I think the coolest ending to the Zoro V.S. Ryuuma fight would be after Zoro comes back and takes out Ryuuma, who is defeated and incapacitated on the ground, Brooke comes up to him, sprinkles some salt on his sword and stabs it into where Ryuuma's heart would be.
Chapter 466 "Conclusion" Discussion
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I think the coolest ending to the Zoro V.S. Ryuuma fight would be after Zoro comes back and takes out Ryuuma, who is defeated and incapacitated on the ground, Brooke comes up to him, sprinkles some salt on his sword and stabs it into where Ryuuma's heart would be.
Over kill!
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I think the coolest ending to the Zoro V.S. Ryuuma fight would be after Zoro comes back and takes out Ryuuma, who is defeated and incapacitated on the ground, Brooke comes up to him, sprinkles some salt on his sword and stabs it into where Ryuuma's heart would be.
WoW I agree with you but that is too much do you think.
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I think the coolest ending to the Zoro V.S. Ryuuma fight would be after Zoro comes back and takes out Ryuuma, who is defeated and incapacitated on the ground, Brooke comes up to him, sprinkles some salt on his sword and stabs it into where Ryuuma's heart would be.
Indeed
shit
no chap next week!!
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Wow! Usopp's victory was very impressive. It seems like he really is becoming a stronger character in both spirit and abilities. He even turned his weakness into an asset against Perona. Awesomeness~!
It seems unlikely that Zoro will lose the fight but I just wish that there was some way for Brook to assist him…
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On a related note, what's with the gaseous aura surrounding ryuma after he permanently defeated zoro?
Is this a zombie version of gear two? An asura-like aura attack? What color do you think this ethereal shroud should be in the anime? (alcohol burner blue and black would seems to fit in my minds eye)
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That's probably just his combative spirit. It's a shonen staple, it's weird we didn't see it earlier in One Piece.
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On page 18, that's the most evil face I've ever seen Zoro make.
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That's probably just his combative spirit. It's a shonen staple, it's weird we didn't see it earlier in One Piece.
Well, they'll be coming up to it soon - seeing as something from Shanks knocked out Whitebeard's crew.
The New World is almost around the corner …
.o I had always hoped that Oda wouldn't give any of his characters 'aura-like' abilities - I loved the plain, brute force of the fights, along with the Devel Fruit abilities.
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On a related note, what's with the gaseous aura surrounding ryuma after he permanently defeated zoro?
Is this a zombie version of gear two? An asura-like aura attack? What color do you think this ethereal shroud should be in the anime? (alcohol burner blue and black would seems to fit in my minds eye)
I think its just dust, Ryuuma just knocked Zoro through the roof of a rotten building and follows him. Zoro has it when he hits the ground, too. It's nothing more.
edit: Zoro's looks different, but I still think it's just dust/smoke.
So, the week after next week we'll see exactly how Ryuuma managed to throw Zoro out of there.
Oh, and I'm awaiting the "Zoro could be dead" threads because it's a flashback of what happened five minutes ago. -
Zoro has taken alot more damage than the Damage he is taken now so I would not worry about it.
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That's probably just his combative spirit. It's a shonen staple, it's weird we didn't see it earlier in One Piece.
It was shown with Sanji and the such, but never like that. Which is why I don't think it's just another case of a combative spirit. It was REALLY detailed too.
It's part of that "WTF JUST HAPPENED WHA–" alongside Zoro's pwnage.btw, can someone approve of next week's absence? I'd believe it even if there wasn't a holiday, since Oda didn't take a break for a long time now, but..
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Maybe it's just me, but seem to have a lot of breaks nowadays.
As for that Ryuma aura? I think it's just a distruption in the plumes of dust that he is walking through. But I don't think Zoro is down at all. He just needs to have his 3 sword balance restored, that's all.
If I think I'm insane, does it mean I'm not? Because a truly insane person wouldn't know that they are insane?
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Maybe it's just me, but seem to have a lot of breaks nowadays.
Are you kidding? OP didn't have a break in months now. I remember times around Sept that he took a break about once every 5 weeks.
As for that Ryuma aura? I think it's just a distruption in the plumes of dust that he is walking through. But I don't think Zoro is down at all. He just needs to have his 3 sword balance restored, that's all.
Dust?… Are you sure? Take a look carefully, to my [completely awful, but still] eyes, it's far from dust. Either 2nd Gear-like steam or fire. If it's fire it shouldn't be real, more like Zoro's Asura. But then again.. Sanji's Diable Jamble [did I get that right?] is still a mystery..
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It had a break between Chapter 459 and 460… just two months, come on.
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Pumping out that much artwork per week is an extremely taxing career. Being a famous mangaka comes with an enormous amount of stress, and people seriously need to respect his desire to take a break occasionally.
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Shit, has it been two months already? My how time flies^^
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Thanks BF.
And OH, WHO CALLED IT? PONEGLYPH ON THE MOON.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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It had a break between Chapter 459 and 460… just two months, come on.
@Cyringohn:
Pumping out that much artwork per week is an extremely taxing career. Being a famous mangaka comes with an enormous amount of stress, and people seriously need to respect his desire to take a break occasionally.
It's the entire magazine that's taking a week off, not just Oda.
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Loved this chapter so much. SO MUCH.
However, taking away zoro's swords severely limits the repertoire of attacks he has access to. Remember how much trouble he was having with the likes of hachi before Johnny and yosaku threw him their swords? Likely, zoro will need all three to even scratch ryuma.
Well, that was before Zoro had really shown any techniques with less than three swords. He could probably put up a decent fight with fewer weapons now. Most likely he will obtain a third one for the finishing blow, however.
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Haha, love Brook's fro in middle of p. 19. Another great chapter. It seems Usopp is becoming a little less fearless with the help of his alter ego. And can't wait to see Zoro's fight through.
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Perona just got PWNED!
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It's the entire magazine that's taking a week off, not just Oda.
Even still, it's annoying when people bitch about breaks.
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Okay, keep in mind that I don't really care who defeats Ryuuma. There's a couple things people aren't accounting for, here.
Zoro has a multitude of reasons to defeat Ryuuma, yes. He needs another sword, Ryuuma just happens to have one of the 21. They already started dueling, Zoro said he would never lose another fight, etc. All this stuff has been mentioned.
But people are acting like Brook doesn't have a reason to fight Ryuuma. Ryuuma completely ruined Brook's shit TWICE. Does that mean he has no chance against him? Luffy lost twice to Crocodile before defeating him, remember? Ryuuma threatenens to cut off Brook's only prized possession, has Brook's shadow, and laughs in Brook's face while using his own attacks better than he does. If anything, Brook has MORE of a reason to fight Ryuuma.
That said, I'm kinda hoping for an outcome that people haven't even mentioned yet: teamwork. There's 3 Straw Hats in there, all of which are pretty damn useful. They should just team up and take his ass out, or throw salt in his mouth. Whatever happens though, I'm fine with.
It's obvious that what Brooke cares about most is protecting his fro and getting back to Laboon. Brooke doesn't seem to be on the same level as Zoro either from the little we have to go by, he might even serve as a hinderance, especially with his fro weakness, and Zoro even threatened Luffy before if he got in the way of his goal. To add to that, Brooke even pleaded for Zoro to get back his shadow for him.
What Zoro cares about most is becoming the best swordsman. He's vowed never to lose to another swordsman again. And in the past, he's been shown to be in a near-death state and not just run off seeking for help. Even after his battle with Daz Bones despite his injuries, he immediately started training just so he can truly transcend himself and easily pull out what he learned in the battle.
So basically, fighting Ryuuma is likely much lower on Brooke's priority list than even just keeping his afro out of danger, while it wouldn't be in Zoro's best interest to accept help directly in battle. I'd say if Brooke lends help, it'd probably only be information about his style, but not partake in the battle directly. I see him losing and Brooke winning the fight as likely as someone like Nami taking over any of Luffy's previous main boss fights after his loss.
And with Brooke and Luffy. Brooke as I mentioned above, doesn't seem to care as much about losing in this case. He just wants his shadow back, wihle Luffy usually fights to defeat the person. Brooke lost due to the person he fought being superior in what he does best. Crocodile had a special defense which ultimately cost Luffy the fight and which he had to exploit to win.
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But people are acting like Brook doesn't have a reason to fight Ryuuma. Ryuuma completely ruined Brook's shit TWICE. Does that mean he has no chance against him? Luffy lost twice to Crocodile before defeating him, remember? Ryuuma threatenens to cut off Brook's only prized possession, has Brook's shadow, and laughs in Brook's face while using his own attacks better than he does. If anything, Brook has MORE of a reason to fight Ryuuma.
Maybe luffy lost twice to crocodile before defeating him but contrary to Brook, Luffy never admited his defeat even though brook dit it.
in fact, Brook has to protect his affro then he is limited in fight vs ryumaa, 'cause ryumaa knows his weaknessEDIT/ Too fast to me codedtech :)
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@Cyringohn:
Even still, it's annoying when people bitch about breaks.
Indeed, like there wasn't anything better to do…
By the way, I wasn't bitching, I just showed to Rai it wasn't "for months" that last break happened.
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Okay folks, seems we need to do this everytime there's a double issue.
A double issue means the possibility of a week-early release exists. It's not something to hold your breath for, especially considering the arrests a few months ago (even though it seems to be back on pace for early releases) but it has happened in the past many times.
However….
Regardless of whether it comes out a week earlier than expected or not, one way or another you'll be waiting two weeks since you'll have to wait an extra week once it comes out in Japan.
Back to the story...
I see a lot of: 'Zoro cant be teh lo5R'
Yes he can. He can and he has. Ener anybody? Oda has shown that he can make Zoro 'lose' so long as he contributes in some way to the defeat of said villain. That may be the case here or it may end up being a pair battle. Brooke's knowledge of Ryuma's capabilities may come in handy. Plus I'm wondering if Franky won't just sit there with his mouth open uncharacteristically.
One way or the other though, one, two or even three against one, Zoro will contribute to Ryuma's defeat.
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Enel wasn't a swordsman and the only swordsman that Zoro has lost to is Mihawk if I recall correctly, he made his vow afterwards.
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so much win right there
that pose that look, and an Ussop fight I genuienlly liked thats not Chuu, BUWAAAAA
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Enel wasn't a swordsman
True, but pay attention in what Greg said.
Maybe Zoro comes to need Brook's help at the end, like he was helped by Nami during his fight with the Nyaban Brothers and by Johnny and Yosaku during his fight with Hatchan.
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As much as I'd like to see Franky get another fight or some more Brooke backstory to be revealed I'm almost sure Zoro is going to dominate the next couple chapters. With his "I will never lose to a swordsman" attitude he'll reject any help and try to defeat Ryuuma with his own power.
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It's bee said before, but it's great to see Usopp get a fight and win. Not only that, but it's against a legitimately strong opponent, if you're not the type of person to just write Perona off as a "little girl." Really, the non-strength based fighters in shonen tend to be deadly, and Perona's style of fighting was great–she's like the kyptonite to all those Gar badasses out there. Still, she got owned issuch a hilarious way...great stuff from Usopp.
But, now Zoro's fight is starting. It looks great, but what's with that flaming aura? Hopefully that'll be explained?
Also, Brooke won't fight Ryuma again. Ever. Everevereververver. This isn't his time to shine right now, just wait. It's a long manga and Brooke's got his entire second life ahead of him to own other people.
I mean, would how could anyone be proud of Brooke if he stabs Ryuma and put salt in his mouth after Zoro beats him? Still, he could probably lend Zoro his cane sword.
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Enel wasn't a swordsman
Granted it's been a looooooong time since I've read 'The Oath' but I don't seem to recall his promise including anything about a swordsman.
He simply said, "I won't lose."
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I wasn't referring to his oath, I meant his general attitude and pride. The translation I have of his oath is "From now on… I won't lose to anyone ever again! I won't lose again! Until I can defeat that man and become an invincible swordsman! Forever!" As evidenced by Enel Zoro does lose but he stopped fighting because he was unconscious and Enel was supposed to be overwhelmingly powerful against everyone but Luffy. I doubt that Oda would let Zoro get knocked out and lose in just five minutes to a swordsman but we'll see.
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I wasn't referring to his oath, I meant his general attitude and pride. The translation I have of his oath is "From now on… I won't lose to anyone ever again! I won't lose again! Until I can defeat that man and become an invincible swordsman! Forever!" As evidenced by Enel Zoro does lose but he stopped fighting because he was unconscious and Enel was supposed to be overwhelmingly powerful against everyone but Luffy. I doubt that Oda would let Zoro get knocked out and lose in just five minutes to a swordsman but we'll see.
Yeah…he lost.
But again...you're not getting my point. Ener won the battle, not the war.
Zoro got back up and cut down Giant Jack. Without the combination of his effort, Nora's and Wiper's, defeating Ener would not have been possible. Hence he contributed to the defeat of Ener (which is why Oda included the scene instead of leaving him KO'd like Sanji or Chopper) and won.
Thus, Zoro doesn't lose and he won't here either.
Man I'm good.
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AWESOME CHAPTER! The translated version is up now. Usopp's finishing battle was hillarious. Anyone besides me thing perona is kinda cute?
My jaw dropped when I saw zorro was apparently defeated! How the hell!? Maybe it's not a fair battle since I guess zombies don't fatigue (or do they? No reason to), and don't really suffer from wounds.
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Nice chapter, I actually enjoyed reading this Ussop fight, probably the first one except maybe the one against Luffy…....and Perona is still hot.........
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Scanlation makes it even better.. I didn't honestly think last week's chapter would be beat, but this chapter just rocks. It sucks that there's no chapter next week.
Usopp's finest hour yet in these last two chapters. Zoro getting ruined by Ryuuma. Awesome.
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Yeah…he lost.
But again...you're not getting my point. Ener won the battle, not the war.
Zoro got back up and cut down Giant Jack. Without the combination of his effort, Nora's and Wiper's, defeating Ener would not have been possible. Hence he contributed to the defeat of Ener (which is why Oda included the scene instead of leaving him KO'd like Sanji or Chopper) and won.
Thus, Zoro doesn't lose and he won't here either.
Man I'm good.
lol, that last remark gave you away. You were trying to prove it to yourself, didn't you? XD
I dunno if Ryuuma is THAT good to be considered a mighty being that can be defeated only with teamwork [as Enel], especially when you try to compare them.
Still, I wanna stay away from that discussion for a while. Dammit, the dude was on fire and Zoro was blown off along with some good kilos of stone. WITHOUT US KNOWING WHY. And Until this is gonna be explained I'm gonna say there's completely nothing to judge by. :s
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Well shit, I must admit, it was an awesome chapter. Ussop really suprised me by legitamately winning a fight and using impact dials. Not bad at all. I wished he would've done this at EL, but whatever.
Looks like Zoro is up next, so we'll see what new attacks he's learned. Should proved to be pretty decent. can't wait
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Yeah…he lost.
But again...you're not getting my point. Ener won the battle, not the war.
Zoro got back up and cut down Giant Jack. Without the combination of his effort, Nora's and Wiper's, defeating Ener would not have been possible. Hence he contributed to the defeat of Ener (which is why Oda included the scene instead of leaving him KO'd like Sanji or Chopper) and won.
Thus, Zoro doesn't lose and he won't here either.
Man I'm good.
Lol, nice. And while we're at it, Zoro is the one who defeated Jango. If he hadn't cut that tree branch Ussop wouldn't have been able to hit with his attack and save Kaya so clearly Zoro is the winner of that fight too. :P
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Perona's face was hilarious after she fainted after Usopp pulled out the 10 ton hammer out on her. But still, Usopp vs Chuu still reigns supreme.
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That was an excellent chapter. I loved the pannel where Usopp reveals his 10 ton hammer and especially the pannel where Zoro clashes with Ryuuma on the last page. One Piece is still as awsome as it has ever been! This might become the next best storyline after the Water 7/Enies Lobby story.
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Wow, That fight was almost on par with the Luffy vs Ussop fight. I say almost because I like seeing characters pushed to their limit, and I don't think Ussop can ever try harder than he did when he was up against Luffy.
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Looks like Zoro's down in Round 1, but he's gonna be serious next round.
Will he use "Asura," or will he come up with something new… What do you guys think?
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Usopp vs. Perona was absolutely brilliant. Oda made a man vs. woman battle happen without it infringing on that "Men shouldn't hit women…" bullshit that most people hold so dear. He fucking scared her unconscious. You better believe somebody would have a brain overload and pass out from shock if they were covered in their phobia, then had a huge fucking balloon rupture in their face; and add in the fact that she thought she was about to die.
It feels really weird to say this, but it's kind of cute that she's so afraid of roaches.
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welp looks like zoros first fight against a "true" swordsman won't be a pushover
why true swordsman ? yarr as i see it every other guy he fought so far was more of a gimmick abuser than a swordsman
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Kaku and Mr. 1 were hardly gimmicks. Just because they weren't normal human with swords doesn't mean they weren't swordsmen.
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Finaly Ussop does something that I REAAAALLY enjoy!I knew the Sogeking thing would be wprth it.
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I dunno if Ryuuma is THAT good to be considered a mighty being that can be defeated only with teamwork [as Enel], especially when you try to compare them.
The question for me isn't so much whether or not if he's that good, it's what else will Franky do this arc and since Brooke has a close connection with him, he may get involved in some form that doesn't involve anything physical. 1/2 of the Four Ghouls are down and although Franky doesn't NEED a fight, he's probably there for a reason.
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