Chapter 474 "Gotta Do It" Discussion
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like ACE!
no
not really
he's deadOh, but his spirit lives inside of Cindry and she will not only be the last strawhat, but fuel for incest slash for the next decade.
Which is why I am starting a fan group advocating Luffy x Cindry-Who-Is-Really-Ace-But-He's-Dead-And-Has-Better-Hips-Now.
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@Fire Fist:
That's because Enel wasn't in the Grand Line…
And yes, I'm making a logical assumption on this. Please think reasonably, people. Oda already stated that the three strongest groups on the Grand Line are the HQ Marines, the Yonkou, and the Shichi. Since the Marines and the Shichi have a truce, it's most plausible Kaidou is a Yonkou.
Soo… tell me how did you rule out him beeing a marine? or someone of power but without interest in global politics (like someone protecting their home like the shandians did)
Kaidou made Moria realize he needs to become stronger. Kaidou doesnt need to still be standing in Morias way. He just needs to be something to motivate Moria to grow stronger (so that he can get his revenge).
Hell Kaidou could even be a shichibukai even if that seems unlikely.
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Now that many mention it, it kinda makes sense that Arlong, being the second in command, felt extremely offended at the thing of Jimbei joining forces with humans, so yeah, the fishmen leaving Jimbei or asking him to stop being their captain would be the same that the SH leaving Luffy if he becomes a sadistic bastard who gives up in his dream to do random piratecy around the world..
Anyways, Kuma's ability could pretty much allow him to command entire fleets like Whitebeard and Don Krieg around the world while Flamingo stikes me as the kind of cocky bastard who doesn't have the need to tag along crewmates due to the ability of (probably) controlling entire crews….
My crazy theory for the ending of this arc is that Luffy will attempt to stop Kuma from escaping and then, after touching Kuma, he will be teleported to Dragon's current location....
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@Kaimei-Karasuhebi:
My crazy theory for the ending of this arc is that Luffy will attempt to stop Kuma from escaping and then, after touching Kuma, he will be teleported to Dragon's current location….
I highly doubt that
: "The World's Government lap dog…the epitome of a proper Shichibukai " will teleport Luffy to the WG's most dangerous man...for all I care anywhere but not to Dragon. That would just be counterproductive.
I guess Kuma won't interfere at all, he's just an observer, the eyes of the WG. The Strawhats probably won't see him at all. (except for Nami of course) -
Luffy should be fighting Kuma. In that way, learn about the fate of his brother Ace. Why else would Kuma ask Nami about it, if it's not gonna be used? I predict a fight between the bear and the Monkey D. Luffy.
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I wonder if Blackbeard is still gunning for Luffy now that he has become a Shibukai. After all, isn't that why he was gunning for Luffy in the first place? Also, Doesn't being a Shibukai me you are supposed to disband your old pirate crew? How will Van Auger, Doc Q, Jesus Burgess and Laffite be handeled?
Its kind of hard to do that job without having a crew.
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Luffy should be fighting Kuma. In that way, learn about the fate of his brother Ace. Why else would Kuma ask Nami about it, if it's not gonna be used? I predict a fight between the bear and the Monkey D. Luffy.
I agree. There's no way that Luffy won't learn something about Ace.
Kuma mentioned it to Nami, so even if they don't get any more info on it, Nami would still tell Luffy that Kuma mentioned it and then they would look into the issue.And Kuma said that the news of BB becoming a SHBK was known all over the place and probably the fact that he beat Ace as well. So Luffy, at the latest, will find out at Fishman Island.
Unless Nami and the crew hide it from him.
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I agree. There's no way that Luffy won't learn something about Ace.
Kuma mentioned it to Nami, so even if they don't get any more info on it, Nami would still tell Luffy that Kuma mentioned it and then they would look into the issue.And Kuma said that the news of BB becoming a SHBK was known all over the place and probably the fact that he beat Ace as well. So Luffy, at the latest, will find out at Fishman Island.
Unless Nami and the crew hide it from him.
The only reason they would hide something like that from him is because they'd be scared of his reaction.
Which I highly doubt, since they've been through so much.I think Nami will just tell him about another shichibukai being there, mentioning Ace, and then Luffy will just pass it by for now. But if he get's anything more than that….well, I wouldn't be able to tell ya what he'd do.
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Luffy is lost at the moment right? Maybe Kuma will teleport to him and tell him of the news.
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@Kuso:
Luffy is lost at the moment right? Maybe Kuma will teleport to him and tell him of the news.
I doubt Kuma even knows where the hell Luffy is XD
And he's just observing, anyway.
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Kuma cant do anything/much if you just dont answer his question.
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i had a theory before kuma teleported perona, and that was the only way moria wud give up utterly and ditch his ego and pride wud be if he were somehow inadvertantly setup [not thru a trickery of words like earlier with the sanji zoro zombies] but with the negative ghosts hitting him causing him to not want to be the master of anything.
but now i guess that doesnt fly. but then again may i ask again, why is it that they need moria to say "uncle" when brook got his shadow back via killiny ryuuma and the sh crew is convinced purifying oz will also give luffy his shadow back and fight during the day.
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I'm hoping that the spoilers are just late :/
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Great chap.
Does the kuma's [kuma bibble's] power need the target to answer kuma's question ("if you would go to a holiday…"). that's what it seems from moria's reaction.
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The fact that Whitebeard is known (to those who met him at least) to never forgive the act of killing a crew mate might be one of the reasons why Kuma thinks Blackbeard being a Shichibukai might eventually lead to the balance being worse off than before. Unless he expects Whitebeard and Blackbeard to stalemate and with no 'opportunities' taken by other members of the World Powers of that likely encounter.
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@bluebird47:
i had a theory before kuma teleported perona, and that was the only way moria wud give up utterly and ditch his ego and pride wud be if he were somehow inadvertantly setup [not thru a trickery of words like earlier with the sanji zoro zombies] but with the negative ghosts hitting him causing him to not want to be the master of anything.
but now i guess that doesnt fly. but then again may i ask again, why is it that they need moria to say "uncle" when brook got his shadow back via killiny ryuuma and the sh crew is convinced purifying oz will also give luffy his shadow back and fight during the day.
Luffy promised that old guy he'd rescue everybody's shadows. It's gonna be a it tough defeating all those zombies and rescue everyone's shadows before sunrise especially since they still have to defeat Moria and Oz. Not to mention there's still Sanji and Zoro's shadows to get back.
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where did you read that Moria has to say "uncle" Bluebird?
Moria has to order the shadows to return to their original owners.As kingoffans say makeing Moria give the order rescues everyone he has stolen shadows from, while just beating Odz, Jigorou and Dog-penguine will only save Luffy, Zoro and Sanji.
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Luffy will defeat Moria somehow, but the problem is I can't see HOW.
If Moria has to give the order, he can just keep getting his ass whooped and not utter a word. Luffy won't kill him, and even if he did, then the order will never be given, plus Luffy wouldn't threaten to kill him because then Moria would refuse to give the order out of spite.
I think the only way to get Moria to declare the order is to defeat his pride. His pride is currently in his best zombie, Oz, because it seems he's putting all of his chips in becoming the Pirate King through that zombie. If the Strawhats defeat Oz, then Moria might give the order.
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Gear 3 into Odz stomach should do the trick…. that would leave the shrink Luffy at the mercy of Kuma, who will talk a bit about Ace, before getting the beatdown after Luffy goes back to normal....
then again, that is not going to happen, since Kuma will probably run or sent Luffy somewhere else......
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My prediction? Luffy is fighting Oz and Moria then Kuma just randomly comes along and tells him Ace was killed/kidnapped and what not. Luffy remains immbile for a few seconds. Oz takes this opportunity to pummel Luffy to oblivion. Before he has the chance Luffy hlds his fist and flips him over! Then Luffy goes all Ape Shit all over Thriller Bark till Moria gets the shit scared out of him and he orders the shadows to return to try to calm him down but alas to no avail and Luffy jet pistols his Leeky head to hell and back. It probably won't happen but wouldn't it be cool if it did?
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My prediction? Luffy is fighting Oz and Moria then Kuma just randomly comes along and tells him Ace was killed/kidnapped and what not. Luffy remains immbile for a few seconds. Oz takes this opportunity to pummel Luffy to oblivion. Before he has the chance Luffy hlds his fist and flips him over! Then Luffy goes all Ape Shit all over Thriller Bark till Moria gets the shit scared out of him and he orders the shadows to return to try to calm him down but alas to no avail and Luffy jet pistols his Leeky head to hell and back. It probably won't happen but wouldn't it be cool if it did?
…..yes. yes it would.
that's kinda what i wanna see most - luffy so enraged for whatever reason that no one can even TRY to stop him, and he pwns the living hell outta everyone in sight.
and bluebird, they wanna beat moria cuz if they do that, ALL, the shadows return, vs beating up each guy individually fer each shadow separately. more bang fer yer ass-whoopun'.
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I don't want no trouble but does one piece come out this week? thank you!
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^^ Same here.
No spoiler yet.. Im starting to get scared :ninja:
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Do we even get a new chapter this week - it's a bit too strange with no spoilers :/?
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Every one is So Pumped Up About This Week Chapter :)
I'm Sure There Will Be A Chapter This Week
i can wait to finally see luffy Getting Serious in this Arc :D
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hmm….you must wait,it's Tuesday
hope there is one this week...can't wait...:ninja: -
there aren't any Bleach an Naruto Spoilers…no jump this week?
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I'm sorry but I've never been so pumped up for a chapter before lol if there is no jump this week I will cry =( but I have waitn longer for a chapter before…it's just this one is gonna be kick ass!
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My prediction? Luffy is fighting Oz and Moria then Kuma just randomly comes along and tells him Ace was killed/kidnapped and what not. Luffy remains immbile for a few seconds. Oz takes this opportunity to pummel Luffy to oblivion. Before he has the chance Luffy hlds his fist and flips him over! Then Luffy goes all Ape Shit all over Thriller Bark till Moria gets the shit scared out of him and he orders the shadows to return to try to calm him down but alas to no avail and Luffy jet pistols his Leeky head to hell and back. It probably won't happen but wouldn't it be cool if it did?
Even Zorro would get scared at his own captain, seeing Luffy totally demolishing Moria into a bloodiest pulp in OP history, but still holding back enough not to kill him….. I wonder if Oda did this, how would it turn out?
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Something I couldn't help noticing: Kuma used Rob Lucci as an example of how no fight can be 100% guaranteed. To me, that suggests Kuma held Lucci's battle ability in high regard. If so, this turns defeating CP9 into a real feather in the Straw Hats' cap. The World Government/Navy saying CP9 in general and Lucci in particular are powerful is one thing. But to have a member of the second World Power also acknowledge Lucci's power is another.
I found this interesting, if for no other reason than it makes for a switch from the next villains almost always regarding those before them as utter weaklings.
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Something I couldn't help noticing: Kuma used Rob Lucci as an example of how no fight can be 100% guaranteed. To me, that suggests Kuma held Lucci's battle ability in high regard. If so, this turns defeating CP9 into a real feather in the Straw Hats' cap. The World Government/Navy saying CP9 in general and Lucci in particular are powerful is one thing. But to have a member of the second World Power also acknowledge Lucci's power is another.
I found this interesting, if for no other reason than it makes for a switch from the next villains almost always regarding those before them as utter weaklings.
wasnt that mostly just because EL has stood as an unchallanged stronghold for a few centuries and Lucci just happened to be the strongest person there (before the buster call)?
they never expected EL to fall and Lucci was the last line of defense that could prevent it from falling if it was ever attacked.
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Something I couldn't help noticing: Kuma used Rob Lucci as an example of how no fight can be 100% guaranteed. To me, that suggests Kuma held Lucci's battle ability in high regard. If so, this turns defeating CP9 into a real feather in the Straw Hats' cap. The World Government/Navy saying CP9 in general and Lucci in particular are powerful is one thing. But to have a member of the second World Power also acknowledge Lucci's power is another.
I found this interesting, if for no other reason than it makes for a switch from the next villains almost always regarding those before them as utter weaklings.
I think it's because Lucci was basically the pride of CP9. I mean first the Vice Admirals mention him and now Kuma does as well. I'm guessing the World Goverment and Marine higher-ups held him in pretty high regard. Lucci to me would seem that if he was a pirate, he'd be able to make it into the New World. On the other hand, if he was a marine, he'd be a high ranking officer.
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To me, that suggests Kuma held Lucci's battle ability in high regard. If so, this turns defeating CP9 into a real feather in the Straw Hats' cap.
Whoever said that defeating CP9 wasn't a great accomplishment is dumb.
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@Cyringohn:
Whoever said that defeating CP9 wasn't a great accomplishment is dumb.
Besides, this generation of CP9 was said to be the strongest anyway. So it's not just Lucci, it's beating all of them that was a great accomplishment.
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@Kidany:
I think it's because Lucci was basically the pride of CP9. I mean first the Vice Admirals mention him and now Kuma does as well. I'm guessing the World Goverment and Marine higher-ups held him in pretty high regard. Lucci to me would seem that if he was a pirate, he'd be able to make it into the New World. On the other hand, if he was a marine, he'd be a high ranking officer.
In general, he was highly regarded because of his tenacity and loyalty. He truly believed the doctrines of the World Government to the letter and carried them out swiftly and efficiently. He was the model employee, basically.
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He was the model employee, basically.
Rob Lucci: Pirate Scum Murdering Psychopath Of The Month.
Sorry. My contributions are always this minor.
Only without pick axes and rocks.
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Rob Lucci: Pirate Scum Murdering Psychopath Of The Month.
Yeah, that's what the World Government does, and Lucci does it in spades.
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Yeah, that's what the World Government does, and Lucci does it in spades.
There was no disagreement.
The man is yellow and porously pot marked just like Spongebob. His Wall Of Fame is no doubt comparable.
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wasnt that mostly just because EL has stood as an unchallanged stronghold for a few centuries and Lucci just happened to be the strongest person there (before the buster call)?
No it wasn't ;-)
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Don't worry. HxH 263 spoilers were released yesterday so there is OP this week.
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Don't worry. HxH 263 spoilers were released yesterday so there is OP this week.
I knew they were just late! :P
Thank you for existing, HxH! xD I might even consider watching you now.
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HxH 263?! Holy crap, it's back? Man, I gotta check that out…
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HxH 263?! Holy crap, it's back? Man, I gotta check that out…
Yes, for 3 weeks already…
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2 weeks. 263 wont hit stores untill next monday. (although we will probably get it this week.)
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Don't worry. HxH 263 spoilers were released yesterday so there is OP this week.
Well that would just mean that the Weekly Shounen Jump is being this week. It could be that One Piece was pulled or something, but I don't think the incident a few weeks back is all that common, so it probably might be out this week. Spoilers aren't always out on Tuesdays in the first place.
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oh late spoilers, how you tempt me and make meh cry.
this chapter should be a doosie. i wanna see what the bearster is gonna do.
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My prediction? Luffy is fighting Oz and Moria then Kuma just randomly comes along and tells him Ace was killed/kidnapped and what not. Luffy remains immbile for a few seconds. Oz takes this opportunity to pummel Luffy to oblivion. Before he has the chance Luffy hlds his fist and flips him over! Then Luffy goes all Ape Shit all over Thriller Bark till Moria gets the shit scared out of him and he orders the shadows to return to try to calm him down but alas to no avail and Luffy jet pistols his Leeky head to hell and back. It probably won't happen but wouldn't it be cool if it did?
That would be quite cool. Although, I think that he could beat Moria without going Gear 2nd to be honest.
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Don;'t worry people I'm sure we'll get the spoilers by tomorrow. It was probably just a rare fluke that we managed to get them as early as Tuesday.
But if they dont come out by tomorrow then we must fear for the worst and quickly hide in our little bomb shelters because no chapter this week means Armageddon is upon us.