He's only half his actual size though. Franky, Jinbe and Brook are to scale.
Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 8 - Onigashima)
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Huh
I can’t see the picture what does it show
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I can’t see the picture what does it show
An anime ad with Kaido's crew against the Straw Hats, Law, Kid and Yamato.
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https://i.imgur.com/pxmHSHk.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/W53Px41.jpgYep, seemed coincidental in light of this. Maybe too coincidental. Probably nothing, but the coincidence is interesting nonetheless. Hehe.
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Nami and Yamato looking similar with their faces and poses.
Also, I think people should stop looking for clues outside of the manga. Yamato is down there with Law and Kidd like…
! https://i.imgur.com/STLif6l.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/pxmHSHk.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/W53Px41.jpgYes 100 times. Meta hints are bad and arguing they're retrospectively right is honestly just confirmation bias. People will probably disagree with me here but I don't even respect any of the "any one of these for themselves doesn't mean much but all of the meta hints together are hard to ignore" line of thinking. In the end all that stuff I assume relates much more to marketing goals and potential sales than anything else.
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Imo people should just stick to the story. :ninja:
Well, in that case what do you feel the story is telling us so far then?
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Well, in that case what do you feel the story is telling us so far then?
Darth has been very clear that he thinks the story has been very heavily hinting at Yamato being the next crewmate.
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Yeah basically although it's weird to me to frame it as hinting.
Like would people frame that the story is hinting at Luffy beating Kaido? Luffy declared he is going to do it. He is the protagonist. Seems like a foregone conclusion that it's going to happen.
Same way Yamato declared to sail with Luffy after all of this. They've had massive presence in an arc with a massive amount of characters. They're clearly not just your Hyogorou level side character. shrug
Look I wish there was more vagueness would make clowning around a lot more interesting. But no argument so far has moved past why Oda would waste so much panel space to lie to us several times when he also has given us a timeframe in which he wants to finish it up that seems way to short to basically all of us.
That said I ain't married to this stance, if new info appears like Oda giving us a new timeframe that is like + 5 years on top his last one or the actual story starts 180 on the statements I'll be the first to acknowledge it. -
Look I wish there was more vagueness would make clowning around a lot more interesting. But no argument so far has moved past why Oda would waste so much panel space to lie to us several times when he also has given us a timeframe in which he wants to finish it up that seems way to short to basically all of us.
You could go the other way, though: is Oda just being obvious because it's happening so late? If Yamato wasn't saying anything about wanting to go on an adventure, then the >50 chapters between meeting him and the end of Onigashima would be spent thinking of him as Momonosuke's muscle (as Orochi had Kaido) instead of an adventurer. His departure from Wano would then feel even more "too late" in the story.
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You could go the other way, though: is Oda just being obvious because it's happening so late? If Yamato wasn't saying anything about wanting to go on an adventure, then the >50 chapters between meeting him and the end of Onigashima would be spent thinking of him as Momonosuke's muscle (as Orochi had Kaido) instead of an adventurer. His departure from Wano would then feel even more "too late" in the story.
I don't understand the premise of it being too late at all. Beyond that I don't see the point in intentionally being contrarian to things pointing a specific direction. That approach in my experience just doesn't really yield fruitful results vs acknowledging when things point in a certain direction while also staying open to new information.
Lastly the whole "if he wouldn't have said anything" is already a weird premise. Yes if Oda didn't make the character state their motivations we wouldn't know them. If Oda made them have a different goal we'd regard them differently. It's like what's the actual point here? I've said before Yamato didn't have to be the way he has turned out to be there is a very easy version of the character that feels much more like an arc specific side character. You'd just have to cut some panels away but really the bottom line of that statement is still just if things were different they'd be different. It's kind of a circular argument.
In the end Oda made Yamato state their motivation several times. He gave him a connection to Ace that didn't need to exist. Frankly the whole character didn't need to exist and several aspects of Yamato probably could have rolled into Tama and other people. But fact is the character does exist and as such when you'd consider them in the context of the story I think it's much more sound considering all the context that Oda has given us instead of imagining other scenarios that aren't the case to make a point. -
I don't understand the premise of it being too late at all. Beyond that I don't see the point in intentionally being contrarian to things pointing a specific direction. That approach in my experience just doesn't really yield fruitful results vs acknowledging when things point in a certain direction while also staying open to new information.
I misunderstood, I thought you meant that the short timeframe was related to Yamato's late appearance.
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I misunderstood, I thought you meant that the short timeframe was related to Yamato's late appearance.
Oh I see. Allow me to clarify to anyone else coming in later then in case it's confusing, I was referring to Oda's estimated timeframe of when One Piece is going to finish is largely regarded as too short by the fanbase based on the remaining plot threads and Oda's general tendencies. I'd say many would at least say he is off by 2 years which might still be too short.
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I wonder if this is a habit of Yamato's - worrying about the worst case scenario.
Yamato didn't leave Onigashima because he feared in the worst case scenario i.e. his explosive cuffs being genuine
Yamato left Momonosuke to head for the Onigashima basement because he feared the worst case scenario of the bombs going offWhen Yamato begins to worry, he has that look.
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Once is a moment. Twice is a suspicion. But thrice seems like a characteristic.Will they be a third time for Yamato? Given where Yamato is going, I believe they may.
With the CP-0 about to make their move, if Yamato were to see them, I would be curious to see how he would react to their appearance. Based on Oden's adventure, Yamato should be aware of the natural enemies of Pirates - Marines - and the organisation that controls them - the World Government. Whitebeard did comment to Oden that Wano was still free because the World Government do not control them. Roger even told Oden that the World Government banned the deciphering of Poneglyphs long ago. Oden may have made a note about the World Government in his journal and possibly alluded to them being enemies of Wano. If this is the case, I wouldn't be surprised if Yamato's mind slips once again to the worst case scenario when he notices the CP-0 - "ah, if they are here, it must mean the World Government are targeting Wano". After dealing with the explosives, this worry could dictate how Yamato proceeds i.e. going back to Momo and asking him to move Onigashima to the entrance of Wano where the Marine ships would be stationed or conversing with the Straw Hat Pirates.
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Whatever the case, I still expect with the Marines making an appearance in Wano that the full force of the Straw Hat Pirates will be on display for the World Government to see. The Grand Fleet may have already caught wind of the Marines movement to Wano and dispatched their forces there to defend the Straw Hat Pirates. Such a development would make sense in the context of the current saga where the Straw Hat Pirates are building themselves up as a force equivalent to that of the Yonko. Defeating Kaido and forcing Big Mom to withdraw on top of having the Straw Hat Pirates Grand Fleet make their appearance within Wano would be an expression of how significant Luffy and the Straw Hat Pirates have become within the New World. -
I wonder if this is a habit of Yamato's - worrying about the worst case scenario.
This is an interesting observation! I would suggest that there is a key difference between the first instance and the latter two: before Luffy removed the cuffs, Yamato was afraid to act because he was afraid of the worst case. After being freed by Luffy and seeing that the worst case was the reality, Yamato is no longer paralyzed by fear, and is now taking the initiative.
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You could go the other way, though: is Oda just being obvious because it's happening so late? If Yamato wasn't saying anything about wanting to go on an adventure, then the >50 chapters between meeting him and the end of Onigashima would be spent thinking of him as Momonosuke's muscle (as Orochi had Kaido) instead of an adventurer. His departure from Wano would then feel even more "too late" in the story.
Not sure about it being "too late", as others have said, since then it could be reasonably said that Jinbe feels like he joined up too late, even though he met Luffy at Impel Down.
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Not sure about it being "too late", as others have said, since then it could be reasonably said that Jinbe feels like he joined up too late, even though he met Luffy at Impel Down.
And Oda intentionally gave the last two members connections with Ace - by extension giving their connection with Luffy a different dynamic than the rest of the crew.
For me, I think we had this discussion a couple of thread pages ago, Yamato's "late recruitment" is a non-issue.
- He established in the flashback that Oden was Roger's very last recruit (the final year of their journey); Yamato is being paralleled as Luffy's Oden - the inexperienced but enthusiastic adventurer.
I want AND expect Yamato to join the crew, but I will always believe that he was introduced/recruited late - that's fine. His relationship with Luffy was built up differently (each crew member is) and I appreciate it.
For comparing Yamato and Jinbe being lumped together as crewmembers who joined up too late - the readers have known Jinbe since Impel Down as you said, and was formally asked by Luffy 10 years ago - we always knew he was going to join. He was also there in one of One Piece's milestone arcs - Marineford and the ensuing chapters leading up to 3D2Y (underrated moment of the series when Oda had him be the one to talk sense into Luffy about counting what he still had left, not what he had lost).
I didn't expect that we will be introduced to a character like Yamato as I've always thought Jinbe will be the last one. I've been pleasantly surprised on how he grew on me ever since the introduction. Looking forward to how the crew members will react knowing that they picked up two powerhouses by the time they depart Wano.
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And Oda intentionally gave the last two members connections with Ace - by extension giving their connection with Luffy a different dynamic than the rest of the crew.
Yeah, Yamato does seem to have some parallels with other crewmates: Luffy releasing her physical bonds like with Zoro, being threatened with explosive cuffs because of an abusive dad like with Sanji, people afraid of her as a monster like with Chopper, growing up with victimized people around her like with Robin, etc.
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Pretty much was the situation in Wano for a few chapters there.
Also reminds me Kid is so lame as a rival. Poor man's Bakugo.
Queen should be WAY MORE prominent in that pic.
Yes 100 times. Meta hints are bad and arguing they're retrospectively right is honestly just confirmation bias. People will probably disagree with me here but I don't even respect any of the "any one of these for themselves doesn't mean much but all of the meta hints together are hard to ignore" line of thinking. In the end all that stuff I assume relates much more to marketing goals and potential sales than anything else.
Imo people should just stick to the story. :ninja:Are we finally being with rational about "meta-hints"?
Its hilarious and pathetic to me when they're brought up for characters they wish to join but downplayed when its for characters who have in story signs pointing to joining and those meta clues.
@Roosta:You could go the other way, though: is Oda just being obvious because it's happening so late? If Yamato wasn't saying anything about wanting to go on an adventure, then the >50 chapters between meeting him and the end of Onigashima would be spent thinking of him as Momonosuke's muscle (as Orochi had Kaido) instead of an adventurer. His departure from Wano would then feel even more "too late" in the story.
Yeah, this hypothetical scenario totally warps the story though when you talk about readers would think then.
Its not as simple as take put when Yamato declared to Kaido he would join Luffy. You're saying remove all the times Yamato expressed anything about wanting to leave or go on adventure exploring the world. That's a good sizeable chunk of Yamato's personality and character.
Just a weird way to go about the too late in the story argument or that being the other way of what Oda is actually doing in the story.
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Oden may have made a note about the World Government in his journal and possibly alluded to them being enemies of Wano.
Speaking of which, depending on how much Oden wrote down, I imagine that in any case Yamato would want to accomplish anything Oden tried to, but couldn't, possibly tying into any post-Wano border opening dream. Oden himself not only mentioned Wano waiting for Joy Boy's return, but also the rest of the world, also possibly tying into what Yamato knows about regarding the Dawn of the World, which Momo was said to be at least one relevant figure to.
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Speaking of which, depending on how much Oden wrote down, I imagine that in any case Yamato would want to accomplish anything Oden tried to, but couldn't, possibly tying into any post-Wano border opening dream. Oden himself not only mentioned Wano waiting for Joy Boy's return, but also the rest of the world, also possibly tying into what Yamato knows about regarding the Dawn of the World, which Momo was said to be at least one relevant figure to.
I wondered if this played into Yamato's decision to try and disable the explosives, actually. If the island explodes, it may be enough to kill Momo. Disabling the explosives would at least keep Momo safe, regardless of the fate of Onigashima.
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The curious thing about Oden's adventure is that I don't believe he went to Elbaf with the Roger Pirates. At least it wasn't explicitly shown during the earlier flashbacks. Elbaf is one of the guaranteed stops for the Straw Hat Pirates based on the set-up laid by Oda over the course of the series and that is an area Oden wasn't shown to visit. I wonder why that wasn't the case.
It will be interesting to see how the story tied to Elbaf links to the history of the Ancient Civilisation (was Joy Boy a Giant?) and to the story of the other Giant races (the Giant race Jaguar D. Saul belonged to, the Ancient Giants whom are possibly the ancestors of Oni, Rock and Scotch's Giant race and whatever Giant race Sanjuan Wolf is). Considering Hajrudin's dream is to be King of ALL Giants (not just Elbaf) and that Oda has made him a Captain of the Straw Hat Pirate Grand Fleet, there should be some story to explore there. It may be largely off-screened but I suspect varying Giant races will come into play at some point. Such a union may culminate during the Elbaf Island Arc story. Giants also having such long lives means that the history available in Elbaf and from other Giants would be more etched into their culture opposed to normal human races where life is more transitory and as such more dispersed in their history. Considering this and the fact that "D" is also associated with Giants, it makes sense why their story is being saved for the latter parts of One Piece - because history will be more applicable through them.
I also wonder if Yamato will come to learn more about the Oni from Elbaf as it does not appear Yamato will get much more time to talk to Kaido during this arc. The Oni race weren't just simply introduced by Oda without further exploration. And a possible place the Oni race will get a deeper dive into could be Elbaf, if not through Kaido. It would also be fascinating to find out if there is an ancient connection between Wano and the Giants. Elbaf when whatever issue plagues them is dealt with can join Wano in their opposition to the World Government going forward. There are one of the few nations that aren't aligned with the World Government and a reason for why may relate back to Joy Boy.
Even if Yamato doesn't join the Straw Hat Pirate officially after Wano, he will travel with them based on what Oda has set up and there can potentially be room for him to be further highlighted and explored in future arcs.
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Yeah basically although it's weird to me to frame it as hinting.
Yeah hinting was simply the word that came to mind 1st, what was thinking is that Oda is really doing everything short of outright having Luffy say it on panel, which he probably will at some point too.
Yamato just feels very nailed on to be the next crewmate.
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It is interesting that, despite seeming like there many people that see Yamato as a done deal, the vote still has it as a 50/50 split. As a point of comparison, someone linked me to http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=15963, which was a vote for Brook a few chapters before he joined, and it was 86/14.
I felt that Jinbe's formal toast as a Strawhat being interrupted was a worrying death flag… until I realized that it could just as well foreshadow gaining a crewmate instead of losing one. Luffy said they would wait for the feast... and on the next page, Kaido says that his son needs to be at the feast (which is Yamato's first mention in the manga). I've felt like everything since then (you should give me a ride, I would die for Momonosuke, I'm going to sea with Luffy, guardian deity, etc.) has just been Oda trying to toy with readers. If I hadn't seen any vote I would have thought he wasn't doing a very good job, but seeing the vote as 50/50... I guess he is?
I also wonder if Yamato will come to learn more about the Oni from Elbaf as it does not appear Yamato will get much more time to talk to Kaido during this arc.
My guess on this front is that being an Oni played an important role in Kaido's life, but his story will need to be resolved by the end of Wano. Having Yamato around will be a way for the Strawhats to have an interest in the history of Oni with Kaido out of the picture.
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It is interesting that, despite seeming like there many people that see Yamato as a done deal, the vote still has it as a 50/50 split.
The poll was made a year ago when Yamato was first introduced, and you can't change your vote later. It'd probably have a fairly different result if it was made fresh now.
Also its a 50/50 split with 9 other options on there. If it was just a yes/no it'd also be different.
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The curious thing about Oden's adventure is that I don't believe he went to Elbaf with the Roger Pirates. At least it wasn't explicitly shown during the earlier flashbacks. Elbaf is one of the guaranteed stops for the Straw Hat Pirates based on the set-up laid by Oda over the course of the series and that is an area Oden wasn't shown to visit. I wonder why that wasn't the case.
It will be interesting to see how the story tied to Elbaf links to the history of the Ancient Civilisation (was Joy Boy a Giant?) and to the story of the other Giant races (the Giant race Jaguar D. Saul belonged to, the Ancient Giants whom are possibly the ancestors of Oni, Rock and Scotch's Giant race and whatever Giant race Sanjuan Wolf is). Considering Hajrudin's dream is to be King of ALL Giants (not just Elbaf) and that Oda has made him a Captain of the Straw Hat Pirate Grand Fleet, there should be some story to explore there. It may be largely off-screened but I suspect varying Giant races will come into play at some point. Such a union may culminate during the Elbaf Island Arc story. Giants also having such long lives means that the history available in Elbaf and from other Giants would be more etched into their culture opposed to normal human races where life is more transitory and as such more dispersed in their history. Considering this and the fact that "D" is also associated with Giants, it makes sense why their story is being saved for the latter parts of One Piece - because history will be more applicable through them.
I also wonder if Yamato will come to learn more about the Oni from Elbaf as it does not appear Yamato will get much more time to talk to Kaido during this arc. The Oni race weren't just simply introduced by Oda without further exploration. And a possible place the Oni race will get a deeper dive into could be Elbaf, if not through Kaido. It would also be fascinating to find out if there is an ancient connection between Wano and the Giants. Elbaf when whatever issue plagues them is dealt with can join Wano in their opposition to the World Government going forward. There are one of the few nations that aren't aligned with the World Government and a reason for why may relate back to Joy Boy.
Even if Yamato doesn't join the Straw Hat Pirate officially after Wano, he will travel with them based on what Oda has set up and there can potentially be room for him to be further highlighted and explored in future arcs.
It might be tied into Nika, since “sun god” was mentioned in Big Mom’s flashback at Elbaf.
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I'd definitely change my vote if the poll was reset.
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I'd definitely change my vote if the poll was reset.
Agreed, I’m not 100% sold on Yamato but I’d def be willing to take a bet on him joining
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I can make a new poll, but it will have to completely replace the old one unless we make a whole new thread again. But the results can be moved into their own post and the new one put in if there are no objections.
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OK, time for a new thread with a new poll about whether we should put a new poll in this thread.
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Can we have a mail-in ballot option I don't trust this site's polls since Whitebeard beat Makino.
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It is interesting that, despite seeming like there many people that see Yamato as a done deal, the vote still has it as a 50/50 split. As a point of comparison, someone linked me to http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=15963, which was a vote for Brook a few chapters before he joined, and it was 86/14.
Brook's competition were a bunch of zombies.
Thriller Bark was more self contained than Skypeia and just didn't involve a lot of new characters let alone supporting ones.
Since Brook, strawhat new crewmates haven't operated in the old fairly simple format.
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The poll results for this one should remain, so we know which side to mock.
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Brook's competition were a bunch of zombies.
Thriller Bark was more self contained than Skypeia and just didn't involve a lot of new characters let alone supporting ones.
Since Brook, strawhat new crewmates haven't operated in the old fairly simply format.
And yet there were people doubting that Brook would join back then, whether thinking that "it's just one of Luffy's impulses" or whatever else:
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I can make a new poll, but it will have to completely replace the old one unless we make a whole new thread again. But the results can be moved into their own post and the new one put in if there are no objections.
At that point we might as well just make a Vol 9. thread.
This one just passed 500 pages, it's probably time for a refresh anyway.
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At that point we might as well just make a Vol 9. thread.
This one just passed 500 pages, it's probably time for a refresh anyway.
Yeah, doesn't it restart once it passes over 10,000 posts?
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Yeah, doesn't it restart once it passes over 10,000 posts?
That's tradition, not a rule.
Some threads have been allowed to go much longer if it seemed appropriate.
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And yet there were people doubting that Brook would join back then, whether thinking that "it's just one of Luffy's impulses" or whatever else:
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To be fair all of those posts are from Brooks' first appearance, when Luffy invited him at the end of chapter 442. So it really could go either way at that point (I mean, not much time later Luffy would ask a tree the same).
But IIRC, people quickly grew attached to him the very next chapter, when there were many fun interactions with the whole crew, something Oda didn't give Yamato yet.
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To be fair all of those posts are from Brooks' first appearance, when Luffy invited him at the end of chapter 442. So it really could go either way at that point (I mean, not much time later Luffy would ask a tree the same).
And wouldn't surprise me if that was Oda's way of keeping people guessing if Brook would join or not, with the idea of red herrings and Luffy impulsing his way into asking trees to join, playing off of that first appearance. I don't blame him though, since it wouldn't be fun at all if it was 100% obvious to everyone if someone would join.
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I will never understand how Oda introduced a talking skeleton musician with an afro and a yohoho laugh that poops who Luffy asked to join immediately in a two page spread… and people had doubts about him joining.
Folks didn't get on board until the Laboon connection came to light.
I will never understand.
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I was sold the moment I seen a Skeleton with an Afro that was a gentleman.
Brook's character just screamed love from the first appearance.
Jinbe was a different case. I came to love him during the Battle of Marineford Arc where I came to want him to be part of the SHP.
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I will never understand how Oda introduced a talking skeleton musician with an afro and a yohoho laugh that poops who Luffy asked to join immediately in a two page spread… and people had doubts about him joining.
Folks didn't get on board until the Laboon connection came to light.
I will never understand.
I don't know, it's easy to say that in hindsight. Whoever joins after Wano (if any), their respective fanbase will act as if it's been obvious for a very long time even though we know that there are plenty of people who doubted it or straight up disagreed. And coming from an arc where Oda deliberately played with red herrings and sowing doubt everywhere I can kinda understand why people would still be wary of something that is so "in your face" as Brook's introduction was.
Heck, some people still believe that Jimbei is going to die before the arc is over because his toast was postponed. I also don't understand, just as I don't understand the arguments people are bringing up for Carrot or Tama, but if we're all equally convinced of our contradicting interpretations I'll be careful to call anything obvious. -
I remember when I was catching up during the Water 7 saga and initially thought Paulie would join over Franky… along with many others. Man, those were the days. Still think fighting with ropes is cool and unique, shame it was just a one-off.
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I remember when I was catching up during the Water 7 saga and initially thought Paulie would join over Franky… along with many others. Man, those were the days. Still think fighting with ropes is cool and unique, shame it was just a one-off.
Yep, they were! I was team Paulie too when he first appeared
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I remember when I was catching up during the Water 7 saga and initially thought Paulie would join over Franky… along with many others. Man, those were the days. Still think fighting with ropes is cool and unique, shame it was just a one-off.
I watched OP because of the pandemic, and was sure that Galley-La was made just for fans to try and guess who the shipwright was going to be… I even had a little bracket of the members that I was going to eliminate over time. Paulie being the gambler who didn't fit in as well as the rest made him the obvious front runner, but as soon as Franky appeared with Bon Clay's VA and a job in ship demolition, it was obvious where it was headed.
I didn't intend to push people to make a new thread... that Brook thread was made as the Thriller Bark battle was winding down, so maybe a good time for a new poll would be around the conclusion of the raid?
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The Water 7 bait and switch worked well because we started the arc with the mission of finding a new crewmate. Then we were presented with many cool carpenters and could speculate a lot as to how or why they would join.
Meanwhile, in Wano, the setup was created only by the fans. We speculated that someone will join in Wano and that it would be tbe last possible arc for another nakama. So we think that Yamato openly declaring his desire to sail with Luffy as a bait. But it would be a bait that wasn't set up by the story. So, anyone thinking Yamato won't join can try to come up with scenarios in which he stays. They are possible scenarios, but a bit contrieved
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Here's another thread… this one was started near the end of the sea train ride towards Enies Lobby. http://www.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=2635 Even the first comment sounds oddly familiar: "I reckon Franky will stay at water7 and help iceberg rebuilt it or somethign like that"
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Here's another thread… this one was started near the end of the sea train ride towards Enies Lobby. http://www.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=2635 Even the first comment sounds oddly familiar: "I reckon Franky will stay at water7 and help iceberg rebuilt it or somethign like that"
16 years later and we're still at "Yamato will stay to become Momo's retainer" / "Carrot will return to Zou to nibble on some grass"
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16 years later and we're still at "Yamato will stay to become Momo's retainer" / "Carrot will return to Zou to nibble on some grass"
Everyone does their best to try and find precedent/past events to try and predict what's going to happen. Vivi was a "bait", so now anything can be a bait. In reality, though, nobody has ever stowed away on the Sunny like Carrot did, and nobody has ever walked up to Luffy and asked to join him like Yamato did, so both are pretty unprecedented.
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That stowing away part happened with Robin though….