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The COVID-19 (Coronavirus) Thread
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Got my third booster today.
Had to stand in a line for 4 (four) hours. Minus degrees and rain / snow included.
Like, I'm not even complaining. One should be grateful that we have a working vaccine and the money to provide it, but we currently have one of the worst vaccination rates in Europe and this shit is certainly not helping to catch up.
Anyway, got the Moderna vaccine after 2 Pfizer shots half a year ago. Didn't feel a thing with Pfizer, so let's see what Moderna can do!
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@MDL:
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Isn't this what happened with the Spanish Flu too? That it actually had nothing to do with Spain and it didn't originate there, that's just the country where the flu became public knowledge.
Got my third booster today.
Had to stand in a line for 4 (four) hours. Minus degrees and rain / snow included.
Like, I'm not even complaining. One should be grateful that we have a working vaccine and the money to provide it, but we currently have one of the worst vaccination rates in Europe and this shit is certainly not helping to catch up.
Anyway, got the Moderna vaccine after 2 Pfizer shots half a year ago. Didn't feel a thing with Pfizer, so let's see what Moderna can do!
That sucks but I'm glad you got it done. Will have to wait for my third booster for a while, they're focusing on the older population right now.
Wishing you luck with the side effects, hopefully there won't be any at all. I think one of my parents had the same combination of vaccines and in the same order, got a little fever but nothing bad.
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I had no noticeable side effects from the third shot.
In general it seems to be milder for people than shot #2.
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That's a relief to hear. Some people I know are kinda wary of the third shot after the side effects from the second one so that is great.
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You guys getting side effects from the vaccine?! What crazy thing.
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I actually had it way worse after my booster shot (for reference, my first two were Sputniks and the booster was Pfizer-Biontech). I was basically out of commission for the whole weekend. But I've also heard from one of my colleagues that she had the same vaccines at around the same time and the booster didn't really impact her as much.
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It does. I'm reacting from my booster yesterday. Not as bad as my 2nd shot, but my left arm hurts like a bitch and I woke up all loopy. But what is really weird is the kind of "vibrating" feeling I have all over. Y'know when your arm goes numb from sleeping on it or something, and the weird feeling it gets as it slowly reconnects to your nerves? That kinda feeling.
I took the day off from work b/c I didn't quite trust myself working in a fast-pasted retail environment, but it'll probably pass in a day or two.
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My parents and me all reacted to our boosters, but only about half as bad as our 2nd shots. Basically we were miserable, but awake for most of a day versus when we basically couldn't do anything but sleep the entire next day.
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I only got my second shot in August, so it's still a while before I will get my booster. Hopefully, it will be a bit easier to get in early February or so.
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I actually had it way worse after my booster shot (for reference, my first two were Sputniks and the booster was Pfizer-Biontech). I was basically out of commission for the whole weekend. But I've also heard from one of my colleagues that she had the same vaccines at around the same time and the booster didn't really impact her as much.
Anecdotally, it varies.Supposedly mixing different vaccines gives you stronger immunity, that could be why.
All three of mine were Pfizer.
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I sure hope I get stronger immunity.
My friend group (and colleagues whom I meet on occasion) are all vaccinated (some have even got the booster as well), but my mom still refuses to get hers. Even after I told her one of my best friend's dad was taken by Covid. It'll be his first Christmas since then and my heart sinks just from mere thought…
My only hope is that my mom got Covid some time ago and recovered fine (I try not to think about long-covid), so she might possess the necessary antibodies, but I'm anxious about these new strains popping up. Not for myself, I will take the vaccines, even if it means feeling like crap for a few days. But my mom still has these ideas that she gets from the internet and friend groups, and no matter how we try with my brother, we can't really seem to convince her.
I honestly try not to think about it, but sometimes the idea invades my mind, and I can only hope it won't become a reality.
What a dreadful feeling it is...
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So early findings on omicron are showing that its maybe more contagious, but less dangerous. Its leading to shorter hosptial stays, no respirators, and almost no deaths.
that's the kind of mutation we want! Everyone catch the mild version and drive down the strong one.
But obviously get your shots if you can It'll be a bit before I'm eligible for a booster.
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Been eligble for a while now but finally got around to scheduling my booster. I got screwed outta a sick day recently so gonna do it in the middle of the work week just to be spiteful.
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I was bracing for the booster to kick my ass like the second shot, but it just gave me a sore arm and a bit of tiredness for a day. They were all Moderna.
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Same here. I had a rather large bruise on my arm this time and a whole patch of skin around the shot area that was reddish and stiff, but that was the worst I felt. The tiredness and flashes of feeling hot/feeling cold were fairly mild and quite manageable.
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Covid is now a partisan virus.
Funny how that works.
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Covid is now a partisan virus.
Funny how that works.
It's been like that since Sturgis 2020.
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I'm getting my booster shot tomorrow. Hopefully it won't knock me flat like the second dose did back in May.
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Covid is now a partisan virus.
Funny how that works.
I want that guy's shirt. Wonder where I can get it.
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Anecdotally, it seems that people who got the same kind of booster as the 2nd shot had a milder reaction, but if you mixed them, you may have a worse reaction. Which isn't necessarily bad, as I've read they're finding increased immune responses from mixing.
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Anecdotally, it seems that people who got the same kind of booster as the 2nd shot had a milder reaction, but if you mixed them, you may have a worse reaction. Which isn't necessarily bad, as I've read they're finding increased immune responses from mixing.
That's how it was with me.
My booster shot of Moderna has given me the same 'week of faux flu' reaction I had from my 1st dose of Astra, when I was hoping for the 'my arm is slightly sore' reaction I got with my 2nd Astra jab :sad: -
Since Covid cases are dropping at an alarming rate, is this a good sign that the pandemic will finally be over in the next several months?
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Unlikely. COVID has so far shown to be really good at mutating and there's still way too many people being stupid about masks and vaccines.
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Unlikely. COVID has so far shown to be really good at mutating and there's still way too many people being stupid about masks and vaccines.
Argh, I understand. Guess I was being too optimistic then… x.x
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A bigger chance right now is for COVID to turn into an ENDEMIC disease, meaning a disease that can spread but never fully go away. Like the flu. The flu, or influenza, is always around, just more prevalent in the winter because people stay inside and can spread it more easily. Most people will get over it after a week or two, but some die. Thousands do. And every year we have to get a new flu shot because the flu has mutated into a new form. But at this point we just accept it as a part of life, something to be careful about but usually don't freak out over. The Spanish Flu was a pandemic that lasted for around three years and killed over 50 million people in the world (which COVID has now surpassed). Afterwards it fizzled out and became an "ordinary" flu. The same might happen with COVID. Never goes away, but just kills less. Kinda what's happening with Omicron now.
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A bigger chance right now is for COVID to turn into an ENDEMIC disease, meaning a disease that can spread but never fully go away. Like the flu. The flu, or influenza, is always around, just more prevalent in the winter because people stay inside and can spread it more easily. Most people will get over it after a week or two, but some die. Thousands do. And every year we have to get a new flu shot because the flu has mutated into a new form. But at this point we just accept it as a part of life, something to be careful about but usually don't freak out over. The Spanish Flu was a pandemic that lasted for around three years and killed over 50 million people in the world (which COVID has now surpassed). Afterwards it fizzled out and became an "ordinary" flu. The same might happen with COVID. Never goes away, but just kills less. Kinda what's happening with Omicron now.
Yeah, honestly I think that is what gonna happen with Covid, have it be an endemic. Also, I thought the Spanish Flu Pandemic only lasted like one to two years, I didn't know it was longer than that. I just know people took it more seriously back then with mask wear and vaccines. Thank you for this information too! I'm just really tired of this pandemic, it really made my social phobia even worse since I was not going out as before. I wish I could convince people to mask up, or at the very least get the vaccine.
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DJ Raul is being investigate for falsification.
https://www.mediapart.fr/journal/france/190222/les-inspecteurs-de-l-agence-de-securite-du-medicament-epinglent-les-pratiques-de-didier-raoult -
I see mask mandates going away in certain states. People stopped wearing mask some time ago. They did this last year and it came right back.
I was wearing mask and gloves when it was said to be ineffective in Feb 2020, wore them all of last year when Biden said you don't need it in the Spring, and will continue to do so.
Haven't caught Covid once and trying to keep it that way.
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I keep telling people, "Better safe than sorry". But a lot don't want to hear it.
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Oh look how Boris dealt with excellence with the pandemic
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-ultra-rich-tory-donors-with-access-to-boris-johnsons-top-team-96bvcwcxl -
I've been sick for the last two weeks and it's probably COVID.
I've had all three shots, and I haven't taken my KF94 off indoors since I ate at a friend's house last summer.
The only person I live with has also been careful and recently got her third shot.The only mistake we made was to not wear goggles.
It's been very frustrating watching the CDC essentially declare that COVID is over while everyone in my area gets very visibly sick, and I have real doubts that I'd survive this unvaccinated.
I can't even really blame anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers for their ignorance any more after seeing so many intelligent, science-minded people throw away their main tool of protection against disease out of trust in the government and our medical institutions.
We're on our own at this point, and the best advice I can give is to assume the (reasonable) worst case scenario going forward and try to prepare for that.
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I mean, you should actually confirm it with a test since you said it's only probably covid. We're at a point where anyone who wants a vaccine has likely gotten it. Covid is obviously never going to go away, that was clear since this all started. It'll become more treatable over time. But if you're already super careful and still potentially got it, I don't really know what you want people to do and what difference it would make to your situation. You can't force everyone to become vaccinated, and many people who are vaccinated are comfortable taking off the mask in public now.
I can only speak for my area though, cases have gone down since the holidays and I've notice mask wearing has gone down considerably (I only wear mine at work and in crowded indoors places, still haven't gotten sick and I'm tested weekly). With vaccinated people being significantly less affected, and hospitals aren't burdened here atm. Wondering how the summer spike will go (I don't even get how those happen, shouldn't people be doing outdoors things in the summer?).
Obviously there should be stricter requirements for healthcare settings, etc. At this point there should be more concerns for stuff like proper pay compensation for when you need to miss work due to covid. And no one is discouraging you from taking whatever measures you feel necessary, which you did take. Just check for news on when to get another booster.
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There's already apparently another mutation going around. Like FelRes said, this is probably never going to disappear. Just like the Flu never disappears, it's always around. But we've gotten better at treating it (people still die from it though). Our yearly flu shots for example have mostly kept things down, except for the idiot anti-vaxxers or if you're just damn unlucky. But as vaccines have always shown, even if you DO get sick, you can survive.
I often get a cold when the seasons turn, but we'll see how this goes. Right now I only take off my mask if I'm outside or only going to be in someplace for a short while. So right now that means only at work. But if this new mutation starts spreading faster, I'll have to go back.
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I mean, you should actually confirm it with a test since you said it's only probably covid. We're at a point where anyone who wants a vaccine has likely gotten it. Covid is obviously never going to go away, that was clear since this all started. It'll become more treatable over time. But if you're already super careful and still potentially got it, I don't really know what you want people to do and what difference it would make to your situation. You can't force everyone to become vaccinated, and many people who are vaccinated are comfortable taking off the mask in public now.
I can only speak for my area though, cases have gone down since the holidays and I've notice mask wearing has gone down considerably (I only wear mine at work and in crowded indoors places, still haven't gotten sick and I'm tested weekly). With vaccinated people being significantly less affected, and hospitals aren't burdened here atm. Wondering how the summer spike will go (I don't even get how those happen, shouldn't people be doing outdoors things in the summer?).
Obviously there should be stricter requirements for healthcare settings, etc. At this point there should be more concerns for stuff like proper pay compensation for when you need to miss work due to covid. And no one is discouraging you from taking whatever measures you feel necessary, which you did take. Just check for news on when to get another booster.
The frustrating thing is I have taken an at-home test and got a negative result, but BA2 has been generating a lot of false negatives in rapid tests.
I haven't had the energy to sit in a doctor's office and wait upwards of an hour to get a PCR test, and if a lot of the people are going to be unmasked or wearing cloth masks I won't feel very safe there.The other possibilities still seem significantly less likely than COVID because it's already known that BA2 is spreading rapidly in my area, I'm well-protected against the flu having been vaccinated and wearing an N95-equivalent mask (which is much better at stopping flu spread than Omicron/BA2 spread), and colds never last this long for me.
It's also hard not to assume that it's COVID because a huge number of people are visibly sick in every public space.
When I went to physical therapy last week (before I realized I wasn't just suffering from allergies), half the people there were hacking and wheezing.
A large number of staff and kids are out sick at my girlfriend's school.
I've heard quite a few neighbors at my apartment complex loudly coughing and sneezing, more than I've ever heard at any one point in the pandemic up to this point.The whole experience is freaking me out a bit because the case numbers don't come even close to reflecting the reality on the ground.
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To be fair, you could be making assumptions about people being sick. Yes, they can be coughing and all that, but people have conditions. I have asthma and throat problems and am prone to clearing my throat (especially when not in tip top form), and pretty much have a permanent sore throat. A girl at work has GERD and coughs a lot. But I'm not actually sick with anything infectious and I'm not goint to stay home just because someone might think it could be.
Just the past couple weeks people at my job were getting sniffles from allergies, but we're all tested weekly and it wasn't covid. There have been periods where a bunch of coworkers got covid and had to stay home for a couple weeks, but they would mention it was gotten from people they live with or gatherings. Yet it didn't really spread at work. I don't know how I wasn't infected, I was working with unknowingly infectious people legit a foot away from me all day talking to me before their result came in. And these people were totally asymptomatic, while my wheezy self was just fine.
My point being that you can't tell who's sick just by looking at who is coughing. It doesn't work like that. And remember that anxiety will often arise some symptoms in your head and you can convince yourself you have something you don't actually have.
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I'd second FelRes about being careful thinking people are sick because of a cough. The majority of my colleagues who got Covid were infected by their significant other, when their sickness was in such an early stage they hadn't developed any symptoms yet. So when they finally started getting symptoms it was too late for the other to prevent getting it themselves.
On a semi-related note I got my third shot and I'm tempted to have that be my last because I those side effects hit me like a truck. 39 degree fever and chills so bad I could barely hold a mug. But I suppose it's better than having Covid.
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@Zar:
I'd second FelRes about being careful thinking people are sick because of a cough. The majority of my colleagues who got Covid were infected by their significant other, when their sickness was in such an early stage they hadn't developed any symptoms yet. So when they finally started getting symptoms it was too late for the other to prevent getting it themselves.
On a semi-related note I got my third shot and I'm tempted to have that be my last because I those side effects hit me like a truck. 39 degree fever and chills so bad I could barely hold a mug. But I suppose it's better than having Covid.
That seems unusual.
The normal dose for a booster shot is half of the second shot, so most people get fairly mild side effects.I'd talk to the doctor about that.
To be fair, you could be making assumptions about people being sick. Yes, they can be coughing and all that, but people have conditions. I have asthma and throat problems and am prone to clearing my throat (especially when not in tip top form), and pretty much have a permanent sore throat. A girl at work has GERD and coughs a lot. But I'm not actually sick with anything infectious and I'm not goint to stay home just because someone might think it could be.
Just the past couple weeks people at my job were getting sniffles from allergies, but we're all tested weekly and it wasn't covid. There have been periods where a bunch of coworkers got covid and had to stay home for a couple weeks, but they would mention it was gotten from people they live with or gatherings. Yet it didn't really spread at work. I don't know how I wasn't infected, I was working with unknowingly infectious people legit a foot away from me all day talking to me before their result came in. And these people were totally asymptomatic, while my wheezy self was just fine.
My point being that you can't tell who's sick just by looking at who is coughing. It doesn't work like that. And remember that anxiety will often arise some symptoms in your head and you can convince yourself you have something you don't actually have.
Well… you're right that I'm not thinking straight right now, but I'm confident that I really am sick because my voice sounds super rough and I have a productive cough and occasionally discolored mucus.
Seasonal allergies rarely give me a sore throat and never an altered state of mind like this.
In fact, I've noticed that my normal allergies have been almost totally covered up by my current symptoms.
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The side effects I got from the booster were much worse than for either of the first two doses of the same vaccine.
This is normal, symptoms of sickness develop after vaccines because your immune system is reacting to the foreign elements in your body. The better your immune system gets at recognizing the pathogens, the stronger your reaction will be.
If you get little or no symptoms after a vaccination, it can actually be a bad sign. Could be evidence that your immune system isn't reacting to the vaccine the way it should.
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Well… you're right that I'm not thinking straight right now, but I'm confident that I really am sick because my voice sounds super rough and I have a productive cough and occasionally discolored mucus.
Seasonal allergies rarely give me a sore throat and never an altered state of mind like this.
In fact, I've noticed that my normal allergies have been almost totally covered up by my current symptoms.
It's either Omicron/Stealth Omicron or the flu, and N95-equivalent masks let in about twice as many Omicron virions as flu virions.Hey maybe you do have it. You might not too. I'm just worried because you seem to be convincing yourself it MUST be the worst even though it could be a ton of things. If you're concerned then take precautions to make sure you don't get anyone else sick and try to relax until you get better. That's all that really matters.
The side effects I got from the booster were much worse than for either of the first two doses of the same vaccine.
This is normal, symptoms of sickness develop after vaccines because your immune system is reacting to the foreign elements in your body. The better your immune system gets at recognizing the pathogens, the stronger your reaction will be.
If you get little or no symptoms after a vaccination, it can actually be a bad sign. Could be evidence that your immune system isn't reacting to the vaccine the way it should.
There was actually some research done revealing that 2/3 of side effects were the nocebo effect. Everyone talking about side effects so much caused expectations and anxiety which led to people believing they were experiencing side effects they didn't have. So while your arm likely was sore, there's reason to doubt any headaches or fatigue you may have had, especially after the second vaccine. I didn't really feel anything after my booster which I got after learning about this. Something like this could actually cause some hesitent people to get vaccinated if side effects were genuinely their concern.
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Hey maybe you do have it. You might not too. I'm just worried because you seem to be convincing yourself it MUST be the worst even though it could be a ton of things. If you're concerned then take precautions to make sure you don't get anyone else sick and try to relax until you get better. That's all that really matters.
The uncertainty was getting to me.
That and the fact that I had to cut back on my anxiety medicine because it was interacting with the alcohol in the Nyquil that I ended up needing to take to get a proper night's sleep.Thanks for your concern though.
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There was actually some research done revealing that 2/3 of side effects were the nocebo effect. Everyone talking about side effects so much caused expectations and anxiety which led to people believing they were experiencing side effects they didn't have. So while your arm likely was sore, there's reason to doubt any headaches or fatigue you may have had, especially after the second vaccine. I didn't really feel anything after my booster which I got after learning about this. Something like this could actually cause some hesitent people to get vaccinated if side effects were genuinely their concern.
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Conclusions and Relevance: In this systematic review and meta-analysis, significantly more AEs were reported in vaccine groups compared with placebo groups, but the rates of reported AEs in the placebo arms were still substantial. Public vaccination programs should consider these high rates of AEs in placebo arms.
I wasn't imagining my symptoms. Fever, sweats, chills, aches for about two days after my booster.
Edit: To be clear, I got Moderna for all three shots. The symptoms got progressively worse with each one, but even with the first one I definitely experienced a 101F fever and body aches.
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The uncertainty was getting to me.
That and the fact that I had to cut back on my anxiety medicine because it was interacting with the alcohol in the Nyquil that I ended up needing to take to get a proper night's sleep.Thanks for your concern though.
Oh yeah I feel that. I used to be dependant on anxiety meds and can get mad bouts of hypochondria. It's horrible and I've wasted too much money to have doctors tell me I'm fine or have something less severe rip. Hope ya get better soon
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I wasn't imagining my symptoms. Fever, sweats, chills, aches for about two days after my booster.
Edit: To be clear, I got Moderna for all three shots. The symptoms got progressively worse with each one, but even with the first one I definitely experienced a 101F fever and body aches.
I can't tell you whether you had genuine symptoms or not. If you measured a fever then you had a fever. But there are very much people who will go in expecting symptoms and then come out convincing themselves they have certain symptoms. There's even people who checked into hospitals thinking they had covid but it was just anxiety. I know I had the sore arm, but I question the fatigue I had. It's a hell of a thing.
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I don't really see a reason to casually doubt someone's symptoms.
If you get little or no symptoms after a vaccination, it can actually be a bad sign. Could be evidence that your immune system isn't reacting to the vaccine the way it should.
That doesn't seem to be true for the MRNA vaccines, at least based on all the coverage I've read.
A strong reaction doesn't mean there's inherently something wrong with you but if it causes severe illness I'd definitely check with a doctor.
If you've become immunocompromised or developed an allergy to the vaccine that's something you really want to know.Plus, if it turns out to be nothing it means you don't have to worry for the future.
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@Zar:
On a semi-related note I got my third shot and I'm tempted to have that be my last because I those side effects hit me like a truck. 39 degree fever and chills so bad I could barely hold a mug. But I suppose it's better than having Covid.
I had similar symptoms with my second moderna jab. Chills, hot flush, fatigue etc. Even worse that it happened on my first day of a new job, which didn't look great. Luckily a few other people had been through it and understood what I was going through.
I personally won't opt for the booster jabs. Over the last two years I have been surrounded by people and never managed to contract it. So either I don't show symptoms, got it early before given my daily test kits and have some degree of immunity or have the devil's luck. Either way I feel it's better than risking having the symptoms from the jab. Luckily I'm in a position to rarely be in contact with people at risk due to the nature of my career.
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Considering that I felt no side effects from a triple sack of Pfizer…you guys getting symptoms?! Damn SUS vaccination program does build a strong body.
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The new, even more contagious variant of omicron is now the biggest strain of COVID in the US:
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/29/1089494990/the-more-contagious-ba-2-version-of-omicron-is-now-the-most-common-in-the-u-s?utm_campaign=storyshare&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR0HNe63euygxvPqgV1o9FNdQSk6jcYDk4se1bDJnzqc0ZrNNKchgU4u62cSeriously, keep wearing you masks people.
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Seriously, keep wearing you masks people.
Provided you don’t live in a shitty state telling private institutions like schools or businesses to not let employees or patrons wear masks
Case and point
https://nordot.app/881936948906688512?c=592622757532812385
And also if you haven’t yet done so get the vaccine.
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We’ve officially tallied 1 million Covid deaths and this is what we’re doing
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/13/white-house-vaccines-covid-funding-impasse-00032319
Self filling prophecies much?