Another one of this 12 swords is the shodai kitetsu
Where did we see that again? I don't remember that name.
Another one of this 12 swords is the shodai kitetsu
Where did we see that again? I don't remember that name.
Where did we see that again? I don't remember that name.
the only translation i can found is one compeltely wrong which even says sungday kitetsu. So I only can tell you that it's from the chapter 97 and it's mentioned after zoro's find the sandai kitetsu in the barrel.
The names means more or less
shodai kitetsu - first generation kitetsu
nidai kitetsu - second generation kitetsu
sandai kitetsu - third generation kitetsu
shodai kitetsu is a Saijou Oo Wazamono(there are only 12), nidai kitesu is a Oo Wazamono(there are only 21), and sandai kitetsu is a wazamono(lowest grade for a named sword)
As a sidenote there is a grade between OO wazamono and Wazamono which is tthe Ryou Wazamono and there are only 50.
All of this is explained in chapter 97.
If somebody has some doubts about all the swords that has appeared i'd like to post this
saijoo oo wazamono
-kokuto yoru(mihawk's)
-shodai kitetsu
oo wazamono
-nidai kitetsu
-shushui(zoro's new one form thriller bark)
-wado ichimonji(zoro's and kuina's sword)
ryou wazamono
-yubashiri(zoro's sword which was destroyed by that captain with the rust rust fruit)
-kashu(the sword tashigi stole from mr.11 in Arabasta)
wazamono
-sandai kitetsu
-shigure(tashigi's sword from loguetown)
there isn't any other swords confirmed to belong to this classification.
Agreed. If Akainu "Terminator" Sakazuki didn't kill him off, then there's no way I see the Blackbeard pirates doing it so soon. Maybe he's destined to die at some point, but definitely not now.
Aokiji's destiny is to be Fleet Admiral. It's so obvious. He's staying away from all the corruption, and he's openly stated that he doesn't like following AJ.
So who is in possession of the Shodai Kitetsu again?! I'm really confused.
So who is in possession of the Shodai Kitetsu again?! I'm really confused.
The owner's unknown currently. We only know that it does exist.
Shillew looks like the type of guy who would stab and torture stray animals as a child,and find pleasure in that.I mean,he was the head warden of the strongest prison in the world,and was noted for his enjoyment of prisoner killing sprees.plus,we all know how mentally disturbed prison wardens are…
So who is in possession of the Shodai Kitetsu again?! I'm really confused.
We don't know. Here's where it was mentioned (thanks for that btw)
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2204-13/one-piece/chapter-97.html
Though there are plenty of possible swords it could be. Neither of Shank's swords have been named, and neither has Shiliew's, and they're both strong enough to realistically have one of the 12 top swords. Though I do wonder why we've only had one identified yet, unless one of the Yonkou has like 6 or something, statistically we should have seen more than just Mihawk's by now.
So who is in possession of the Shodai Kitetsu again?! I'm really confused.
Most certainly the Elder Star with the white kimono. Either the Shodai or the Nidai. If you compare the grip of his sword to Zoro's kitetsu, they have many similarities. It's a very old theory.
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is he also in the manga cuz here U can't see it that well =( | |
seems legit =)
(though no 100% match)
Aren't the kitetsu Swords suppose to be cursed which make the user go in to a killing spree if not controlled well.
When Zoro was testing his Kitetsu at Wiskey Peak, he mentioned something about the swords uncontrolled urge to kill and goes on a killing spree.
I could Very well See Shilew holding shodai kitetsu since he kills for fun.
Plus him being one of the last opponents for Zoro.
! http://peacetheory.wordpress.com/vegapunk-working/blackbeard-pirates/
Has this been asked before?
Why did Teach pioneer Devil Fruit stealing himself, with one of the most powerful Devil Fruits out there?
–> Or in other words, why didn’t he have a fodder crew mate try it first, in case he failed and possibly even died? Remember the Blackbeard Pirates weren’t sure that it would work at all.
–> Why didn’t he try it on a Devil Fruit that was lame, in case he failed and possibly lost it? If he failed, he could have tried again and saved the Gura Gura no Mi for himself when the kinks got worked out.
Seems to me like either:
1. The first time would only work with Blackbeard.
–> We have no real reason to believe this but the possibility exists.
2. That it only works with Teach period (possibly due to his body composition).
–> This seems more likely because Marco specifically mentions that Teach is extraordinary in that respect.
And if 2 is indeed correct, then is Teach going to become some sort of wacky, 100 fruit ability user? It seems out of place, but would make for an amazing, funny yet impossibly difficult to beat last boss :D
Although I like the idea of Jozu's ability getting stolen by Shiryuu and Zoro needing to learn how to Cut Diamond to beat him way more than this.
! Why did Teach pioneer Devil Fruit stealing himself, with one of the most powerful Devil Fruits out there?
–> Or in other words, why didn’t he have a fodder crew mate try it first, in case he failed and possibly even died? Remember the Blackbeard Pirates weren’t sure that it would work at all.
–> Why didn’t he try it on a Devil Fruit that was lame, in case he failed and possibly lost it? If he failed, he could have tried again and saved the Gura Gura no Mi for himself when the kinks got worked out.
Neither of these possibilities are Teach's "style", as it were. The Blackbeard Pirates (at least the original members) have all been shown to heavily advocate the concept of fate; either it happens or it doesn't, it's all up to destiny (perfect example being Doc Q's explosive apples back in Mock Town). Trying this never-attempted anomaly with what is arguably the world's most powerful Paramecia fruit is exactly the kind of gamble that Blackbeard and his crew would take up; Blackbeard isn't one for slowly and methodically working his way up. His abilities took an incredible leap with the Yami Yami Fruit, and the time between him capturing Ace (the beginning of his plan) to busting out of Impel Down with his new crew (one of his big goals) couldn't be more than a few weeks. Waiting and testing and working out the kinks just isn't the way Blackbeard does things; he sees the world's strongest man on his last legs in front of him, why wouldn't he just go and give it a shot?
! > 2. That it only works with Teach period (possibly due to his body composition).
–> This seems more likely because Marco specifically mentions that Teach is extraordinary in that respect.
! This is the implication, yes. I stick to the idea (as do many others) that the Yami Yami Fruit allowed him to extract Whitebeard's ability, and his own atypical body structure allowed him to to absorb and take on his powers without dying.
! > And if 2 is indeed correct, then is Teach going to become some sort of wacky, 100 fruit ability user? It seems out of place, but would make for an amazing, funny yet impossibly difficult to beat last boss :D
! The possibility exists but we don't know if Blackbeard can take on any more abilities. The implication (the way I read it) was that he's absorbing powers and giving them to his crewmembers in order to power them all up. Not really sure how that's out of place.
! > Although I like the idea of Jozu's ability getting stolen by Shiryuu and Zoro needing to learn how to Cut Diamond to beat him way more than this.
! And if Teach is indeed absorbing powers and giving them to his crew as is implied, this is a possibility.
Possessing two Devil Fruit powers is already something that would normally kill a normal person. Would it really make sense for Blackbeard to risk his life to steal a crappy Devil Fruit, or risk it taking the most powerful one?
I just wanted to add:
In Databook Green, it's mentioned that BB's original name was going to be Everything D. Teach. Make of that what you will.
Czechmate, thank you so much for your response. I love it! In a lot of ways, your explanation is a little romantic, which is totally Oda's style.
I agree fully that Teach and crew most definitely believe in fate (evidenced by what you said + his conversation with Shiliew in ID). That said, I still can't get over his reverting to a wuss when Whitebeard had him gripped. I argue that as uncharacteristic as my propositions were, his reaction, too, is in direct contrast to the character of a man who believes fully in fate. If anything, Teach should've gone Luffy with it by smiling and resigning to the idea that he might die right then and there. Maybe that's why Teach is a bad D. :P But fate aside, Teach has always had a plan: be it his low-key demeanor on the Moby Dick or his pretty involved plan to infiltrate Impel Down, I argue that it never really seemed like he rushed in to anything.
Things are definitely lining up well for Teach, but for him to gamble away his life so quickly, at this point, seems a bit out of the ordinary. All that said, I can't disagree with anything you said and you gave me a ton to think about. I wanna work on it! Stuff like this is why I post here, so thanks again :D
Triceron - I agree with you 100%. He wouldn't use it himself on a crappy Devil Fruit; rather, if it were possible for his crewmates to also gather abilities (as a lot of people think), that he would have first tested it on a crew mate, on a crappy Devil Fruit, before testing it on himself on the grand daddy of Devil Fruits
And Preston, that is awesome. That lends credence to the idea that maybe Blackbeard will try to farm 100 abilities for himself :P However unlikely. Ha!
Hmm, what if he DID know it was going to work? The only indication we have that it might not is Shiliew, who was a member of the BB pirates for a few hours max at that point, so he simply might not have believed Teach when he said he could steal DF. Blackbeard explaining that to him might have been the reason he agreed to join in the first place, which would make his comment make sense as if it didn't work BB would have been lying and therefore Shiliew would have no reason to stay with him.
What if Blackbeard already stole someone's devil fruit and gave it to one of his crew mates. Laffitte has what i think is a low-grade devil fruit (Probably like a Pidgeon or bird Zoan), so its possible that Blackbeard hunted and killed someone who had that fruit previously and then gave it to Laffitte to test it out. Then the reason he didn't take any more is because he didn't want to risk anyone finding out that he could steal devil fruits.
Guys i don´t know if you ever thought of this:
Recently it was confirmed that the Blackbeard pirates are on a raid in the NW and they are after devil fruit users.
If i recall correctly the Gura Gura no ami and the Yami Yami no mi are the "strongest" of their kind.
So what if this hunt has only one reason: to establish Teach as the one and only with dangerous devil fruit(s).
It would make sense if you think about it that since Teach needs no strong competitors in the New World.
It is only a theory and i know it sounds weird, but hey why not?
Pretty sure it's been shown that any fruit can be dangerous in capable hands.
Pretty sure it's been shown that any fruit can be dangerous in capable hands.
And for that matter, that people without a Devil Fruit can still be extremely dangerous. Shanks, Garp, Mihawk, and Rayleigh are all top-tier fighters (or were top-tier fighters) without needing any sort of Devil Fruit. They're just that Badass naturally.
Blackbeard became Yonkou and took up most of Whitebeard's territory without using his devil fruit powers. It starts to make me wonder if he really permanently has those devil fruit powers, or if he's just taking them so no one can rival his own.
Blackbeard became Yonkou and took up most of Whitebeard's territory without using his devil fruit powers. It starts to make me wonder if he really permanently has those devil fruit powers, or if he's just taking them so no one can rival his own.
In some translations they say he used his DF powers
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v65/c650/8.html
Yeah, uhm, the correct translation blatantly references usage of Whitebeard's fruit.
What if Blackbeard already stole someone's devil fruit and gave it to one of his crew mates. Laffitte has what i think is a low-grade devil fruit (Probably like a Pidgeon or bird Zoan), so its possible that Blackbeard hunted and killed someone who had that fruit previously and then gave it to Laffitte to test it out. Then the reason he didn't take any more is because he didn't want to risk anyone finding out that he could steal devil fruits.
Laffietts powers don't seem like a 'normal' zoan.The fact the he was shown so far turning only his arms into wings and has hypno powers might imply that his powers are unique.
Could be Teach knows what powers he wants his crew to have cause of his experience in the new world,and knows which pirates to attack,that's why he waited up till know to start stealing and killing people for their fruits.
@Baou:
Laffietts powers don't seem like a 'normal' zoan.The fact the he was shown so far turning only his arms into wings and has hypno powers might imply that his powers are unique.
Marco is also able to turn only some parts of his body into wings/talons and he has special regeneration powers, but I don't think that Mythical Zoans are the only ones with this kind of privilege. Maybe they have more control over their fruits than other Zoans shown so far.
Marco is also able to turn only some parts of his body into wings/talons and he has special regeneration powers, but I don't think that Mythical Zoans are the only ones with this kind of privilege. Maybe they have more control over their fruits than other Zoans shown so far.
Wait…what, but Marco turned into a full fledged bird the moment he debuted?!?
Wait…what, but Marco turned into a full fledged bird the moment he debuted?!?
I'm pretty sure King Cannon was implying how Marco can turn portions of his body into his bird form, as opposed to turning into only the entire form (hence, his using "also"). I don't think he meant that Marco can ONLY be able to turn into portions of a bird…
...however, we have yet to see Marco turn into the hybrid form either, so who's to say if those few instances where he had bird parts (like clawed feet) were showings of that; hard to believe though, as most hybrid forms affect the entire body (and thus, aren't centralized to just one part of the body)...
@Baou:
Laffietts powers don't seem like a 'normal' zoan.The fact the he was shown so far turning only his arms into wings and has hypno powers might imply that his powers are unique.
Or maybe he just has an Owl-Zoan
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@Muda:
…however, we have yet to see Marco turn into the hybrid form either, so who's to say if those few instances where he had bird parts (like clawed feet) were showings of that; hard to believe though, as most hybrid forms affect the entire body (and thus, aren't centralized to just one part of the body)...
But he's been shown having multiple hybridized forms, meaning it's that he has control over making individual body parts human or phoenix. There were times when he had wings and talons, and other times when he had wings and human feet.
im a bit confused can bb have mroe than gura gura and yami yami.. and can he share tht frickin raw abaility?
Hmm, what if he DID know it was going to work? The only indication we have that it might not is Shiliew, who was a member of the BB pirates for a few hours max at that point, so he simply might not have believed Teach when he said he could steal DF. Blackbeard explaining that to him might have been the reason he agreed to join in the first place, which would make his comment make sense as if it didn't work BB would have been lying and therefore Shiliew would have no reason to stay with him.
What if Blackbeard already stole someone's devil fruit and gave it to one of his crew mates. Laffitte has what i think is a low-grade devil fruit (Probably like a Pidgeon or bird Zoan), so its possible that Blackbeard hunted and killed someone who had that fruit previously and then gave it to Laffitte to test it out. Then the reason he didn't take any more is because he didn't want to risk anyone finding out that he could steal devil fruits.
@Baou:
Laffitte's powers don't seem like a 'normal' zoan.The fact the he was shown so far turning only his arms into wings and has hypno powers might imply that his powers are unique.
Could be Teach knows what powers he wants his crew to have cause of his experience in the new world,and knows which pirates to attack,that's why he waited up till know to start stealing and killing people for their fruits.
He's the only member of the crew without nickname shown, so it's pretty clear that it's related to his DF and Oda does not want to give that away. Thus what you said can't be true.
Marco pretty much confirmed (by what we saw him do) that a user who has a good control over his zoan can turn any part of body at will. Another thing why it's pretty obvious that Laffitte had his fruit for a long time.
There aren't any birds that are related to hypnosis so if that power of his is coming from his fruit then it would probably be some mystical zoan.
We've seen the rest of the flying fruits (falcon, eagle, phoenix and levitation) so Laffitte's has to be either incredibly cool to stand above them or incredibly shitty…
Evidence so far shows that a fruit can only be taken out of a dead body. Shiliew was wondering if BB could eat the second fruit, not if he could take it out.
When I red about 10-9-8-etc fruits I just Stupidity knows no bounds I guess…
Still waiting for what 'Cresent Moon hunter" is supposed to mean for Catalinia.Unless it means that she gets uncontrollable homicidal tendencies when the moon is crescent shaped…. You heard it hear first...
im a bit confused can bb have mroe than gura gura and yami yami.. and can he share tht frickin raw abaility?
Apparently so, as Jinbei said that there was rumors about BB stealing powerful devil fruits from their users.
@Baou:
Still waiting for what 'Cresent Moon hunter" is supposed to mean for Catalinia.
I'm starting to think you are doing it on purpose…
@Al!naJames:
There aren't any birds that are related to hypnosis so if that power of his is coming from his fruit then it would probably be some mystical zoan. We've seen the rest of the flying fruits (falcon, eagle, phoenix and levitation) so Laffitte's has to be either incredibly cool to stand above them or incredibly shitty.
Hey, hey, hey, did you forget that I already dismantled this argument of yours a long time ago? Lafite the Mime-chan is probably an owl! An owl!
Owls have nothing to do with hypnosis. Apart from a pokemon thing which is not relevant at all. I've talked to Japanese people about it.
@Al!naJames:
We've seen the rest of the flying fruits (falcon, eagle, phoenix and levitation) so Laffitte's has to be either incredibly cool to stand above them or incredibly shitty…
Wait… what???:blink:
Ok. So not canon then.
Movies are viewed upon by Oda so it's still legit.
And Brennen… You called him a mime again...
Probably been stated, but Lafitte has an Angel ancient zoan df? Doesn't have much to do with Hypnosis but it's something
It's possible, but probably not since he is turning his hands into wings. And Oda already used angel theme for Skypeans.
It would be mystic hito-hito like Sengoku's, though.
He did deliver a messege during Shichibukai meeting and that is a meaning of word "angel". Same can be related to doves too…
On the other hand there's harpies who can hypnotize with their singing and his name comes from an old french word for "melody"...
It can really be anything, we'll never guess it.
There are already two characters that have hypnotic powers to some degree not connected to fruit power (goldenweek and jango) so his hypnotic powers dont need to stem from his fruit. Although I agree that it is still a possibility.
[hide]@Al!naJames:
Owls have nothing to do with hypnosis. Apart from a pokemon thing which is not relevant at all. I've talked to Japanese people about it.
"I've talked to Japanese people about it." Why does everyone assume a person of one descent must be an expert on their own culture simply because that is where they were born and/or where they live? I know a ton of people who know more about the history and culture of another country than many of the people who actually live there. Also pretty unfair of you to be deciding what is relevant and what isn't, no? As a self-proclaimed expert on Oda, you should be considering the fact that One Piece is crammed with pop-culture references. It's also a Shounen series. Pokemon and Final Fantasy are hugely popular, particularly in Japan, so I don't think it's a reach in the slightest.
Well anyway, rant aside, I'm not saying it is the owl fruit– that is, I'm not seriously arguing for it– I'm simply pointing out that, should Mime-chan have a bird Zoan, my best guess would be an owl, which is the only bird I know of with a connection to hypnosis, however distant. Not to mention other physic abilities and the obvious "wisdom" association. That's enough of that though. We can move on…[/hide]@Al!naJames:
On the other hand there's harpies who can hypnotize with their singing and his name comes from an old french word for "melody"…
I think you mean a Siren? That would actually be a perfect legendary Zoan for Mime-chan, excepting only that Siren's are traditionally women.
[hide]"I've talked to Japanese people about it." Why does everyone assume a person of one descent must be an expert on their own culture simply because that is where they were born and/or where they live? I know a ton of people who know more about the history and culture of another country than many of the people who actually live there. Also pretty unfair of you to be deciding what is relevant and what isn't, no? As a self-proclaimed expert on Oda, you should be considering the fact that One Piece is crammed with pop-culture references. It's also a Shounen series. Pokemon and Final Fantasy are hugely popular, particularly in Japan, so I don't think it's a reach in the slightest.
Well anyway, rant aside, I'm not saying it is the owl fruit– that is, I'm not seriously arguing for it– I'm simply pointing out that, should Mime-chan have a bird Zoan, my best guess would be an owl, which is the only bird I know of with a connection to hypnosis, however distant. Not to mention other physic abilities and the obvious "wisdom" association. That's enough of that though. We can move on…[/hide]I think you mean a Siren? That would actually be a perfect legendary Zoan for Mime-chan, excepting only that Siren's are traditionally women.
Sorry, I do not have anything against Pokemon, but it's like a childish game to me, I don't think Oda would use that to tie in a devil fruit. That's still a poket monster in the game, not an actual owl. He can't base a myth zoan off a 90's game, can he?
Besides, though Owls can be fully white, there are alot of different colours for them, primary gray, brown and white with black, it would be really weird choice out of all birds who are only found white in nature.
Siren and Harpy basically only differ by being ugly and beautiful. Siren can be mermaids, too, not just birds. While Harpies are always birds.
And he may be drawn after Yoko Kon (今陽子) , the female singer of the band Pinkie and the Killers, NOT Iwatani Tokiko (岩谷時子), the author of their most famous song "Koi No Kisetsu" (where is that confusion even coming from?!)
Tokiko:
Yoko Kon:
http://v.ku6.com/show/5gZaGYffmR5ZCrEI.html?loc=youce_tuijian
why does his hypnosis have to be fruit related?
Is it so hard to give him the swan fruit and have him hypnotize like Jango?
Hell even brook does some kind of hypnotism when doing his music.
@Al!naJames:
Sorry, I do not have anything against Pokemon, but it's like a childish game to me, I don't think Oda would use that to tie in a devil fruit. That's still a poket monster in the game, not an actual owl. He can't base a myth zoan off a 90's game, can he?
Well as long as you understand your opinion on the matter revolves around it being 'like a childish game' to you. It's not just Pokemon either, I also mentioned Final Fantasy, and there are other JRPG's I've played that follow suit. I didn't just pull it out of my butt, after all. Not sure why you are getting hung up on mythical Zoan though, it'd just be a regular bird Zoan. Assuming of course he has a bird Zoan at all. I'm not convinced myself.
@Al!naJames:
Siren and Harpy basically only differ by being ugly and beautiful. Siren can be mermaids, too, not just birds. While Harpies are always birds.
I've never known Siren's to be mermaids, but I see wikipedia lists them as "Sea Nymphs" and their lore originates with them luring sailors. They are generally represented as birdlike women. Harpies… I've never seen anything with them singing or hypnotizing or any of that, so I figured you mixed up the two since they are both mythological bird-people.
@Al!naJames:
And he may be drawn after Yoko Kon (今陽子) , the female singer of the band Pinkie and the Killers, NOT Iwatani Tokiko (岩谷時子), the author of their most famous song "Koi No Kisetsu" (where is that confusion even coming from?!).
Well, I never cared much about Mime-chan, but I remembered his design was similar to a Japanese (female) singer. I got the name from One Piece Wikia in my attempts to track down her name– that's where the confusion comes from, I guess. I figured it was wrong because Googling her name didn't give me any pictures to compare with. Thanks for clarifying.
Why does his hypnosis have to be fruit related?
It doesn't have to, but when Oda gives someone a Devil Fruit and a special ability, they usually go hand in hand. It's just guesswork, in any case.
Sorry to butt in, but how does having a bear-themed DF have anything to do with teleportation?
Maybe Lafitte's wings have a similar vague connection to his hypnosis.
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@cooldud_21:
Sorry to butt in, but how does having a bear-themed DF have anything to do with teleportation?
Maybe Lafitte's wings have a similar vague connection to his hypnosis.
Kuma doesn't have bear-DF though… He has a paw-paw fruit.
The Nikyu Nikyu no Mi is a Paramecia type Devil Fruit that bestows its user the ability to repel everything they touch, and is physically represented as paws on the user's palm
So… We meet again...
Welcome in the WTF did Laffitte eat topic.
I'm against the popular idea that Shillew will have the diamond fruit cause:
It'll ruin the coolness of his sword.Like,what'll be the point of having a high-grade metal if it can be turned into diamonds…Yeah....