Lookout was never important, and when it was needed, Usopp got the job done. He's all about eyesight after all, and mirrors what Van Augur does for the Blackbeards.
I don't think we will get a new introduced job or anything of the sort. As it was pointed out, the Helmsman position was established waaaay before it became a necessity.
Not sure how it would be dumb. It's a real life position. No, it hasn't been specifically mentioned in the story, but the look out position would make sense in a story about pirate crews/ships, especially compared to the wild stuff that people were coming up with Yamato.
@BobLoblaw Yes, it's a position, but in the SH, it's already filled by Usopp for all intents and purposes.
Note that there's a confirmed lookout in the series according to the Vivre Card: Van Augur, who also happens to be a sniper.
Also, regarding Yamato, Logkeeper was also a real life position, and he was the one character who based themselves heavily on a logbook. Even a concept art had him as intent on writing a log. It's no less wild than lookout.
Lookout is not: "hey, there's something happening at the sea, let me take my binoculars and check it out with my great eyesight".
Lookout is: "let me spend my next 6 hours looking at the sea nonstop despite nothing happening because it's my job to notice and report any disturbance or land in sight".
It's one of the most important jobs in a real ship in the real world, even in modern times despite the invention radios, radars and stuff. In theory, according to SBS, the SHs already do it, but they don't have a dedicated lookout. Usopp is not the crew's lookout in any shape or form. It's a very decent ship role for a new crewmember.
@King-Cannon said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@theackwardstation This is actually another problem Carrot has. Her fighting style is too undercooked and not particularly creative.
She only has two named techniques (Eleclaw and Electrical Luna, plus the combo move she used with Wanda that was just a double Eleclaw), whereas SH candidates tend to have numerous named moves by the time they join. People say Yamato was taking too much from Brook, but Carrot wasn't doing anything special either, especially now that Nami has a flying, homing lightning cloud. Even Law does more interesting things with lightning.
It was one reason I thought Yamato was set to join. She had a very impressive moveset in a series where secondary characters are lucky to get 2 or 3 moves. And the use of a club and wolf form made her different enough from Brook to stand on her own.
And that's not taking in account the incredibly situational circumstances behind Sulong.
I hate that argument so much cause this is a thing that can literally be resolved by Oda in 1 max 2 chapters if he wanted to cause lets be real how cool a fighting style is has nothing to do with the on paper pitch.
It has everything to do with the on panel presentation. So it's just kinda a weird argument to me when Oda has never gone beyond the most boring short panel displays of how Carrot actually fights and this argument isn't even very Carrot centric but really can extend to every single character. That doesn't mean though that some on paper pitches aren't a lot more exciting than others, it's more how exciting those are can be immensely subjective and again can like literally be amended with good presentation.
Also I say cool on purpose cause I'm pretty sure that's kinda the main thing, cause on paper there isn't anything "creative" about swordfighter and leg striker either.
Unrelated to the above I'm somehow seeing some weird Carrot merch actually has more validity arguments from people which is complete nonsense. The merch argument has always been bad and we have no meaningful data indication of that changing. There is no "at least with Carrot there's stuff to pull from across hundreds of chapters". It's still a bad argument because it has shown to not have predictive power.
As for roles Oda can make a lookout role work if he wants to but I think people are WAAAAAAY over obsessed trying to find a ship function role when we have archeologist and swordmaster. Arguably musician is also a stretch since it's not really ship essential.
People I feel just generally get into these narrow minded viewpoints like this character is too weak etc.... factors that are literally mutable in not even the span of a chapter.
@King-Cannon
Usopp is a sniper, not a lookout. People were making the same argument when I was saying that Jinbe would be the helmsman. Everyone was like, "They don't need one. Someone else can do it."
@BobLoblaw said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Not sure how it would be dumb. It's a real life position. No, it hasn't been specifically mentioned in the story, but the look out position would make sense in a story about pirate crews/ships, especially compared to the wild stuff that people were coming up with Yamato.
Wild is prob more interesting than lookout, then again. lol
Lookouts' main responsibility on ships was not so much as to sight land and other ships, which is important but can be achieved by anyone with at least one working eye and a telescope, but to spot nearby shallow waters and sea currents, coordinating then with helmsmen and navigators, which requires some sea faring knowledge and expertise. Moreso in this world with crazy nonsensical sea behaviours. So yes it's a totally believable role for an hypothetical new member, not so much for a complete noob at sailing.
(Also, lol at the seemless transition from gloating for "knowing" Yamato wouldn't join in the face of everyone because "it was so clear reading the story" to advocating for fuckin' Carrot of all people basing the argument on merchandise)
Curiosity has its own reason for existing
@Alfiere said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
(Also, lol at the seemless transition from gloating for "knowing" Yamato wouldn't join in the face of everyone because "it was so clear reading the story" to advocating for fuckin' Carrot of all people basing the argument on merchandise)
I find it interesting people act as if Yamato will never join even though it was emphasized on how Luffy still left his invitation open for Yamato to be set on joining up with him after finishing her little tour.
@theackwardstation said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Lookout is: "let me spend my next 6 hours looking at the sea nonstop despite nothing happening because it's my job to notice and report any disturbance or land in sight".
@Alfiere said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Lookouts' main responsibility on ships was not so much as to sight land and other ships, which is important but can be achieved by anyone with at least one working eye and a telescope, but to spot nearby shallow waters and sea currents, coordinating then with helmsmen and navigators, which requires some sea faring knowledge and expertise.
This is pretty cool in fact. Could work well with Nami and Jinbe, thought so far the story has merged that skill with Nami's super weather detection ability.
It's also notable that Carrot as a lookout didn't had a chance to show this level of skill.
(I'm not trying to shot down the possibility, just pointing the current cons).
@theackwardstation said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Lookout is not: "hey, there's something happening at the sea, let me take my binoculars and check it out with my great eyesight".
Lookout is: "let me spend my next 6 hours looking at the sea nonstop despite nothing happening because it's my job to notice and report any disturbance or land in sight".
It's one of the most important jobs in a real ship in the real world, even in modern times despite the invention radios, radars and stuff. In theory, according to SBS, the SHs already do it, but they don't have a dedicated lookout. Usopp is not the crew's lookout in any shape or form. It's a very decent ship role for a new crewmember.
@BobLoblaw said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@King-Cannon
Usopp is a sniper, not a lookout. People were making the same argument when I was saying that Jinbe would be the helmsman. Everyone was like, "They don't need one. Someone else can do it."
No one is saying lookouts aren't a real thing, however, it's a job that is left redundant by already existing crewmembers. As pointed out, the only confirmed lookout in the series also happens to be a sniper who can see beyond the horizon and is built as Usopp's future opponent.
Quartermasters are also a thing after all, but the SH doesn't need one because Nami already does that job decently.
@Alfiere said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Lookouts' main responsibility on ships was not so much as to sight land and other ships, which is important but can be achieved by anyone with at least one working eye and a telescope, but to spot nearby shallow waters and sea currents, coordinating then with helmsmen and navigators, which requires some sea faring knowledge and expertise. Moreso in this world with crazy nonsensical sea behaviours. So yes it's a totally believable role for an hypothetical new member, not so much for a complete noob at sailing.
Jinbe's knowledge of sea currents due to being a fish-man is exactly the reason he is considered an expert helmsman too, which is another reason why a dedicated lookout ain't necessary.
@Zanze said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
The reel of all the Straw Hats complete with bounty and ship profession in the latest chapter gave me a vibe of 'Jinbe-crew's-full.png".
I think this it and at most the final final crewmember is just going to be Vivi
If that is the case, best have this thread locked closed then.
That aside, besides the Lookout and Fighting Style arguments between both parties, the biggest BS argument I found irritating beyond belief, when it comes to Carrot, is the argument of:
"She can't join because Chopper is already the animal in the crew"
or
"Luffy said Zou is like a island of Choppers. Therefore, Carrot can't join"
There can be a lot of other valid reasons why Carrot couldn't or shouldn't join according to some people, but these two arguments I listed above are the biggest BS reasons.
Like, why would Chopper himself be a limit for filling in the animal role of the crew? He's the doctor. Who cares if he's a animal? That is like saying we can't have another human, because we already have another human on the crew. Majority of the SH Crew are humans.
In fact, its more BS, given that "Humans" ARE animals by nature. So that very argument falls into pieces right then and there. As for Luffy's comment...big deal....Luffy is a idiot in most topics. He's the guy who falls for simple traps for god's sake. He's not that bright unless it comes to his friends or the ways of battle when his strong will power comes into play.
Carrot is also, one of those rare people who was able to resist Big Mom's Haoshoku Haki, a former Yonko member to be precise. Even though my faith is very low for her joining, given the recent chapters, she has never lacked in the following:
To me, putting Carrot aside from here, the biggest prequisite for a new crewmate is two things....a good connection with Luffy, but most of all...a connection with the rest of the crew in terms of interaction.
A potential crewmate MUST have these two things above all else. Its also why I don't think people like Hancock will join the crew, given there's no interaction with the crew concerning Hancock, and most of all, Hancock hates cute little animals.
Guess who's the cute animal mascot of the crew? Chopper. If Hancock were to join....she'd be kicking Chopper constantly. And I'm pretty sure that something isn't going to fly with the crew, let alone Luffy. That, and Hancock only has interest in one person, and that is Luffy, to the point of obsession.
That is why, Hancock, to me, is similar to Yamato's character.
@Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
If Hancock were to join....she'd be kicking Chopper constantly.
Nami is constantly beating crewmates up.
Zoro and Sanji are constantly squabbling.
These are just personality traits played for laughs. It would be no different there.
(Also, I don't think that particular behavior would be a recurring joke, since it's part of her "cold empress" facade. I can see it playing once or twice before she gets to know Chopper as a person rather than a pet)
@Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
That, and Hancock only has interest in one person, and that is Luffy, to the point of obsession.
Well, she hasn't really met the crew yet. Aside from Jinbe, that is.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
@Deicide said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
If Hancock were to join....she'd be kicking Chopper constantly.
Nami is constantly beating crewmates up.
Zoro and Sanji are constantly squabbling.These are just personality traits played for laughs. It would be no different there.
(Also, I don't think that particular behavior would be a recurring joke, since it's part of her "cold empress" facade. I can see it playing once or twice before she gets to know Chopper as a person rather than a pet)
@Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
That, and Hancock only has interest in one person, and that is Luffy, to the point of obsession.
Well, she hasn't really met the crew yet. Aside from Jinbe, that is.
The jokes around Nami and Zoro/Sanji arent exactly the same as Hancock's thing to kick cute animals. I don't believe its something that will fade away. That is like saying "Sanji's lovestruck thing will end eventually." and we see nothing of the sort in that area.
As for getting used to the crew...first off, she needs to leave her own people. She's established royality, empress/queen of Amazon Lily. There would have to be a good reason for her to leave her people like that. Sure, she could give rule to her sisters...but nothing in the story has hinted as such.
We are also in the endgame. Her suddenly appearing onto the crew would need to be written really well. I don't see it happening. What I do see happening, especially now that Luffy is a Emperor, is Hancock putting her nation under his flag.
@Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
The jokes around Nami and Zoro/Sanji arent exactly the same as Hancock's thing to kick cute animals. I don't believe its something that will fade away. That is like saying "Sanji's lovestruck thing will end eventually." and we see nothing of the sort in that area.
It's different. Hancock was kicking random cute critters that appeared in her path, not crewmates. I can see her confusing Chopper as one as a gag, but once she gets to know him, I don't see her kicking him.
The gags I can see her keeping around the crew are "looking down on others", "fawning over Luffy" and charming people to do her bidding. That's part of her appeal: she has no end of gags.
@Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
first off, she needs to leave her own people. She's established royality, empress/queen of Amazon Lily.
I'm aware of that, and covered it in my theory. That's part of why being captured is important: it separates her from her tribe, and makes her return to the tribe difficulty because she's putting a target on them.
Another thing that makes her being captured important is that it enables her to face her traumas, allowing the story to explore her past.
That's why I'm waiting her fate so eagerly. Whatever happened to her will reinforce or break my theory. If she's alright, then... well, I guess it won't work out.
But if she's captured... well, she becomes the strong crewmate candidate I've been seeing her as.
@Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
We are also in the endgame. Her suddenly appearing onto the crew would need to be written really well.
She's an endgame character, I have no doubt of that. When she was left behind, I was as certain she'd return to main story as I was of her losing her title. That's why Ch 956 gave me a boost of confidence. It essentially enabled her return.
Now I'm waiting to see if the other pieces of the puzzle will indeed fall where I think they'd fit.
@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@Alfiere said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
(Also, lol at the seemless transition from gloating for "knowing" Yamato wouldn't join in the face of everyone because "it was so clear reading the story" to advocating for fuckin' Carrot of all people basing the argument on merchandise)
I find it interesting people act as if Yamato will never join even though it was emphasized on how Luffy still left his invitation open for Yamato to be set on joining up with him after finishing her little tour.
Please don't make it out like that. I don't believe anyone is saying Yamato is locked out of ever joining. But the idea was that Yamato would be sailing with them now for the last big leg of the journey, getting the last Road Poneglyph, going to Laugh Tale, finding the One Piece, and by all accounts that doesn't look to be the current case. It could change any time, Luffy left it open to any of them to change their minds. But there's no promise that any of them will change their minds either.
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@Shift said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@Alfiere said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
(Also, lol at the seemless transition from gloating for "knowing" Yamato wouldn't join in the face of everyone because "it was so clear reading the story" to advocating for fuckin' Carrot of all people basing the argument on merchandise)
I find it interesting people act as if Yamato will never join even though it was emphasized on how Luffy still left his invitation open for Yamato to be set on joining up with him after finishing her little tour.
But the idea was that Yamato would be sailing with them now for the last big leg of the journey, getting the last Road Poneglyph, going to Laugh Tale, finding the One Piece, and by all accounts that doesn't look to be the current case.
Well yeah, and that's enough for many I've seen to conclude that Yamato will never join actually, regardless of what Oda may do later on. And ya know what, it's probably that feeling exactly Oda may possibly have wanted to give off to keep people guessing and even leave people curious enough to keep characters in conversation. Regardless of how people view Yamato, Oda has been shown to be rather clever, and isn't above misdirecting people if he feels it keeps things in interesting suspense.
That all said, maybe it shouldn't be too surprising Yamato ended up doing what she did, since she seems to be prioritizing Oden above all else at this point, even above Luffy himself, as mentioned before. On the other side of the coin though, Yamato being keen to follow Oden's path is prob the confirmation that Yamato will join, since Oden went to Laugh Tale a year after joining Roger, so Yamato would be set-up to do the same with Luffy in going to Laugh Tale, going by that.
Yamato will sail with the crew as a pirate when Momo and Kinemon do, so pretty much never. You can't really even put Yamato in the same class as Vivi at this point or the whole "you better join us" kind of order that Jinbe got. He'll get a cover story and/or show up during the final war mostly likely, but it won't be as a SH. That ship has sailed (pun 100% intended).
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
@BobLoblaw said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Yamato will sail with the crew as a pirate when Momo and Kinemon do, so pretty much never. You can't really even put Yamato in the same class as Vivi at this point or the whole "you better join us" kind of order that Jinbe got. He'll get a cover story and/or show up during the final war mostly likely, but it won't be as a SH. That ship has sailed (pun 100% intended).
Well I dunno about Kinemon and Momo, since they didn't seem interested in sailing out from Wano and the shogun business unless they see it as absolutely necessary, but Yamato following Oden's path might possibly be confirmation enough in her case.
Vivi is coming back soon ending the debates <3
I'm sure Vivi is boarding the ship, but I don't think she will count as the 11th.
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I really think Oda describing the crew as Luffy and his 9 officers plus the Grand Fleet has closed the door to "new" members.
At this point, it has to be a returning character that's recognized as a crewmate by them.
It's Vivi. The youtube color spread was foreshadowing... Deal with it!
@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@BobLoblaw said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Yamato will sail with the crew as a pirate when Momo and Kinemon do, so pretty much never. You can't really even put Yamato in the same class as Vivi at this point or the whole "you better join us" kind of order that Jinbe got. He'll get a cover story and/or show up during the final war mostly likely, but it won't be as a SH. That ship has sailed (pun 100% intended).
Well I dunno about Kinemon and Momo, since they didn't seem interested in sailing out from Wano and the shogun business unless they see it as absolutely necessary, but Yamato following Oden's path might possibly be confirmation enough in her case.
While there's a greater than 0% chance of that happening, it's still a really low probability. We'll have a better idea of where things are going if/when Yamato gets a cover story. At this point, I think it's safer to wait for more in the story first. Oda's already disappointed Yamato fans once. Might want to keep your hype in check. :)
Repostin my Vivi opinion from a spoiler thread
I think Vivi is the most logical "final nakama" candidate at this point and my only gripe with her is a superficial one. That being she's the progenitor Namiclone and that issue is gonna become 10x more apparent if they're ever on panel together again in black & white now that they have the same hair length. Also the same height which was true before. Literally the only thing that's gonna differentiate them is Viv shows slightly more forehead.
@King-Cannon said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
I really think Oda describing the crew as Luffy and his 9 officers plus the Grand Fleet has closed the door to "new" members.
At this point, it has to be a returning character that's recognized as a crewmate by them.
What about the whole spiel that people have been throwing around with the idea that Straw Hat Pirates need 10 members (not counting captain) so they can match with the 10 Titanic Captains of the Blackbeard Pirates?
@BobLoblaw said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@BobLoblaw said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Yamato will sail with the crew as a pirate when Momo and Kinemon do, so pretty much never. You can't really even put Yamato in the same class as Vivi at this point or the whole "you better join us" kind of order that Jinbe got. He'll get a cover story and/or show up during the final war mostly likely, but it won't be as a SH. That ship has sailed (pun 100% intended).
Well I dunno about Kinemon and Momo, since they didn't seem interested in sailing out from Wano and the shogun business unless they see it as absolutely necessary, but Yamato following Oden's path might possibly be confirmation enough in her case.
While there's a greater than 0% chance of that happening, it's still a really low probability. We'll have a better idea of where things are going if/when Yamato gets a cover story.
I mean, Yamato has said she wanted to follow Oden's path, and Oden went to Laugh Tale with the future Pirate King. I don't have good reason to assume Yamato is lying or hiding anything either, so why shouldn't I actually consider that's where Yamato's story is heading towards?
I feel the story would tell us the team is complete once it is complete.
Be it via event (like a toast with Luffy saying something) or narration.
If not, then we will probably get a comment from Oda or an editor or something. I really doubt they'll let the readers hanging once the crew gets its final iteration.
Well Carrot didn’t appear yet
@Shiebs said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Well Carrot didn’t appear yet
I feel like this message will have to be repeated by 2023.
Well I for one have a set cutoff time: when the crew arrives at the next island, if Carrot isn't with them, I won't argue anymore. But I have reason to suspect something will happen: Jinbe needs his to have his proper toast to celebrate his joining. Luffy has been inconviniently locked in a cage and can't do it yet. When he's out, which I expect will be before they reach the island, he'll definitely want to celebrate Jinbe after all that time waiting for him. That moment may be Carrot's best chance to gain her spot as well. And why her? Because Oda made it clear her story was not over, that she didn't just become ruler of Zou and that Pedro's will still has a part to play in what she chooses to do.
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Again, I don't really see the mood for a toast now. All the Straw Hats are in that "let's all do our usual routine" phase where they just fuck around and wait for the next story to start as we see what's going with other groups.
Toasts are used to conclude arcs. We are already in the next one.
I just realized. Maybe there won't be a tenth crewmate after all, because I forgot that Luffy considers his ship, the Thousand Sunny to be a crewmate too. If so, then the chances of a actual tenth crewmate drops extremely low.
Luffy is always up to celebrate something, and Jinbe was distinctly made unavailable available for the toast at the Wano party. Luffy's going to want to do something once he's let out. It's been held off too many times to just skip over now.
As for the ship, it's not one of the 9 officers, so I think there's still room for a 10th.
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@King-Cannon
I agree. For all we know, the toast happened at the big celebration, but it was off-screened.
The toast happened at the big celebretion of chapter 1053 and it was fully onscreen.
But Oda is a duffus and forgot to draw Jimbe.
@Shift said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
when the crew arrives at the next island, if Carrot isn't with them, I won't argue anymore.
Just to take a step back for a moment, just helped me realize that that’s prob why I tend to get turned away when I try replying to others on not just crewmates discussions, but on general forums like on Arlong Park: when one resorts to the approach of attempting to argue with others, regardless of who’s right and who’s wrong.
I say this here not just for myself, but also as a public acknowledgment at least for those whom would prefer to have more casual discussions, because in all honesty I’ve been really groaning at those whom constantly feel the need to argue about whatever in a heated manner, and I’m sure I’m not alone on that.
So regardless of who truly ends up joining or not, I’ll be attempting to uphold a casual fun vibe throughout it all. Not that I’m trying to be the big boss telling others how to talk on forums, but at least as an encouragement to others to not feel so bad or weary in arguing on forums, because I’m also sure more people would appreciate something less heated like it’s a contest and more casual and fun. Especially as of late considering how divisive and disagreeable these last few chapters been as of late, I think more discussions being fun and casual would be appreciated. I’ll at least try to hold onto that going forward, and encourage anyone else to do the same in case they’re interested in that as well.
@theackwardstation Exactly. The big toast Luffy promised before the raid already happened.
If a toast with Jinbe was going to happen and it didn't happen off panel in Wano, right after leaving Wano would have been the time for it, but that has passed... Blame Nami. If she hadn't decided to go ape shit on Luffy, it may very well have happened.
@Deicide said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
I'm sure Vivi is boarding the ship, but I don't think she will count as the 11th.
The final member of Luffy's crew is, by all accounts, going to be a very short-lived position, wouldn't you agree?
In that case, I would argue Vivi fits that role better than anyone. Not only is she pre-established, which is a necessity for being a serious candidate at this point, but more importantly she's all-but-confirmed to be a major part of the following story arc.
I respect the out-of-left-field Hancock theory, but I'm just not confident Oda is interested in giving Hancock enough of a storyline to develop her properly in the window of time before the series ends. With Vivi, it's all set up and on the calendar, and we're just waiting to see it play out.
@Kurloz said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Repostin my Vivi opinion from a spoiler thread
I think Vivi is the most logical "final nakama" candidate at this point and my only gripe with her is a superficial one. That being she's the progenitor Namiclone and that issue is gonna become 10x more apparent if they're ever on panel together again in black & white now that they have the same hair length. Also the same height which was true before. Literally the only thing that's gonna differentiate them is Viv shows slightly more forehead.
I think Oda could solve that pretty easily by having Vivi eat a Devil Fruit of some kind.
I really hope if we get a new member we’ve never met before they have a really unique and interesting design, I mean after Chopper, Franky, Brook and Jinbei we need someone who looks really interesting to live up to standards
@Shiebs Agreed. A crazy logia fruit could help with that.
@Shin10-Bukuro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@Shiebs Agreed. A crazy logia fruit could help with that.
Hell yes!!!!
Maybe a species we don’t have either
We have, Fishman, Giant, Dwarves, Long Arm, Long Leg (if your counting grand fleet)
So what’s left that would be a good fit
@Shin10-Bukuro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
I'm just not confident Oda is interested in giving Hancock enough of a storyline to develop her properly in the window of time before the series ends.
Hancock was designed for the endgame. Her backstory ties in with the Celestial Dragons and the World Government we are about to deal with. Her entire arc hinged on the loss of the Warlord title that just happened. And that's why she's a stronger candidate than most people still ignore.
I'm sure we will get some clues about her very soon, then we will have a clearer picture of where her story is going.
@Shin10-Bukuro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
With Vivi, it's all set up and on the calendar, and we're just waiting to see it play out.
Hancock's as set up as Vivi is.
I don't think Vivi fans need to worry. She get her spot in the ship, and she's already "nakama". But I don't think she will get the protagonist role. IMO, she will be a companion now just like she was back then.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
@electricmastro You've argued for your candidate and against those of others as much as anyone here. You've been just as much a part of shaping that environment. Personally, I like debate as long as it's respectful of each others' point of view, as I've tried to maintain with you. But I'm also happy to live and let live; you can keep believing in Yamato, I'll do the same for Carrot, and you and I won’t debate each other about it.
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@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@BobLoblaw said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@BobLoblaw said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Yamato will sail with the crew as a pirate when Momo and Kinemon do, so pretty much never. You can't really even put Yamato in the same class as Vivi at this point or the whole "you better join us" kind of order that Jinbe got. He'll get a cover story and/or show up during the final war mostly likely, but it won't be as a SH. That ship has sailed (pun 100% intended).
Well I dunno about Kinemon and Momo, since they didn't seem interested in sailing out from Wano and the shogun business unless they see it as absolutely necessary, but Yamato following Oden's path might possibly be confirmation enough in her case.
While there's a greater than 0% chance of that happening, it's still a really low probability. We'll have a better idea of where things are going if/when Yamato gets a cover story.
I mean, Yamato has said she wanted to follow Oden's path, and Oden went to Laugh Tale with the future Pirate King. I don't have good reason to assume Yamato is lying or hiding anything either, so why shouldn't I actually consider that's where Yamato's story is heading towards?
He did, but Yamato won't be doing everything that Oden did. Will he sail on a yonkou's ship after being dragged for days only to join the PK's ship afterward? Will he meet a time traveling person and have kids with them? Does he want to be Shogun? Like I said, we should all wait to see if there are any cover stories. Right now, Yamato's in ally status along with Kinemon, Momo, Shirahoshi, Barto, and tons of others.
