I saw the trailer in 3d, before Doctor Strange. Looks great but the wow feeling from the first part is missing because the quality jump is smaller, compared to what had been seen before. Regardless, the movie looks good enough that I will watch it just for the optic and hope that there is also a decent story. But since I also watch nature documentaries in cinema, this is not the most important.
Why do people hate James Cameron's Avaturd?
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12 years ago it had the spectacle of cutting edge CGI. But that looks about on par with a AAA video game cutscene nowadays.
Not impressed or intrigued at all.
And I'm not sayign that to be snarky or demeaning. video games are legit on par with that now. And we've had a decade of Marvel stuff now.
Look, jungles, flying mounts, and underwater stuff!
I mean sure, the movie is still going to make a billion dollars but…
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Well, the world design is beautiful. That part was always true. Otherwise . . . eh?
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Avatar has been gone for so long that I've looped back around to being interested in the sequel, based purely on the state of the current Pop Culture blockbuster landscape. I didn't even like the original that much, but now it feels like a breath of fresh air by virtue of not feeling like content blood squeezed from a franchise stone.
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@Daz:
Avatar has been gone for so long that I've looped back around to being interested in the sequel, based purely on the state of the current Pop Culture blockbuster landscape. I didn't even like the original that much, but now it feels like a breath of fresh air by virtue of not feeling like content blood squeezed from a franchise stone.
Lol, they've already made plans to make five of these.
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I know. It may blow up spectacularly, but the fact that A) they've planned a cohesive series in advance, B) its not a damn prequel series, and thus not limited by a "future" status quo that I needs to arrive at cough cough Fantastic Beasts and C) the lack of pop-culture canonized elements mean that pandering fanservice and cameos will probably be light all make me more interested than I otherwise would've been. Even with a pipeline of 3 sequels after this, Avatar as a brand still suddenly feels refreshingly different than its peers.
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Yeah, I've been getting MCU, HP, DC fatigue for a while now. This feels like something fresh in comparison. The original looked pretty and had a paper thin plot anyone could follow. It made money for the same reason ass posts get more likes than anything else on IG.
I mean, what's the worst that can happen. Other than this franchise tanking so hard it brings down the whole industry with it.
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Didn't see the first one in the cinemas when it came out. I only saw it on our small 32" TV screen back in '09. I've always heard people talk about how great the 3D was and how this movie is the only thing that did it so well during those few years when it seemed like every movie was coming out in 3D. I look forward to seeing the re-release of the first film in IMAX 3D as well as this new sequel.
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I might go watch a re-release, but take a few puffs prior to it, lol.
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I saw it in 3D, and to be frank I thought Coraline had better 3D. I can't see 3D anymore due to health issues, but I don't feel like I'd be missing anything anyway.
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This thread being active again has gotten me hunting through to see what I posted about before.
…Me from 10 years ago was a lot angrier.
I've always heard people talk about how great the 3D was and how this movie is the only thing that did it so well during those few years
That's ebcause it was actually filmed with 3D in mind while other films retrofitted it on after the fact to make a quick buck.
Coraline which was actually filmed with two cameras did it well, and CG aniammted films in general do it really well since its nothing for them to render alt perspectives. How to Train Your Dragon and its lfying sequences in particular was apparently really good.
I have depth perception issues so I can't deal with 3D screens, but thats what I've heard.
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That's because it was actually filmed with 3D in mind while other films retrofitted it on after the fact to make a quick buck.
Coraline which was actually filmed with two cameras did it well, and CG animated films in general do it really well since its nothing for them to render alt perspectives. How to Train Your Dragon and its flying sequences in particular was apparently really good.
Yeah, I never saw any of those films in the cinema either. It makes sense though. I did think the 3D worked really well in the first Doctor Strange movie. I saw the sequel recently, alas, in 2D. My friends get headaches watching stuff in 3D, so we had to pass up that opportunity.
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Oh right avatar used to be a thing.
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This thread being active again has gotten me hunting through to see what I posted about before.
…Me from 10 years ago was a lot angrier.
That's ebcause it was actually filmed with 3D in mind while other films retrofitted it on after the fact to make a quick buck.
Coraline which was actually filmed with two cameras did it well, and CG aniammted films in general do it really well since its nothing for them to render alt perspectives. How to Train Your Dragon and its lfying sequences in particular was apparently really good.
I have depth perception issues so I can't deal with 3D screens, but thats what I've heard.
He's the angriest Robby you've ever heard! He's the 10 Years ago Robby Nerd!
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I feel like this movie is like 10 years too late.
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Reminder that 3D is a stupid feature that no one likes it and the only purpose is to give movie theaters a excuse to charge extra money.
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They have to use the tech they spent money on. In current form in might be just a gimmick, but technology moves forward. Bringing color and sound to movies was also met with skepticism at first.
I myself always opt for 2D unless unavailable. Can tolerate 3D nicely but don't like wearing those glasses. -
I'm just glad they stopped doing that thing where they threw like a spear right at the screen to justify the 3D price hike
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I remember flinching at that grenade during village bombardment, lol
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It's weird how something that was so huge at the time can be so completely forgotten. It literally only had appeal as a tech demo, and nothing more. And now that the effects are normalized what is left is just average schlock
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So the first one. I watched it as part of the final day of some school program like 10 years ago. And I fell asleep; I thought it was so boring and didn't get what all the buzz was about. I guess I owe it another chance but it's sat in the back of my mind ever since.
@uniaka:
I feel like this movie is like 10 years too late.
kinda my thoughts. On one hand it's apparently planned out WAY in advance at this point and it probably will look amazing, but I really don't have any desire to check it out. Not really its fault, there was too big of a cultural gap. I do agree that in a world where Michael Mouse gives us 4-5 MCU movies a year, this gets points for not being part of a similar mechanism.
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Reminder that 3D is a stupid feature that no one likes it and the only purpose is to give movie theaters a excuse to charge extra money.
When a movie is made with 3D as a focus, like Avatar, it's worth it, but 99.9% of movies aren't. And like said before, when it's animation like Coraline it can be implemented even more interestingly. Other than that? Yeah, no reason to see it.
Funnily enough the part of Coraline 3D that impressed me the most wasn't anything fancy, it was when the camera is looking at Coraline through a window, and man, I felt like I could TOUCH the window. It made the glass just that real.
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Here's me thinking the reason it got so much hate was because the plot was stolen from ferngully and Pocahontas.
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And the lamb lies down on Broadway
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That meme where they had a Pocahontas script summary, with like John Smith crossed out and Jake Sully written in the margins in ink was pretty great.
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And Dances with Wolves
And Lawrence of Arabia
And Road to El Dorado
And Atlantis: The Lost Empire
And The Smurfs
haha yes I almost forgot how unorignal this film was.
You know I feel like this list could be even bigger. I mean just look at Colonel Quaritch. The epitome of military cliché.
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Reviews are out
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These thread titles on this forum man lol
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Consensus is:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/avatar_the_way_of_waterAbsolutely, fuckingly gorgeous, but story-wise rather bland. Which is basically what we all thought it would be.
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That sounds pretty good, honestly. What I enjoyed in the first movie was the spectacle. That's all I want. Pretty alien planet with glowy stuff.
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This movie was so fucking good I wish it was longer. Big Jim did it again.
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Yeah, just put out a sequel nobody wanted 13 years later and have it become 7th highest grossing movie in less than a month. The king!
Loved the movie. Not saying there weren't faults, and some omissions, but anyone calling it out for bad script and lack of character depth clearly isn't aware of what exactly they were watching.
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@Razh said in Why do people hate James Cameron's Avaturd?:
Loved the movie. Not saying there weren't faults, and some omissions, but anyone calling it out for bad script and lack of character depth clearly isn't aware of what exactly they were watching.
"It's got eye candy so its okay if its banal?" Is that the takeaway?
It really wouldn't kill the man to have high end special effects AND a decent script with memorable characters.
Like he managed it with Titanic and the Terminator films.
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@Robby said in Why do people hate James Cameron's Avaturd?:
@Razh said in Why do people hate James Cameron's Avaturd?:
Loved the movie. Not saying there weren't faults, and some omissions, but anyone calling it out for bad script and lack of character depth clearly isn't aware of what exactly they were watching.
"It's got eye candy so its okay if its banal?" Is that the takeaway?
It really wouldn't kill the man to have high end special effects AND a decent script with memorable characters.
Like he managed it with Titanic and the Terminator films.
It's still enjoyable. Even if I think the family (and character in general) interactions were bland and predictable, the story wasn't given any real depth, protagonists were downgraded and a villain is the most interesting person in the whole movie.
Unlike Titanic and Terminator, Avatar is largely aimed at kids. Cameron is not an idiot and the plot is simplified for a reason. Honestly, looking at the numbers, seems he was spot on?
It's not that I disagree with you, but the movie just works as it is. I don't have high expectations when I go to see an action spectacle such as this. Don't expect dialogues and characters that will stick with me for years. In a perfect world, maybe we'd get an action spectacle that pushes technology boundaries and runs for best picture/actor/script etc at the Oscars at the same time.
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Maybe but as a result I was just bored and ready for it to be over long, long before it got to the end.
Pure eye candy or pure action get dull eventually. It needs something else.
But then there are people going to see these things like 8 times in two weeks so I have no idea what's wrong with them.
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I saw it once. That was enough for me. Just like the first one.
Oh yeah, and supposedly the next movie is going to focus on fire Navi. This is straight up just turning into the other Avatar.
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Doesn't seem like there's any reason to see it if not in 3D. I can't see 3D, so there is no reason.
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3D definitely helps with the immersion, once your brain stops seeing those obnoxious green lines, but if you're able to let your imagination take over it won't matter that much. It's still the most advanced CGI so far, and worth seeing on big(ger) screen. And those action bits, damn.
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@Nobodyman said in Why do people hate James Cameron's Avaturd?:
I saw it once. That was enough for me. Just like the first one.
Oh yeah, and supposedly the next movie is going to focus on fire Navi. This is straight up just turning into the other Avatar.
When does Nickelodeon start meddling or the writers stumble down the stretch after a long build?
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Maybe Cameron's tired of everyone getting his Avatar and other Avatar mixed up. So he decided to try and steal their elements part.
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In the interest of fairness the Fifth Element touched elements decades before either
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The Water, Fire, Air, Earth element philosophy goes all the way back to ancient Greece.
It's just funny that two series named Avatar could potentially implement it.
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Long as they don't do Heart, that's Captain Planet's territory.
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Lol. Not Avatar, but it looks like James has had enough with people claiming that Jack didn't need to die to save Rose:
https://movieweb.com/james-cameron-debunks-titanic-floating-door-fan-theory-with-science-in-new-doc/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=EchoBox&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0b1D70I3f8pldmPsEQl4JMUtM-BhMD7PuFUeFUPpuHjkS8ldtdbF57qpQ#Echobox=1673880623Titanic was a better movie than Avatar, so if you liked it, hey, there's a documentary.
