@shadyagent man lmao no fun allowed I guess.
Season 1 General Discussion
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Performers are already old. I believe most are over 25 and Nami's performer is 29/30 ish. Just read a speculation that it would take 20 seasons - "160 episodes" to catch up to where Wano is and I disagree.
If they stick to 8 episodes and continue to skip smaller elements or mix certain things
S2: Loguetown - Drum
S3: Alabasta/Skypiea
S4: W7/EL
S5: TB - Seperation
S6: Amazon Lily/Impel Down
S7: MF War
S8: Return/FI/PH
S9: Dressrosa/Zou
S10: WCI/Reverie
S11: Wano
S12: Wano 2 - Oden's Journey lol
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@Cockycent said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
Performers are already old. I believe most are over 25 and Nami's performer is 29/30 ish. Just read a speculation that it would take 20 seasons - "160 episodes" to catch up to where Wano is and I disagree.
If they stick to 8 episodes and continue to skip smaller elements or mix certain things
S2: Loguetown - Drum
S3: Alabasta/Skypiea
S4: W7/EL
S5: TB - Seperation
S6: Amazon Lily/Impel Down
S7: MF War
S8: Return/FI/PH
S9: Dressrosa/Zou
S10: WCI/Reverie
S11: Wano
S12: Wano 2 - Oden's Journey lol
S13: Wano 3 - Onigashima WarNo... that makes no sense if they intend to have more seasons and finish the story. That would take way too long and it's a bad idea to break up a saga with an overaching villain. It's plausible to squeeze the first half of the grand line into 4-5 seasons, if all parts need to be done, and not hard to apply similar logic to the second half.
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Nah, that's way too slow a pace. Nobody's going to be around for 13+ seasons either. They can lobby for 10 episodes per season if they really feel the need to slow things down.
- Baroque Works
- Skypeia
- CP9
- Thriller Bark + Summit War
- FI - Dressrosa
- Zou - Wano
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If they spent three multi year production cycles on Wano I would probably die.
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I can see an argument for making Wano its own full season because it's so damn long, but three? Yikes.
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@Cockycent said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
Performers are already old. I believe most are over 25 and Nami's performer is 29/30 ish. Just read a speculation that it would take 20 seasons - "160 episodes" to catch up to where Wano is and I disagree.
If they stick to 8 episodes and continue to skip smaller elements or mix certain things
S2: Loguetown - Drum
S3: Alabasta/Skypiea
S4: W7/EL
S5: TB - Seperation
S6: Amazon Lily/Impel Down
S7: MF War
S8: Return/FI/PH
S9: Dressrosa/Zou
S10: WCI/Reverie
S11: Wano
S12: Wano 2 - Oden's Journey lol
S13: Wano 3 - Onigashima WarI think they could streamline even further. For example:
S2: Loguetown - Whiskey Peak - Little Garden - Drum - Alabasta
S3: Jaya - Skypiea - Long Ring Long Land
S4: W7 - Enies Lobby - Thriller Bark
S5: Sabaody - Amazon Lily - Impel Down - Marineford - Post-War
S6: The Return / Fishman Island / Punk Hazard
S7: Dressrosa / Zou / WCI / Levely
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Oh, I was thinking cut out Whiskey Peak totally...
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@Cockycent said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
Oh, I was thinking cut out Whiskey Peak totally...
Possible! I didn’t include Reverse Mountain and Laboon — those are more important.
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Yeah, Whiskey Peak is just unnecessery.
Marineford is not going to last longer than 2 episodes, that I'm sure of. They need to go all out with the budget here so no one is going to spread it over multiple episodes. Enies Lobby is going to be similar, 3 episodes tops, with one of them being mostly flashback.
And if they ever makie it to Wano, they are going trim the shit out of it, which will probably make it a better arc than the manga, lol.
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@karubiDON Yeah, to me, it's about content and not chapter count when adapting.
Elements of Whiskey Peak and Reverse can be mixed to be half an episode in theory.
These episodes are mostly 55 minutes plus. Skypiea is so short, it's like 3 episodes max if they need it to.
Skipping extra characters and getting right to the main players would be the goal. Laboon, Franky, Moria, Brook, Wapol, etc are essential.
If they want to, the separation can be in TB arc too.
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@Cockycent said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
Elements of Whiskey Peak and Reverse can be mixed to be half an episode in theory.
I like this idea. I do love the Zoro Luffy fight and it's the place where we get to see the "real" Vivi, but I'm sure they can make all of that happen some other way.
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@Cockycent I think Zoro vs. Baroque Works is too good (and filmable) of a set piece to cut Whisky Peak. Ditto Luffy vs. Zoro and Robin's introduction.
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@andre Yeah, the fight was concerning Vivi to an extent via BW being demolished. It can all be 1 town with Laboon, Vivi, and BW.
@Kitsune-Inferno said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
@Cockycent I think Zoro vs. Baroque Works is too good (and filmable) of a set piece to cut Whisky Peak. Ditto Luffy vs. Zoro and Robin's introduction.
They meet Laboon outside Misty Peak (4 Kids joke), tricked by Vivi and BW. Zoro sees through it. Luffy intervenes. Nami settles it and makes Vivi break down. That's 75% of an episode or less really.
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@Cockycent said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
@Bugs Alabasta/Skypiea/W7/MF in 5 arcs???
I see no problem with reducing it to 4 or 5 seasons. Kind of like how East Blue had Arlong has the overarching villain to defeat, the same logic applies to potential future seasons.
S2: Croc (Loguetown to Arabasta; ending on the Strawhats saying good bye to Vivi and Robin joining as the end teaser makes too much sense)
S3: Enel (Jaya to Skypeia)
S4: Lucci (Long Ring to Enies Lobby)
S5: The WG (Thriller Bark to Marineford)
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@GuetaMinute said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
@shadyagent man lmao no fun allowed I guess.
That has nothing to do with fun: the same way the anime movies are taking time from Oda away and putting additional strain on him so does the live action stuff. He was in LA for a screening a couple of weeks ago e.g. and is worrying that the fans have fun with it.
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@shadyagent The hell kind of take is "fans are ruining creator's life by consuming creator's content"? There's a debate to be had on how shitty the mangaka lifestyle can be with very valid concerns, but framing them the way you are is concern trolling at best and wildly overstating Oda's role on the production of the show.
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That is not fair. I have been listening to the one piece podcast for years. Back then greg at least told some stories or hinted towards stuff. Oda is the producer of the one Piece anime movies. That has nothing to do with the creation process. it is about responsibility. Yes I m a douchebag in that sense that I would like the manga to succeed in the best possible way. One Piece is a friggin multibillion dollar bussiness. If that does not put some strain on your mind as a creator I dont know... -
Umm i ll streamline it further
Season 2
Ep1 - logue Town / finishes on entering GL
Ep 2 - laboon / Whiskey peak (Laboon either skipped or changed to fit Live action)
Ep 3 - Little Garden
Ep 4 - Drum
EP 5 - Drum
Ep 6 Arabasta
Ep 7 Arabasta
Ep 8 ArabastaIn case of season 3
Ep 1 Jaya finishes with entrance to Skypea
Ep 2 Skypea
Ep 3 Skypea
Ep 4 Aokiji + Water 7 start
Ep 5 Water 7
Ep 6 Water 7 + start of Enies Loby
Ep 7 Enies Loby
Ep 8 end of Enies Loby + Return to Water 7 = SunnyBeyond that not smart to say anything but just to give my 5 cents. There is bunch of stuff Live action should ommit.
Like- Karoo
- Kung Fu Dugongs
- Long ass fights
to name a few from season 2
Whoever disagrees should maybe reeatch things likw Game of Thrones, Lord of The Rings etc.... in 3 hours a shit liad of things can be shiwn an enture Lotr movie finishes and you think they cant make something like Arabasta island in 3 episodes of coyrse tgey can. Plenty of stoey to be told in 3 hours
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@blue-san said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
- Karoo
I mostly see Karoo as an accessory. I don't remember too much of a story that he took up or anything at all. Just no content at all.
Why cut him, unless this is a prod cost thing?
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Karoo singlehandedly defeated the most threatening Baroque Works agent plus there's the whole thing with his sacrifice to get Vivi to the castle.
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Some good news. One Piece is number 1 for the week with the most view on Netflix.
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The way I see, assuming we get 10 episodes:
Loguetown - 1
Reverse Mountain - 1
Whiskey Peak - 1
Little Garden - 1
Drum - 2
Alabasta - 4I would be more confortable with 2 eps for Little Garden, but I suppose with enough tweaking to the plot you can do 1. Alabasta is harder to predict because the show hasn't had any arc that long yet. 4 eps looks ok-ish, but maybe 5 would be better. So in an ideal world, I'd have 12 eps, but I'm not getting my hopes up. I'll settle for 10.
2 eps is fine for Drum, as the other new strawhat centered arcs from S1 show.
If we get less than 10 episodes though, they will have to rush more than they rushed season 1, abd I think that would be terrible. And I do agree with your point on fights, but they already skipped a lot of fights in S1. Though I suppose it would help if they did not do something like the Garp storyline again. It was unecessary and was not very good. And took way too long.
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- CGI -> money drain for little benefit
- Some few minutes saved on the interaction screen time
- potential cringe factor avoided
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@karubiDON said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
Man, this thread is depressing. It’s filled with inconsistent criticism of an amazing adaptation for the fans. There’s more nitpicking here than posters pointing out easter eggs and details for the fans. Honestly, it might be the most negative place I’ve seen the series discussed over the past few days — and I haven’t seen the Oykot Kingdom map mentioned ONCE in this thread.
Sure, have your gripes — but seeing some of you to dismiss the entire production and wishing they’d “pull the plug” is ridiculous. The comments about disliking Luffy and Nojiko’s casting comes across as really sus. If anything, I feel less inclined to return to AP because of the consistent negativity here across most threads…
You know people are reaching when the main point has become "I know everyone loved this but I can just FEEL the general audience will stop loving it a few months from now"
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@Sano said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
Some good news. One Piece is number 1 for the week with the most view on Netflix.
To give some context
Television shows on Netflix with over 500 million views in their first 28 days.
Squid Game: Season 1 Survival drama 17 September 2021 1,650.45
Stranger Things: Season 4 Science fiction/Horror 27 May 2022 1,352.09
Wednesday: Season 1 Supernatural horror 23 November 2022 1,237.15
Dahmer – Monster: The Jeffrey Dahmer Story: Limited Series Horror drama 21 September 2022 856.22
Money Heist: Part 5 Heist/Crime drama 3 September 2021 792.23
Bridgerton: Season 2 Historical romance 25 March 2022 656.26
Bridgerton: Season 1 Historical romance 25 December 2020 625.49
Money Heist: Part 4 Heist/Crime drama 3 April 2020 619.01
Stranger Things: Season 3 Science fiction/Horror 4 July 2019 582.10
Lucifer: Season 5 Urban fantasy 21 August 2020 569.48
All of Us Are Dead: Season 1 Survival Drama/Horror 28 January 2022 560.78
The Witcher: Season 1 Fantasy drama 20 December 2019 541.01
The Night Agent: Season 1 Action thriller 23 March 2023 515.57
Inventing Anna: Limited Series Crime drama 11 February 2022 511.92
Ginny & Georgia: Season 2 Drama 1 May 2023 504.78In other words we are far far away from those numbers
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Tbh I feel like this show made almost zero effort to avoid cringe and that is one huge factor to its success. It just went and embraced source material whenever it could.
I can see money as the reason to cut Carue though.
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@blue-san Pretty sure those are all by hours viewed and if views increase (as they are wont to do) in week 2, One Piece will more than like crack this list relatively easily.
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@Kitsune-Inferno said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
@blue-san Pretty sure those are all by hours viewed and if views increase (as they are wont to do) in week 2, One Piece will more than like crack this list relatively easily.
Yeah. Those numbers are absolutely of numbers viewed and OP is on pace to break into the top 10. I don't know if it'll beat Wednesday or Stranger Things, but it can for sure give The Witcher and even Bridgerton a run at the least.
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@Dragon-D-Luffy said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
Tbh I feel like this show made almost zero effort to avoid cringe and that is one huge factor to its success. It just went and embraced source material whenever it could.
I can see money as the reason to cut Carue though.
I agree that they didnt tip toe 100% and shy away from everything.
(like Garp's hat, Helmepo, color hairs, naming attacks etc...)But Usopp's nose, Sanji's eyebrow's and so on are definitely attempts to avoid the danger zone. I think we'll see it continue and with a good reason.
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@Dragon-D-Luffy said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
Though I suppose it would help if they did not do something like the Garp storyline again. It was unecessary and was not very good. And took way too long.
That was probably a budget thing. Minimal characters, reused sets. I would 100% expect similar B plots in following seasons to help provide some kind of thtoughline.
Yeah it eats precious time from the main cast, but a standalone 8 episode story has different needs than a forever running serial and needs stuff to tie it together, especially with constant location hopping.
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Got the chance to watch the series since I was hanging out with friends who had a subscription. I was pleasantly surprised with how much I liked this. Overall did a solid job presenting a lot of the big beats of the East Blue saga, while adding its own twists which gave it its own charm.
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So I've decided to dip my feet in the season calculus. WIth some actual math.
Season 1 adapted 95 manga chapters into 8 episodes of 50-100 minutes. So I'll take that ratio as a premise. It's possible we could do more (if they don't do stuff like the Garp plot), but as others have mentioned, maybe that isn't feasible, and I want to keep the math simple.
Another point is that I will be assuming that while 8 episodes is the baseline, not every season has to have exactly that. TV seasons can vary in length during the same show, and they are more constrained by things like budget and actor availability. If this is successful enough, I imagine Netflix will allow for a bigger budget if that's necessary.
95/8 = 11.875. So I'll divide the remaining arcs' chapter counts by that. Which gives us:
https://i.imgur.com/LxQw9fS.png
I've elaborated how Loguetown to Alabasta can be done in 10 eps, the only difference being that apparently Loguetown+Reverse Mountain can fit 1 episode just fine, allowing Alabasta to have 5.
S3 is the Skypiea saga, which uses 7.2 eps. With a little stretching that can be made to last 8, just like S1.
CP9 saga needs 11.5 episodes, though. That is not impossible, and I assume if the show gets this far, they will be allowed to make bigger seasons. But maybe they want to keep things more even and remove LRLI, which reduces the size to a nice 10. They could also switch LRLI to S3, for 9 episodes, but I'm not sure if they will want to risk having a season whose back end may be the least liked. Plus it does end with a cliffhanger (the Aokiji/Robin) thing that only gets solved in S4. They may or may not want that.
Thriller Bark is tricky, because we only get 4 episodes. That might be where they attempt to make a movie, but that may not be possible since 4 hours is too much for a film, unless they do some serious rushing here. That said, if a movie is not the place to avoid doing something like the Garp filler, I don't know where it is. I guess you make it a streamlined plot and a 2:45 movie and it can be done.
The alternative is to make TB and Sabaody the fifth season, for 6 episodes, and then slow down the pacing a bit more for 7 or 8. That does mean you break the Summit War Saga, making S6 only 7 episodes. With Sabaody, it will last 9, which is still manageable. I think I still prefer the movie alternative.
Return to Sabaody + FI runs into the TB problem again, with just 5 episodes, and again, a movie is a possible solution, albeit even harder than with TB. Or you fuse with Punk Hazard for 8.6 episodes, which is fine. Dressrosa needs 8.6 episodes, which is already a full season. With Punk Hazard, it's 12.5, which is a long season. I feel like this choice is highly dependant on how successful Thriller Bark: The Movie was, assuming it even happened. Let's say it did and was successful, so they compress FI it into another movie, then compress Dressrosa a bit (Lord knows it can be compressed) for a long-ish season with PH.
Zou + Whole Cake is 8.5 eps and this is easy enough. 9 if you add Reverie.
Wano is 12.5, or 13 with the Reverie. So Wano is obviously a single season. It can and should be compressed a bit, particularly at Onigashima, but at this point I assume we an endless budget so the compression doesn't have to be huge.
So here is my prototype
S1: East Blue (8)
S2: LT + Baroque Works (10)
S3: Jaya + Skypiea (8)
S4: CP9 Saga (11)
Movie 1: Thriller Bark
S5: Summit War (9)
Movie 2: Fishman Island
S6: Dressrosa Saga (11)
S7: Zou + Whole Cake (9)
S8: Reverie + Wano (11)And then we get one or two more seasons for the Final Saga, depending on how long it will be in the manga. 10 seasons is longer than most shows but isn't particularly uncommon.
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It doesn't add up for chapter count to equate to how many years left for Oda to finish the story. Same as chapter count not being a good way to measure seasons.
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I KNOW this is not hard science and you don't need to state the obvious.
And you are free to just skip my post if you think it has no value. I obviously did it because I think it does and because I had fun, so I can share it with just the people who enjoy this kind of stuff, thanks. It's kind of rude to look at someone's effort and just call it worthless.
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Yuck that poster again. Sanji's head and Zoro's back look bigger. All types of wrong.
Can't wait to see Merry in the show. Hopefully it looks better than it does in these posters.
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@Cockycent said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
Yuck that poster again. Sanji's head and Zoro's back look bigger. All types of wrong.
Can't wait to see Merry in the show. Hopefully it looks better than it does in these posters.
Something something too grimdark
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No way we get the entire seasons of 1 arc like Skypea. It would drag....人事を尽くして天命を待つ
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@blue-san Yeah, and it would bore the general audience who look forward to the Straw Hats visiting multiple locations.
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Why is everyone thinking they'll adapt the crew seperation/amazon Lilly/Marinford/Timeskip?
Yeah that was one of the biggest most major things in the manga, but...
- the actors are going to naturally age anyway
- there's no way they're doing an entire season without the cast they'll have spent 4 years building up.
it's a huge important event and maybe they'll adapt it in some shape or form, but I can't see that overall going anywhere like what the manga did. Battles and powerscaling are clearly going to be less important in this version given we already had Luffy fighting Garp. Even if Garp was completely holding back that's still....
And if anything I'd save Marineford for the end-of-series instead. Having a big ass super mega battle in season 5 when the show it probably set to be 7 or 8 seasons tops, seems silly pacing wise.
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@blue-san well unless you are wanting to create entire new arcs and stuff the only way I can see this work is by adding Davy Back Fight.
Maybe G8 too...
But for even bigger arcs like Wano you are going to run into the fact post-TS just has bigger and bigger arcs.
@blue-san said in One Piece Live-Adaptation Drama Announced:
@All-Fiction
Exactly plus there really isnt that much to adapt. The skypea story can be told in 2 episodes = 2 hours aka 1 movie length...Over 80 chapters in two hours? Don't forget there is also Jaya. And stuff like the Noland flashback.
That would mean they would have to almost quadruple the pacing compared to S1.
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You can't just go by number of chapters, you also have to look at their content. East Blue saga introduces five main characters and their backstories and consists of 6 different arcs, all with their own location, plot line and cast of secondary characters. You basically have to introduce viewers to a new location and new characters every single episode, most of which will only matter for that episode or the next.
Skypiea may be similar in length, but you have like two locations and what, 4 or 5 important secondary characters you have to introduce and feature. Spending like 6 episodes on Upper Yard is just too much and not really warranted in terms of plot. A huge part of this arc consists of fighting. We have to get used to the idea that most fights will at most be a couple of minutes in length.
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@Riddler fights already are a couple minutes in length, though. And that's before the 4x increase in pacing you people are proposing.
Jaya alone will probably use at least one of those two hours of content. Leaving just one episode for the entirety of Skypiea.
