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allright folks: go back to discussion. keep the profanity level low and don't use it to get your points across; you'd just end up looking like a dumbass.
keep the profanity going and i'm locking this thread, which means you kids won't have anything to discuss for 2 weeks since there is no chapter this week.
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When did Zoro dodge the lightspeed?
He's just dodging Kuma's attacks before they are fired.
Normal people can dodge gunfire by the same method, but that doesn't make them faster than bullets.
Show me a shot where the attack is already on projectile route to Zoro and he dodges.When did I ever say his DF is teleportation based?
You better be or your suggesting he can do it on magic or some ridiculous shit like that.
Which would be stupid.You do realize you have to explain that right? If its not a devil fruit power than the hell is it?
Your saying Kuma is moving around using his DF Paw Powers to move high speed, which is wrong. Because Zoro would have been able to follow his movements sense he can see and follow Kuma's attacks,
Because Kuma's attacks involve a direct range from hand to Zoro. That's easy to follow.
Kuma moving himself around is a whole different game.and 2 We know its a fact that Kuma takes off his Gloves to use his DF Paw Powers, but when he moved in an instant he had the Gloves on.
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-473/page015.html
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-473/page017.htmlToo bad we don't see his hands right before he does that huh.
Your not a very good troll, Trolltron 3030.
I told FFA and I'll tell you.
Dont diss if you can't.And frankly this is teh reality of the situation.
Nobody knows what he did. We all have speculation and nothing else.
You have no idea how speculation works if you think it's guilty until proven innocent. He's not a teleporter or a Devil Fruit mover to the best of our knowledge.
argue all you want, but don't act like your currently right.@e1n:
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allright folks: go back to discussion. keep the profanity level low and don't use it to get your points across; you'd just end up looking like a dumbass.
keep the profanity going and i'm locking this thread, which means you kids won't have anything to discuss for 2 weeks since there is no chapter this week.
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@Deltron:
When did Zoro dodge the lightspeed?
He's just dodging Kuma's attacks before they are fired.
Normal people can dodge gunfire by the same method, but that doesn't make them faster than bullets.
Show me a shot where the attack is already on projectile route to Zoro and he dodges.http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/484/12/
You can tell they're on path to Zoro since they're spread out distance wise. If he was aim dodging he'd be running in the second panel, right? Zoro definately seems to see the attacks then dodge them
Whether they're lightspeed or not is a whole other thing.
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I think Kuma's teleportation it may be using Biblicards to his own or another effect. Just assumption. Look how Kuma's bible vanished after he warped during his fight with Zoro, and he never used it again afterwards…. could be limited, or else he would have used it for every attack.
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@Trolltron:
When did Zoro dodge the lightspeed?
He dodge attacks being deflected at the speed of light. Thats what I meant to say.
He's just dodging Kuma's attacks before they are fired. Normal people can dodge gunfire by the same method, but that doesn't make them faster than bullets.
Show me a shot where the attack is already on projectile route to Zoro and he dodges.Wrong, Trolltron look at the Scans. Hell, I will even narrate for you.
Kuma attacks Zoro, Zoro does not dodge until Kuma fires his Air Paw.
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-484/page006.html
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-484/page007.html
You see Zoro does not move until he sees the Air that has been deflected coming.You better be or your suggesting he can do it on magic or some ridiculous shit like that.
Which would be stupid.I'm not suggesting anything when it come to that topic. Your just trying to put words down my mouth, Which is a B***H move.
You do realize you have to explain that right? If its not a devil fruit power than the hell is it?
I don't have to explain any thing Trolltron, Thats not the argument. I thought I charge your batteries before I let you lose on the forums again?
Because Kuma's attacks involve a direct range from hand to Zoro. That's easy to follow. Kuma moving himself around is a whole different game.
lol, let me use your PlogIC, So Zoro can follow Kuma's attacks which is air that is being being deflected at the speed of light which is smaller then Kuma and less visiable but Zoro can't follow Kuma's huge a$$ who is being move at the same speed? GTFO.
Too bad we don't see his hands right before he does that huh.
Yea, But we do know he has both Gloves on, and its fact that when Kuma use's his Paw Powers he take off the gloves.
I told FFA and I'll tell you.
Dont diss if you can't.U Mad Trolly?
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http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/484/12/
You can tell they're on path to Zoro since they're spread out distance wise. If he was aim dodging he'd be running in the second panel, right? Zoro definately seems to see the attacks then dodge them
Whether they're lightspeed or not is a whole other thing.
His "looking" comes after the hand movements, not the paw shots.
To me that suggests his little reaction panel is toward the one before it not after it.
He dodge attacks being deflected at the speed of light. Thats what I meant to say.
I knwo what you said.
Wrong, Trolltron look at the Scans. Hell, I will even narrate for you.
Kuma attacks Zoro, Zoro does not dodge until Kuma fires his Air Paw.
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-484/page006.html
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-484/page007.html
You see Zoro does not move until he sees the Air that has been deflected coming.How do you know what Zoro's looking at there?
Again it looks like he's reacting to the previous panel.If Oda wanted to show him reacting to the projectile he would put that panel BEFORE the reaction shot.
I'm not suggesting anything when it come to that topic. Your just trying to put words down my mouth, Which is a B***H move.
So how the hell does he teleport if not through a devil fruit?
I don't have to explain any thing Trolltron, Thats not the argument. I thought I charge your batteries before I let you lose on the forums again?
The hell?
And yes, to support your theory you have to….wait for it.....support your theory.
That means explaining how a guy can friggin teleport if NOT by Devil Fruit.lol, let me use your PlogIC, So Zoro can follow Kuma's attacks which is air that is being being deflected at the speed of light which is smaller then Kuma and less visiable but Zoro can't follow Kuma's huge a$$ who is being move at the same speed? GTFO.
Zoro's reacting to Kuma's movements, not the attacks he fires off. When Kuma's jutting his arm forward to shoot pressure he isn't moving at light speed, Zoro can see where he aims his hand and can tell the attack is going to come from there, dodges before the attack is fired.
Just like a real person dodging bullets by actually dodging the gun aim before the gun fires.
Yea, But we do know he has both Gloves on,
Show me where we see his hands.
The shots focus on his face right before he does it, and we don't see him right away on the other end. Nami's reaction is only after he starts talking, not to his actual physical appearace on the ramparts.U Mad Trolly?
I'm trying to help YOU not to embarass yourself with these awful puns.
Is a man mad when he tries handing tissue to the hobo who shits himself?
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Yeah, that's Capone – the one so many of us expected would be the first supernova to "go supernova" -- but now that we know what his DF powers are, I doubt many people want him to be the first to implode anymore. Not only is his power a lot of fun, but the way that Oda presents that power is fun, too. I mean, other mangaka could probably have come up with the people-inside-the-captain's-body idea (for instance, it was done somewhat similarly in an older episode of Samurai Jack) -- but only Oda could have added the extra silly touches: like the crew in Capone's eye, choking from the smoke of his cigar.
Bleh, I still hope for him to be the first one to go. He doesn't appeal to me in the slightest way and the creative DF doesn't change it.
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http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/330/09/
A few differences, but the zoro's look, picture of projectile order is the same. Maybe just how Oda does these things?
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@Trolltron:
I knwo what you said.
Ok…..
How do you know what Zoro's looking at there? Again it looks like he's reacting to the previous panel.If Oda wanted to show him reacting to the projectile he would put that panel BEFORE the reaction shot.
Zoro's reacting to Kuma's movements, not the attacks he fires off. When Kuma's jutting his arm forward to shoot pressure he isn't moving at light speed, Zoro can see where he aims his hand and can tell the attack is going to come from there, dodges before the attack is
fired.Look at the panels, 1st we see Kuma blast his hand forward, then we see Zoro's face and notice Zoro is not "just dodging Kuma's attacks before they are fired." (if that where true, Zoro would have dodged at that moment, but he didn't,) Then We see the projectile, then we see Zoro (a weakened Zoro at that,) dodge it.
I'll tell you what We don't see, Zoro's reacting/dodging due to Kuma's hand movements.
Zoro didn't even show any sign's or state that he could NOT follow Kuma's attacks, or that he needed to follow the movements of Kuma's hand, to dodge, s**t like that always gets stated in this manga. But Zoro does state Kuma teleports.
Hell, Zoro does it again…...
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/484/12/So how the hell does he teleport if not through a devil fruit?
Since when am I Oda's assistance? Not everything in the one piece world needs a DF power for it to happen, if that was the case, then Zoro would need a DF to perform Asura. BTW I don't care how Kuma teleports.
Just like a real person dodging bullets by actually dodging the gun aim before the gun fires.
No, real person has been able to dodge a machine gun by a skilled shooter just by avoiding the aim of the machine gun.
Show me where we see his hands.
The shots focus on his face right before he does it, and we don't see him right away on the other end. Nami's reaction is only after he starts talking, not to his actual physical appearace on the ramparts.I don't care how he teleports.
Is a man mad when he tries handing tissue to the hobo who shits himself?
Nay.That made me chuckle.
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Bleh, I still hope for him to be the first one to go. He doesn't appeal to me in the slightest way and the creative DF doesn't change it.
Why should any of them go? They're all awesome. Knowing Oda, I bet he'll let them all make it to the New World.
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Ah, we will see more new characters in the new world. Some have to fail, here, of course. In a movie, usually all fail but only a few survive.
What about a new crew mate for the SH? Anyone in sight? Maybe the ""bar maid"" ?
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Kuma could possibly have the paw thing's on his feet too, that would explain why his clones can't teleport. Maybe his boots don't have a shoe sole or something, who knows.
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@dwo:
Ah, we will see more new characters in the new world. Some have to fail, here, of course. In a movie, usually all fail but only a few survive.
What about a new crew mate for the SH? Anyone in sight? Maybe the ""bar maid"" ?
nope shes too hold plus is with silver
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@dwo:
Ah, we will see more new characters in the new world. Some have to fail, here, of course. In a movie, usually all fail but only a few survive.
What about a new crew mate for the SH? Anyone in sight? Maybe the ""bar maid"" ?
To be honest I see caime and Hachi joining.But they could be alot like guides.And maybe Hacchi learned some Coating skills from Silver.
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@Deltron:
Zoro's reacting to Kuma's movements, not the attacks he fires off. When Kuma's jutting his arm forward to shoot pressure he isn't moving at light speed, Zoro can see where he aims his hand and can tell the attack is going to come from there, dodges before the attack is fired.
I agree with most of Jinbei's previous post, but wanted to add to one area. In this ^^ post are you suggesting that Kuma can move at the speed of light due to his Paw Paw Fruit in addition to just shooting pressure at the speed of light? If that is so, and he "doesn't aim at the speed of light", then why could he not manage to follow Zoro's movements and just adjust his aim before he fires it off? Seems a little strange doesn't it? Guy can move at the speed of light and shoot off blasts at the speed of light, but is rendered useless because he takes so long aiming and not adjusting his arm to hit someone?
@Conversation:
Bleh, I still hope for him to be the first one to go. He doesn't appeal to me in the slightest way and the creative DF doesn't change it.
Why should any of them go? They're all awesome. Knowing Oda, I bet he'll let them all make it to the New World.
Both my best friend and I hope that most of the Supernovae (minus Kidd and Law) do not remain much longer as part of the greater story. Call them fodder or waste if you want, but I think their purpose was simply to show that other power exists out there and is struggling for more or less the same goal as our protagonists. I am not saying they will be captured necessarily, but that for the majority of the lot I wouldn't expect much from them aside from a cameo or two, or perhaps a cover story of their own. Bonney, for one, I expect to see a cameo of because of her comment about meeting them in the New World to smash their faces in. Kidd and Law staying for obvious reasons. Then again, I still have some other conflicting thoughts in my head about all of this ~~ but this seems to make the most sense to me right now.
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Both my best friend and I hope that most of the Supernovae (minus Kidd and Law) do not remain much longer as part of the greater story. Call them fodder or waste if you want, but I think their purpose was simply to show that other power exists out there and is struggling for more or less the same goal as our protagonists. I am not saying they will be captured necessarily, but that for the majority of the lot I wouldn't expect much from them aside from a cameo or two, or perhaps a cover story of their own. Bonney, for one, I expect to see a cameo of because of her comment about meeting them in the New World to smash their faces in. Kidd and Law staying for obvious reasons. Then again, I still have some other conflicting thoughts in my head about all of this ~~ but this seems to make the most sense to me right now.
Same here. As I said several times, I rely heavily on that tournament statement made by Shackey. Thus as always new people are introduced to show that the protagonists aren't the only ones who followed the way to this spot. Thus also some get eliminated and while others are introduced to come back later.
Therefore I certainly hope that some will fall because if everybody besides the protagonists survives the place where big shots are taken down, the Strawhats lose their special touch. Especially with an Admiral and Kumabots around. Poor coating or bounty hunters didn't yet came into play (which I hope will do too).
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Same here. As I said several times, I rely heavily on that tournament statement made by Shackey. Thus as always new people are introduced to show that the protagonists aren't the only ones who followed the way to this spot. Thus also some get eliminated and while others are introduced to come back later.
Therefore I certainly hope that some will fall because if everybody besides the protagonists survives the place where big shots are taken down, the Strawhats lose their special touch. Especially with an Admiral and Kumabots around. Poor coating or bounty hunters didn't yet came into play (which I hope will do too).
Gonna jump in and say that I too feel the same way. From the time I read there are a total of 11 supernovas (rookies) including Luffy and Zoro. I was like… ah cool, some interesting cannon fodder before we preceed on. This, doubled with the fact that we all knew Luffy would do something to the tenryuubito to force an Admiral to show up. Just too much evidence that some of them would have to fall here.
Exactly as you said, with all that's in stake here, it'd diminish everything the SHs struggled through up till this point if all the rookies got off the archipalego with some of them only getting a stern warning from Admiral Kizaru.
I'm personally hoping for some on-screen "captures" because I feel like Oda isn't into on-screen take downs sans our SH crew, but I am yearning to be proven wrong with the upcoming WB vs. Shichibukai confrontation. fingers crossed
Back to the rookies, I'm really wondering if we'll see Law and Kidd again. Right now, I'd say they've got the highest probability of returning, and Oda may just leave us to assume they faired similarly to the SHs. Wouldn't be surprised if the next time we see them isn't until sometime into the New World.
The remaining rookies, i'm not sure who else will make it in all honesty. I was never a fan of "Gang" Bege to begin with. While I found his fruit very interesting and cool, I wouldn't miss him in the least.
I had high hopes for Bonney being a female pirate captain in league with these other male rookies. It seems so rare (if ever) that there's a powerful female character. Was hoping she'd be it. Oh well. Also, I lost my respect for her when she said she'd crush the SHs in the New World while tucking tail and running. Don't get me wrong, it's completely understanding to hear an Admiral's coming and as a pirate, you have to protect yourself. But the way it was presented (in my opinion) was that it was just words she was mouthing off because she was that scared.The Downed Four (Apoo, Drake, Hawkins, Urouge). Didn't like Hawkins until his confrontation with Kizaru, now i'm hoping he'll survive, but it seems so convenient to dispose of these four. However, Drake is in this group, and he could be a great source of info as stated by many others. Time will tell.
well, that's all on my mind regarding the rookies right now.
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who says Bonney isn't strong
Her DF ability is probably the strongest out of all the rookies, and she could easily be physically strong as well.
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How is her DF ability stronger than Luffy?
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Back to the rookies, I'm really wondering if we'll see Law and Kidd again. Right now, I'd say they've got the highest probability of returning, and Oda may just leave us to assume they faired similarly to the SHs. Wouldn't be surprised if the next time we see them isn't until sometime into the New World.
I'm sure that we will see Law again. The first time he was introduced he seemed the most intreguing because in comparison the the entire rest he was practically doing nothing and yet be one of the top five. He simply had the most potential aura by my book back then and everything that happened eversince only supported that by my book.
Kidd on the other hand I would really hope to see go down now, because he has the highest bounty and it would be cool to see the top tier of the rookies go down by anyone's but Luffy's hand. If it weren't for that I'd hope to see more of him and his bizarre designed crew.
The remaining rookies, i'm not sure who else will make it in all honesty. I was never a fan of "Gang" Bege to begin with. While I found his fruit very interesting and cool, I wouldn't miss him in the least.
I still hope that he will be a victim to poor coating. There should be a reason why Rayleigh is considered a good coater so at least one other guy should fail because of that and I'd like for it to be Bege.
I had high hopes for Bonney being a female pirate captain in league with these other male rookies. It seems so rare (if ever) that there's a powerful female character. Was hoping she'd be it. Oh well. Also, I lost my respect for her when she said she'd crush the SHs in the New World while tucking tail and running. Don't get me wrong, it's completely understanding to hear an Admiral's coming and as a pirate, you have to protect yourself. But the way it was presented (in my opinion) was that it was just words she was mouthing off because she was that scared.
Or perhaps some super special meal only to be found at the Archipelago was in the making and Luffy spoiled her the pleasure.^^
The Downed Four (Apoo, Drake, Hawkins, Urouge). Didn't like Hawkins until his confrontation with Kizaru, now i'm hoping he'll survive, but it seems so convenient to dispose of these four.
I was actually intregued in Hawkins ever since his faith in magic got introduced simply because I wanted to know if it's some cheap tricks or something worth relying on. Nice to see it turned out as something cool. Apoo I liked for his design and now also for his attitude and powers. Urouge can go to hell as far as I am concerned.
However, Drake is in this group, and he could be a great source of info as stated by many others. Time will tell.
Drake at least I'm a 100% positive that we'll see more off simply because of the narrative reason that his DF appearance was not fully revealed. I can see no other reason but suspense here which means we should see it at some later point. Also the source of information thing makes sense. With three days to go a lot can happen. Empires, godlands and goverment islands have fallen in that time.^^
well, that's all on my mind regarding the rookies right now.
Well, that's what was on my mind. Not really an argument, but your post was so inviting for me to express some of my thoughts too.^^
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I'm gonna go out and say i'm 100% positive they will all make it to the new world as it currently stands. Unless we have a more of a fight showing off their powers more they will survive.
As Ivotas said with Drake in how he was shadowed and never got a good look at him. The same is with all the others. We sort of were teased a bit with each yet not showed enough to warrent them getting killed.
I'm just gonna guess Kizaru leaves and expects Kuma to be able to clean them off or take them in. Yet they should still be fine. They only really took a hit each from kizaru, and also you can see them as still being awake. It was just kind of like Odz first appearance and owning SH's.
But I mean we know Hawkins has 10 dolls. He has used 2, and has 8 more, or 10 more. Depending on what he meant when he said 10, whether he was counting the 2 he used or not. But Kizaru did a good job of showing off that he was strong and they were nothign. Mission accomplished. Now dealing with the coating and bounty hunters is another deal
Maybe Bonny, Capone, Urouge could any of them be succumb to the dangers. Just for reasons that Capone seems we have seen about the extent of his power. Small things in him and get big when leave him. Bonny just cause hard to imagine how the fight would be later on. Oda just showing us a sweet power but then taking it out off-screen. Urouge cause well he is just a bulk fighter guy and not too interesting. Plus I Don't think he was awake in last panal unlike other 3.
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How is her DF ability stronger than Luffy?
Dude, she could turn Luffy into a baby or a really old man. If he was in Gear 2 at that moment, he would probably break into pieces. On the otherhand, maybe Bonney could use a 10 year addon to his life (no not a time-skip), and he could become older, learning something like Gear 4. When he turns back into his old self he could then have a subconscious rememberance of being able to perform Gear 4.
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Dude, she could turn Luffy into a baby or a really old man. If he was in Gear 2 at that moment, he would probably break into pieces. On the otherhand, maybe Bonney could use a 10 year addon to his life (no not a time-skip), and he could become older, learning something like Gear 4. When he turns back into his old self he could then have a subconscious rememberance of being able to perform Gear 4.
This is the worst thing I've heard on this thread yet. Why would she age him ten years forward into the prime of his life? If you want to debilitate someone you turn them into a baby or a geezer. Making them 27 is about the stupidest thing you could do. Plus Gear 4 is gayer than Seastone Sanji.
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who says Bonney isn't strong
Her DF ability is probably the strongest out of all the rookies, and she could easily be physically strong as well.
No one said Bonney isn't strong to my knowledge. Maybe I missed it. Either way, Bonney's DF ability is what I call a "Gimmick" ability. It's seemingly "powerful" but always ends up being something that has no real "offensive" capabilities, and in a manga based on fighting, gimmicks work well for entertainment, but never help that character when it comes to some real situation.
I'm sure that we will see Law again. The first time he was introduced he seemed the most intreguing because in comparison the the entire rest he was practically doing nothing and yet be one of the top five. He simply had the most potential aura by my book back then and everything that happened eversince only supported that by my book.
I see your point here and I'd be thrilled to see Law again. I have nothing against him. I just feel like this is a great opportunity for Oda to leave us in suspense :)
Kidd on the other hand I would really hope to see go down now, because he has the highest bounty and it would be cool to see the top tier of the rookies go down by anyone's but Luffy's hand. If it weren't for that I'd hope to see more of him and his bizarre designed crew.
While I see your point here, considering that Kidd and Law were "grouped" together with the SHs, and then afterwards are the ones to confront the Kuma-bot, I'd say unless Kizaru finds them, that they're both safe.
Also, I like the idea that there's one crew that can be compared to the SH pirates in terms of co-operation, comradery, the little bit about looking for One Piece, and even in their bounties, and also that this crew has higher bounties.! Oh lordy, he said bounties, bounties aren't powerlevels
if you feel obligated or enclined to post a non-flammatory rebuttal to my statement, PM to me and let me know you've posted in the appropriate thread, and let's not derail this discussionOf course, I'm aware that Law's crew has this too, but at the same time, there's something very different about Law's crew.I still hope that he will be a victim to poor coating. There should be a reason why Rayleigh is considered a good coater so at least one other guy should fail because of that and I'd like for it to be Bege.
I really hope we see someone fall victim to a poor coating job as well. It seems like there's a build-up for it. It's funny, I can't convince myself one way or the other about if it will or will not happen. Damn you Oda ^_^
Or perhaps some super special meal only to be found at the Archipelago was in the making and Luffy spoiled her the pleasure.^^
hahaha… He may pull a page out of Toriyama's book, and we'll get Bonney proposing to Luffy and him asking what kind of meat that is ^_^
I was actually intregued in Hawkins ever since his faith in magic got introduced simply because I wanted to know if it's some cheap tricks or something worth relying on. Nice to see it turned out as something cool. Apoo I liked for his design and now also for his attitude and powers. Urouge can go to hell as far as I am concerned.
Drake at least I'm a 100% positive that we'll see more off simply because of the narrative reason that his DF appearance was not fully revealed. I can see no other reason but suspense here which means we should see it at some later point. Also the source of information thing makes sense. With three days to go a lot can happen. Empires, godlands and goverment islands have fallen in that time.^^
Yeah, i'm totally with you here. Drake seems to be a truckload of info waiting to be turned over in front of the SHs. As Hinscher said, I think there is something to Kizaru leaving the downed rookies to the Kuma-bot and then them escaping now that Kizaru is no longer there.
While I'd like this to happen, at the same time, I'd be disappointed that all the rookies are seemingly safe. Of course, this could be Oda's Red Herring, and thus some of the rookies will fall to ship-coating and bounty-hunters. The things we initially expected. 3 days is quite a long time in the One Piece World indeed :)
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Bonney could use a 10 year addon to his life (no not a time-skip), and he could become older, learning something like Gear 4. When he turns back into his old self he could then have a subconscious rememberance of being able to perform Gear 4.
What an unusual concept of aging and learning.
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yea by his reasoning if she ages anyone and they would have died in that time, whether disease, accident or being killed they should be dead then
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That possible but it seems that Bonney either makes you into a kid or into a old person though.
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Same here. As I said several times, I rely heavily on that tournament statement made by Shackey. Thus as always new people are introduced to show that the protagonists aren't the only ones who followed the way to this spot. Thus also some get eliminated and while others are introduced to come back later.
Therefore I certainly hope that some will fall because if everybody besides the protagonists survives the place where big shots are taken down, the Strawhats lose their special touch. Especially with an Admiral and Kumabots around. Poor coating or bounty hunters didn't yet came into play (which I hope will do too).
Actually, I think the entire introduction of the rookies is to make the Strawhats seem "less special." The Grandline and One Piece are treasures heard across the world, why should only the SHs be looking for it? Better yet, why are they the only ones in the world that can make it to the end of the Grandline, before the New World?
The supernova present a great new element to the story. They can be future enemies, jobbers, or better yet competition for the SHs. They serve to make the Grandline, New World, and One Piece a grander thing.
On that note, there's a strong possibility that some of these guys will fall. That's the backbone of this arcs tension–a drama of who lives or who "dies." However, I'm betting that everyone will survive this, to compete in the new world. We've gotten so much development for them, why waste it in one arc?
Also, what's this about bad coating? It's been suggested that only the fodder pirates are panicking to escape the island. For these supposedly great pirates to fall because they negleted to care for their ship is...stupid. Rayleigh may be the vice-Pirate King, but that doesn't mean he's the only good coater in town. I disagree with this idea.
And about Bonnery, shouldn't the deadly aspect of her fruit be obvious? She had age you to the point of being defenseless. If she's strong, fast, or smart enough to catch you in this ability then you're done for. Don't forget, she did use it on an entire group of marines, so she as least has the means to use this ability before an average man can get a shot off.
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Actually, I think the entire introduction of the rookies is to make the Strawhats seem "less special." The Grandline and One Piece are treasures heard across the world, why should only the SHs be looking for it? Better yet, why are they the only ones in the world that can make it to the end of the Grandline, before the New World?
The supernova present a great new element to the story. They can be future enemies, jobbers, or better yet competition for the SHs. They serve to make the Grandline, New World, and One Piece a grander thing.
On that note, there's a strong possibility that some of these guys will fall. That's the backbone of this arcs tension–a drama of who lives or who "dies." However, I'm betting that everyone will survive this, to compete in the new world. We've gotten so much development for them, why waste it in one arc?
I can't speak for Ivotas, but you actually hit the point in your statement. I've italicized the section in reference. It seems obvious the supernovas were introduced to serve as competition for the SHs going into the New World. But with the Yonkou, and Shichibukai, and probably already strong pirates living in the New World at present, adding an additional 8 crews to the fray seems too much IMO. That's why I'm expecting some of them to fall here on this archipalego. The other reason for believing that some of them will fall is because of the fact that they're on the World Government and Marine's door step, and coupled with the indicent regarding the tenryuubito, it seems that the Marines should want to make an example of pirates so that future pirates won't think they can just cruise on through without repercusions.
Of course, i'm aware that due to the WB incident, this could be a good excuse for why all of the rookies make it. I'd personally prefer for some of them to not make it.Also, what's this about bad coating? It's been suggested that only the fodder pirates are panicking to escape the island. For these supposedly great pirates to fall because they negleted to care for their ship is…stupid. Rayleigh may be the vice-Pirate King, but that doesn't mean he's the only good coater in town. I disagree with this idea.
I'm not sure myself about this, but I'm guessing right now that the downed four rookies will get away from Kizaru and the Kuma-bot, and since I want some of them to not make it, this seems like a bit of foreshadowing from Oda about how they'll be disposed of. It does seem kind of cheesy and a coup out in a way, so I'm betting something this lame will not be Oda's method.
And about Bonnery, shouldn't the deadly aspect of her fruit be obvious? She had age you to the point of being defenseless. If she's strong, fast, or smart enough to catch you in this ability then you're done for. Don't forget, she did use it on an entire group of marines, so she as least has the means to use this ability before an average man can get a shot off.
I'm not sold on her ability. We haven't seen enough of it, and to me, her ability will either be temporary like Blueno's Revolving Door or it will be something that requires the target to just not be paying any attention, or even both.
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This is the worst thing I've heard on this thread yet. Why would she age him ten years forward into the prime of his life? If you want to debilitate someone you turn them into a baby or a geezer. Making them 27 is about the stupidest thing you could do. Plus Gear 4 is gayer than Seastone Sanji.
Is it official that the change is completely instant? If he manages to struggle away in time he could stop most of the blow. Not a great idea, but its a thought. if Oda put some time into it, it could work.
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Is it official that the change is completely instant? If he manages to struggle away in time he could stop most of the blow. Not a great idea, but its a thought. if Oda put some time into it, it could work.
You should have said that earlier. Now it's not as gay as it originally was but, I'm still against any age Luffy using Gear 4. I doubt it will ever exist.
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I don't know why I bothered.
It's like trying to teach a dog, how to speak Spanish.
I'm not even going to bother rip that post of yours to shreds, it's too pathetically easy.
So in other words you got PWNED and you can't defend yourself.
I should get paid for this internet thing.@Deltron:
It's not the oldest battle? What abstract concepts did you struggle with before that?
I know you have a really hard time grasping the idea that text can be misleading and have various meanings, especially how you actually think every bit of dialouge means exactly what it says all the time, but I always thought irony and sarcasm was the oldest enemy of spergers.
Is it things that break patterns? Randomness? Is that your most ancient foe?
No, don't try to justify your ignorance with crap posting.
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Jewelry Bonney has a very interesting power, but against some people, it's useless. It's very useful against Marine fodder, because it negates all their training and incapacitates them. Against Robin, useless because her powers work based on her brain power rather than physical training. Against Usopp, not very effective because he uses his natural shooting talent and his wits to battle. Against logia users, useless because their powers don't depend on physical strength. Against people with overwhelming willpower, also useless because epic people are epic regardless of age.
As for the chances for escape for the Supernovas, Kizaru seems to have stopped paying attention to the guys he beat up, so they can now flee, unless the Pacifista stays to collect them. It'll be disappointing to have them be captured and imprisoned here, but the Pacifista aren't completely predictable. It'll be funny if Kizaru got on the island but captured no pirates.
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I think all u gusy are overanalyzing the coating job. Yes it was mentioned and yes it could be forshadowing but that just doesnt seem interesting at all and entirely predictable to see, which is NOT oda's style. I seriously think everyone needs to step back off the "One of them's gonna get a bad coating" Theory
And to the guy who said about gear 4 and bonney, i think he was just throwing an idea about luffy learning gear 4 out there. Not that bonney would do that in battle. Like if they meet up again and despite her earler statment they become friends, she could demonsrate her ability on luffy and turn him to 27.
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Jewelry Bonney has a very interesting power, but against some people, it's useless. It's very useful against Marine fodder, because it negates all their training and incapacitates them. Against Robin, useless because her powers work based on her brain power rather than physical training. Against Usopp, not very effective because he uses his natural shooting talent and his wits to battle. Against logia users, useless because their powers don't depend on physical strength. Against people with overwhelming willpower, also useless because epic people are epic regardless of age.
As for the chances for escape for the Supernovas, Kizaru seems to have stopped paying attention to the guys he beat up, so they can now flee, unless the Pacifista stays to collect them. It'll be disappointing to have them be captured and imprisoned here, but the Pacifista aren't completely predictable. It'll be funny if Kizaru got on the island but captured no pirates.
I was thinking that too, about Bonney. Also we know at least Urogue and Hawkins won't get captured, which means Apoo and Drake will probably escape too since they're all in the same area.
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Also we know at least Urogue and Hawkins won't get captured
If I remember right, didn't Hawkins say something like, "This is not my day to die"?
According to that, it simply means Hawkins will not die, but it doesn't necessarily mean that he won't be captured, no?
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But with the Yonkou, and Shichibukai, and probably already strong pirates living in the New World at present, adding an additional 8 crews to the fray seems too much IMO
Yeah, but who said the straw hats has to defeat all of those guys? It'd be very unrealistic ( and bad story telling) for Oda to do all that. I believe all the supernova will make it otherwise it was lame and pointless for Oda to introduce them in such a way. I think all of em are going to play some kind of role in the New World, big or small.
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So in other words you got PWNED and you can't defend yourself.
I should get paid for this internet thing.No, don't try to justify your ignorance with crap posting.
YOUR TELLING TALES!You'll notice I did anyway just to show Moria I could.
Now about the Supernovae, I just don't see some of them being simply fodder and showing how big the world is and all that stuff. It just seems lame especially considering how well-developed Oda is making these guys. I also think Oda is a much better story-teller than that. I have confidence by the end of this arc and maybe the next, Oda will have fully-fleshed out ALL these characters creating a masterful stroy where all these guys play a part (I'm taling about even their own fights here) and in the end, all these guys would be worthy of entering the New World. And we may even see them again in the great Pirate War. Ok, I know it's just Whitebeard's fight supposedly, but I wouldn't be surprised if other Pirates are dragged in. At any rate, I still think all these guys will play huge roles in this arc and maybe the one to come and am eagerly awaiting what's in store.
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Yeah, but who said the straw hats has to defeat all of those guys? It'd be very unrealistic ( and bad story telling) for Oda to do all that. I believe all the supernova will make it otherwise it was lame and pointless for Oda to introduce them in such a way. I think all of em are going to play some kind of role in the New World, big or small.
Come again. We've seen times and again that cool new guys get introduced only to fall while the protagonists keep progressing onwards. The rookies might not be the protagonists direct obstacles here but their introduction can hype other obstacles, such as the Admiral, as the Shichibukai, as bounty hunters or as poor coating. I don't why it should be lame for non-protagonists to fall. The basic narrative concept of storytelling in general is that the protagonists make the impossible possible and do that what others can't.
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Jewelry Bonney has a very interesting power, but against some people, it's useless. It's very useful against Marine fodder, because it negates all their training and incapacitates them. Against Robin, useless because her powers work based on her brain power rather than physical training. Against Usopp, not very effective because he uses his natural shooting talent and his wits to battle. Against logia users, useless because their powers don't depend on physical strength. Against people with overwhelming willpower, also useless because epic people are epic regardless of age.
If she turned any of the Mugiwara into babies they would be helpless.
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If she turned any of the Mugiwara into babies they would be helpless.
Amazing back up less statement. Do you also have any arguments that actually function as counter to the points brought in the post you quoted or are you just throwing in random emptyness?
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Jewelry Bonney has a very interesting power, but against some people, it's useless. It's very useful against Marine fodder, because it negates all their training and incapacitates them. Against Robin, useless because her powers work based on her brain power rather than physical training. Against Usopp, not very effective because he uses his natural shooting talent and his wits to battle. Against logia users, useless because their powers don't depend on physical strength. Against people with overwhelming willpower, also useless because epic people are epic regardless of age.
You're assuming being turned into senile old people or little kids only affects a victims physical and their cognitive abilities(skill,techniques,experience) remain intact.
Come again. We've seen times and again that cool new guys get introduced only to fall while the protagonists keep progressing onwards.
Who exactly are you talking about? I've seen this occur in series like Naruto and definitely bleach, but in OP the SH have Buggy&Smoker on their tail, Arlong&Croc who would probably seek revenge if they escape, while Wiper, the Shipwrights, Enel, CP9, Pell, even Moria and a few other guys are still out there doing their own thing.
So who are we talking about? The General Zombies? Fodder pirates?
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Amazing back up less statement. Do you also have any arguments that actually function as counter to the points brought in the post you quoted or are you just throwing in random emptyness?
I think mrkaizoku means that we don’t know enough about Bonnys DF, yet. Maybe she can heal her own damage very fast, because see have power about the time and can regenerate faster. Let’s wait and see what’s happen.
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So who are we talking about? The General Zombies? Fodder pirates?
I'm obviously talking about everybody with a cool design who gets defeated as the story progresses. This includes antagonists aswell as side characters (like Wiper and Pauly for instance).
Who exactly are you talking about? I've seen this occur in series like Naruto and definitely bleach, but in OP the SH have Buggy&Smoker on their tail, Arlong&Croc who would probably seek revenge if they escape, while Wiper, the Shipwrights, Enel, CP9, Pell, even Moria and a few other guys are still out there doing their own thing.
It doesn't matter if they are there and doing their own thing. The point I made is that at a certain point they either lost to the Strawhats (like Enel, CP9 or Moria) OR weren't able to get the job done the Strawhats did (like Vivi, Wiper, the Shipwrights or the FF). So yep, others pretty much fail at what the Strawhats are able to accomplish. Cool designs and creative powers don't save them from that fate. If they are not part of the protagonists themselves they won't be able to keep up at some point.
I think mrkaizoku means that we don’t know enough about Bonnys DF, yet. Maybe she can heal her own damage very fast, because see have power about the time and can regenerate faster. Let’s wait and see what’s happen.
Well yeah, that is exactly the elaborate explenation his statement was missing which made my reply in a somewhat demanding manner.^^
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I don't get it Ivotas. What are you trying to say? I'm having a hard time understanding what you mean. I want to say something, but I have to get what you're saying first.