Nami's fear for Kuma comes from his encounter with Perona.
And what a gruesome encounter it was. Perona's fate was worse then any other chacters on the show.
Why did Oda do it to her?
Nami's fear for Kuma comes from his encounter with Perona.
And what a gruesome encounter it was. Perona's fate was worse then any other chacters on the show.
Why did Oda do it to her?
I choose Zoro cannt beat Kuma bandwagon because it's just logic of story :
every powerful enemy deserve great arc to be defeated , and if an powerfull person suddenly appear than he win or not end fight - it's a rule , and Blackbread , AoKiji , Smoker , Garp , Mihawk under that rule , even when CP9 agent first fight strawhats they win . And why Kuma will be an exception?
Okaaaay, Kuma now. Crap, this is gonna be a pain.
Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, Zoro basically HAS to win this. Why? His vow, of course. He said he'd never lose again back at Baratie. From what I know of Zoro, he'd rather commit seppuku than go back on his word. This is just my analysis, but I'm confident that he's more than capable of handling a Shichibukai. After all, the man can lift buildings and cut steel.
It was already discussed I do believe but you can see that he has been defeated by Aokiji, Mr. 3(pretty much), and Kaku. It's more to swordsmen. He wants to be the greatest swordsmen so he won't lose to other swordsmen.
As for him being strong enough to beat a Shichibukai, I don't know about that. The examples of lifting buildings and cutting steel are not that great of achievements in the Shichibukai's case. Anyway, I'm sticking with Zoro won't win. It wouldn't make any sense and it would create a large mess of things.
Too bad the man already got his good share of fighting trough this entire Arc.
After handling the zombie of the world's greatest swordman (Dumbed down, but still a decent rival due to Brooke's shadow) and being hitted by a Giant Zombie with Luffy's shadow, I doubt Zoro has enough strength to handle this in his own.
Anyways, I think this is the only time where Robin has a chance to clutch someone to death. After all, I doubt Kuma's teleportating will leave Robin's arms floating in the middle of nowhere if she manages to sprout some on him.
and Kaku.
That's more of a Crocodile thing.
Like I said, though, It's my objective opinion and I definitely respect yours. I think he's developed far enough to take on a world power, but only time and Oda will tell.
Also pertaining to Kaku, I think it means overall, he won't lose. Also, what exactly do you mean by a Crocodile thing? Do you mean like the first time they meet very strong opponents, they lose?
But anyway, as Kaimei said, fighting a zombie as strong as you are and then fighting a giant zombie that moves like Luffy and then gainst stretching abilities when Moria gets in the fight is a bit much to handle, even for him. Even Luffy would be too worn out to fight that many strong opponents without resting for a good while. To me, it wouldn't make much sense for him to win, but I do wonder how this will turn out. Every week it's the same thing, we get a great chapter(usually) and it still leaves you wondering how the next one will come out usually with the same enthusiasm.
Also, what exactly do you mean by a Crocodile thing? Do you mean like the first time they meet very strong opponents, they lose?
I basically meant he EVENTUALLY beat the guy, but was mostly taken by surprise the first time.
@VL7:
Deus ex machina for the win…....
Frankly, I'm hoping Enel will march into Thriller Bark with his army of moon gophers..
Then Kuma is forced to fight Enel, and he proves Luffy's point about their being people on the blue seas who could beat him, as Kuma puts the fear of God into the man who thinks he's god…
Ok, unlikely, but funny if it happened. Speaking seriously now, a few points...
Many people are assuming that Kuma is going to try and kill Hogback/Abs. But who's to say that will happen? Sure, he was ordered to silence everyone, but that obviously doesn't include Moria, since the government wants him to remain a Shichibukai. So why would he kill off Moria's remaining crew members? Assuming they still want to work for Moria, there'd be no point. Of course, if Hog and Abs try to abandon Moria and flee, it's a different story.
If Zoro was fresh, I think he might have a chance against Kuma. All the Straw Hats together sans Luffy would definitely have a chance, I think. But with the state they are now, I don't think they really have much of a hope.
Kuma just saw the Straw Hats take down Moria. He knows they are strong. He also told Moria that no battle is certain, so I'm guessing Kuma is fairly cautious. The government knows Moria is down, they just heard the news. And yet they ask Kuma to get rid of the Straw Hats, and he says "easy."
I'm guessing that despite his lower bounty, Kuma is at least as strong as Moria, perhaps far beyond him in terms of pure fighting power. Either that or there's something really weird about his abilities that makes him certain he'll win.
I guess the Straw Hats can be glad that he didn't join the battle earlier at least. Facing both at once would have been doom.
On a side note, it's interesting to know that Moria at one time rivaled a Yonkou. Of course, it seems that Kaidou surpassed Moria, and Moria was not only defeated all his crew was killed. I'd be quite interested to learn exactly what happened, but I'm not sure how Oda would work it into the story.
i'm hoping zoro beats kuma but if the strawhats teamed up and beat him i would also be happy. would be cool if usopp was the one that dealt the final blow with a reject dial that he whipped together from a few impact dials.
Nami's fear of Kuma seems a little forced.
Wouldn't get scared with Kuma's presence as well? I mean, the guy causes more goosebumps than Moria or Odz.
Zoro was beaten by non swordsmen before.So theres no need for him to win against Kuma.
I think if Zoro does beat Kuma, it will have to be after a long fight with everyone else to wear him down a little… because Luffy was defeated a few times before he was able to finally take down Luchi and Crocodile... and Zoro already took battle damage.
In my opinion, Kuma won't OHKO Zoro, but Zoro'll need the help of the crew and some tenacity if he is going to beat a Shichibukai.
i'm hoping zoro beats kuma but if the strawhats teamed up and beat him i would also be happy. would be cool if usopp was the one that dealt the final blow with a reject dial that he whipped together from a few impact dials.
Hey guys, my name is Kuma, and I'm about to get my broad-chined, jew-nosed ass beaten by an already weakened atheist below my level and his long-nosed, jackass pal.
change of paaaccccceee.
Uh I have no idea whats going to happen >_> Oda has a way of completely doing the opposite of what I think. Mind you, I don't mind that as it keeps me on my toes.
I have to say, Kuma is shaping up to be a pretty cool character.
It does seem a little strange to have a Shichibukai beaten as a side note, but I do think that it is impossible. I mean just before Moria was taken down Luffy had said the following to his crew.
Luffy: Hey, everyone!! There's no more time!! I'm going to be a little reckless!!
Luffy: Whatever happens later, I'll leave it in your hands!!!
Having a Shichibukai being taken down by a Strawhat other than Luffy shouldn't be unacceptable. Giving over opponents such as the Admirals, Vice Admirals, Shichibukai and maybe even a Yonkou, probably not them, would simply go to show just how dangerous Luffy's crew as a whole has become to the World Government.
On a side note, it's interesting to know that Moria at one time rivaled a Yonkou. Of course, it seems that Kaidou surpassed Moria, and Moria was not only defeated all his crew was killed. I'd be quite interested to learn exactly what happened, but I'm not sure how Oda would work it into the story.
Well, Kaidou is a Yonkou which means that not only is he immensely strong, but his crew is too. After all, Shanks had a new recruit with a 94 Million bounty, which was very close to Luffy's at the time. This just shows us that the Yonkou have a vast amount of resources and power at their hands so Moria might have been close to Kaidou's strength, but as a whole his Pirate Crew wasn't nearly strong enough acompared to Kaidou's.
Just an observation.
Man, Zoro just gets no respect here. A guy who is arguably in the same league as Luffy getting no respect…..Wow.
Man, Zoro just gets no respect here. A guy who is arguably in the same league as Luffy getting no respect…..Wow.
Same league or not, Zoro is worn out by all the shit that has been going on at Thriller Bark, and Kuma wasn't involved with anything yet, so he is at full battle readiness, no way Zoro can conjure up a miracle win this time…..
Change of paaace!
The moment Kuma appearde at TB I thought that it would be a good thing to have two Shichibukai taken out in this arc - well perhaps Kuma will not beeing taken down, he has an ideal means of escape …. but I´m sure he will not have his way at TB. Zorro (and the rest of the strawhats) should definately be able to stall him. Don´t forget Zorros goal is Mihawk who surely will be ranked way above Kuma. If Zorro couldn´t at least delay and pressure Kuma he should give up hope. No Zorro hasn´t done that much up to now: His battle with Brookes shadow was intense but short and against Odz he was only part of the action.
Kumas abilities are already revealed and even if Zorro can´t finish the job alone there is still the the "smart brigade" of the strawhats that could give Kuma a hard time (if Oda let´s them).
Also pertaining to Kaku, I think it means overall, he won't lose. Also, what exactly do you mean by a Crocodile thing? Do you mean like the first time they meet very strong opponents, they lose?
But anyway, as Kaimei said, fighting a zombie as strong as you are and then fighting a giant zombie that moves like Luffy and then gainst stretching abilities when Moria gets in the fight is a bit much to handle, even for him. Even Luffy would be too worn out to fight that many strong opponents without resting for a good while. To me, it wouldn't make much sense for him to win, but I do wonder how this will turn out. Every week it's the same thing, we get a great chapter(usually) and it still leaves you wondering how the next one will come out usually with the same enthusiasm.
But Luffy is right now.
Seriously, I even doubt that Luffy's Gears would be useful at all against Kuma.
Wait, why the fuck are people thinking that Zoro is going to fight Kuma?
@Cyringohn:
Wait, why the fuck are people thinking that Zoro is going to fight Kuma?
Yeah, it was more like Kuma going to kill Zoro…
Okay, why are they even thinking that? Didn't see anything in the RAW that shows that Kuma is out to get Zoro or something.
Kuma isn't going to be defeated. I have no proof but it's pretty much guaranteed something is going to happen and their "fight" will be interrupted and not finished.
@Cyringohn:
Okay, why are they even thinking that? Didn't see anything in the RAW that shows that Kuma is out to get Zoro or something.
ya you need to read the chapter properly… last page, last panel
@Cyringohn:
Okay, why are they even thinking that? Didn't see anything in the RAW that shows that Kuma is out to get Zoro or something.
Gohn, have you tried looking at the scanlation? Last page:
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Thanks, Gorlom. Forgot to check to see if there was a scanlation or translation. Will just chalk it up to being wasted on oxycodon.
We need to learn more about Kumas powers and its limitations, right now I don't see how he could be beat if he can just teleport all over the place and kick peoples asses without even touching them…....
@Cyringohn:
Thanks, Gorlom. Forgot to check to see if there was a scanlation or translation. Will just chalk it up to being wasted on oxycodon.
:wassat: have you been wasted since 21st? when Kudou put up the translation in that section?
Zoro about to take on Kuma, that should be good.
Yeah, untill Sengoku's daughter appears and kicks Kuma's ass..
Yeah, the last Schichibukai, the owner of the enigmatic goat….
Who let you out of the dumb predictions thread kaimei? get back into your cage!
When compared with a heavily bleeding mouth and aching teeth, checking on the latest One Piece chapter has been the least of my concerns, Mr. Gorlom.
On Topic: it's nice to see that Bartholomew is a pimp son of a bitch. But yeah, I'm pretty sure that neither side will win, and the Strawhats will end up fleeing. Kuma will attempt to pursue, but he'll be told by the WG to wait for whatever reason.
I'm sorry I have no idea what that oxy stuff is and i seldom read the "how was your day" thread. (incase you have written anything in there)
Sounds like hell. hope you get better soon =)
Man, Zoro just gets no respect here. A guy who is arguably in the same league as Luffy getting no respect…..Wow.
No respect? The man just fought two of extremely tough battles with another Shichibukai showing up. He's tired, beaten down, and just not up to par right now. Imagine if Luffy fought Lucci and then Moria right after that. Not going to work.
@Kaimei-Karasuhebi:
But Luffy is right now.
Seriously, I even doubt that Luffy's Gears would be useful at all against Kuma.
Fighting? I thought Luffy was still knocked out from using both Gears.
And yeah, we still don't know what Kuma can really do.
Don´t forget Zorros goal is Mihawk who surely will be ranked way above Kuma. If Zorro couldn´t at least delay and pressure Kuma he should give up hope. No Zorro hasn´t done that much up to now: His battle with Brookes shadow was intense but short and against Odz he was only part of the action.
Kumas abilities are already revealed and even if Zorro can´t finish the job alone there is still the the "smart brigade" of the strawhats that could give Kuma a hard time (if Oda let´s them).
1. Why should he give up hope? He couldn't beat Oz on his own, but he tried anyway. Zoro will try, but I doubt it will amount to anything.
2. When were Kuma's abilities revealed? All we know is that he acn seemingly "teleport", he can make people disappear, he has incredible strength, and he has a record of being an especially brutal pirate.
3. I doubt the rest of the Straw Hat crew can do much more. They are all very tired after the last fight….pretty much.
@VL7:
Same league or not, Zoro is worn out by all the shit that has been going on at Thriller Bark, and Kuma wasn't involved with anything yet, so he is at full battle readiness, no way Zoro can conjure up a miracle win this time…..
I seen Zoro in worse shape, besides Zoro damage soak is Godly.
I got a crazy idea in my head. While the Shs escaping would make the most sense, I realize that this way out leaves a fatal flaw–don't they have to have some kind of send off? Just escaping Kuma would cheat us out of the typical "joyous leaving the island" scene that we always get. Also, what's going to happen to all those zombie corpses? Seems lame to just leave them in a pile, rotting to death--especially after what we've been through with the likes of Lola and Cindry. Someone should bury them or burn them.
Of course, this stuff could be handled by the minor characters like the old man with the wound...of course Kuma's going to try to kill that guy too isn't he?
Well, my theory is that Kuma will somehow be driven out of Thriller Barque, without actually being beaten by one of the current SHs (I mean, c'mon, people are acting like Zoro and Sanji didn't get knocked the fuck out a few chapters ago. Those guys couldn't beat a CP9 by now much less a shichibukai.). By what, I dunno. I'm bringing back my "Moria's going to get back up" theory.
Barque, without actually being beaten by one of the current SHs (I mean, c'mon, people are acting like Zoro and Sanji didn't get knocked the fuck out a few chapters ago. Those guys couldn't beat a CP9 by now much less a shichibukai.). By what, I dunno. I'm bringing back my "Moria's going to get back up" theory.
You are acting as if Odr with Moria wound not have OKed Luffy ass well. If Luffy didn't have the Nightmare Power Odr with Moria would have beat Luffy as well.
You are acting as if Odr with Moria wound not have OKed Luffy ass well. If Luffy didn't have the Nightmare Power Odr with Moria would have beat Luffy as well.
No….I didn't mention Luffy at all.
No….I didn't mention Luffy at all.
You saying Zoro & Sanji got KOed a few chapters ago (By Odr with Moria), implys that Luffy would not have been, but if you didn't mean that, my bad.
I'll make a statement, Zoro will beat Kuma,
someday.
@onemoment its called Thiller Bark….
I think they escape from TB or the ship crashes into Fishman island causing mass confusion and then leading to their escape. If that happens a couple of things will result from that Kuma mission will fail ShP will get a bounty raise and they will spend there time in fishman island in hiding and then being able to discuss the problem Usopp had brought up and thus leading to some type of way they can elevate their powers. Or abs and hogbak step it and interfere some way or thiller bark ends up sinking from what NM did.
You saying Zoro & Sanji got KOed a few chapters ago (By Odr with Moria), implys that Luffy would not have been, but if you didn't mean that, my bad.
That's called retelling past events. Zoro and Sanji did get KOed…temporarily...a few chapters ago by Odz. Luffy wasn't there, so I didn't mention him, and I never implied how he'd perform in the same situation.
My point is, Zoro and Sanji and hurt, bad, and have been hit with attacks that are stronger then anything they've ever felt. Odz could have beaten any given SH in anywhere between one to three hits, and almost did. With that in mind, I feel that having them fight any serious opponent would be unrealistic. For example, do you think Zoro and Sanji could beat Kaku and Jyabura in their current condition? Or what about Lucci? Kuma is probably stronger then all of those guys.
Change of paaace!
The moment Kuma appearde at TB I thought that it would be a good thing to have two Shichibukai taken out in this arc
yes,sure,were waiting 200 chapters (ergo-more then 4 years) for him to re-apear and he has to be taken down after a damn 25 pages of re-apearance.
That's called retelling past events. Zoro and Sanji did get KOed…temporarily...a few chapters ago by Odz. Luffy wasn't there, so I didn't mention him, and I never implied how he'd perform in the same situation.
My point is, Zoro and Sanji and hurt, bad, and have been hit with attacks that are stronger then anything they've ever felt. Odz could have beaten any given SH in anywhere between one to three hits, and almost did. With that in mind, I feel that having them fight any serious opponent would be unrealistic. For example, do you think Zoro and Sanji could beat Kaku and Jyabura in their current condition? Or what about Lucci? Kuma is probably stronger then all of those guys.
I don't know about Sanji, but I have I seen Zoro in worse shape, besides Zoro damage soak is Godly, & in there current conditions yea, they can beat Kaku & etc. Zoro has a chance…..if he didn't, I don't think he would tell the Crew to stay back, he will handle this.
I don't know about Sanji, but I have I seen Zoro in worse shape, besides Zoro damage soak is Godly, & in there current conditions yea, they can beat Kaku & etc. Zoro has a chance…..if he didn't, I don't think he would tell the Crew to stay back, he will handle this.
You really think that Zoro and Sanji could beat Jyabura and Kaku right now? I don't know how that would work at all. Also, Zoro would be telling them to stay back because that's his job. He is the First mate, and if the Captain was out(as he is now) I doubt he would justsit back and say "you handle it" or something.
he chalenged Mihawk during Baratie and swam naked during an ice storm on a winter island,plus hes the guy to whom "go straight" arent "clear enough instructions".You realy should learn NOT to trust his judgement by now.
You really think that Zoro and Sanji could beat Jyabura and Kaku right now? I don't know how that would work at all. Also, Zoro would be telling them to stay back because that's his job. He is the First mate, and if the Captain was out(as he is now) I doubt he would justsit back and say "you handle it" or something.
Yea, but im not trying to trun this thread into a vs thread. Your right, Zoro would not say "you guys handle it," but if he didn't have a chance, Zoro would not tell the crew to sit back, but instead welcome there help, Zoro is not dumb when it comes down to stuff like this. (Thats what I think) This Arc could be like Alabasta but instead of Luffy & Zoro geting bounties they both beat a Shichibukai.
At any rate, no matter how bad he will be losing, he'll still look badass during the whole fight until he drops into a pool of his own blood :D