Just like Goku and Vegeta, Naruto and Sasuke, Yuusuke and Hiei, Ichigo and himself, and any other shonen you want to bring up.
That caught me off guard and made me laugh, nice one.
Just like Goku and Vegeta, Naruto and Sasuke, Yuusuke and Hiei, Ichigo and himself, and any other shonen you want to bring up.
That caught me off guard and made me laugh, nice one.
I remember Gaara being the greatest character in Naruto, who got the best fights pre-timeskip, and that other junk, but to each their own.
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And don't get me started on obnoxiously super cool Hawks, whose whole character is nothing more than one big trope based on the conflicted, double agent cool guy. So much time spent on this character's double agent storyline yet we don't know a single thing about him.
Speaking of this, I thought this storyline ended up being very underwhelming. Nothing really interesting was done with the idea of Hawks being undercover, which is a real shame since it was a really interesting development at the time. I was hoping we'd see him do a few morally conflicted things, or at least find a clever way to avoid having to do them, but we got nothing. The closest thing is him allegedly killing Best Jeanist off-screen, which in turn means it's something that's almost guaranteed to not have actually happened.
Iida got to show his development helping the suicide squad when they went to save Bakugou and helping his classmates during the license exam at the risk of failing himself, I liked both these situations, but after that he only got the fight in the class a vs class b. And I really don´t remember much at all, aside from everyone going a little damn overkill in a training exercise.
In short Iida is the proof that Stain´s idea of heroics being an inherent thing you can´t learn is wrong, but I don´t know if Hori will ever bring that up, maybe if Stain eventually gets out and for any reason they need his collaboration.
Speaking of this, I thought this storyline ended up being very underwhelming. Nothing really interesting was done with the idea of Hawks being undercover, which is a real shame since it was a really interesting development at the time. I was hoping we'd see him do a few morally conflicted things, or at least find a clever way to avoid having to do them, but we got nothing. The closest thing is him allegedly killing Best Jeanist off-screen, which in turn means it's something that's almost guaranteed to not have actually happened.
I mean, the whole Twice´s situation was that, Hawks betrayed the guy that showed him more empathy than anyone else in the world. The fact that this is the first time we have seen a hero kill a villain that isn´t a Noumu is also interesting and Tokoyami is now aware of it.
I hate this attitude on serialized manga that “this hasn’t paid of in 20 chapters, then the author fails” in story it hasn’t been an hour.
Tokoyami can’t go and tweet “my master has gone to the dark side, murdering hero hawks” in the middle of his job, and society can’t adjust and respond while a walking human nuke is about to crumble Japan.
In short Iida is the proof that Stain´s idea of heroics being an inherent thing you can´t learn is wrong, but I don´t know if Hori will ever bring that up, maybe if Stain eventually gets out and for any reason they need his collaboration.
After learning Dabi's true allegiance and Toshinori (for some reason) wanting to talk to Stain, I can see him coming back eventually. But, Team Shiggy really doesn't need him if we're talking power, so…Suicide Squad or Dabi straight up freeing him when the time is right?
Stain's quirk would be pretty helpful against Shiggy if they could get some blood off him.
I mean, the whole Twice´s situation was that, Hawks betrayed the guy that showed him more empathy than anyone else in the world. The fact that this is the first time we have seen a hero kill a villain that isn´t a Noumu is also interesting and Tokoyami is now aware of it.
Hawks killing Twice is an action that happened after Hawks' cover was blown, for the sake of the heroes. I'm saying I wanted to spend far more time with him undercover, actually see him have to do morally conflicting stuff while the villains still thought he was on their side. Or as I said, find clever ways around it. Him feeling bad about having to eventually take down Twice was not nearly enough for me.
Dabi mentioned it when Hawks brought in the duffle bag. That either really is a dead Best Jeanist or some other dead person. I'm not sure which would be worse lol.
The mystery around Best Jeanist is bordering on parody at this point.The only reason people care at all is because of his rank.
The mystery around Best Jeanist is bordering on parody at this point.The only reason people care at all is because of his rank.
Yeah, we definitely don't care that the implication is a Hero killed another Hero, thereby verifying what the Villains have been saying that Heroes aren't always the good guys. True Heroes wouldn't kill other Heroes.
People actually care because Best Jeanist owns.
Does anyone care that the rank 6 guy was just sort of half assed killed by disintiration a couple chaters ago? Or was he the rank 5? What even was his name?
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People actually care because Best Jeanist owns.
He "owns" as much as Crust owned which means not at all. I completely agree with people that say that we are supposed to care about heroes with no character only because of their rank.
Does anyone care that the rank 6 guy was just sort of half assed killed by disintiration a couple chaters ago? Or was he the rank 5? What even was his name?
That was Crust. He looked like a discount All Might except with none of the power or relevance. With clowns like that in the top 10, it is no wonder that All Might pushed himself until his body could no longer take it to keep the peace.
He "owns" as much as Crust owned which means not at all. I completely agree with people that say that we are supposed to care about heroes with no character only because of their rank.
Best Jeanist got popular because of his bravery at Kamino Ward, and he was already in the audience's consciousness after interning Bakugo very early on.
Jeanist was one of the more established examples of ranked heroes, leagues above what Crust got tbh
Best Jeanist had a good showing at Kamino Ward, got props from All For One, and most importantly is the only character to try an correct Bakugo's behavior (to that point that Bakugo still has a complex about it.)
Edge shot also got a good showing, and managed to stop Kurogiri and make the raid not fail instantaneously, and I believe that Mirko got a good showing here vs the Nomus, but that is stablishment not actual character, just build up. But every other top ranked hero bellow Jeanist seemed like a whatever character, Ryugu had two good chances to show her stuff and did nothing, Wash is a fricking washing machine person, and crust who also was supposed to be of the red riot (or whomever was the original riot) ideology, was just kinda there to be dusted.
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The other two top ranked heroes are some old man who looks either senile or villainous, and Kamui woods, who being a character with a good showing since chapter one the series has done shit to show his growth and remind us of his newfound status.
I guess this should be the manga saying that these rankings are bullshit, but everyone keeps taking them at face value, both fans and the story itself, so I feel the need to indulge.
Wouldn't really have minded if the high rankers participated more actively in the plot until now. Just a little bit. Would go a long way making their silent deaths more gripping.
Ryukyu was actually the mvp a couple of chapters ago, since she saved more heroes than anyone else, I was actually surprised by how fast she can run in her dragon form.
After learning Dabi's true allegiance and Toshinori (for some reason) wanting to talk to Stain, I can see him coming back eventually. But, Team Shiggy really doesn't need him if we're talking power, so…Suicide Squad or Dabi straight up freeing him when the time is right?
Stain's quirk would be pretty helpful against Shiggy if they could get some blood off him.
Yeah, Stain quirk is actually pretty good in team fights or if he doesn´t need the blood to be fresh, someone could get some of Shiggy´s blood this arc and give it to stain later. I don´t know, I always thought he would come back as an ally, I can´t really see him being on board with the current league or maybe he would, since he wanted the status quo to be broken.
Hawks killing Twice is an action that happened after Hawks' cover was blown, for the sake of the heroes. I'm saying I wanted to spend far more time with him undercover, actually see him have to do morally conflicting stuff while the villains still thought he was on their side. Or as I said, find clever ways around it. Him feeling bad about having to eventually take down Twice was not nearly enough for me.
I see what you mean now, something like actually letting some civilians die during Endeavor´s fight against the high end (wich he didn´t, although the hero comission ordered him to so the league would trust him) Yeah, the story lacked that tension that undercover stories have, the villains were a little to confident on his loyalty, I guess they thought Skeptic´s cameras and sensors were good enough.
I see what you mean now, something like actually letting some civilians die during Endeavor´s fight against the high end (wich he didn´t, although the hero comission ordered him to so the league would trust him) Yeah, the story lacked that tension that undercover stories have, the villains were a little to confident on his loyalty, I guess they thought Skeptic´s cameras and sensors were good enough.
I guess they were just bugs, had it been cameras they highlighted message to Endy would've been found.
Bakugo hasn't been benched at all? Bakugo got a major focus arc when he was kidnapped, was one of the main focuses of the "play with kids" bit,
Both ofif those arcs were years ago arcs were years ago and he didn't get major focus in either (Kamino was about All Might, Remedial was about Todoroki and Endeavor) Where was he during Yakuza arc the longest arc in the manga? What significance was his role in either School Festival or Joint Training? Nothing. His only hinge if relevancy is knowing OfA's secret (and given how the course of this arc has gone more people will be in the know) but he hasn't done anything of worth for years nor has he been relevant. Also movies aren't canon the first movie wasn't even about him.
Todoroki's stuff is all going into his father getting development right now. He's on hold until whatever happens with Endeavor happens, and we discover one of the villains has actually been his brother all along.
Todoroki's development coincides with his father's and vice versa JT had him realize how he needs to improve himself moving forward.
That falls into the "if they're lucky they'll get two chapters" category. Showcasing them as a mass montage isn't the same as actually spending time on them.
First you claim that they don't get focus and now you claim that they don't get enough. Make up your mind. Horikoshi has always rotated the cast in terms of focus since it started.
The School Festival Arc… which spent a little bit of time on setup with Earphone girl, and then spent 95% of its focus on Deku and Gentle Criminal and like 1 chapter on the actual festival? She basically got two chapters of screen time. And probably nothing else after for the remainder of the series.
School Festival was 14 chapters of those chapters 3 and a half is focused on Deku's fight with Gentle the rest is of the cast preparing for it and given focus to them and Jirou herself getting the bulk of the focus. There's not remembering and then there's just being blatantly wrong.
And joint training… where it was broken up into teams in such a way that... Deku, Bakugo, and Todoroki could carry their personal matches and get all the focus? It didn't put all the heavy hitters into one group and then let everyone else shine, it just... spread out the mains. As I recall, Bakugo overwhelmingly carried his team singlehandedly, and Deku's match the entire focus was on his powers going haywire. Was there actually anything memorable out of that entire event, anything that grew the characters or was actually interesting? That arc went for months and all I remember from it is Class B had an overpowered mushroom girl. It wasn't even a tournament arc that gave you 1 on 1s to really explore the characters and their limits with, just which team had a more broken power to abuse and take out 3 other characters simultaneously. Pretty much everyone was happy after that arc ended and the focus switched to the villains for a few months. <
You mean the arc in which 4 of the 5 matches were spent focusing on the tertiary cast? Funny how you forgot that the first and second match didn't even have Deku, Bakugou and Todoroki at all, the third match not only had more focus on Iida and the rest of the cast but have Todoroki lose and get saved by Iida ending the match in a draw that was decided by either of them? Or how Ochako, who got focus, needed to save Deku (again) and carry her team to victory? In the midst of all that transpired we got some much needed character development for Monema and Shinsou? I'm not surprised that you tuned out that entire arc because the people who hated it did entirely once they saw that their favorite characters weren't going to win all the way.
When does tail boy get an arc? Electric doofus? Acid girl? Bellybutton boy? Talks to animals? Tape arms? Extra arms? Sugar Rush? Invisible girl? Pervert boy? Has Class Rep done anything since his brother got hospitalized? And how many of those characters can you actually name the character and their hero name without looking it up?
Even Bakugou doesn't have an arc so it feels dishonest to even suggest that the same amount of focus be granted to everyone, they all get their moments to shine one way or another throughout the manga also Iida literally had focus during the Joint Training arc. All of them because I don't have the memory of a goldfish like you, their names aren't even hard to memorize since they're so simple. Not even OP with it's huge cast dedicated an extended amount of time to everyone of them because that would drag out the story badly it's why Wano is such a mixed bag because most of it is focused on boring characters.
Ochako, Kirishima, Tokoyami, and Totoroki and Yayorazu are the ones getting focus as secondaries, (and Tsuya in the anime because her design memed her into popularity, but she hasn't gotten focus since they decorated their rooms.) All of them well behind Deku and Bakugo.
Time to fish out some facts because apparently you have trouble admitting your wrong. Last time Bakugou was relevant was the end of the License Exam arc what has he done since then?
Hideout Raid - Nothing
Remedial - played with some kids
School.Festival - played the drums
Pro Hero - Nothing
Joint Training - Won his match
MVA - Nothing
Endeavor Agency - Saved Natsu
Now Ochako
Hideout Raid - Defeat a Percept and save Deku and Nighteye
Remedial - Nothing
School Festival - Danced
Pro Hero - Nothing
Joint Training - Saved Deku and won the match for her team which tied into her development
MVA- Nothing
Endeavor Agency- Trained with Ryuku and Nejire
Yet Bakugou is considered more important despite doing less and having a much slower development all because he knows Deku's secret which I'm pretty sure by the end of this arc a lot of people will know or at least it won't just be him, All Might and GT.
MVA is a spinoff. That's like asking why anime filler uses other characters. Because its free to, and using secondaries doesn't contradict the main plot as much as using the primaries.
Yes a spin off that takes up volumes 23, 24 and 25 of the manga and ties directly into the current arc. Sadly this won't be the stupidest thing you say.
The extended cast that are new designs with no personalities, and who are being maimed and killed en-masse to show the villains are serious now?
So Tokoyami, Hawks, Juzo, She Mage, Miruko, Endeavor, Ryuku, Aizawa, Present Mic are not apart of the extended cast now? Mind explaining who the manga has been giving on for the last 15 chapters before returning back to Deku because according to you it's nobody apparently.
In another year or two sheer power creep is going to make it so only Deku and Bakugo can handle any situation and the rest of the class just holds them back, its already rapidly approaching that point. Just like Goku and Vegeta, Naruto and Sasuke, Yuusuke and Hiei, Ichigo and himself, and any other shonen you want to bring up. Hell, Hunter X Hunter has 2 of its 4 leads missing for a decade, and is now on track to do the same to its other 2 leads. The background cast will fall further and further behind. If they're LUCKY, they're strong enough to get a fight and jobber to show how tough the villain is, like Gohan and Piccollo in Dragonball, and if they're not they become utter fodder like Krillin, Tien and Yamcha… and if they're really minor they get forgotten entirely like Launch.
You guys have literally never been right regards to predicting this series (all those naysayers of the OFA reveal are pretty quiet now given how it didn't change anything) so why start now? But given how you've outright denied when the series dies focus on its extended cast even in the current arc it might not even matter.
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Does anyone care that the rank 6 guy was just sort of half assed killed by disintiration a couple chaters ago? Or was he the rank 5? What even was his name?
A lot of people cared actually because he went out like a hero and saved Aizawa's life. Why people seem to think you need an an extensive amount of time to care about a character is beyond me given how people were moved by Ace's death a character who was barely in the manga before he died and is only given focus posthumously.
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School Festival was 14 chapters of those chapters 3 and a half is focused on Deku's fight with Gentle
And how much of it was actual SETUP with Gentle? How much of it was Deku going "Oh man I need to do this for Eri?" How much was Deku getting new gear? If JUST the fight was 1/3 of the arc, then the setup for that fight was much of the rest of it.
I just rewatched the arc in the anime and the focus is on Deku and Gentle for most of it, with some brief asides with teh class making some plans..
First you claim that they don't get focus and now you claim that they don't get enough. Make up your mind. Horikoshi has always rotated the cast in terms of focus since it started.
I made a JOKE about how Deku and Bakugo are the only ones getting focus from here on on out, because lol shonen, and you're blowing that entirely out of proportion. But yes, as the series goes on and they power creep more and more, the others ARE going to be left more and more behind.
I'd PREFER it if the secondaries got more focus and actual development, but that's not happening. Screentime is not the same as actual development or focus.
You mean the arc in which 4 of the 5 matches were spent focusing on the tertiary cast? Funny how you forgot that the first and second match didn't even have Deku, Bakugou and Todoroki at all
I didn't forget those matches existed. I said they were forgettable. LITERALLY the only thing I remember from that entire overlong arc is Class B had a mushroom girl with a broken power set. I don't remember which round she was in or who she fought, I just remember that. Nothing else in it made any impression at all. I don't remember who was in the given teams, what anyone did, what the other team's powers were, anyone having significant growth or a moment that stood out, … none of it was memorable or good, and at the time EVERYONE was happy for the arc to finish and move onto the villains. That arc ran for like half a year, and was only like a year ago and I remember literally nothing from it.
Meanwhile I still remember CHoji turning into a Butterfly and nearly dying in Naruto though, and I only read that once sixteen years ago. And thats not even one of the good fights that I went back to multiple times, I just remember it because it was actually handled well and had character growth and interesting twists.
Again, having screen time is not the same as actually having focus or development or being important or being memorable and interesting. Otherwise just going by sheer panel count over in One Piece, Don Krieg, Keimi and Kyros are among the most important characters in the entire series.
So Tokoyami, Hawks, Juzo, She Mage, Miruko, Endeavor, Ryuku, Aizawa, Present Mic are not apart of the extended cast now? Mind explaining who the manga has been giving on for the last 15 chapters before returning back to Deku because according to you it's nobody apparently.
At some point there's "extended cast" and then there's "expendable tertiary characters". We'd seen Miruko for like three panels before she was thrown into a life or death struggle for five chapters. She was brought in ONLY to show that the badguys are serious now and be fodder. That's not growth for any of the actual leads, that's the author deciding to play with a different character design for a while.
What do you define as main cast? 5 or 6 of the students and their teachers? Are the other 15 sutdents in class A secondaries? Are some of them tertiary characters worth only ever having a couple lines of dialogue? What about their friends with screentime? What about those 4 cat fighters? What about Mamillion? Eri? Grand Turino?
At some point when the author is showing off 80 or 100 different characters, he's not actually showing or growing any of them at all anymore, he's splitting the focus too much and losing track of what he's doing.
One Piece has the same problem, Wano has over 100 named characters running around right now and its a mess, and as a result we care about almost none of them.
Yes a spin off that takes up volumes 23, 24 and 25 of the manga and ties directly into the current arc. Sadly this won't be the stupidest thing you say.
Okay first of all, I thought you were talking about the Vigilantes spinoff series, not… the villain arc in the series. Where the renaming was a cute thing but not an actual change in the series.
Second, you're needlessly being an ass, so... done talking to you. Shame I got this far in before seeing that.
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Both ofif those arcs were years ago arcs were years ago and he didn't get major focus in either (Kamino was about All Might, Remedial was about Todoroki and Endeavor) Where was he during Yakuza arc the longest arc in the manga? What significance was his role in either School Festival or Joint Training? Nothing. His only hinge if relevancy is knowing OfA's secret (and given how the course of this arc has gone more people will be in the know) but he hasn't done anything of worth for years nor has he been relevant. Also movies aren't canon the first movie wasn't even about him.
Bakugo has been front and center since the beginning and always will be a main character because of how important he is to Deku. They have and will always be linked together. I'm not sure why you think Bakugo has not had any sort of character arcs or growth. I personally hated Bakugo for a long time because of his terrible personality but he has grown, changed, and displayed admirable qualities since then.
During the forest training arc? Bakugo was literally the entire reason for the League of Villains showing up and kidnapping him. They thought that he was being wasted in the hero world and would make an excellent villain and ally. Bakugo caught people like me by surprise and revealed he wasn't only obsessed with winning, but obsessed with winning like All Might, against the bad guys and any odds thrown against him.
During the License Exam arc he failed because he was obsessed with winning/fighting and didn't give appropriate care to hostages or his allies. He took the provisional classes to help him realize that there is more to being a hero than just beating-up bad guys. Then, to follow this up, during the Inter-class battle arc he acted like he was still the bossy asshole that would do whatever he wants with no regards for his teammates but then proved that wasn't the case by saving his teammates. Then he actually allowed them to save him and trusted them to take care of their opponents without him. And what helped build that trust between them, Bakugo playing the drums in the band.
He then trained with Deku under the number 1 hero, Endeavor, and is about to possibly face-off against the new Shigaraki with Deku as well.
Bakugo has been front and center since the beginning and always will be a main character because of how important he is to Deku. They have and will always be linked together.
This can literally apply to All Might, Iida, Shouto and Ochako.
I'm not sure why you think Bakugo has not had any sort of character arcs or growth. I personally hated Bakugo for a long time because of his terrible personality but he has grown, changed, and displayed admirable qualities since then.
Because he really hasn't we're basically just told rather than just shown.
During the forest training arc? Bakugo was literally the entire reason for the League of Villains showing up and kidnapping him. They thought that he was being wasted in the hero world and would make an excellent villain and ally. Bakugo caught people like me by surprise and revealed he wasn't only obsessed with winning, but obsessed with winning like All Might, against the bad guys and any odds thrown against him.
Really? If you seriously thought Bakugou was going to turn villain after the previous arc showcased how much of an influence All Might was to him then you must be lying.
During the License Exam arc he failed because he was obsessed with winning/fighting and didn't give appropriate care to hostages or his allies. He took the provisional classes to help him realize that there is more to being a hero than just beating-up bad guys. Then, to follow this up, during the Inter-class battle arc he acted like he was still the bossy asshole that would do whatever he wants with no regards for his teammates but then proved that wasn't the case by saving his teammates. Then he actually allowed them to save him and trusted them to take care of their opponents without him. And what helped build that trust between them, Bakugo playing the drums in the band.
His reason for failing is never really delved upon he just outright failed because he couldn't bother to save an old couple which is just taken more so as a joke then anything serious and that's honestly the problem with his writing in that his projectory is obvious but it's missing the steps in between so it feels so disingenuous when he gets a moment since it feels entirely unearned. That battle in general was pretty bad just for the fact that it made everyone else but him feel expendable which wasn't the case with the previous fights and the one after, after the 3rd fight which put Shouto's own weaknesses up in front showcasing what he needs to improve on which is the point of these exercises and to go back on that to give Bakugou a clear sweep is just lame
He then trained with Deku under the number 1 hero, Endeavor, and is about to possibly face-off against the new Shigaraki with Deku as well.
He didn't do anything of worth during that arc and his interjections was moreso annoying than anything.
Okay, I guess you're reading a different manga than everyone else. Have fun with it.
Okay, I guess you're reading a different manga than everyone else. Have fun with it.
Everything I said is from the manga.
Everything you said is headcannon.
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And how much of it was actual SETUP with Gentle?
None, at least not enough to say that it was the main focus hell a lot of people find their inclusion forced hoping Hori doesn't waste them in breather portion of the story.
How much of it was Deku going "Oh man I need to do this for Eri?" How much was Deku getting new gear? If JUST the fight was 1/3 of the arc, then the setup for that fight was much of the rest of it.
Even in all the moments you listed they're apart of the preparation of the school festival, Deku's training only takes up a few pages in one chapter, so again what exactly are you trying to prove by stretching the truth and exaggerating?
I just rewatched the arc in the anime and the focus is on Deku and Gentle for most of it, with some brief asides with teh class making some plans..
That arc runs from episode 81 to 86 of that only episodes 84 and 85 are centered around the fight itself. Seriously do you think everyone is an idiot who don't know you're full of shit?
I made a JOKE about how Deku and Bakugo are the only ones getting focus from here on on out, because lol shonen, and you're blowing that entirely out of proportion. But yes, as the series goes on and they power creep more and more, the others ARE going to be left more and more behind.
Joke? Is that you're excuse? Anyways that's mostly baseless speculation given this series juggling of various characters and their arcs it'll be kind of weird to offset that by mainly focusing on Bakugou and Deku even moreso since Bakugou has no direct ties to the plot.
I'd PREFER it if the secondaries got more focus and actual development, but that's not happening. Screentime is not the same as actual development or focus.
So you've pretty much been ignoring the last three years of this manga basically.
I didn't forget those matches existed. I said they were forgettable. LITERALLY the only thing I remember from that entire overlong arc is Class B had a mushroom girl with a broken power set. I don't remember which round she was in or who she fought, I just remember that. Nothing else in it made any impression at all. I don't remember who was in the given teams, what anyone did, what the other team's powers were, anyone having significant growth or a moment that stood out, … none of it was memorable or good, and at the time EVERYONE was happy for the arc to finish and move onto the villains. That arc ran for like half a year, and was only like a year ago and I remember literally nothing from it.
So you just have bad memory then.
Meanwhile I still remember CHoji turning into a Butterfly and nearly dying in Naruto though, and I only read that once sixteen years ago. And thats not even one of the good fights that I went back to multiple times, I just remember it because it was actually handled well and had character growth and interesting twists.
This doesn't actually prove anything. I remember Match 3 of the Joint Training arc because it gave a ton of characters like Juzo, Pony, Iida, Ojiro, Shouji, etc. spotlight in a competition moreso than any of the fights post Zou arc up to Luffy vs Katakuri, that says more about me than the actual writing of the manga.
Again, having screen time is not the same as actually having focus or development or being important or being memorable and interesting. Otherwise just going by sheer panel count over in One Piece, Don Krieg, Keimi and Kyros are among the most important characters in the entire series.
In all those examples listed the characters are given development or something important to do that serves the narrative its not about getting screentime they're actually doing things that matter. Them being memorable or interesting is entirely subjective.
At some point there's "extended cast" and then there's "expendable tertiary characters". We'd seen Miruko for like three panels before she was thrown into a life or death struggle for five chapters. She was brought in ONLY to show that the badguys are serious now and be fodder. That's not growth for any of the actual leads, that's the author deciding to play with a different character design for a while.
This doesn't really exist. For one you're literally complaining when a character who starts off as tertiary is given an expanded role showcases their ability and lives enough of an impression that leaves the audience wanting to know more about them. Katakuri is a good example of this because he starts off as another fodder enemy of Big Mom's family but throughout his battle with Luffy we see him in a different light, how the other siblings perceive him and his relationships with them and by the end he winds up being a pretty cool character, Miruko is a bad example because she didn't get "three panels" of screentime she left an impression from her first appearance alone during the billboard meeting then she saved by Endeavor and Hawks already more screentime to know how she leading to her big moment during this arc and no that wasn't the reason she was brought up at all what why example is unleashung a bunch of Nomu proof that the badguys are serious? Considering the cast have fought Nomu numerous of times up to this point? Its like you're trying to nitpick but you suck at that as well.
What do you define as main cast? 5 or 6 of the students and their teachers? Are the other 15 sutdents in class A secondaries? Are some of them tertiary characters worth only ever having a couple lines of dialogue? What about their friends with screentime? What about those 4 cat fighters? What about Mamillion? Eri? Grand Turino?
Main cast can be decipherable on any spectrum, a main character doesn't have to be the focus of the manga 24/7 but have a substantial amount of characterization and development.
At some point when the author is showing off 80 or 100 different characters, he's not actually showing or growing any of them at all anymore, he's splitting the focus too much and losing track of what he's doing.
Manga is called My Hero Academia its focused on the trials of tribulations of Deku's journey of becoming a great hero alongside his classmates. How the hell are the current arcs splitting the focus and losing track when the series has always juggled between the hero side and the villain side since it began.
One Piece has the same problem, Wano has over 100 named characters running around right now and its a mess, and as a result we care about almost none of them.
The problem with Wano is that none of the new characters are interesting the actual story setup couldn't be anymore clear but too much of it is focused on boring characters and not enough on the crew of the worst who desperately needs as much focus now more than ever.
Can you dial it back please? You don't need to insult folks when having a discussion.
We produced a new juju. I'm too old for that.
We produced a new juju. I'm too old for that.
I was thinking of that Chocobar guy or w/e he was called myself lol
Nobody remembers the animal guy or the sugar dude's name.
And I think there was this kungfu half monkey tail guy too.
Pretty cool but overall they are the cast of not going to shine ever.
Why is the new JuJu even here if he bitch about Wano to that extent.
I can remember Sugar Rush's family name because it is literally sugar in Japanese. Well it is a homophone, the kanji in his name is different but I remember it because it is the same pronunciation as "sugar."
When they aren't as obvious I can't remember. Like Tailman's family name is literally "tail white" but in English it would be Whitetail. I can't remember because it doesn't look white and it is reversed from English. The funny thing is his given name is a homophone that could mean "pure-white tail" as well.
If only they were all like Tetsutetsu Tetsutetsu.
I think the only kid names I can't remember are animal control and invisible girl's actual name.
Bakugo's inner monologue this chapter sparked someone on another forum into making an interesting point about if All Might encouraging Bakugo to be Deku's rival was the right thing to do considering Deku will surely surpass him by a huge margin once he hits 100%. It got me thinking about Bakugo's endgame character development and just how long can he keep up with Deku (I'm thinking up to 75%).
I'm starting to think Bakugo will end up being a more accepting Endeavor, understanding he will only reach #2 but has to find a way to accept it while continuing to reach his full potential.
Bakugo has the stubbornness and self denial to get ahead of deku because his quirk is his own. Only for them to somehow fight without Quirks and then Deku wining.
New´s volume cover with Hawks and Twice on it.
That's a pretty sick cover.
Amazing colors.
Love the art and title colors. Glad Horikoshi gave Twice half the cover.
https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1007007
! Who needs quirks when you have this mad gains?! Also let Aizawa die.
Something is going to go off next chapter. I mean, more than it already has. We have too many important characters in one place. I feel like this chapter is building up to whatever will happen next chapter.
Separate from everything else, All Might with Eri in his lap is adorable.
I loved the montage showing the kids' families. Deku, Todoroki, Todoroki, Todoroki, Bakugo…
Well, I want to be mad at Deku, but on the other hand Aizawa would be dead if not for him. I don´t think Hori is gonnal kill the teacher, but poor guy is gonna lose his quirk for sure.
And I know Doc can modify bodies with drugs and mad science to be phisicaly stronger, but it´s kinda weird for Shiggy to have that kind of strenght in such a little body, the original Noumu was stacked and was big as hell.
Also, the unfinished high ends look great, but I kind of wish that at least the female one and the elephant survived, she even got inner thoughts bubbles and everything.
Loved this chapter. And as expected Shigi's body was modified to make him stronger regardless of quirks.
Part of the reason I enjoy it so much is because of what might come next. Heroes are already struggling to handle Shigi and Nigh Ends and Machia hasn't even done anything yet.
Also loved Torino's sentiment. If they can't handle this, the society may as well change. I'm a sucker for that kind of realistic and stoic approach to things in life.
Vigilantes 80 is out.
! Damn, that's a day before retiring trope if ever saw one. And Nomura don't seem to be stable mentally.
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Also loved Torino's sentiment. If they can't handle this, the society may as well change. I'm a sucker for that kind of realistic and stoic approach to things in life.
Hori better have tanuki balls to make that true.
Vigilantes 80 is out.
! Damn, that's a day before retiring trope if ever saw one. And Nomura don't seem to be stable mentally.
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Hori better have tanuki balls to make that true.
I'll be an optimist here. Don't think he'll go big or anything. But things need to change permanently for all this to have any purpose.
Believe the media coverage we've seen at the beginning will prove very important. If all those unhappy mutants living on the fringes of society get a grasp of what's going on, Shigi could be viewed as a messiah and gain a massive following. More so if he somehow gets a hold of live camera and calls people to go wild. Then things will really get chaotic.
I'm not optimistic that Hori will bring big changes in the next 10 chapters, but the fact that he fast-forwarded to Shigi's awakening should mean big changes by the end of the arc.
Like the end of the Academia, at least in Japan.
I may be remembering it wrong, but I seem to recall before this arc started we had a narration saying this was the day hero society ended, or something like that.
Honestly, I think it would be amazing if this ended with Shigaraki victory, heroes being crushed and we not going back to the Hero course at UA anymore, but instead the remaining heroes starting some kind of resistance and the 1-A/B kids joining it.
I hate how shonen readers suddenly started thinking timskip is something every shonen title has to do (it was never part of the shonen formula until OP, Naruto and Bleach did it almost at the same time. Suddenly it is always "when is the ts going to happen?"), and I am hoping KnY popularity starts a cleansing of that logic. But in MHA it seems like it would fit great and particularly in a scenario like that where the remaining heroes would have to build things from the ground while in hiding.
Oh man. This chapter was really good. I was pretty anxious lol. Next week can't come fast enough.
Also…Is Mitsuki reading a Katsuki album? It's kinda interesting seeing her since that first time so many arcs ago. Especially among the collage of other mom's and siblings.
A time skip feels necessary at this point.
Shiragaki is both this arc villain and an end game villain, there's no doubt now.
He can't go down here because there's no set up for the next big bad and he is the power ceiling for the villains.
Being able to take down Endeavour and body plant him to the ground and having a body close to AllMight strength, there is no believable way he could lose.
That and the near high ends makes me more incline to believe that unless Horikoshi intentionally wrote himself to a corner or that a timeskip is coming
If anyone played FE3H (Fire Emblem), this could be heading to a similar scenario where the structure of the series might change.
I always felt that the MHA world has always been too peaceful for a hero society story.
If done well, the time skip could introduce new villains and organizations along with rogue heroes in a new hero society.
A timeskip would be good now if we really have a big change in the status quo. But I would like it if the ts was made exclusively to set that, not as an excuse to give the characters a redesign and new moves.
It wouldn't even have to be years, just a few months. Enough time to have the new order properly established instead of having to walk us through every move while heroes and villains established their new foundations.
That reminds me that the police were going to change in some way, wondering what will come from that, it actually may change for the worse.