It's out: https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1007306
So, is he or isn't he…?
(I think this is a volume ender).
It's out: https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1007306
So, is he or isn't he…?
(I think this is a volume ender).
Really liked the twist. I suspected Kaido wanted to make his son shogun but wow.
Well, what an interesting chapter with Worldwide Events implicated. I really like the ancient weapon and Marine HQ stuff the most because it pretty much means some involvement from them.
The Yamato stuff is going to send the fanbase into a frenzy and I think I might board the train… despite the well 'that'
The Kiku and Scabbards vs Kanjuro stuff did feel a little flat for me, but maybe after some context reveal, it'll be different
As promised, I am here to brag again:
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New Onigashima project dumb prediction: Kaido announces the alliance with the BMP and says the Onigashima forces will take rule of Wano. Fukurokuju is contained by King. Orochi's execution is announced to take place along with Momonosuke's. Kaido announces his son as the new shogun.
Obviously that's not all, I also want to mention that… hmm... nope, that was all.
It's pretty convenient to get your head chopped out when you're an Orochi. I wonder what part he (and Kanjuro) have to play in the future of the arc. Also, Yamato is going to be hellaciously strong when those cuffs come off. Can't wait to see it.
It's pretty convenient to get your head chopped out when you're an Orochi. I wonder what part he (and Kanjuro) have to play in the future of the arc. Also, Yamato is going to be hellaciously strong when those cuffs come off. Can't wait to see it.
Yeah, I suspect Yamato has a DF with high regen since it's implied Kaidou beat them even when younger
It pisses me off that Orochi is obviously going to resurrect just like Doflamingo. Because otherwise, that scene would have been great
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As promised, I am here to brag again:
Obviously that's not all, I also want to mention that… hmm... nope, that was all.
Grats on that. Almost hit the bullseye!
Who do you think Fukurokuju will align with?
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I'll make some risky predictions:
Orochi is DEAD. For real. No resurrection, no ink clone, no extra heads from his DF. Dead.
Once Kanjuro, the last Kurozumi, learns of Orochi's dead, he won't join Kaido, but assume the main role as the bane of the Kouzuki, and try to wipe them out, hunting Momo and Hiyori down, with manic determination, as the last thing he does.
I think Yamato is a trap. He's lying. He seems nervous about the cuffs being removed (because they are false). He seemed to know advanced armament haki since he was able to counter Luffy's last chapter. His father respects his choice to be a man and trusts him enough to give him the rule over Wano. He uses his father's fighting style rather than Oden. He's luring Luffy to his father to prove his worth. And his reward will be Orochi's DF: the Yamata no Orochi.
Kaido knows about the invasion. He knows everything through Caribou. He's about to give the Kouzuki que same choice he gave to the Kurozumi followers.
Judging from the spoiler discussions, almost no one agrees with that, but I'll leave it here to claim credit if it happens.
I really like Kaidou's plan and the whole 'building a pirate empire' stuff. The dude is a proper warlord.
Luffy and Yamato bickering was fun. But like I said in the spoiler thread, she is a bit bland for Kaidou's kid. I hope we get more backstory.
It's hard to put into words but her whole deal seems like… too light or something? I hope someone gets what I'm trying to say. Or maybe Kaidou has a second kid, who knows.
Grats on that. Almost hit the bullseye!
Who do you think Fukurokuju will align with?
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I'll make some risky predictions:
Orochi is DEAD. For real. No resurrection, no ink clone, no extra heads from his DF. Dead.
Once Kanjuro, the last Kurozumi, learns of Orochi's dead, he won't join Kaido, but assume the main role as the bane of the Kouzuki, and try to wipe them out, hunting Momo and Hiyori down, with manic determination, as the last thing he does.
I think Yamato is a trap. He's lying. He seems nervous about the cuffs being removed (because they are false). He seemed to know advanced armament haki since he was able to counter Luffy's last chapter. His father respects his choice to be a man and trusts him enough to give him the rule over Wano. He uses his father's fighting style rather than Oden. He's luring Luffy to his father to prove his worth. And his reward will be Orochi's DF: the Yamata no Orochi.
Judging from the spoiler discussions, almost no one agrees with that, but I'll leave it here to claim credit if it happens.
I doubt that.
If Yamato is really on Kaido's side, he wouldn't be sending the Flying 6 to apprehend her/him
Kaido hardly seems like father of the year or someone who cares 1 way or the other what his own child wants, much like Big Mom.
I really bought Kaido killing Orochi until I read the forums and now I'm sure that the fruit saved him.
Kaido hardly seems like father of the year or someone who cares 1 way or the other what his own child wants, much like Big Mom.
I know very few will consider the possibility, but, if I'm right, Kaido sent the Six after Yamato because the later is acting on his own rather than under his father's orders. Just like Kaido was mad at Linlin getting late to the party, he's angry that Yamato went missing without word. But Yamato is doing it to prove his worth.
Mark my words. There's something fishy about Yamato.
I know very few will consider the possibility, but, if I'm right, Kaido sent the Six after Yamato because the later is acting on his own rather than under his father's orders. Just like Kaido was mad at Linlin getting late to the party, he's angry that Yamato went missing without word. But Yamato is doing it to prove his worth.
Mark my words. There's something fishy about Yamato.
Yours is a good a guess as any at this moment in time.
I hope Yamato is being honest and only the right side of this war.
You know, even though Stephen's decision translating Kiku's epithet as "Fallen Snow" way back in Udon ended up making her speech this time lose a bit of its meaning, reading the chapter with the official translation was a completely different experience than the fan translation this week.
I mean, I thought the chapter was ok enough as it was, but there were so many clunky dialogues the whole thing lost its appeal. The dialogues flow so much better now, I could finally enjoy it properly and I was more excited about the whole thing on this reread than I was reading it for the first time friday.
That said, I know I am super biased on this, but damn, reading the chapter now really made me so sad thinking the Linlin+Kaido alliance is doomed to fail by the end of this arc because Kaido's speech really got me excited to see what those two could make together. Although I suppose Teach is pretty much doing the same thing, so he'll get me covered.
Grats on that. Almost hit the bullseye!
Who do you think Fukurokuju will align with?
Probably everyone is going to join Kaido. I mean, Oda put a lot of effort in showing us that Orochi followers never had a good opinion on him and how everything he did since the arc started only made him look more like a paranoid fool in their eyes.
I 100% disagree on Orochi being dead, though.
- I think Yamato is a trap. He's lying. He seems nervous about the cuffs being removed (because they are false). He seemed to know advanced armament haki since he was able to counter Luffy's last chapter. His father respects his choice to be a man and trusts him enough to give him the rule over Wano. He uses his father's fighting style rather than Oden. He's luring Luffy to his father to prove his worth. And his reward will be Orochi's DF: the Yamata no Orochi.
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There's the guard/offensive armor that Luffy wanted to learn, then there's the attack on the inside that Luffy used to free Hyo and himself. Yamato was using the former, so I don't think that kind of CoA can remove the cuffs. Whether Yamato can use the internal attacking CoA is still in the air
Yeah, I suspect Yamato has a DF with high regen since it's implied Kaidou beat them even when younger
She outright said that Kaido beat her since 'childhood' but it's not implied that those are seastone cuffs. They are the explosive kind like the "necklace" Luffy had in the sumo ring.
She outright said that Kaido beat her since 'childhood' but it's not implied that those are seastone cuffs. They are the explosive kind like the "necklace" Luffy had in the prison.
Well fine, I'll change my words to match the dialogue, but it doesn't change my opinion on Yamato possibly already having a DF
There's the guard/offensive armor that Luffy wanted to learn, then there's the attack on the inside that Luffy used to free Hyo and himself. Yamato was using the former, so I don't think that kind of CoA can remove the cuffs. Whether Yamato can use the internal attacking CoA is still in the air
The thing is that Luffy used the advanced haki last chapter, and Yamato blocked it with his foot. The impact caused a huge explosion.
To me, that was Oda showing two advanced haki clashing in a shockwave.
May I be wrong? Sure, it's a risky prediction. But there's a lot of fishness afoot around Yamato. I don't buy that things are going so far with him as they seem to be. The real twist about him is still coming.
It pisses me off that Orochi is obviously going to resurrect just like Doflamingo. Because otherwise, that scene would have been great
At least he'll resurrect for a much better reason than "String Clone."
I'll join the "there is something more in Yamato than she lets on" brigade.
Here's hoping it's 'Secret Evil'. It would make her actually interesting.
What I can't decide is if Orochi is dead or not. But thats cool I think, it's something to speculate and look forward to.
I'll support the idea that Yamato has more to them then what we already no, but I personally don't think they're evil or at least completely evil(if a twist like that happens)
The thing is that Luffy used the advanced haki last chapter, and Yamato blocked it with his foot. The impact caused a huge explosion.
To me, that was Oda showing two advanced haki clashing in a shockwave.
May I be wrong? Sure, it's a risky prediction. But there's a lot of fishness afoot around Yamato. I don't buy that things are going so far with him as they seem to be. The real twist about him is still coming.
Agreed. The only knock that I have against the suspicion is that Oda just did it with Puddin. Other than that, the Ace connection, Oden as a hero, late entrance into the story and the cuffs device that Oda likes to use warrants suspicion. Whatever happens, I still think Yamato isn't revealing all of the info necessary as of now
Agreed. The only knock that I have against the suspicion is that Oda just did it with Puddin. Other than that, the Ace connection, Oden as a hero, late entrance into the story and the cuffs device that Oda likes to use warrants suspicion. Whatever happens, I still think Yamato isn't revealing all of the info necessary as of now
When I see people disbelieving Orochi's death because Doflamingo was also decapitated, or comparing a possible Yamato treason with Pudding's, I feel Oda planted the seeds for doubt. "Oda never kills anyone", until he does. "Evil princesses always turn good later", maybe that's finally going to happen now. The harder for the audience to believe, the easier for the storyteller to fool them.
Oh boy, when Yamato gets those cuffs off….
We have already had our lier twist with Kanjuro and in some ways Hiyori and that I think people are going off on Yamato way to soon there a story to tell sure but its not like Yamato is hiding anything here also considering the discussion around Yamato and to words like trap is pretty disgusting
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Probably everyone is going to join Kaido. I mean, Oda put a lot of effort in showing us that Orochi followers never had a good opinion on him and how everything he did since the arc started only made him look more like a paranoid fool in their eyes.
I 100% disagree on Orochi being dead, though.
Unless the Kozuki samurais reveal their presence and ask them to join their side. That would be a good moment to do so
It's pretty convenient to get your head chopped out when you're an Orochi. I wonder what part he (and Kanjuro) have to play in the future of the arc. Also, Yamato is going to be hellaciously strong when those cuffs come off. Can't wait to see it.
If they were seastone handcuffs, Luffy could not remove them
Oh boy, when Yamato gets those cuffs off….
I mean, evil Yamato would be more interesting than this kinda-blah character we are getting now.
She could even be evil but with her own motives! That could be fun! Just spitballing here but what if she's after Kaidou's head to take his place? That's a whole thing in Kaidou's crew.
She could even be evil but with her own motives! That could be fun!
Yes! This is unlike Pudding, who was acting for the evil villains but was secretly good, or Kanjuro, who has no personality and just does as he's told because he wants to die acting.
If Yamato is an enemy, he's doing it for his own reasons. It's not under Kaido's orders, it's Yamato's plan and initiative.
Amazing chapter
Yamato still has the highest of any other "candidate" since Jinbe. If not for the Nami face. But we will see…
She mentioned Ace execution so I hoped for some infos about Kaidou wanting to "stop" Whitebeard prior to it
Poor Zeus. But I have somehow the feeling Nami will get him back. Maybe even Prometheus to boost her skills even more. Would fit our Car Burglar
Kaidou finally showed a big villian like move on killing Orochi and giving 5 seconds to decide. Of course Orochi won't be dead and I can see him back to fuck Kaidou over as well somehow. Still he needs to suffer a lot after shit is done.
Big Mom was awesome as we with her Wano souls
Speaking about the scene. I fucking love how King in a mere second gave his sword to Kaidou for his killing. It really looks so awesome
Where the fuck is Law?
Kanjuro... Do not not if he is really dead and that's why Kiku was crying but I wouldn't be surprised. He played his role in the story and I don't see much more room for him. I know a lot have been talking about him being killed by Kinemon but I think Kinemon will have a far bigger role
Inu having a sword leg now. Lol awesome and seems like Neko and him are becoming more friendly. Still hope they will own the shit out of Jack for Zou and decapitating their limbs.
Before moving to Flower Capital Momo needs to be saved. Still hope my boy Sanji will use his raid suit for it.
Talking about Flower Capital... After seeing the recent anime episode and the legend of Ryuuma slaying a Dragon I still believe that Zoro might have a big role in fighting Kaidou... And of course revealing his Shimotsuki connection.
Holy shit, what an amazing chapter. I'm completely fine with Orochi coming back or staying dead, but I do wonder what would he do if he came back. He's pretty much irrelevant now.
And Yamato is definitely not evil lol, the buildup to their introduction, on top of them meeting Ace, makes that obvious. They even have Oden's journal. I would sooner say their whole deal is getting over their Oden obsession, at least to some degree. Seems like that's the main barrier to Luffy letting them join, he was really annoyed by that claim.
Foolish Kaido! You think cutting one of my eight head would-
gets the remaining seven heads cut in a single sweep
Holy shit, what an amazing chapter. I'm completely fine with Orochi coming back or staying dead, but I do wonder what would he do if he came back. He's pretty much irrelevant now.
And Yamato is definitely not evil lol, the buildup to their introduction, on top of them meeting Ace, makes that obvious. They even have Oden's journal. I would sooner say their whole deal is getting over their Oden obsession, at least to some degree. Seems like that's the main barrier to Luffy letting them join, he was really annoyed by that claim.
I think the part where Luffy offers to take the shackles off is going to have a bit symbolism later on
Yeah obviously there's more to Yamato because it's not even fully clear what his whole deal is. How did she meet Ace, for example? And we'll only know how his relationship with Kaido works when he actually confronts him (which would probably be soonish.)
I doubt she's lying though. It'd make no sense with how that conversation went, imo. It's all just too wacky to not be true. They're just in a hurry so there's no time to get into details.
Yeah obviously there's more to Yamato because it's not even fully clear what his whole deal is. How did she meet Ace, for example? And we'll only know how his relationship with Kaido works when he actually confronts him (which would probably be soonish.)
I doubt **she'**s lying though. It'd make no sense with how that conversation went, imo. It's all just too wacky to not be true. They're just in a hurry so there's no time to get into details.
Seems like you can't decide what pronoun to use.
She could be friends with Tama and might have visited her in Kuri while Ace was there.
Unless I read it wrong, I'm pretty sure the implication is that Ace met Yamato at Onigashima, since the latter is not allowed to leave the island due to the cuffs.
I think the part where Luffy offers to take the shackles off is going to have a bit symbolism later on
Perhaps so.
There is this underlying and underappreciated comedic effect of Yamato; everyone and their moms passive aggressively using different pronouns they think are correct when talking about her. Look I'm doing it too!
I can already see Yamato having funny interactions with Sanji.
I call Yamato "he" (thought sometimes I do it wrong) just because the character refers to himself as a man. I don't care about gender discussion, thought, and I don't bother at all when people call him a woman either. Each one can all him/her however they feel more appropriate.
I don't really see the interest of an evil Yamato honestly. It's much more interesting the way it is
Y'know, the Nami vs Big Mom and Kanjuro vs Momo stuff is really giving me those vibes of ''there was a scene planned here, but we had to cut it for time.'' that so much stuff in Wano has.
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The anime made a spectacle out of Brook vs BM, even tho the conclusion was off panel. I believe that's where Toei can possibly shine by expounding on it
Yeah; Orochi is totally going to remain headless with the eight serpents coming out of him.
New review!
All this does is truly support the idea that this will all end in failure. The final fight is either happening on Wano proper or at New Marineford. I can't see anything other than total decimation right now.
Two things:
1. If Orochi is actually dead, I find that far more exciting than him surviving. It would be a genuine surprise and add much needed punch to this chapter.
Him surviving would be highly anticlimactic and predictable. Bad move. So I merely hope he is truly dead, but doubt it.
2. Yamato being evil would surprise me, but also be annoying. We don't need another Pudding (secretly evil Nami clone who may or may not be redeemed). I find the idea of yamato joining the crew to be significantly more interesting, though I also question that as well. Not enough build up to earn it so far. But that said, this chapter makes me actually want Yamato to become a strawhat!
Orochi getting decapitated time and time again without dying would make for a hilarious running gag. Specially if it's always in the middle of a sentence.
Yeah, seems fairly obvious Orochi isn't dead. Whether it has something to do with his Zoan form having multiple heads or him being paranoid enough that Kanjuro drew an art clone of him ahead of time, I dunno (though, if that were the case, we'd probably find out pretty quickly since Kanjuro's art clone of himself faded quite fast after Kin'emon killed it), but that's far too anticlimactic of an ending for the guy who caused so much misery in Wano.
The whole thing with Inu and Neko casually talking about Neko's new hand in the exact same panel that Kanjuro revealed Momo's about to be executed felt really awkwardly placed.
I'm kinda surprised, but at this point not really surprised, to see people theorizing that Yamato is lying/evil/not really on Luffy's side. We did this about a year ago with Hiyori, too; plenty of people were convinced that Hiyori shouldn't be taken at face value and must have been hiding something. I wanted Hiyori to turn out to be sincere, as she was, and I want the same for Yamato, too, for the same reason: we already just did the "seemingly helpful ally turns out to be secretly evil and plotting against the good guys the whole time" with Pudding and now, more recently, with Kanjuro, too.
In fact, I'd argue it would be even more of a repeat for Yamato than it would have been for Hiyori, because he's a more direct parallel of Pudding: a child of the arc's Emperor who approaches Luffy as a friend when he's directly invaded their territory and offers to help him, only to later be like "Just kidding, I was on my parent's side the whole time and was tricking you!" Whereas Yamato being completely genuine and very openly against Kaido, as we've seen, would provide a neat contrast with Big Mom's kids: most of them are firmly on her side and devoted to her, and the ones who aren't either form their rebellion against her secretly (Chiffon, Praline), run away (Lola, a direct contrast to Yamato who wants to do just that but can't), or struggle a lot with it (Pudding).
Plus we've already had so many betrayals/moles this arc across different groups. Apoo betrayed Kid and Hawkins, and then Hawkins abandoned Kid. Drake is a mole in Kaido's crew. "Kyoshiro"/Denjiro was a mole in Orochi's organization. Kanjuro was a mole/betrayer in the alliance. Now Kaido betrays Orochi. It's becoming repetitive, and if we keep getting that twist over and over, it's gonna get more and more lame. Maybe Yamato will end up betraying Luffy, but right now I'm getting absolutely no such vibes, and I'd far prefer him to be sincere.
- Where the fuck is Law?
In the color spread, of course. :ninja: But yeah, wondering if he and his guys maybe took the lower entrance to sneak around the palace, while the samurai took the upper one as we saw.
(Also speaking of which, love the color spread. Though we need to get one with Jimbei in it ASAP.)
So i guess it'll be an all out brawl in the main hall next week? Luffy and Yamato, Zoro, Sunkist, Kidd, Killer and the rest of tagalongs should be moving toward it. Now we know the scabbards are stuck dealing with their nemesis so i guess we can count out them, but all the others are close enough that they can show up for a rescue splash page at a moments notice
Black Maria and X Drake are the only Tobi Roppo unaccounted for I think.