made me just as eager for the next. There's always a 60/40 of answers and questions in One Piece. Enough to satisfy, but also enough to make you sit back like, "Shit, next week then."
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i dont think kuma will be fighting here, its way too early in his story for him to be fought and defeated, unless he beats up on one of the SH crew or a few of them and then leaves with them clinging to life like Aokiji, otherwise this is just kuma's introduction
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crazy prediction : gekko gets owned by luffy.. kuma beats the living crap outta everyone and the next arc is the crew waking up and breaking out a jail
PIECEN BREAK :lol: -
i don't think the marines are that stupid to just lock up the strawhats, they will probably be bounded by chains and seastone cuff for the devil fruit users…....
someone else will have break them out.........