this will end with the crews victory or skillful escape, they just have to win even with risk to their lives. U think any of them will just give up knowing that it may mean the end of luffy or even a few others. Even Nami would sell out her crew or ussop run away in fear. This fight is to show their ready for the new world.
Chapter 484 "Puni" Discussions
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Guys sorry if you discussed the argument before but I couldn't get through the whole thread.
Can someone please explain to me this paw paw fruit? I still have some problem understanding it. Please no speculation, just the devil power it's supposed to have. It really messes up my mind…
stephen's scripts translated Kuma's fruit as the Pad Pad Fruit (Kuma says he's a Pad Man)… dunno if this'll help you, but read on
No, but the fact that they have some random strong person showing up is.
I just wouldn't like it if Dragon showed up outta nowhere.
The deus ex machina is getting boring now.
It would be cool, but no, so many manga's have used that damn thing and I would hate OP to start that.
I hate to say this but… I really would like to see Luffy get captured or something. Just to mix things up.It's nice to throw around the expression of DEM when you're "bored" or "disappointed" with something in the story. But to give One Piece some credit, there actually aren't that many occurrences of DEM.
One of the most notable and only occurrences is Dragon's original appearance to save Luffy. Any other occurrence is pretty much summed up by either Luck or simply put, Luffy's perceivarance.
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^Or Merry coming from the "dead" to save everyone. I'm not sure it qualify though.
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I'm not sure to put that as creepy or DEM because they did have the little cover story for Merry. That was cool XD
I kinda think that Moria will come back or something, cuz unless someone like Red Hair or Dragon coming to help, I doupt they can take down Kuma. -
Why would Moria help, he'd just be one more problem…....
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and he's out cold. maybe someone from whitebeads pirates comes to tell luffy what happend to ace and saves them from kuma.but i will say next chapter going to blow our minds.
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Merry was NOT a Deus Ex Machina
that was a clearly planned ahead AWESOME plot deviceDEMs are typically used due to poor writing
and are simply used to make everyone have a happy endingA DEM would have been Merry being miracled fixed and so they could still keep him
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A Deus Ex Machina is a solution that comes from nowhere. The name comes from old greek theater in which sometimes a God (who was not referenced before in the plot) would appear out of nowhere and save the protagonists from a situation that otherwise would .
The Merry plot was first presented in Sky Piea, then explained as the Klabauterman by Franky in Water 7. We knew that it had a soul and that it was powerful enough to "fix" itself and talk to others. When the rescue in Enies Lobby, someone may say it is a far-tetched, unlikely or poor conceived plot element, but not a Deus Ex Machina (since it referenced previous events in the plot and, however unlikely, could be predicted).
Edit: A good example of a DEM in One Piece was Dragon's first appearance. He appeared in a single chapter in the middle of the Logue Town 'arc' and saved Luffy from Smoker. Then disappeared. However, since that arc was just a setup for things to come, many people overlook or praise that little Deus Ex Machina.
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That phrase needs to be banned from any and all anime forums, immediately.
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What I meant by Moria waking up is that I think if he did, he would be pissed that Kuma was attacking the strawhats. Well, that and he got his ass beat.
The Merry thing was uber cool, I was just saying that if they didn't get the little bit in Skypeia then yeah, it would be a what was previously stated.
I'm still at a loss of what will happen though, I mean we freakin' need a DEM to save the Strawhats. The only logical explination that I can think of for the Strawhats to survive this is for either Dragon or Smoker show up. Well… Maybe not Smoker. -
I'm sorry… really, really I am, but...
what? could you please explain just a little more?
Not intended for you. Do no fear.
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Well what about ussops kabuto?
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There will be no one coming to rescue them. Absalom, Brook will finish Kuma. It would be great if both did it and then join together :)
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Or everyone saves Luffy from explosion.. Then Luffy wakes up, comes to know from Kuma about his brother Ace and goes insane!!
So after declaring war to WG now he points to BB and all the Shichibukai and uses Jet Gigant Gatling against Kuma…
And all that happens is listened by the WG from a Den Den Mushi!!
Easy, don't you think? -
Or everyone saves Luffy from explosion.. Then Luffy wakes up, comes to know from Kuma about his brother Ace and goes insane!!
So after declaring war to WG now he points to BB and all the Shichibukai and uses Jet Gigant Gatling against Kuma…
And all that happens is listened by the WG from a Den Den Mushi!!
Easy, don't you think?Now that would be worthy of the term cliche:happy:
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Honestly even though people would gripe
Lufffy kicking SERIOUS ass due to hearing about Ace's defeat would be so BADASS
it would be fine:
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A Deus Ex Machina is a solution that comes from nowhere. The name comes from old greek theater in which sometimes a God (who was not referenced before in the plot) would appear out of nowhere and save the protagonists from a situation that otherwise would .
The Merry plot was first presented in Sky Piea, then explained as the Klabauterman by Franky in Water 7. We knew that it had a soul and that it was powerful enough to "fix" itself and talk to others. When the rescue in Enies Lobby, someone may say it is a far-tetched, unlikely or poor conceived plot element, but not a Deus Ex Machina (since it referenced previous events in the plot and, however unlikely, could be predicted).
Edit: A good example of a DEM in One Piece was Dragon's first appearance. He appeared in a single chapter in the middle of the Logue Town 'arc' and saved Luffy from Smoker. Then disappeared. However, since that arc was just a setup for things to come, many people overlook or praise that little Deus Ex Machina.
Adding to that Deus Ex Machina refers to the machine that kept the actor levitated. Deus=God Machina=Machine.
The Strawhats being captured and transfered to a prison sounds like a good scenario to me.
What if they meet people they know there?Don Krieg
Crocodile & Gang
Tom?
AceA lot of possibilities arise.
Prison Break anyone ? -
Adding to that Deus Ex Machina refers to the machine that kept the actor levitated. Deus=God Machina=Machine.
The Strawhats being captured and transfered to a prison sounds like a good scenario to me.
What if they meet people they know there?Don Krieg
Crocodile & Gang
Tom?
AceA lot of possibilities arise.
Prison Break anyone ?Don Krieg wasn't arrested. Was he? :blink:
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What I meant by Moria waking up is that I think if he did, he would be pissed that Kuma was attacking the strawhats. Well, that and he got his ass beat.
The Merry thing was uber cool, I was just saying that if they didn't get the little bit in Skypeia then yeah, it would be a what was previously stated.
I'm still at a loss of what will happen though, I mean we freakin' need a DEM to save the Strawhats. The only logical explination that I can think of for the Strawhats to survive this is for either Dragon or Smoker show up. Well… Maybe not Smoker.Oh ye of little faith…. Why not turn your worries to the "luck" of the SHP?
Mostly likely scenario IMO: shockwave takes out cannon fodder. SHP and maybe 1 or 2 of RP are left standing. Hogback and Absalom are also in the picture as the shockwave also got their attention. Remaining RP serve as distraction, Hogback and Absalom try to do something sneaky that further distracts Kuma. SHP make a run for it
No. Don Kreig was not arrested. I doubt we'll see him again... I also doubt we'll see Gin again, but in the Odaverse, only Oda knows...
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Maybe Kuma will K.O. himself with this latest attack
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KAMIKAZI!!!!
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Kuma wants to kill them ( especially Luffy ) not to imprison 'em.
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but the attack hes using won't atcaully kill them since hes meant to bring back moria to the wg
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If we are going to make guesses…
I think Usopp will absorb (part of) the explosion with the Impact dial. He (and anyone behind him, most probably Nami and Brook) will remain unaffected by the attack.
Brook will save Usopp & Nami from the next attack, using his super-speed. Also, Nami will use the Climatact's illusions to confuse Kuma, while Usopp tries to snipe him (without success). Usopp will eventually absorb more of Kuma's attacks.
Meanwhile, Hogback and Absalom will will set a trap to make Thriller Bark sink, and will try to escape aboard the Thousand Sunny.
Back to the fight, Zoro and Sanji will then get up even after the explosion and attack Kuma to distract him further. Both of them distract Kuma enough for Usopp, Nami, Brook and the others to carry Chopper, Robin and Luffy to safety. Franky also gets up and helps them reach the Sunny.
Meanwhile, Absalom and Hogback are taking the Sunny. Brook jumps into the ship and attacks them, throwing them out of the Sunny. The others aboard the ship.
Kuma, noticing that the other Strawhats have escaped, "teleports" himself to the Sunny. Taken by surprise, Usopp releases the full strength of the Impact Dial back to Kuma, sending him flying. Zoro and Sanji run for the Sunny.
Meanwhile, we find that the Rolling Pirates have escaped and aboarded their own ship.
As Kuma prepares to retaliate, he notices that he must either choose to pursue the Strawhats or save Moria from the wreckage of Thriller Bark before it sinks. Kuma chooses to save Moria, since he can't allow the Shichibukai to be further weakened.
The Strawhats escape.
heh, just made that all up. I doubt that this will happen (and I am one of those who wish to see Kuma be defeated by the crew), but anyway, it is a nice "could-have-been".
Edit: As an adendum: after being thrown out of the Sunny, Hogback and Absalom end up in the Brook's ship. Since the rudder (sp) is broken, they go adrift in the sea, but not before they also rescue Perona from the wreckage of Thriller Bark (she was just "thrown" at high speed back to the island, instead of "teleported" by Kuma as we though). So, the mysterious trio go adrift around the ocean, ready to appear in a future Cover Story (or maybe be rescued by Buggy's crew?)
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Is the rolling pirats ship still docked at TB?
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I have no idea. Just came up with that. I mean, I was making all of that up, and just came to me that I was forgeting about the Rolling Pirates, so I made that up so that the SH's would not appear to have abandoned them. I think it is usual for the no-name helpers to escape when we think they are gone and done, like the Franky Family in Enies Lobby.
Edit: As an adendum: after being thrown out of the Sunny, Hogback and Absalom end up in the Brook's ship. Since the rudder (sp) is broken, they go adrift in the sea, but not before they also rescue Perona from the wreckage of Thriller Bark (she was just "thrown" at high speed back to the island, instead of "teleported" by Kuma as we though). So, the mysterious trio go adrift around the ocean, ready to appear in a future Cover Story (or maybe be rescued by Buggy's crew?)
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Wait, when Ussop uses the Impact dial, wouldn't all the stored up power kill Ussop? I mean it almost killed a guy like Viper and he used it like 3 times.
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That was the reject dial though… supposedly more powerful then the impact dial (wonder if impact has some limitation like in it's storage capacity, or if the reject just amplifies any impact it absorbs?)
Besides Usopp can take any amount of punishment, as seen in alabasta.
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I guess it's a little late for me to ask this, but why wasn't the chapter thread posted as "Squishy"? Isn't that what "Puni" means? Not that it's a big deal or anything. Just curious.
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So what you're asking is if they were attacked by a giant squishy ball?
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No. That's not my question at all Coolnerd89. I'm asking about the title not the point of the chapter. Okay? :)
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What does "Suishy" have to do with the Chapter,anyway?
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What does "Suishy" have to do with the Chapter,anyway?
It was the sound effect for when Sanji kicked Kuma in the face. The fact that it was squish and not something that would seem more appropriate for someone being kicked in the face will probably be significant later.
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Yeah,but naming it after one litle panel of no importance in the chapter itself is kinda-eh.
Well,Oda stil tends to name chapters with new characters "CHARACTERS NAME" when they realy only apear on the last 2-3 pages,as well,so we cant be picky.
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If I had to guess at this point, there are actually a few possibilities. I really think that soon one the Straw Hats will die and this is the perfect time to do so. We have seen Smoker and Tashigi in a while, but note they can't really do anything, they are weaker than most of the Strawhat Crew and couldn't do anything against Kuma. I don't think Gecko Moria is getting back up, I'm pretty sure hes down and out as far as it goes now. Even if he wasn't the blast would kill him. There's always a possibility that somehow the blast was stopped, but Luffy can't move, and none of the other characters can really do a thing at this point. Unless Ace comes alone and stop the attack (and hes probably dead from the fact the Blackbeard is Shichibukai), what would be really cool is if Blackbeard came and intervened, but they are in the middle of nowhere in a way, though they are either in, or on the brink of the New World, so maybe we'll see one of the Youkou, Shanks maybe, come and help out. Really there are tons of possibilies on what could happen now… I doubt anyone can take down Kuma though... Then again, Brooks might be able to stop the attack with his body since nothing else can penetrate it... or something... He might sacrafice himself as a debt repayer which would actually be really cool...
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Yeah,but naming it after one litle panel of no importance in the chapter itself is kinda-eh.
YET THAT IS WHAT HE DID
puni = squish
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I predict Dragon will save the day in the next episode. It's probally the only possible way for the Straw hats to escape.
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this chapter isn't as good as 482/83
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If I had to guess at this point, there are actually a few possibilities. I really think that soon one the Straw Hats will die and this is the perfect time to do so.
Are you sure you're reading One Piece :P? Noone dies (except flashbacks), and i bet noone will.
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Merry died, I think that shows hes not afraid to kill off characters. Really, Merry was part of the crew, it even had the spirit and everything…. Though it wasn't as crucial as everyone else, I think its saying others will die.
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Are you sure you're reading One Piece :P? Noone dies (except flashbacks), and i bet noone will.
_Would you hurry up and untie these ropes?
Billions: Don't be ridiculous.
I'm going to open up a free Number Agent seat.Mr. 11: Hey!! No, wait!!!
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Marines: Damn!! A flaming net...!!
Thanks to him, we totally lost sight of the Straw-Hat crew. What should we do, Captain?!
Someone killed Mr. 11 when we left him on the ship, too._http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter159.txt
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Yeah, but Mr.11 wasn't an important character. I'm wondering if Hogback and Absalom might have a role to play. The scene between the two a few chapters back couldn't have just been random space filler. Either they will do something to mess up Kuma, or they have a cover story coming up.
On an unrelated note, it's no one, not noone. That misspelling has been driving me crazy, it sounds like you are holding the o one none.
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Merry died, I think that shows hes not afraid to kill off characters. Really, Merry was part of the crew, it even had the spirit and everything…. Though it wasn't as crucial as everyone else, I think its saying others will die.
He just "killed" merry off so that they could get a bigger boat with lots of new cool gadgets.
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Maybe he should kill off Usopp so the Strawhats could get a Giant Sniper from Elbaf with lots of cool gadgets.
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@Kaimei-Karasuhebi:
Maybe he should kill off Usopp so the Strawhats could get a Giant Sniper from Elbaf with lots of cool gadgets.
Reminds me of that theory that Ussop is actually a "baby giant" and will gradually grow larger over time.
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No coment to that.
And "Puni"-I stil cant see what Oda was realy geting at.
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_Would you hurry up and untie these ropes?
Billions: Don't be ridiculous.
I'm going to open up a free Number Agent seat.Mr. 11: Hey!! No, wait!!!
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Marines: Damn!! A flaming net...!!
Thanks to him, we totally lost sight of the Straw-Hat crew. What should we do, Captain?!
Someone killed Mr. 11 when we left him on the ship, too._http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter159.txt
Are you trying to prove something important here?
Sorry, seriously, no deaths in this manga. -
what do you mean by no deaths? be more precise.
at this point atleast mr 11, the alabasta guards that drank the magic water and pirates that got killed by raiders in skypiea has died outside of flashbacks.
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I guess they mean like, IMPACT and really big deaths. Like, BIG deaths, that would be a hard blow to the fans of the characters.
Though I think that was a bit obvious. scratches head