Hey there, with the recent chapter revelation of Gecko Moria, I noticed that his body isn't THAT massive. When I heard he was a giant I originally thought that he'd be the size of the Elbaf or something. But when you look at him, he might be the same size as Whitebeard (possibly smaller). I'm a bit dissappointed by this, since I really wanted to see what a Gear 3rd giant pistol would do to a regular Elbaf giant. Anyone else agree here?
Gecko Moria, not an elbaf giant?
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Well he has never been oficcially called a giant. that was speculation since he looked like one in ch 449.
since then both his size and dentures has changed.
also even if he was a full giant it is doubtful he would be from elbaf. we know Jaguar D. Saul (sp?) was a west blue giant and Morias ship used to be an island in west blue i belive.
but in the last chapter he does seem to be as big as say whitebeard or the dismantler trio from franky family.
What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm
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Mabye he grows with each shadow he steals.. No but its possible that other giant tribes arent as large as an elbaf giant.. who knows.. or he may also be half giant half human or something
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Maybe he's still young.
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No, there's something up with his size.
Originally I thought it might have been that the three zombies who woke him up were just REALLY tiny. That would have been an interesting trick on Oda's part. But there's a scene with one of them and Moria that shows they're not that small at all.
And the original scene with Moria….he WAS huge. He also has a somewhat amorphous design and don't forget the stitches. Something's definitely up with him.
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Actually, he has, Brook in chapter 455. "And there was a giant" Back in Brooke's flashback when he's talking about the amputation.
Well stephen's translation only says "frighteningly large man", so that translation may have also may have just meant the adjective and not referring to the "giant races" in One Piece.
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Maybe Moria shrinks when he doesn't get his shadows.
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Maybe Moria shrinks when he doesn't get his shadows.
Well, he was using a toothpick when we first saw him.
Plus we know they need to 'feed' him. So something probably going on in that front.
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Maybe he's like this guy:
Replace shadows with bugs.
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Nothing of what has been said does really explain why he has shrunk imo. if he changes size wouldnt he be smaller before he eats/steals shadows?
right now he was the biggest when he was asleep in ch 449 mediumsized in the middle of 455 and the smallest at the end of 455 (yes i think he changes size even in the chapter)
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Actually if you look at the scene where Luffy's shadow is stolen by Moria you'll notice the three servants are roughly half the size of Absalom, who's basically as tall as one of Moria's feet. There's not that much difference with Moria's first appearance. The three zombie servants are midgets, and Moria is a huge "man", slightly bigger than Whitebeard.
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yep chalk one up to tricky tricky Oda
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@Aldrich
Yes they are midgets however
-the midgets are roughly more then half the lenght of Absolom. (judging by the spotlinght panel)
-Cindry which is aproximetly same lenght as absolom is taller then one of Morias foots. (judging by the bottom left panel 2 pages before the spotlight panel)
-The heel is less then a fourth of morias whole foot. (judging by any panel where his shoes are visible)
-in 449 the midgets are shorter then the heel of morias feet. (judging by the moria spread in that chapter)Either Oda or someone messed up the perspectives,
or Moria (or the midgets) is changeing size.
Yes that was alot of overanalyzing but thats quite a dramatic change in size. -
Replace shadows with bugs.
I dunno if that's how it works but yeah. He was no doubt the inspiration.
Okay, I took another look at the first time he appeared and compared the scene from this chapter where the flat-headed underling is in the same panel as Moria (the panel where Luffy escapes from the cage. Moria and the underling would appear to be in the same plane in the BG and there's just no way they're the same size. Gecko definitely appears bigger there.
But
It's not THAT big of a difference as I originally thought. Seeing it like that and since Oda obviously was getting used to the character and trying to impress us, it could easily be a minor scaling error. I'm still gonna stick with hope that we haven't seen all of Moria's surprises yet.
…..please? Oda? Please say it ain't so?
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I agree with Ace. Oogie-Boogie Man ftw XD
But really, scaling error is a possibiliy. Dunno why, but I don't think there will be too much about his character than this (regarding his size anyway). Which is kinda weird, because there's always something more, and that's what we should expect. I just don't feel it though.
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Traitor jim has your dog avatar evolved again?
i remeber it beeing a black and white and then it became green but this is the first time i see the hat and vest.
why does it only have 3 legs?(sorry for beeing offtopic)
Greg im not sure but to me the cage apears closer to us then hogback in that panel… but the midget still roughly equals the size he should be in comparison to Moria if you look at all the panels i compared in the post above yours. =P
What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm
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Traitor jim has your dog avatar evolved again?
i remeber it beeing a black and white and then it became green but this is the first time i see the hat and vest.
why does it only have 3 legs?(sorry for beeing offtopic)
Greg im not sure but to me the cage apears closer to us then hogback in that panel… but the midget still roughly equals the size he should be in comparison to Moria if you look at all the panels i compared in the post above yours. =P
Yeah but it really doesn't seem like THAT much of a difference. At least not as much as I first thought. I think we can chalk it up to an hiccup. But…here's hoping!
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… how much did you think it was at first? i mean he shrunk to half his original size.... (judging by his shoes)
and his shoes are even smaller when hes standing up shich makes him even shorter if he stays proportional. (well maybe not shorter but he is sure as hell not taller when standing then sitting... what is up with those nonexistential legs?)
What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm
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what is up with those nonexistential legs?
I think that's a big part of what is throwing people off when it comes to his size. Moria seems to be suffering from Cotton Hill Syndrome (They took my SHINS!); if he had normal legs or even the stumpy ones that we usually see on such massive characters, he'd be about the same height as Saul or Big Bun (who probably seems to be taller because he's got a relatively normal looking build compared to Saul or Moria).
Moria, going by the panel where he snips off Luffy's shadow, would seem to be in the neighborhood of twenty-five to thirty feet tall. Add another six feet of leg or so and he's just as tall as Saul was on average (his height fluctuated a bit as well). On top of that, his arms look to be similar to Saul's when it comes to how large they are relative to the torso and they both share the "ishi ishi ishi" style of laughing. Most likely, that's how tall Oda is intending Moria to be.
If there seems to be a bit of a discrepancy in heights, well, consider that we're mostly seeing him from the side when he stands up and not from in front. Moria is far more imposing physically when viewed from the front as he's almost as wide as he is tall.
On the other hand, Oda might have redesigned him slightly after his first appearance as well. His eyes and teeth while a shadowy figure in 449 don't really match what we see in the last chapter. Either Oda's decided against whatever effect he was going for originally or Moria is deliberately changing his features around for some reason.
As far as Whitebeard goes, comparing him to Rockstar and Shanks tops him out at between sixteen and eighteen feet, about the same as Jerry. He's nowhere near as massive as any of the actual giants we've seen.
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how many feet too a meter again? is 3 feet slightly more or slightly less then a meter?
Absolom seems to be about a third of Morias hight to me so if Moria is 30 feet Absolom must be 10 (by that account).
btw: could moria with the help of Hogback have surgecly removed his legs and transplanted them to increas the range of his arms?
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how many feet too a meter again? is 3 feet slightly more or slightly less then a meter?
1 metre is 3.333333(goes on to infinity) feet. Because there's 100 cm in 1 metre, and 30 in 1 foot.
My dog did evolve, but now that he's more or less a Luffy-Dog, he's not going to evolve anymore. That's because we all know Luffy is where evolution stops. He's got 3 legs because he's a pirate dog. YARGH!
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Maybe there's a "Man Behind the Curtain"?
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… how much did you think it was at first? i mean he shrunk to half his original size....
Before I checked I thought they were dots on the spread.
Again, big, but nowhere NEAR as big as I thought he was at first. In fact, considering the OP world has mongoloids like the FF Destroyers, I dunno how he can even be considered 'large'.
GODDAMN I HATE HIS DESIGN.
sorry. slipped out.
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Guys, my brain just exploded.
Remember Moria's Motto?
What if the Moria we're seeing now is Moria's own shadow put into a giant Zombie? Technically, that would still be Moria, would it not? He could be SO DAMN LAZY that he makes his SHADOW work for him.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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@Fire Fist:
Guys, my brain just exploded.
Remember Moria's Motto?
What if the Moria we're seeing now is Moria's own shadow put into a giant Zombie? Technically, that would still be Moria, would it not? He could be SO DAMN LAZY that he makes his SHADOW work for him.
Mmm… not quite... Still we are not sure if the DF is kept within the shadows (but I think it is not). If that's a zombie-Moria, he use Moria's DF ability.
About the topic I think it is quite clear he is not from Elbaf (some way as Saulon).
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@Fire Fist:
Guys, my brain just exploded.
Remember Moria's Motto?
What if the Moria we're seeing now is Moria's own shadow put into a giant Zombie? Technically, that would still be Moria, would it not? He could be SO DAMN LAZY that he makes his SHADOW work for him.
i agree! the giant had stiches in his face,maybe he can tranfer to other bodies with his ability
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While I'd like to believe Moria's size is supposed to vary for one reason or another, I think Oda either changed his mind or initially drew Moria too big. Scaling errors have happened in the past, even with characters of established sizes.
If the more recent depiction is Moria's intended size, though, I doubt if he's of the same species/race as the giants seen before in the series, or a giant at all. He looks barely bigger than Whitebeard and his facial features are pretty far from those of the other giants (granted, this may be because of the horror theme of the arc). Looking at his first appearance now, he doesn't even look as big as I originally though, though still definitely bigger than in the last chapter.
i agree! the giant had stiches in his face,maybe he can tranfer to other bodies with his ability
That's actually a pretty cool idea, though in all honesty, I'm not sure how it could be used in the story, unless of course he somehow transfers his shadow into, say, Luffy's body* and becomes invincible or something.
*obviously Luffy cannot die, so unless Moria can put shadows into living beings without killing them, that won't happen.
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I don't think he's any kind of giant. He don't looks like one. I don't remember giants have horns :P? He more looks like a devil.
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@Fire Fist:
Guys, my brain just exploded.
Remember Moria's Motto?
What if the Moria we're seeing now is Moria's own shadow put into a giant Zombie? Technically, that would still be Moria, would it not? He could be SO DAMN LAZY that he makes his SHADOW work for him.
WoW, that's make sense, it could work..
Other reason: to prevent direct attack by strong enemy, like Brooke did to him/ TB 5 years ago.... Into The Wilderness of Advance Wind ..
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WoW, that's make sense, it could work..
Other reason: to prevent direct attack by strong enemy, like Brooke did to him/ TB 5 years ago..Hey, maybe that's the reason that Moria has those stitches on him? Cause Hogback made the body he's using now.
Interesting theory, though it has to get past the fact that we don't know if Devil fruits transfer between shadows. Although, if they don't it's possible that Moria's DF is an exception–as the "shadow" devil fruit.
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Hey, maybe that's the reason that Moria has those stitches on him? Cause Hogback made the body he's using now.
Interesting theory, though it has to get past the fact that we don't know if Devil fruits transfer between shadows. Although, if they don't it's possible that Moria's DF is an exception–as the "shadow" devil fruit.
So everybody that has stitches has a fake body? Come on… Stitches mean something, but I doubt they are for fake bodies. (Hodgback has stitches too am I right? it must means something...).
I would like the scene where Moria take off his shadow and put it in his new giant body... he cuts his shadows, he faints while putting his shadow in the new body... and hoping that the new body has no will at all to contrast his own willing... Naaaa... -
onemoment: theres another problem. as far as we know shadows dont transfer memories either. so transfereing a copy of his own soul into a zombie would create a rival not another body. (unless the whole deal why Moria can controll the zombies "physically" is explained)
daniz by removeing his shadow he wont be removeing his real soul. he will still reside in his original body (as far as the shadow fruits power has been explained) with a new copy that acts just like him.
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@gorlom: about that, we still dunno if Moria has a sort of power on the zombies (aka bodies with stolen shadows attached on); but we do know there are zombies that has shadow with a strong will that eventually can overthrone Moria's (dogpen been the smarter example I can give to you).
Still sorry but that's real Moria's body (maybe with upgrades due to the stitches). -
I'm sorry if i sound really random in a thread that seems to be having a serious discussion but..
How do you'all actually bear to take a second look at that guy? and to even analyse his size?
He's so freaking ugly i don't even wanna read that chapter again (even though it was quite interesting) and i usually re-read my chapters a few times, even the not-so-exciting ones.
I'm sorry; i was afraid of evil clowns when i was younger. Now I just hate them. (Buggy's alright he doesn't really have that "evil" image to me, just retarded.)
Back on topic, when i did read that latest chapter, i also noticed he seemed a little smaller than i originally thought. Probably scaling error, but all we know is that he does have a larger-than-normal sized body. I don't think he's from Elbaf though; he probably took his own shadow and placed it in a much stronger body created by Hogback or something. Though actually I doubt myself whether that would be the case (because after all, the "zombie" receiving the shadow doesn't really gain the original shadow owner's soul, it just inherits his personality and fighting abilities.)
Either way, he's WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too freaking ugly to be one from Elbaf. Like Usopp, i sort of developed some sort of respect for these giants ;p.
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i agree he's the ugliest shichibukai i've ever seen kinda reminds me of one of the villain in ppg. maybe he's a dwarf giant ridiculed for his size forcing him to become a pirate.
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Again, big, but nowhere NEAR as big as I thought he was at first. In fact, considering the OP world has mongoloids like the FF Destroyers, I dunno how he can even be considered 'large'.
If he had normal legs, the Destroyers would only be half as tall as he is. As is, they're somewhere close to being two thirds as tall. On the other hand, he's far, far more massive than they are; you could put all three of them together and they still wouldn't be as big as he is.
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Actually if you look at the scene where Luffy's shadow is stolen by Moria you'll notice the three servants are roughly half the size of Absalom, who's basically as tall as one of Moria's feet. There's not that much difference with Moria's first appearance. The three zombie servants are midgets, and Moria is a huge "man", slightly bigger than Whitebeard.
After checking that scene, I notice 2 of the 3 servents are standing on something while getting the light in the correct postion
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"Fire Fist" Ace I really like your theory, I think I know what happened with Moria.
Remember the first time we saw Moria, he had black, completely black, skin. A lot of people said it was just Oda's usual tease on us to not show Morias design, but what about the possibility of it beeing Morias shadow, maybe it's a Logia and he is shadow!! He was sleeping in his shadow form and now ,for the action, he entered the body of this strange-looking half-giant.
I don't know why he would do that, but maybe he doesn't have any strenght in his pure shadow form, and that's why he enters a body.
The hints are there, I mean in his first appearence he is completely black and looks different to now. His "body" has stiches, which shows that Hogback experimented on the body, and maybe he did so to make it perfect (even though he looks but ugly) for Morias true shadow form.
It's the same theorie that you had, I just wanted to add the fact of Moria's black skinn in his first appearance.End of theory
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well, he may be a giant and maybe not. I mean, look at Kumadori. he's tall but he isn't a giant. Same for those 3 members of Franky family. they were tall but not giants. the same can be said for Whitebeard.
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onemoment: theres another problem. as far as we know shadows dont transfer memories either. so transfereing a copy of his own soul into a zombie would create a rival not another body. (unless the whole deal why Moria can controll the zombies "physically" is explained)
daniz by removeing his shadow he wont be removeing his real soul. he will still reside in his original body (as far as the shadow fruits power has been explained) with a new copy that acts just like him.
We have seen four ZG that talking and have personality[ Taleran, Ryuma, Jigorouh, John]. As DF user, Moria could have some previleges that other zombie not. Just wait n see
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Doubt Moria is a giant
In the original Japanese script he is referred to (by Brooke) as a "大男" aka "Big man", where the Giants have been referred as "巨人"
Think that pretty much settles it.
On a side note, I ran across a comment on another OP forum earlier "I hate Moria's design, he's so ugly! I wish he can be like Sasori from Naruto, he looks so cool!"
I think I died a little inside.
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Naruto sucks. I hate it.
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As seen in the Longringlongland arc, there are such things as half-giants. Maybe that's what Moria is. Size seems about right.
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Doubt Moria is a giant
In the original Japanese script he is referred to (by Brooke) as a "大男" aka "Big man", where the Giants have been referred as "巨人"
Considering his sheer size, Moria probably is a giant, but is a dwarf as well; again, if he had normal legs, he'd be just as tall as Saul. There are other people in One Piece who come close to his height without being giants, but none of them are anywhere near as massive as he is.
On a side note, I ran across a comment on another OP forum earlier "I hate Moria's design, he's so ugly!"
I like the freak-show/Devil look myself, but I appear to be in the minority on that.
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In the original Japanese script he is referred to (by Brooke) as a "大男" aka "Big man", where the Giants have been referred as "巨人"
Best point thus far. If he was part giant it would probably have been mentioned.
I still don't think his size is anything too strange to the OP world when we've got people like the FF Destroyers running around.
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I guess Oda has problems with drawing the correct size, man
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The whole idea of shadow fruit being a logia and allowing him to enter dead bodies would be rather cool, as well as unexcepted… I mean, the whole mouth-gate outside looked the exact same as Moria's mouth in the first pictures. And it would be rather cool if the SHs ultimately defeat Moria by exposing him to sunlight or something. :p
But then again - if he could jump from one body to another, why wouldn't he just use his own shadow to reanimate #900? 320,000,000 fighting power > 300,000,000 fighting power! Well, maybe not if we look at guys like Bellamy... But his ego should make him do something like that! ><
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320,000,000 fighting power > 300,000,000 fighting power!
sorry… Narutard...?
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