Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)

[theackwardstation]

@SeaOfHope said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@danie said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@SeaOfHope Uh, I think @Zik was talking about no Carrot fans arguing for or thinking about Carrot joining down the line.

Basically denying that no Carrot fan has argued for or thinks that.

Not from what was posted.

@theackwardstation argued that

People who root for Carrot have always set Wano as a deadline, ending at the stowaway theory.

which @Zik denied and continued asserting:

If you make a claim you should be able to prove it.

People were always debating that Carrot could stow away. Don't try and reinterpret the situation.

Actually, Zik was demanding a much more ridiculous proof from me. He was making fun that Carrot supporters were moving goalposts for the next arc, something that comes from the voices in his head, and wanted me to provide proof that nobody was saying that, as if that's possible.

[SeaOfHope]

@danie That's not what was stated.

All of the Carrot for nakama posters are all on the same page about when they’ll stop carrying on their Carrot for nakama talk.

There are already some that have given up, others that haven't. Don't lump everyone together like we're a collective. People have their own opinions.

[StrawHatJedi]

@electricmastro

Carrying on Pedro's will; We now have Wanda directly stating on panel that Carrot has inherited Pedro's will. The context clues for this were pretty clear since chapter 877, but it was plainly spelled out in chapter 1056.

So, what did Pedro believe? What was his goal / will / dream?

Pedro wanted to join the crew of the Pirate King - but he was born too late to join Roger and too early to join Luffy.

Roger told Pedro he was on he waiting list and that every person has their time to shine. Pedro took those words to heart and formed the Nox Pirates for the purpose of gathering Poneglyphs, making ready the path for Roger's successor.

When Inu and Neko showed the Zou Road Poneglyph to Luffy, Pedro believed that the next Pirate King had at last arrived and he accompanied the Straw Hats to Whole Cake Island, knowing full well it would likely be his final journey, so that he could make sure they successfully retrieved the Road Poneglyph.

Then, in his final moments he imparted his will to Carrot and passed on his unwavering faith that Luffy is the one meant to succeed Roger.

He specified that the Straw Hats are meant to deliver the New Dawn to the world - fulfilling a long held prophecy for the Mink people.

Pedro's final words echoed the words Roger spoke to him when he was put on the waiting list for the Pirate King's crew: "Every person has their time to shine." He then added his own corollary, "Keep moving forward."

His will was to aid the Pirate King in fulfilling his destined purpose in delivering the New Dawn, both for the sake of the Mink people and for the world as a whole.

We know that on a global scale, this likely means liberation from the world's oppressors, Lord Imu and the World Government, but what does it specifically mean for the Minks? That part remains a mystery.

The Fishmen, Kozuki, and likely Giants all have analogous prophecies, which foretell the same future promised day. For the Fishmen, it means walking the path toward the sun. For the Kozuki, it means opening Wano's borders. But what about the Minks? How will their people be restored to their proper place in the world? The answer to that question can only be found on Laugh Tale.

So Carrot's motivating desire - to keep moving forward. Chasing Perospero to exact revenge for Pedro's death was a fool's errand from the start. Pedro sacrificed himself for Carrot and the rest of the crew to live, not to be killed avenging him. Carrot learned that lesson the hard way and now, thanks to Nekomamushi, is free from the need to attain vengeance.

So, what does it mean for Carrot to move forward in the way Pedro wanted? To rule as Queen of Zou? Maybe - but it doesn't seem o fit particularly well because Pedro wanted to join the Pirate King's crew. He believed that the way to fulfill the Mink's prophecy was to help Luffy become the Pirate King.

So, ultimately, Carrot's goal would be very similar to Jinbei's. We know that the Fishmen walking the path toward the sun is also contingent on Luffy discovering One Piece, just like the Mink's prophecy being fulfilled. Jinbei believes in Luffy in the way as did Pedro. And Pedro passed on that belief to Carrot.

[SeaOfHope]

@theackwardstation Honestly, why do people feel the need to insult and demean others in a thread that's meant to debate? I swear after 2 years of this nonsense, we should have been done with this and returned to regular discussion.

[danie]

@SeaOfHope Yes, exactly! I agree with you. I think so was @Zik

He was just being a bit, uh, demanding, asking for proof that no Carrot supporter has ever argued for her joining even if she doesn't stowaway again.

That's exactly what some of you will do though. If not, I'll eat my shorts!

No, wait. It's "eat crow", right?

[Zik]

@SeaOfHope said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@theackwardstation said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Zik said in [Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)

When you say literally nobody said that do you mean just in this thread or at all?

Cuz there have been Carrot and next nakama thread discussions going on in spoiler threads, chapter threads, and wherever else on this forum.

Nobody said that at all in this forum. People who root for Carrot have always set Wano as a deadline, ending at the stowaway theory.

LOL

You really can’t back that up with any proof but okay. All of the Carrot for nakama posters are all on the same page about when they’ll stop carrying on their Carrot for nakama talk.

Bet

January 7th, 2021

...Therefore, if Carrot wants to join and tag along again, there's no reason that I see why Luffy would turn her down. He's familiar enough with her, more familiar than he initially was with Robin when they met outside of curiosity, and they are perfectly fine friends as it is. If Carrot invites herself, like when she stows away again, Luffy is gonna roll with it and let her. If anything of her character stirs up, then so be it. There's plausibility here, that's all I'm reinforcing. The only thing stopping Carrot is herself.

EDIT: Found another.
January 4th, 2021

...Contrary to what Shift believes, I'm of the belief that Carrot doesn't officially join the crew when Wano concludes, but will stowaway (again), follow them to the next island which hopefully will be Elbaf so that her interest in giants might be shown, and by then we'll have more insight into her end goal as well as purpose. She needs time to develop, maybe she'll grow more than we hypothesize in this arc, but I fail to understand how she won't continue being around the Straw Hats when Pedro's last words were to know their significance and then peeps are saying she simply goes away thereafter.

EDIT: Another one.

November 15th, 2020

She has shown many times that she can do whatever she wants with no one's approval. She has a a responsibility to her people? Where was that ever shown? The moment her status as a Kingsbird became null and void, she yeeted herself off Zou to help out the crew on her own volition and continues to do whatever she wants on her own volition. She's a complete independent variable. So if she wants to stow away again to seek her adventure or further her goals, she's gonna do it.

From @AvocadoInTheRain
March 8th, 2018

This is only a problem if Luffy's actively recruiting. I think she'll either stow away again or, if that's too similar to Robin, straight up ask to join. That's a dynamic we haven't seen yet in the series. Brook was already asked and the grand fleet thing was extremely official and ritualized, but a character asking to join the crew with the same level of emotion and determination that Luffy usually asks people to join would be interesting.

I've said this many times, this is just the most recent I could find and I know I'm not the only one who has said something along this ballpark.

I don't know why you guys like acting rude towards people who support Carrot as the next nakama and have had their reasons all these years. It's been a fact, in all the years I've spent in this thread, the goalposts have consistently moved against Carrot to promote other people's agendas.

• Carrot appearing on Volume 88 alongside the Straw Hats don't mean anything, but Yamato appearing on Volume 100 in a side by side view by Ace does.

• Carrot being on merchandise labeled as "The Straw Hat Crew" doesn't mean anything and it was rationalized as the only panel they could get with Jinbe despite the double spread panel on Chapter 989 of the Straw Hats. But Yamato being on a towel line alongside the Straw Hats? Complete confirmation. (I'll find pictures later).

spoiler

• Carrot being relied on by Luffy to protect the ship with the other Straw Hats in his stead in Chapter 878 doesn't indicate he views her as a fellow nakama, but Luffy ordering Yamato to protect Momonosuke in Chapter 988 shows she's taking orders from Luffy as a captain. Already nakama!

Like these arguments are exhausting. If you're going to debate, then debate, but some of you guys, you especially, should have learned by now not to count your chickens before they hatch. If people want to debate that Carrot is going to be the last nakama, we can. If Deicide wants to argue that its going to be Hancock, he has every right to. This is a thread to debate such things. Show some respect.
The fuck is this shit?

Do you not even know the proof you’re suppose to provide? lol

A couple random quotes of ppl talking about something else doesn’t matter.

This is what I meant when I said you can’t do it.

[SeaOfHope]

@Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@SeaOfHope said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@theackwardstation said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Zik said in [Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)

When you say literally nobody said that do you mean just in this thread or at all?

Cuz there have been Carrot and next nakama thread discussions going on in spoiler threads, chapter threads, and wherever else on this forum.

Nobody said that at all in this forum. People who root for Carrot have always set Wano as a deadline, ending at the stowaway theory.

LOL

You really can’t back that up with any proof but okay. All of the Carrot for nakama posters are all on the same page about when they’ll stop carrying on their Carrot for nakama talk.

Bet

January 7th, 2021

...Therefore, if Carrot wants to join and tag along again, there's no reason that I see why Luffy would turn her down. He's familiar enough with her, more familiar than he initially was with Robin when they met outside of curiosity, and they are perfectly fine friends as it is. If Carrot invites herself, like when she stows away again, Luffy is gonna roll with it and let her. If anything of her character stirs up, then so be it. There's plausibility here, that's all I'm reinforcing. The only thing stopping Carrot is herself.

EDIT: Found another.
January 4th, 2021

...Contrary to what Shift believes, I'm of the belief that Carrot doesn't officially join the crew when Wano concludes, but will stowaway (again), follow them to the next island which hopefully will be Elbaf so that her interest in giants might be shown, and by then we'll have more insight into her end goal as well as purpose. She needs time to develop, maybe she'll grow more than we hypothesize in this arc, but I fail to understand how she won't continue being around the Straw Hats when Pedro's last words were to know their significance and then peeps are saying she simply goes away thereafter.

EDIT: Another one.

November 15th, 2020

She has shown many times that she can do whatever she wants with no one's approval. She has a a responsibility to her people? Where was that ever shown? The moment her status as a Kingsbird became null and void, she yeeted herself off Zou to help out the crew on her own volition and continues to do whatever she wants on her own volition. She's a complete independent variable. So if she wants to stow away again to seek her adventure or further her goals, she's gonna do it.

From @AvocadoInTheRain
March 8th, 2018

This is only a problem if Luffy's actively recruiting. I think she'll either stow away again or, if that's too similar to Robin, straight up ask to join. That's a dynamic we haven't seen yet in the series. Brook was already asked and the grand fleet thing was extremely official and ritualized, but a character asking to join the crew with the same level of emotion and determination that Luffy usually asks people to join would be interesting.

I've said this many times, this is just the most recent I could find and I know I'm not the only one who has said something along this ballpark.

I don't know why you guys like acting rude towards people who support Carrot as the next nakama and have had their reasons all these years. It's been a fact, in all the years I've spent in this thread, the goalposts have consistently moved against Carrot to promote other people's agendas.

• Carrot appearing on Volume 88 alongside the Straw Hats don't mean anything, but Yamato appearing on Volume 100 in a side by side view by Ace does.

• Carrot being on merchandise labeled as "The Straw Hat Crew" doesn't mean anything and it was rationalized as the only panel they could get with Jinbe despite the double spread panel on Chapter 989 of the Straw Hats. But Yamato being on a towel line alongside the Straw Hats? Complete confirmation. (I'll find pictures later).

spoiler

• Carrot being relied on by Luffy to protect the ship with the other Straw Hats in his stead in Chapter 878 doesn't indicate he views her as a fellow nakama, but Luffy ordering Yamato to protect Momonosuke in Chapter 988 shows she's taking orders from Luffy as a captain. Already nakama!

Like these arguments are exhausting. If you're going to debate, then debate, but some of you guys, you especially, should have learned by now not to count your chickens before they hatch. If people want to debate that Carrot is going to be the last nakama, we can. If Deicide wants to argue that its going to be Hancock, he has every right to. This is a thread to debate such things. Show some respect.
The fuck is this shit?

Do you not even know the proof you’re suppose to provide? lol

A couple random quotes of ppl talking about something else doesn’t matter.

This is what I meant when I said you can’t do it.

It remains consistent from what you said.

[Zik]

@SeaOfHope said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@danie That's not what was stated.

All of the Carrot for nakama posters are all on the same page about when they’ll stop carrying on their Carrot for nakama talk.

There are already some that have given up, others that haven't. Don't lump everyone together like we're a collective. People have their own opinions.

Yeah you’re definitely confused about my stance on this and seemingly haven’t understood since you started replying to me

[Zik]

@SeaOfHope said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@SeaOfHope said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@theackwardstation said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Zik said in [Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)

When you say literally nobody said that do you mean just in this thread or at all?

Cuz there have been Carrot and next nakama thread discussions going on in spoiler threads, chapter threads, and wherever else on this forum.

Nobody said that at all in this forum. People who root for Carrot have always set Wano as a deadline, ending at the stowaway theory.

LOL

You really can’t back that up with any proof but okay. All of the Carrot for nakama posters are all on the same page about when they’ll stop carrying on their Carrot for nakama talk.

Bet

January 7th, 2021

...Therefore, if Carrot wants to join and tag along again, there's no reason that I see why Luffy would turn her down. He's familiar enough with her, more familiar than he initially was with Robin when they met outside of curiosity, and they are perfectly fine friends as it is. If Carrot invites herself, like when she stows away again, Luffy is gonna roll with it and let her. If anything of her character stirs up, then so be it. There's plausibility here, that's all I'm reinforcing. The only thing stopping Carrot is herself.

EDIT: Found another.
January 4th, 2021

...Contrary to what Shift believes, I'm of the belief that Carrot doesn't officially join the crew when Wano concludes, but will stowaway (again), follow them to the next island which hopefully will be Elbaf so that her interest in giants might be shown, and by then we'll have more insight into her end goal as well as purpose. She needs time to develop, maybe she'll grow more than we hypothesize in this arc, but I fail to understand how she won't continue being around the Straw Hats when Pedro's last words were to know their significance and then peeps are saying she simply goes away thereafter.

EDIT: Another one.

November 15th, 2020

She has shown many times that she can do whatever she wants with no one's approval. She has a a responsibility to her people? Where was that ever shown? The moment her status as a Kingsbird became null and void, she yeeted herself off Zou to help out the crew on her own volition and continues to do whatever she wants on her own volition. She's a complete independent variable. So if she wants to stow away again to seek her adventure or further her goals, she's gonna do it.

From @AvocadoInTheRain
March 8th, 2018

This is only a problem if Luffy's actively recruiting. I think she'll either stow away again or, if that's too similar to Robin, straight up ask to join. That's a dynamic we haven't seen yet in the series. Brook was already asked and the grand fleet thing was extremely official and ritualized, but a character asking to join the crew with the same level of emotion and determination that Luffy usually asks people to join would be interesting.

I've said this many times, this is just the most recent I could find and I know I'm not the only one who has said something along this ballpark.

I don't know why you guys like acting rude towards people who support Carrot as the next nakama and have had their reasons all these years. It's been a fact, in all the years I've spent in this thread, the goalposts have consistently moved against Carrot to promote other people's agendas.

• Carrot appearing on Volume 88 alongside the Straw Hats don't mean anything, but Yamato appearing on Volume 100 in a side by side view by Ace does.

• Carrot being on merchandise labeled as "The Straw Hat Crew" doesn't mean anything and it was rationalized as the only panel they could get with Jinbe despite the double spread panel on Chapter 989 of the Straw Hats. But Yamato being on a towel line alongside the Straw Hats? Complete confirmation. (I'll find pictures later).

spoiler

• Carrot being relied on by Luffy to protect the ship with the other Straw Hats in his stead in Chapter 878 doesn't indicate he views her as a fellow nakama, but Luffy ordering Yamato to protect Momonosuke in Chapter 988 shows she's taking orders from Luffy as a captain. Already nakama!

Like these arguments are exhausting. If you're going to debate, then debate, but some of you guys, you especially, should have learned by now not to count your chickens before they hatch. If people want to debate that Carrot is going to be the last nakama, we can. If Deicide wants to argue that its going to be Hancock, he has every right to. This is a thread to debate such things. Show some respect.
The fuck is this shit?

Do you not even know the proof you’re suppose to provide? lol

A couple random quotes of ppl talking about something else doesn’t matter.

This is what I meant when I said you can’t do it.

It remains consistent from what you said.

No it doesn’t.

Literally go back and reread.

[SeaOfHope]

@Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@SeaOfHope said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@SeaOfHope said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@theackwardstation said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Zik said in [Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)

When you say literally nobody said that do you mean just in this thread or at all?

Cuz there have been Carrot and next nakama thread discussions going on in spoiler threads, chapter threads, and wherever else on this forum.

Nobody said that at all in this forum. People who root for Carrot have always set Wano as a deadline, ending at the stowaway theory.

LOL

You really can’t back that up with any proof but okay. All of the Carrot for nakama posters are all on the same page about when they’ll stop carrying on their Carrot for nakama talk.

Bet

January 7th, 2021

...Therefore, if Carrot wants to join and tag along again, there's no reason that I see why Luffy would turn her down. He's familiar enough with her, more familiar than he initially was with Robin when they met outside of curiosity, and they are perfectly fine friends as it is. If Carrot invites herself, like when she stows away again, Luffy is gonna roll with it and let her. If anything of her character stirs up, then so be it. There's plausibility here, that's all I'm reinforcing. The only thing stopping Carrot is herself.

EDIT: Found another.
January 4th, 2021

...Contrary to what Shift believes, I'm of the belief that Carrot doesn't officially join the crew when Wano concludes, but will stowaway (again), follow them to the next island which hopefully will be Elbaf so that her interest in giants might be shown, and by then we'll have more insight into her end goal as well as purpose. She needs time to develop, maybe she'll grow more than we hypothesize in this arc, but I fail to understand how she won't continue being around the Straw Hats when Pedro's last words were to know their significance and then peeps are saying she simply goes away thereafter.

EDIT: Another one.

November 15th, 2020

She has shown many times that she can do whatever she wants with no one's approval. She has a a responsibility to her people? Where was that ever shown? The moment her status as a Kingsbird became null and void, she yeeted herself off Zou to help out the crew on her own volition and continues to do whatever she wants on her own volition. She's a complete independent variable. So if she wants to stow away again to seek her adventure or further her goals, she's gonna do it.

From @AvocadoInTheRain
March 8th, 2018

This is only a problem if Luffy's actively recruiting. I think she'll either stow away again or, if that's too similar to Robin, straight up ask to join. That's a dynamic we haven't seen yet in the series. Brook was already asked and the grand fleet thing was extremely official and ritualized, but a character asking to join the crew with the same level of emotion and determination that Luffy usually asks people to join would be interesting.

I've said this many times, this is just the most recent I could find and I know I'm not the only one who has said something along this ballpark.

I don't know why you guys like acting rude towards people who support Carrot as the next nakama and have had their reasons all these years. It's been a fact, in all the years I've spent in this thread, the goalposts have consistently moved against Carrot to promote other people's agendas.

• Carrot appearing on Volume 88 alongside the Straw Hats don't mean anything, but Yamato appearing on Volume 100 in a side by side view by Ace does.

• Carrot being on merchandise labeled as "The Straw Hat Crew" doesn't mean anything and it was rationalized as the only panel they could get with Jinbe despite the double spread panel on Chapter 989 of the Straw Hats. But Yamato being on a towel line alongside the Straw Hats? Complete confirmation. (I'll find pictures later).

spoiler

• Carrot being relied on by Luffy to protect the ship with the other Straw Hats in his stead in Chapter 878 doesn't indicate he views her as a fellow nakama, but Luffy ordering Yamato to protect Momonosuke in Chapter 988 shows she's taking orders from Luffy as a captain. Already nakama!

Like these arguments are exhausting. If you're going to debate, then debate, but some of you guys, you especially, should have learned by now not to count your chickens before they hatch. If people want to debate that Carrot is going to be the last nakama, we can. If Deicide wants to argue that its going to be Hancock, he has every right to. This is a thread to debate such things. Show some respect.
The fuck is this shit?

Do you not even know the proof you’re suppose to provide? lol

A couple random quotes of ppl talking about something else doesn’t matter.

This is what I meant when I said you can’t do it.

It remains consistent from what you said.

No it doesn’t.

Literally go back and reread.

I did. Remains consistent from what you said. People have always said this.

[SeaOfHope]

@Zik As Shift said, if we get to the next island and Carrot isn't there, we can drop the arguments and theory she stowed away. You're acting like we're stubbornly believing something beyond what we've asserted or making new arguments beyond what we have said here.

[danie]

@SeaOfHope See, are you insinuating that if she doesn't stowaway again, that you'll just come up with a new theory for her joining?

[SeaOfHope]

@danie said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@SeaOfHope See, are you insinuating that if she doesn't stowaway again, that you'll just come up with a new theory for her joining?

No one has ever said this. Most of us have said that she would stow away again and I've shown proof this has been consistently stated.

I'll say it alongside Shift if I have to: If we get to the next island and Carrot doesn't show up stowed away on the ship, we can drop the argument and end the debate there.

[Shiebs]

My fear is the “one more chapter” dilemma

Where people will say wait one more chapter for Oda to show us she stowed away, soon very soon, just one more, any chapter now

That being said after the upset with Yamato and the weird way Oda “ended” Carrots story, I am expecting her to be on board

[SeaOfHope]

One more chapter mentality is not the way to go. We just need to set realistic endpoints. Carrot last time didn't stay stowed away so long, we have no reason to believe otherwise. If we get to the next destination and still no Carrot, I'll drop it unless Oda brings her back.

[danie]

@SeaOfHope Prove to me that no one has ever said that!

I'm joking. Please don't kill me.

[SeaOfHope]

@danie said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@SeaOfHope Prove to me that no one has ever said that!

I'm joking. Please don't kill me.

I'll try not to. You're on my watchlist though.

Tread carefully...jk

spoiler

[theackwardstation]

Anyway, I believe Oda will write a quick flashback for Carrot soon just like he did for Marco and Yamato (like, no farewell? really?), and that will make it clear that Carrot is fully accepting her duties as the next ruler of Zou, therefore giving closure to her character arc and ending nakama speculations.

[Shiebs]

@theackwardstation ending the Carrot discussions sure, then we have a whole new Island full of new characters to debate, You thought this thread would end? How naive! This thread is forever!

[theackwardstation]

@Shiebs yeah, I meant ending speculation for Carrot. My bad.

[Shiebs]

@theackwardstation LOL I was just joking, I knew what you meant

Although if she doesn't join then that will become our reality

What do you guys think about Loki joining

[theackwardstation]

Only if Loki is a dwarf giant.

[Zin Magala]

It would have to be a giant that ate a size changing fruit. The anime already pulled the trigger on that, though I’m not sure if that matters to Oda.

[Shiebs]

I was messing around anyway (man I really miss those ninja smiley faces)

we already have a giant in the grand fleet

Plus the name Loki suggests he might be a villain

[electricmastro]

@StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@electricmastro

He specified that the Straw Hats are meant to deliver the New Dawn to the world - fulfilling a long held prophecy for the Mink people.

So exactly what agenda will Carrot aim to have in regards to having the Dawn being delivered to all the Minks?

[StrawHatJedi]

@electricmastro Exactly what agenda does Jinbei have in wanting to walk the path toward the sun?

The intended destination is enough detail given the meaning of the prophecies is shrouded in mystery still.

You could ask the same question in what actual good it would have done Luffy and the Straw Hats to have an Oden-wannabe tagging along to validate their own personal need for hero worship.

[electricmastro]

@theackwardstation said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

Anyway, I believe Oda will write a quick flashback for Carrot soon just like he did for Marco and Yamato (like, no farewell? really?), and that will make it clear that Carrot is fully accepting her duties as the next ruler of Zou, therefore giving closure to her character arc and ending nakama speculations.

Considering how Yamato didn't state anything about giving up on/abandoning the ambition/dream to open Wano's borders, despite Oden having wanted to do so, then I think her story still has yet to end.

[Zin Magala]

Loki being, at the very least, a douche is a safe bet. lol

[electricmastro]

@StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@electricmastro Exactly what agenda does Jinbei have in wanting to walk the path toward the sun?

The intended destination is enough detail given the meaning of the prophecies is shrouded in mystery still.

You could ask the same question in what actual good it would have done Luffy and the Straw Hats to have an Oden-wannabe tagging along to validate their own personal need for hero worship.

Nuh uh, that isn't what I asked you. You're basically answering a question with a question.

[StrawHatJedi]

@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@electricmastro Exactly what agenda does Jinbei have in wanting to walk the path toward the sun?

The intended destination is enough detail given the meaning of the prophecies is shrouded in mystery still.

You could ask the same question in what actual good it would have done Luffy and the Straw Hats to have an Oden-wannabe tagging along to validate their own personal need for hero worship.

Nuh uh, that isn't what I asked you. You're basically answering a question with a question.

I really don't know what answer you're looking for. It's a bit like asking 'why is the All Blue'? I don't know and neither does Sanji. But it doesn't make it any less important.

[electricmastro]

@StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@electricmastro Exactly what agenda does Jinbei have in wanting to walk the path toward the sun?

The intended destination is enough detail given the meaning of the prophecies is shrouded in mystery still.

You could ask the same question in what actual good it would have done Luffy and the Straw Hats to have an Oden-wannabe tagging along to validate their own personal need for hero worship.

Nuh uh, that isn't what I asked you. You're basically answering a question with a question.

I really don't know what answer you're looking for. It's a bit like asking 'why is the All Blue'? I don't know and neither does Sanji. But it doesn't make it any less important.

Well yeah, Sanji's greater purpose is the ambition/dream to find All-Blue. Pretty straightforward.

No question. No "purpose is still shrouded in mystery." Just a simply-stated, solid goal: to find All-Blue.

Now if Sanji's greater purpose can be stated that simply, then why not Carrot? Am I making sense or am I not making sense?

[StrawHatJedi]

@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@electricmastro Exactly what agenda does Jinbei have in wanting to walk the path toward the sun?

The intended destination is enough detail given the meaning of the prophecies is shrouded in mystery still.

You could ask the same question in what actual good it would have done Luffy and the Straw Hats to have an Oden-wannabe tagging along to validate their own personal need for hero worship.

Nuh uh, that isn't what I asked you. You're basically answering a question with a question.

I really don't know what answer you're looking for. It's a bit like asking 'why is the All Blue'? I don't know and neither does Sanji. But it doesn't make it any less important.

Well yeah, Sanji's greater purpose is the ambition/dream to find All-Blue. Pretty straightforward.

No question. No "purpose is still shrouded in mystery." Just a simply-stated, solid goal: to find All-Blue.

Now if Sanji's greater purpose can be stated that simply, then why not Carrot? Am I making sense or am I not making sense?

I don't entirely follow; Carrot's goal would be to help bring about the New Dawn, fulfilling the Mink prophecy and Pedro's will, by way of helping Luffy become Pirate King. Which is incredibly similar in nature to Jinbei's goal of walk the path toward the sun, fulfilling a long held Fishman prophecy, by way of helping Luffy become Pirate King.

[last-exit-to-laughtale]

@StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

We know that on a global scale, this likely means liberation from the world's oppressors, Lord Imu and the World Government, but what does it specifically mean for the Minks? That part remains a mystery.

I think we definitely got some clues as to the potential future of Minks during the Zou arc. Between their ancient city being destroyed and Miyagi admitting that they've been taking Zunesha for granted on account of living there so long, there's some setup for the Minks eventually leaving Zunesha and finding a new home.

[StrawHatJedi]

@last-exit-to-laughtale Agreed! There are some other interesting details as well. For one, we know that the Kingdom of Zou was built atop Zunesha's back 100 years before the start of the Void Century, 200 years before Zunesha was cursed.

Also, Sulong is referred to as the Mink's true form, but is only accessible on the night of the full moon, which is also a bit of a mystery.

[Cyan D. Funk]

@StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

I don't entirely follow; Carrot's goal would be to help bring about the New Dawn, fulfilling the Mink prophecy and Pedro's will, by way of helping Luffy become Pirate King.

Alright, question from the back: has Carrot ever, ever, expressed the desire to do this, in the...six?...years we've known her?

[electricmastro]

@StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@electricmastro Exactly what agenda does Jinbei have in wanting to walk the path toward the sun?

The intended destination is enough detail given the meaning of the prophecies is shrouded in mystery still.

You could ask the same question in what actual good it would have done Luffy and the Straw Hats to have an Oden-wannabe tagging along to validate their own personal need for hero worship.

Nuh uh, that isn't what I asked you. You're basically answering a question with a question.

I really don't know what answer you're looking for. It's a bit like asking 'why is the All Blue'? I don't know and neither does Sanji. But it doesn't make it any less important.

Well yeah, Sanji's greater purpose is the ambition/dream to find All-Blue. Pretty straightforward.

No question. No "purpose is still shrouded in mystery." Just a simply-stated, solid goal: to find All-Blue.

Now if Sanji's greater purpose can be stated that simply, then why not Carrot? Am I making sense or am I not making sense?

I don't entirely follow; Carrot's goal would be to help bring about the New Dawn, fulfilling the Mink prophecy and Pedro's will, by way of helping Luffy become Pirate King. Which is incredibly similar in nature to Jinbei's goal of walk the path toward the sun, fulfilling a long held Fishman prophecy, by way of helping Luffy become Pirate King.

Bringing about the New Dawn sounds a little too vague. While finding All-Blue involves going to a location, I'm not sure what exactly Carrot would have to do.

As for Jinbe, I understand his greater purpose is to have coexistence and equality between humans and fish-men, which also sounds less vague to me.

[StrawHatJedi]

@electricmastro

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one then. I don't think Jinbei's dream / goal is any more specific than Carrot's would be in theory.

[electricmastro]

@StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@electricmastro

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one then. I don't think Jinbei's dream / goal is any more specific than Carrot's would be in theory.

Jinbe wants two bring two groups together to coexist in equality, which sounds more specific to me, but alright then.

[last-exit-to-laughtale]

@StrawHatJedi The timeline of Zou's creation is also interesting given how we also know that the Minks and the Kozuki swore an oath to each other, when the two civilizations are similarly isolated yet stand in stark contrast in how they handled/viewed outsiders. Whatever reason the Minks had to build Zou on Zunesha's back, it evidently wasn't for the same reason that Wano built its walls.

[electricmastro]

@StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@electricmastro Exactly what agenda does Jinbei have in wanting to walk the path toward the sun?

You could ask the same question in what actual good it would have done Luffy and the Straw Hats to have an Oden-wannabe tagging along to validate their own personal need for hero worship.

I dunno, I just still don't get the feeling that Yamato has given up on opening the borders and sailing out, despite what she said about Admiral Treebranch. If there's a chapter where she says she'll give up on Oden and his ambitions to open Wano, and is clear to me she isn't suppressing her dreams or happiness and is genuinely still content with being on Wano for the rest of her life babying the shogun, then fine, I'll accept it then. I don't think I'm asking for too much there.

[Ivotas]

@Kurloz said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

Final SH will be "that person" Caribou has been talking to for a decade, Oda said it to me in a dream

"That person" has to be one of the worst ways to give cryptic informations about a yet unrevealed character. It usually makes any dialog seem lesser natural as it caters to the audience and not to the characters in a scene. This is even worse in Caribou's case where "that person" has so far only been part of an inner monologue.

Btw Kurloz, I'm not taking this out on you. I'm rather having a problem with the term itself. You merely just mentioned it, so please don't think I'm talking smack to you.^^'

[theackwardstation]

@Cyan-D-Funk said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

I don't entirely follow; Carrot's goal would be to help bring about the New Dawn, fulfilling the Mink prophecy and Pedro's will, by way of helping Luffy become Pirate King.

Alright, question from the back: has Carrot ever, ever, expressed the desire to do this, in the...six?...years we've known her?

No, Carrot never understood the meaning behind Pedro's Will, so she never expressed the desire to fulfill it. And it's funny because Pedro says "one day you will understand [...]", but that day never happened, lol. Carrot was shown pondering about Pedro's departing words a couple times, and trying to follow up on his path, but failing to understand his Will in her misguided attempt of revenge.

Btw, I must stress that I don't think Pedro's Will demands Carrot to join the SHs, since this isn't a necessary consequence at all. What I find funny is that the conclusion to that set up never came. For example, I can imagine a scene after Luffy saves Wano like a ray of sunshine in the dark, which makes Carrot undertand what Pedro means by "the man who will guide us to the Dawn of the world". And so, in their farewell, Carrot tells Luffy that, as the next Duchess of Zou, she will prepare the minks to help him bring the Dawn to the world, to accomplish Pedro's dream. See how this would bring closure to her character arc? That's more in line with what I expected. But what we got instead at the end of Wano was a Carrot who hadn't understood anything yet, and who became the Duchess of Zou without a motivation or goal to accomplish. She even looks reluctant and displeased. Wtf!

That's why I expect at least a mini-flashback of Carrot if she didn't stowaway. But whether she joins or not, her character is narratively linked to Pedro's Will as a matter of fact, which was explicitly acknowledged by the narrative when the Dukes appointed her as the next ruler of Zou.

[Ivotas]

@theackwardstation said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Cyan-D-Funk said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

I don't entirely follow; Carrot's goal would be to help bring about the New Dawn, fulfilling the Mink prophecy and Pedro's will, by way of helping Luffy become Pirate King.

Alright, question from the back: has Carrot ever, ever, expressed the desire to do this, in the...six?...years we've known her?

No, Carrot never understood the meaning behind Pedro's Will, so she never expressed the desire to fulfill it. And it's funny because Pedro says "one day you will understand [...]", but that day never happened, lol. Carrot was shown pondering about Pedro's departing words a couple times, and trying to follow up on his path, but failing to understand his Will in her misguided attempt of revenge.

Btw, I must stress that I don't think Pedro's Will demands Carrot to join the SHs, since this isn't a necessary consequence at all. What I find funny is that the conclusion to that set up never came. For example, I can imagine a scene after Luffy saves Wano like a ray of sunshine in the dark, which makes Carrot undertand what Pedro means by "the man who will guide us to the Dawn of the world". And so, in their farewell, Carrot tells Luffy that, as the next Duchess of Zou, she will prepare the minks to help him bring the Dawn to the world, to accomplish Pedro's dream. See how this would bring closure to her character arc? That's more in line of what I expected. But what we got instead at the end of Wano was a Carrot who hadn't understood anything yet, and who became the Duchess of Zou without a motivation or goal to accomplish. She even looks reluctant and displeased. Wtf!

That's why I expect at least a mini-flashback of Carrot if she didn't stowaway. But whether she joins or not, her character is narratively linked to Pedro's Will as a matter of fact, which was explicitly acknowledged by the narrative when the Dukes appointed her as the next ruler of Zou.

Very well written. That's also why I'm having a big problem with what this entire "Pedro's Will" thing has become as of lately. I'm not even talking about how it will influence Carrot, because as you said, she is linked to it whether she remains at Zou or joins the crew.

What I'm having a problem with however is Neko and Inu suddenly making "Pedro's Will" a valuable factor in determining the next ruler for Zou. Like where did that come from out of a sudden? If that's a key factor, perhaps you guys should have made Pedro the ruler of Zou in the first place and not have it split between two guys who were at each others throats for two decades. I don't know, it's just that it comes across as "I'm sad that Pedro's dead. You should be the new ruler as you understood him best".

I know that that's a very simplyfied version of the subject and that the will is connected to the dawn of the world, which is important to the entirity of the Mink tribe. But the exact point is, that even without 'Pedro's Will' the entire Dawn of the World thing, has already been important. Back during the Zou arc, it was even labelled as Dawn of the World. And of all people, it was Pedro who made a big deal about it being of utmost importance that Neko and Inu survive because the world's dawn needs them. But now at the end of Wano it suddenly morphed into a Pedro's Will thing. It just confuses me.

[Shift]

Why Carrot? What has she done to deserve being a Straw Hat? I've thought about that for a long time. Especially during Wano, when she had little to do and Yamato came crashing in, I was trying to understand what I originally saw that made me want to stick with her despite it all.

What I've come to understand is Carrot has barely begun her story, and her failings up to now have, in fact, been very important. Failure, inadequacy, weakness. All the Straw Hats have suffered from these at some point in their lives, and it was part of what made the tragedies in their backstories so engaging.

Look at Chopper for instance: he tried so hard to cure Dr. Hiriluk but was naive enough to give him a poison mushroom thinking it was a cure. Yet Hiriluk embraced him, pushed him forward by eating that mushroom anyway so that Chopper would continue to pursue medicine.

Some of Usopp's greatest character development happened precisely because he wasn't strong enough. Zoro used his moment of weakness, losing to Mihawk, to push himself forward. Franky blamed himself and his ships for Tom being taken away and had to overcome those feelings to join. Brook survived his crew's slaughter strictly because his fruit gave him a second life. Jinbe becoming a warlord released Arlong and begged Nami for forgiveness. Nami herself begged Luffy to help her in her darkest moment, as did Robin. Even for Luffy himself, quite a few defining moments were when he failed: losing Shanks' arm, losing his crew, losing Ace.

Pedro told Carrot to move onward. But he messed up, went backward instead by chasing revenge. Obviously I didn't want Carrot to fail at the time; I wanted her to win, I wanted her to have a proper battle with Perospero. But I also wanted her to fight for the right reasons: not for revenge, but because he had to be prevented from attacking others. And when she not only failed, but was happy ro let someone else take care of it, that really annoyed me. I didn't know of she had gotten anything meaningful out of her experience.

But she was presented with yet another way to go backward, by going home to Zou and staying there permanently as it's ruler. And this time, she paused. She didn't decide anything. That is key, that's very important. She remembers Pedro's will, she knows he never chose to be a king and had a mission centuries in the making to fulfill. And for once, Carrot isn’t making a rash, hasty decision. That is crazy important for her.

I really hope that Carrot can stick the landing. I hope she will show why she wants to join, why she must join. I knew she was the one the moment Pedro died, when Luffy counted her among his crew and when she was there to welcome Jinbe back. She's the 10th.

[Ivotas]

As a strong Carrot supporter I feel like I've already said all I can about the character joining so don't need to rehash that. I'd rather like to go the opposite route and point out what I don't really like about her portrayal and honestly is something I think the character can do without. That's the entire thing about turning her a Chopper cheerleader in the first half of Wholecake. It came totally out of the left field and served no purpose at all. And I still think we saw her do the Bropper/Choniki thing at some point in Wano. I can honestly do without a character being another Strawhat's cheerleader in the crew. Sanji get's a pass because he is the same for every woman, not just Nami and Robin. But if I say that Hancock and Bartolomeo would break the dynamic on the Sunny by fangasming over Luffy, then I have to play it fair and say I wouldn't like to see the same thing with Carrot and Chopper.

[SeaOfHope]

@Ivotas said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

As a strong Carrot supporter I feel like I've already said all I can about the character joining so don't need to rehash that. I'd rather like to go the opposite route and point out what I don't really like about her portrayal and honestly is something I think the character can do without. That's the entire thing about turning her a Chopper cheerleader in the first half of Wholecake. It came totally out of the left field and served no purpose at all. And I still think we saw her do the Bropper/Choniki thing at some point in Wano. I can honestly do without a character being another Strawhat's cheerleader in the crew. Sanji get's a pass because he is the same for every woman, not just Nami and Robin. But if I say that Hancock and Bartolomeo would break the dynamic on the Sunny by fangasming over Luffy, then I have to play it fair and say I wouldn't like to see the same thing with Carrot and Chopper.

I somewhat agree with that. Chopper insisted he call her that, so I guess it stuck and Oda persisted with the gag. I wouldn't have a problem with her calling Chopper Bropper/Choniki considering Sanji and Zoro barely, if ever, say each other's names, but the blatant favoritism towards Chopper I can do without.

Oda can explore her other chemistry with the crew, if possible. I like her relationship with Sanji the most since she would probably be the only girl on the ship he won't perv over. Would bring the best out of both of them.

[Ivotas]

@SeaOfHope said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

@Ivotas said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

As a strong Carrot supporter I feel like I've already said all I can about the character joining so don't need to rehash that. I'd rather like to go the opposite route and point out what I don't really like about her portrayal and honestly is something I think the character can do without. That's the entire thing about turning her a Chopper cheerleader in the first half of Wholecake. It came totally out of the left field and served no purpose at all. And I still think we saw her do the Bropper/Choniki thing at some point in Wano. I can honestly do without a character being another Strawhat's cheerleader in the crew. Sanji get's a pass because he is the same for every woman, not just Nami and Robin. But if I say that Hancock and Bartolomeo would break the dynamic on the Sunny by fangasming over Luffy, then I have to play it fair and say I wouldn't like to see the same thing with Carrot and Chopper.

I somewhat agree with that. Chopper insisted he call her that, so I guess it stuck and Oda persisted with the gag. I wouldn't have a problem with her calling Chopper Bropper/Choniki considering Sanji and Zoro barely, if ever, say each other's names, but the blatant favoritism towards Chopper I can do without.

I feel though it the name would stick around it would always have a component of favoritism considering what aniki means in Japanese. Unless we go the Johnny and Yosaku route in which everybody is aniki (or aneki for that matter) that matter. Then I'd be ok with it. Kinda like early Robin, who called everybody in the crew buy their actual traits like swordsman, navigator or longnose.

Oda can explore her other chemistry with the crew, if possible. I like her relationship with Sanji the most since she would probably be the only girl on the ship he won't perv over. Would bring the best out of both of them.

Now here's an interesting topic I see. Do you actually think Sanji would not go "Mellorine" over Carrot? I'm not so sure tbh.

[Alfiere]

Come on guys, you should know better than that by now. Didn't Yamato teach you anything at all?
Of course Carrot declared she wanted to sail with the strawhats till the end of the world. In 3 different occasons at least.

All off-screen.

But only untill next chapter, which will feature a montage of all of them, along with the realization of Pedro's dream as her true dream and her training to enter sulong at will and being able to fight even if it's cloudy.
Half a page should be enough, just before the impressive double page of her burtsing out the barrell.

[Ivotas]

@Alfiere said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

Come on guys, you should know better than that by now. Didn't Yamato teach you anything at all?
Of course Carrot declared she wanted to sail with the strawhats till the end of the world. In 3 different occasons at least.

All off-screen.

But ony untill next chapter, which will feature a montage of all of them, along with the realization of Pedro's will and her training to enter sulong at will.
Half a page should be enough, just before the impressive double page of her burtsing out the barrell.

Dude, stop it! You're killing me lately with these posts of yours.

[theackwardstation]

@Ivotas said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):

As a strong Carrot supporter I feel like I've already said all I can about the character joining so don't need to rehash that. I'd rather like to go the opposite route and point out what I don't really like about her portrayal and honestly is something I think the character can do without. That's the entire thing about turning her a Chopper cheerleader in the first half of Wholecake. It came totally out of the left field and served no purpose at all. And I still think we saw her do the Bropper/Choniki thing at some point in Wano. I can honestly do without a character being another Strawhat's cheerleader in the crew. Sanji get's a pass because he is the same for every woman, not just Nami and Robin. But if I say that Hancock and Bartolomeo would break the dynamic on the Sunny by fangasming over Luffy, then I have to play it fair and say I wouldn't like to see the same thing with Carrot and Chopper.

Eh, I didn't see her as his cheerleader. There was this senpai-kohai relationship, or big brother-little sister, but Carrot was definitely not there to cheer on Chopper as his support to make him look cooler. They were diving the job, and arguably Carrot outshined Chopper in their little side adventure.