Was it me? Did I get baited?
Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 7 - Wano)
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Was it me? Did I get baited?
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It still gives more possibilities to Jinbe.
There's nothing to sustain Sanji vs Burgess so far.Not sure man. The two OG martial artists from the Straw Hats and Black Beards. Members who have been with their respective crews very early on. Not that that really means anything.
There are a lot of allusions to Sanji being a devil. Germa 66 looks very much like 666, the mark of the beast! Diable Jambe, devils leg, Hell's Memories and living in hell for 2 years. All that Nazi imagery! The devil! Who should the devil fight? Thats right none other than Jesus Chr- Burgess!
Jesus Burgess has that really big and developed upper body in contrast to Sanji who has that thin well developed lower half. Big chicken breasts and arms VS great legs! At least at first! What kind of bird is that on his belt? Might that be hint at whats to come? Could he get a bird fruit in the future? Is it some kind of Phoenix? A bird who can regenerate and rise from the ashes like Jesus Christ himself once did? Maybe the Black Beards get even more fruits from the White Beards. Becoming an even more twisted version of them. It's pure speculation but maybe 1st Division Marco loses his fruit to Captain of the 1st Fleet Burgess. Zoan fruits generally work best with hand to hand combatants! A hand to foot fight that can take place in the sky? Blue Fire vs Red Fire? It could even turn into foot to foot judging by the way Marco utilized his talons. Sign me up!
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Was it me? Did I get baited?
Hahaha, no not you, no worries! Just the usual.
My problem is it's for me to be excited to see an enemy defeated if he already has a long history of being defeating. My heroes arent accompishing a task believed impossible but confirming a trend.
I can understand that. On the other hand however I think people kind of like the ultimate enemy being someone else who we saw work their way to the top. Full of unexpected detours and stumbles along the way. Rather than the all knowing and all powerful.
I mean just look at Teach himself. Getting blasted by the knock up stream, screaming in pain from Ace, getting the whole crew one shotted by Magellan. Getting blasted by Sengoku. Crying for mercy when White Beard wasn't phased by his Darkness trickery. Then you've got him and the whole crew running like scardy cats when Akainu showed up at the burning island.
They weren't and likely still aren't at the level of Roger, White Beard, Lin Lin and Kaidou. At some point we are going to see them in a light that looks almost insurmountable. Just not yet!
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We still don't know who the last straw hat and the last Black Beard member, so that might throw a wrench in the predictions (Yes I'm gonna continue going about like there's one more member for each until Oda specifically tells us otherwise)
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Not sure man. The two OG martial artists from the Straw Hats and Black Beards. Members who have been with their respective crews very early on. Not that that really means anything.
There are a lot of allusions to Sanji being a devil. Germa 66 looks very much like 666, the mark of the beast! Diable Jambe, devils leg, Hell's Memories and living in hell for 2 years. All that Nazi imagery! The devil! Who should the devil fight? Thats right none other than Jesus Chr- Burgess!
Jesus Burgess has that really big and developed upper body in contrast to Sanji who has that thin well developed lower half. Big chicken breasts and arms VS great legs! At least at first! What kind of bird is that on his belt? Might that be hint at whats to come? Could he get a bird fruit in the future? Is it some kind of Phoenix? A bird who can regenerate and rise from the ashes like Jesus Christ himself once did? Maybe the Black Beards get even more fruits from the White Beards. Becoming an even more twisted version of them. It's pure speculation but maybe 1st Division Marco loses his fruit to Captain of the 1st Fleet Burgess. Zoan fruits generally work best with hand to hand combatants! A hand to foot fight that can take place in the sky? Blue Fire vs Red Fire? It could even turn into foot to foot judging by the way Marco utilized his talons. Sign me up!
But Jinbe is more of a martial artist than Sanji given that Mr Prince only uses half his body.
Besides whatever the 'Jesus' came from I don't think it did from God's son, come on nowHis date of joining isn't important enough given the very first mate of Luffy is gon fight some addition Teach got like 2 years ago.
I'm too waiting for whatever fruit Burguess gets, definitely is gotta be a sick one to compensate for what Sabo did to him(freaking Sabo).However it does seem super fitting to me that things develop in roles for the Admiral and the four highest captains;
Captain vs Captain
Helmsman vs Helmsman
Swordsman vs Swordman
Sniper vs Sniper
Cook position to be confirmed, unless Vivre cards already did on someone else??Everyone else can go on whatever they wish, exept Chopper, he can fight Doc Q.
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But Jinbe is more of a martial artist than Sanji given that Mr Prince only uses half his body.
You've just insulted every real life martial artist who exclusively use the legs.
Edit: I don't really care. ;)
Besides whatever the 'Jesus' came from I don't think it did from God's son, come on now
I'm dead serious! Especially if he would end up being Sanji's opponent. Especially especially if he did end up getting the phoenix fruit! At the very least it would be neat coincidence tying him and Sanji together! I wouldn't have put so much thought into it if Sanji wasn't the devil already.
His date of joining isn't important enough given the very first mate of Luffy is gon fight some addition Teach got like 2 years ago.
Yes, just as I said.
I'm too waiting for whatever fruit Burguess gets, definitely is gotta be a sick one to compensate for what Sabo did to him(freaking Sabo).
I think you aren't giving enough credit to Sabo. 2nd in command to a group that is trying to over throw the World Government. Ace only had a 500 or 550 million berry bounty before his death but that was just from under 4 full years as a pirate. He was good enough for White Beard's second division and was revered all around the world. Sabo was nearly Ace's equivalent growing up, the flashback and current story make that super clear. Yeah freaking Sabo, the loser.
However it does seem super fitting to me that things develop in roles for the Admiral and the four highest captains;
Captain vs Captain
Helmsman vs Helmsman
Swordsman vs Swordman
Sniper vs Sniper
Cook position to be confirmed, unless Vivre cards already did on someone else??Everyone else can go on whatever they wish, exept Chopper, he can fight Doc Q.
I do agree that as martial arts helmsmens Jinbe and Jesus do have a few interesting things in common. Beyond that though Jesus and Sanji just have so much more in common and things that are thematically opposite of one another.
A few of the Black Beards and Straw Hats line up job for job, especially if their jobs are combat oriented. But there is no way Lafitte and Brook don't face off in the final fight. You got two Tim Burton stars, colored similarly with the black and white, carrying canes, both musically oriented, both able to hypnotize and manipulate opponents, one flies vs one that can run up walls and over water. The Demon Sheriff VS a guy who was perceived as the demon king. And who knows if it'll mean anything in the future but both are form the West Blue.
Brook the colorful, current day rockstar VS Lafitte the vintage, black and white tap dancer.
Navigator Lafitte and Navigator Nami have no chance to do their final battles with one another while Catarina Devon is around. Catarina Devon! The woman who likes to collect the heads of beautiful women! Robin and Vivi are beautiful but its always Nami that the beauty emphasis is generally placed on! Nami's magical monkey king like abilities allow her to make illusions! Devon has a Mythical Kitsune fruit generating illusions all her own! And they both like to be fashionable! They are fighting!
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Jesus and Sanji just have so much more in common and things that are thematically opposite of one another.
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I'm a bit curious of your claim that Jesus and Sanji "have more much in common", Specially cause you kind of… Ahemm didn't mention any of that commom stuff they suposedly share.
Jinbe shares position, unique blood type that they both share with their Captains, and a deep connection to Ace that Burguess despicably laughts at.
Now this is all 'in-series-stuff', zero speculation.
So would you mind to elaborate about that common stuff??I don't quite see any.
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Koala commented back in Dressrosa that Burguess had absurd leg strength.
I think his fighting style fits more the diamond fruit. And just ramming people with his elbow attack. Diamond also has a high melting point, can Sanji's will burn higher than that.
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Vasco shot and jimbe are also the biggest of their crews, like both can't fit the ships's doors. Burgess is smaller more in line with the more normal sized bb pirates, despite his beefcake body. Jimbe is bigger then Burgess and would look like jimbe is bullying Burgess in a battle.:ninja:
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Vasco shot and jimbe are also the biggest of their crews, like both can't fit the ships's doors. Burgess is smaller more in line with the more normal sized bb pirates, despite his beefcake body. Jimbe is bigger then Burgess and would look like jimbe is bullying Burgess in a battle.:ninja:
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Sjw is the biggest.
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Characters are changing sizes as the series progresses and changing when performing a form. Does shape and size have to be similar?
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We still don't know who the last straw hat and the last Black Beard member, so that might throw a wrench in the predictions (Yes I'm gonna continue going about like there's one more member for each until Oda specifically tells us otherwise)
I don't understand why I've seen people say that BB needs one more member. The reason people think Luffy needs one more is because BB already HAS 11 (BB himself plus 10 captains). Or do you just think that it's the case that Kuzan is one but will leave and then make way for someone else or what?
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It's not that Blackbeard needs one more member, it's the fact that we don't know the identity of the last Titanic Captain. We know that there are ten while we have nine named Blackbeard Pirates if we exclude Teach himself, Stronger and Aokiji.
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It's not that Blackbeard needs one more member, it's the fact that we don't know the identity of the last Titanic Captain. We know that there are ten while we have nine named Blackbeard Pirates if we exclude Teach himself, Stronger and Aokiji.
Right that makes sense, I misread it. I tend to read a few AP posts when I've just woken up and am still in bed.
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Koala commented back in Dressrosa that Burguess had absurd leg strength.
I think his fighting style fits more the diamond fruit. And just ramming people with his elbow attack. Diamond also has a high melting point, can Sanji's will burn higher than that.
The Diamond fruit is an obsession at this point, but I can understand why. After all these new extra-broken powers it would be refreshing to go back to something simple, yet effective.
Also Brilliant Punk is the best attack name.It would also be fitting if Sanji fights the Mr. Prince of the Blackbeard Pirates.
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I guess it seems that way, although I always argued against Shybum getting the fruit because of Mihawk's flying slash.
I always found that Jozu and Burguess have similar fighting styles.
My only question is if Oda will dable further into genetics and allows certain Blackbeard members be modified to handle two fruits like Teach.
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I would like to see burgess with Kuma's fruit instead. Way more fun and versatile. If oda goes with surprise fruit for shilliew why not Burgess too. I want to see SHs fight that power again after TB.
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Zoro cutting diamond Shiryuu while Mihawk failing would have been an elegant solution to his dream
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Zoro will fight Burgess with the diamond fruit
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diamond shilliew would be just mr1 2.0 for zoro. At least cutting something he can't see is something else, also cutting/beating evil sanji seems fitting.
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Also, given Zoro's sense of direction, an invisible opponent has potential.
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The first thing that we saw Shilliew do with his new power is stab someone in the back. That alone only reaffirms him as the Anti-Zoro.
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Still think after Jinbei, there's Carrot. After that, in the less likely field, it's Pedro or Pekoms. Then, Raizo, Kiku and Tama are in the least likely field.
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Still think after Jinbei, there's Carrot. After that, in the less likely field, it's Pedro or Pekoms. Then, Raizo, Kiku and Tama are in the least likely field.
I still think we haven’t met the last crewmate yet
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I still think we haven’t met the last crewmate yet
Chances are getting slimmer.
Wano has successfully failed to introduce a suitable character to join the crew.
Elbaf is mostly inhabitated by giants, that's covered with Hajrudin, it holds some hope due to the fact that people from across the world are allowed to live there but still ugh.
We may visit the island/place where WB or Marco hid the last RP, likely to be the message Nekomumashi is carrying to Luffy now.
from this point, once that one last RP is found, it should be straight up to Lodestar and Laugh Tale, both very likely to be unhabitated, so no crewmate at all.
the One Piece is found and the world goes on war, Luffy has to go and destroy Gyojin Island, maybe invade Mariejois in the process, but from CD´s and Mermaids, no crewmate at all either.I still wished for Space Adventure, but welp, I suppose it'll go like; Wano-Elbaf-Last RP-Lodestar-Laugh Tale-Mariejois/Gyojin Island.
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Witching Hour Boy / Ushimitsu Kozo (whatever you call him) is the only remaining possibility but even that is doubtful now.
It looks to be too far in the arc for that character to be someone new (my guess is that it's Denjiro).
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The only problem I have with Shybum and the Clear fruit is the fact that Sanji's fight with Absalom was really bad and I don't see how you could make fighting white space exciting.
But hey, benefit of the doubt I guess.And it does kinda fit vs. Zoro as Robby noted. Not only due to his bad sense of direction, but because the Mihawkigan is going to be useless.
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I actually can't wait for that training flashback.
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Chances are getting slimmer.
Wano has successfully failed to introduce a suitable character to join the crew.
Elbaf is mostly inhabitated by giants, that's covered with Hajrudin, it holds some hope due to the fact that people from across the world are allowed to live there but still ugh.
We may visit the island/place where WB or Marco hid the last RP, likely to be the message Nekomumashi is carrying to Luffy now.
from this point, once that one last RP is found, it should be straight up to Lodestar and Laugh Tale, both very likely to be unhabitated, so no crewmate at all.
the One Piece is found and the world goes on war, Luffy has to go and destroy Gyojin Island, maybe invade Mariejois in the process, but from CD´s and Mermaids, no crewmate at all either.I still wished for Space Adventure, but welp, I suppose it'll go like; Wano-Elbaf-Last RP-Lodestar-Laugh Tale-Mariejois/Gyojin Island.
There's no way in hell that Oda's just gonna go the route we know 100% He's gonna throw in some mystery island we've never heard of before, like how we knew the Straw Hats were going to Alabasta but then got side tracked and went to Drum Island
I assume something like that will happen again
and we def have a lot of stuff we've yet to see, outside of the stuff you mentioned
We have the conflict with the Rocks Pirates, the island with level 6 prisoner escapee's on it that was mentioned in Dressrosa that no one ever seems to remember, An Island with Vega Punk on it, we need Luffy to meet the revolutionaries, especially his dad, I know most people won't agree with me but I think we'll have an arc where they team up with Croc since Oda keeps showing him and we still haven't learned his secret Iva told us about (probs Transgender), at some point Weevil and Moria have to come back (but that may be this arc) and like I said probably a few surprises along the way, and one more admiral to see
also Bonney, Urouge need some time to shine
oh yeah and we may have another rescue arc based off what Black Beard was saying
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The three eyed tribe could live at Lodestar. So happy we finally have a name, I was tired of saying: final island of log pose.
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There's no way in hell that Oda's just gonna go the route we know 100% He's gonna throw in some mystery island we've never heard of before, like how we knew the Straw Hats were going to Alabasta but then got side tracked and went to Drum Island
I assume something like that will happen again
and we def have a lot of stuff we've yet to see, outside of the stuff you mentioned
We have the conflict with the Rocks Pirates, the island with level 6 prisoner escapee's on it that was mentioned in Dressrosa that no one ever seems to remember, An Island with Vega Punk on it, we need Luffy to meet the revolutionaries, especially his dad, I know most people won't agree with me but I think we'll have an arc where they team up with Croc since Oda keeps showing him and we still haven't learned his secret Iva told us about (probs Transgender), at some point Weevil and Moria have to come back (but that may be this arc) and like I said probably a few surprises along the way, and one more admiral to see
also Bonney, Urouge need some time to shine
oh yeah and we may have another rescue arc based off what Black Beard was saying
uh, yeah, the possible location of the last RP is that mystery island.
Rock Pirates are gone, the Kaido-Big Mom alliance is going down here in Wano.
I don't recall an island of escapees, but as long as it doesnt have a RP, I see no reason why they should go there.
VegaPunk can do whatever he wants, its likely we're going to meet him elsewhere and not exactly at his Lab.And yeah Luffy and the Revs are crossing paths… when One Piece is revealed and the world goes to war, that's the perfect time.
it's all covered perfectly within those places I mentioned.--- Update From New Post Merge ---
Witching Hour Boy / Ushimitsu Kozo (whatever you call him) is the only remaining possibility but even that is doubtful now.
It looks to be too far in the arc for that character to be someone new (my guess is that it's Denjiro).
Hiyori made a heart-attack face upon hearing 'The Witching Hour Boy' had been caught, said reaction went away at the moment she realized it was just Yasuie taking the blame.
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I still think we haven’t met the last crewmate yet
I don't know the limit of nakama or have any guess on who's the last member. Just out of who is known to be likely and less likely so far, I made some speculation.
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uh, yeah, the possible location of the last RP is that mystery island.
Rock Pirates are gone, the Kaido-Big Mom alliance is going down here in Wano.
I don't recall an island of escapees, but as long as it doesnt have a RP, I see no reason why they should go there.
VegaPunk can do whatever he wants, its likely we're going to meet him elsewhere and not exactly at his Lab.I was trying to look stuff up to make a point but now I'm reading things differently, I assumed originally when Garp and his Marine buddies were talking about the return of rocks that they meant the other members coming together without said captain, but now I'm just reading it as foreshadowing Kaido and big mom's making an alliance
also I could have sworn in chapter 716 the bounty hunter guy said that the other level 6 prisoners were on an island, but I can't find that translation anywhere, right now on the viz site it says he simply knows where they are
I still think some level 6 escapees will make trouble for the straw hats because there's got to be a reason Oda ended a marineford chapter on a cliffhanger of them telling Sengoku they weren't going to notify anyone about there escapes, and again mentioning the level 6 prisoners in chapter 716 like I already stated
but now I'm bummed out about Rocks, I thought they were gonna reform with or without there captain and be an unexpected big bad :sad:
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Sanji fits to fight burgess because he is like evil zoro or germa, champion at fighting, only thing he cares about is fighting, beefcake muscle head.
Zoro vs evil sanji, shilliew
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The way Oda crunched down the Roger finds OP flashback to like three chapters really takes a hammer to any expectations that he'll spend any significant time on any side-stories like the not BB or Crocodile/Jinbei/Doffy level sixers.
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The way Oda crunched down the Roger finds OP flashback to like three chapters really takes a hammer to any expectations that he'll spend any significant time on any side-stories like the not BB or Crocodile/Jinbei/Doffy level sixers.
And still there are people who belive that those obscure underworld brokes will be a big thing…
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I still think some level 6 escapees will make trouble for the straw hats because there's got to be a reason Oda ended a marineford chapter on a cliffhanger of them telling Sengoku they weren't going to notify anyone about there escapes, and again mentioning the level 6 prisoners in chapter 716 like I already stated
Oda introduces things then cuts them for pacing concerns all the time. The clearest example I can think of is Thriller Bark where he introduced all the unique designed general zombies, and then rather than have the Strawhats ever even SEE them let alone have fights with them, Oars just crushes them so the arc can finish a few months sooner. Nor was there ever even confrontation with the Zoro and Sanji zombies, they just got caught up in Moria mass nuking his entire supply of shadows.
Working at an ongoing serial does that, you don't really get to go back and edit old things that would have otherwise been cut or changed with a second draft.
I think in the case of those prisoners he largely wrote it off as "Buggy has taken in most of them so they're fairly harmless".
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Love that this was brought up. There are still people who can't tell the difference between a broker and an Emperor. "The Underworld will not like this" has been a recurring theme since Punk Hazard. I can't remember who said it would be a "big thing", but if that is what you take from "Oda might not skip this" then okay.
This Roger/OP stuff seems more like a new beginning. No more Warlords, Marines are out with a new weapon, Kaido is scheduled to lose Wano which is of great value, etc. Yonko Saga has been setting up the real New World adventure. After helping Vivi, the crew got to go to Skypiea, W7, TB, etc. Since entering the New World, most of this is because of Law's dealings like it was for Vivi at the start of Paradise. I doubt Linlin's goons even find Sanji that early if not for this. If it is the alternative that you say, i'm also mentally prepared for these minor things to get rushed or not addressed at all. That alternative is not consistent at all with how Oda has addressed the story. I question if some has even questioned that or are just overwhelmed or distracted with this flashback.
How can you still think it's only a little time left or not enough room to cover everything when we're still learning about Haki, DF applications like Awakening, almost clueless about VOAT, nothing on the last weapon, getting bits of what D clan is about, Underworld, Research Team, possibly a visit to Lodestar, etc.
WCI arc covered so much and Wano is topping it with how much is being covered. Yet, there's no room to cover everything because this Roger stuff is giving another glimpse into what the One Piece could be. It's an insular way to think really
It is interesting that Underworld Emperors are being compared to Moria's zombies tho
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How can you still think it's only a little time left or not enough room to cover everything when we're still learning about Haki, DF applications like Awakening, almost clueless about VOAT, nothing on the last weapon, getting bits of what D clan is about, Underworld, Research Team, possibly a visit to Lodestar, etc.
Because Oda has expressed desire to wrap the series up in the near future. I don't believe his claim of 5 years, there's just too much still to do and he's bad at guessing his pace, but going down the checklist, if he does more chapters like the last few that really cram things, 8 isn't out of the question.
Compared to how Oda used to handle things, he's been cutting corners since Fishman Island, particularly in regards to on-camera fights and showcasing the crew together. If he really truly wants to be done, cutting a few more corners and skipping over some other details he maybe would have spent time on 15 years ago isn't unreasonable.
Haki, DF applications like Awakening, almost clueless about VOAT, nothing on the last weapon, getting bits of what D clan is about, Underworld, Research Team, possibly a visit to Lodestar, etc.
Vegapunk and Raftel will be able to cover almost all those things pretty cleanly pretty fast. Those are not things that will take years t answer, they will take a couple chapters of info-dump and flashbacks when we get to those spots.
DF awakening and the final weapon can all go in on Blackbeard when his plot starts heating up more. Heck, it might have already started with him declaring he was going after something last time we saw him.
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Because Oda has expressed desire to wrap the series up in the near future. I don't believe his claim of 5 years, there's just too much still to do and he's bad at guessing his pace, but going down the checklist, if he does more chapters like the last few that really cram things, 8 isn't out of the question.
Compared to how Oda used to handle things, he's been cutting corners since Fishman Island, particularly in regards to on-camera fights and showcasing the crew together. If he really truly wants to be done, cutting a few more corners and skipping over some other details he maybe would have spent time on 15 years ago isn't unreasonable.
Vegapunk and Raftel will be able to cover almost all those things pretty cleanly pretty fast. Those are not things that will take years t answer, they will take a couple chapters of info-dump and flashbacks when we get to those spots.
DF awakening and the final weapon can all go in on Blackbeard when his plot starts heating up more. Heck, it might have already started with him declaring he was going after something last time we saw him.
Even if I erase pre-timeskip from memory and purely go off post timeskip, we've gotten these things sprinkled in bits throughout each arc. You're saying we're gonna stop that and just get in 2-3 sittings. We haven't seen any real relationship between VP or Teach with the Underworld, how can you just force those together?
Oda just started another thing with Teach going after something that we don't know about. He entered multiple things on a fly. I doubt he's done with doing that. He's very unpredictable for his own estimations and for his editors to keep up. For me to buy into that some of this to be forced together, there has to be hints already laid out. Teach has defied the supposed DF limit and has a way to guarantee the dead's DF to his crew. Is this supposed to be the link to Awakening. Even that alternative will take time to set up. That goes further towards my point that even the supposed rushing will be paced slowly
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Those are all things that can be done in a few panels here or there. They're not things that need huge dedicated 6 month arcs to just deal with that thing.
For example, look at how quickly Oda
*killed Absalom
*gave his power to a BB
*had Moria rampage
*had Moria confront BB about it
*showcased the powers of other BB members
*set Moria up to do… something else.That was in like, two pages. Pre-timeskip that could have been an entire chapter.
Oda can cut corners and convey a lot of info in a small space when he wants to. Just look at how crazy packed the last three chapters of flashback have been, compared to even how slow the first three chapters of flashback were.
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I repeatedly say that they are given to us in doses or sprinkled through arcs for build up, but you turn it into something that deserves it's own arc. How does that make any sense at all?
Now you're comparing the showcasing of DF allocation to Underworld stuff that has been built up. We got the use of Teach's ability sprinkled through multiple arcs before he fought WB with it and then gained WB's ability. It didn't required a full arc and it applies to what i'm saying. We still can't tell if taking abilities or dealing it out is stem from his Yami Yami or something else. It has been building and is consistent with how Oda handles things.
Another thing that i'm pleased that you brought up. "Two pages". What was done in those 2 pages? Do we know what has become of Moria? How did Shiryu get Absalom's ability? We basically got more questions than answers. That is even more build up more than conclusion. You're providing inaccurate equivalencies, while further proving my point.
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Lets try this again.
How can you still think it's only a little time left or not enough room to cover everything when
Because Oda has expressed a desire to wrap the series up in the near future.
Knowing he wants to end the series in five years changes how you have to look at the whole. Even if you assume there's no way he's going to manage it in five and it needs to be at least eight, its still a change in mindset and pacing.
I wasn't really buying it either because Oda can't help himself, but the pace and density of this flashback has me convinced that he's going to try and have it all done by the 30th anniversary. And that changes things and how much time he's going to actually spend on the million little side things in the series that ultimately, aren't actually important to the main story.
There's obviously a lot of things that DO still need to be covered. Doesn't mean they'll be covered at any length. And there's a lot of things that are just world building that don't need to be touched again, like the underworld or excess Impel Down escapees. Would it be nice to adress those things? Sure. Can they be covered in a single sentence. Yes. Do they even need to be that much? No.
I can make a comprehensive list of all the loose ends and plot threads and characters to follow up on, and we'd get a list that shows the series still has 30 years to go. It's not going to. Some stuff is going to be glossed over.
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This flashback seems more like a nugget to satisfy an audience that has been around for long and to inch closer to the end. Like the 2 pages, I have more questions than answers. What this mean for the crew? Especially because the audience is viewing this and not the characters.
I see you finally get that I never said that any of the things brought up deserved it's own arc. We're in an arc where 2 of the goods are on display. The kairoseki actually originates from Wano and SAD is destroying some of the people. There are many ways to flesh it out as i've been saying. Yet some still feel that it can be skipped over
Yikes, a lot of that message disappeared lol
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Oda referred to level 6 prisoners several times, which leads me to believe it will not be cut.
I imagine them to be relevant in the Vegapunk arc, where we will probably also see the SSG or a part of it, be reunited with a strengthened Smoker and the saved kids, tackle the Kuma issue that was built up on the road to Fishman Island, get the Revo meeting with the Strawhats, and where finally the devil fruits will be explained fully.
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Forgot to mention the prisoners as well as the way the Royals go at each other which was illustrated by Garp.
Might have to go back and check, but I think the prisoners went through some kind of gauntlet where only the strongest made it out. Teach told them to kill each other if they wanted to get out. So, there's guys outside of those who became BB Pirates possibly going back to what they used to do or joining up with others for something new.
It kind of bothers me that it is said that each of those guys are a danger to a country as a measurement for concern, but they only care about countries that pay that tribute. You don't care for every country the same, but stand on this whole justice garbage.
As I said, it's a lot
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Meh, what do they matter.
There's gonna be a second massive prison break anyways.No way Bon-Chan and Doula Mongo stay there for when WWI happens.
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Forgot to mention the prisoners as well as the way the Royals go at each other which was illustrated by Garp.
Might have to go back and check, but I think the prisoners went through some kind of gauntlet where only the strongest made it out. Teach told them to kill each other if they wanted to get out. So, there's guys outside of those who became BB Pirates possibly going back to what they used to do or joining up with others for something new.
It kind of bothers me that it is said that each of those guys are a danger to a country as a measurement for concern, but they only care about countries that pay that tribute. You don't care for every country the same, but stand on this whole justice garbage.
As I said, it's a lot
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Meh, what do they matter.
There's gonna be a second massive prison break anyways.No way Bon-Chan and Doula Mongo stay there for when WWI happens.
Robby´s argument is logical, if Oda really is speeding up things to end, he might gloss over some things, but he also introduced a guy we never heard of even once before and was able to tame the likes of Big Mom, Kaidou and WB under his banner, so you never know what kind of monsters there were in level 6, or whether Oda plans to make them relevant.
Bon-Chan can easily be shown in an epilogue setting, and DD can but does not need to be a factor.Also, one might question the reason behind claiming there are additional level 6 prisoners missing, he could have just as easily say the ones who joined BB Pirates were the only 4, which would also underline even more their status as monsters.
And unlike the Underworld system, you can´t really call it world-building since it does nothing in that regard.
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Robby´s argument is logical, if Oda really is speeding up things to end, he might gloss over some things, but he also introduced a guy we never heard of even once before and was able to tame the likes of Big Mom, Kaidou and WB under his banner, so you never know what kind of monsters there were in level 6, or whether Oda plans to make them relevant.
Bon-Chan can easily be shown in an epilogue setting, and DD can but does not need to be a factor.Also, one might question the reason behind claiming there are additional level 6 prisoners missing, he could have just as easily say the ones who joined BB Pirates were the only 4, which would also underline even more their status as monsters.
And unlike the Underworld system, you can´t really call it world-building since it does nothing in that regard.
So it comes down to, will Oda cut it or not.His argument is implying that we won't get anymore significant time to address it. It's been sprinkled through every arc since Punk Hazard tho.
- The brokers watching in PH and 1 of them saying that the Underworld will not be pleased by this
- the takedown of Doffy messing with business in so many countries, even Buggy's service was crippled by Luffy's new son leaving
- Zou suffering from it's weapon
- Dragon saying there's a mastermind behind the Liquor Iron ore
- WCI arc had a few of the Emperors show up and it was said that to not show up was a big deal, Germa were providers that BM found valuable enough to think it drew her closer to her goal
- slave auction from pre-timeskip and Franky purchased Adam wood through the Underworld
- Kaido needs a new broker and sent Jack out to find 1, the effects of 1 of the products on the people and Kaido's forces
- We saw how Morgans can defy the WG and how his narrative can affect the world
Yet, this will slow down somehow because we saw some of Roger's journey. It doesn't add up. It's not just on 1 front. It's etched in so many levels of the story
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Or, just having an underworld as a background element facilitates the story point of "how do the badguys get their stuff?" Just because you know there's a mob doesn't mean the story has to include taking the mob down.
Yet, this will slow down somehow because we saw some of Roger's journey. It doesn't add up
You are completely missing the point. Oda doing Roger's flashback fast doesn't mean "he's going to skip other story elements because of Roger." But how he's handled it, the number of endgame details he's putting into play sooner than expected, (rather than doing this same flashback right before the crew gets to Raftel), the specific hooks in play that indicate we'll get to Luffy finding out these things sooner than later, combined with his earlier announcement, and other recent chapters like finally revealing all the Emporer bounties so we now know what the final benchmark is that Luffy has to pass, the existence of Im, even Luffy becoming an Emperor BEFORE fighting Kaidou, Shanks basically promising he'll meet up with Luffy after this arc is over, all show Oda IS eyeing that endgame now and starting to push harder towards it.
I expect we've probably still got a year or so of battles left to do in Wano, and then after that we have Elbaf (and the conclusion of all the lingering Big Mom threads) , Raftel, the final war and Blackbeard, epilogue, and whatever else Oda deems mega important, like the revolutionaries, Shanks, Vegapunk, Im… and presumably at least one surprise location we haven't heard about because knowing the path of the entire new world a decade in advance in "boring". . That's still a LOT to do and not a lot of time to do it in if Oda really seriously thinks he can manage it in five years to the point he's stated it twice. In the wake of still needing to address all those big things, some smaller stuff IS going to go by the wayside.
Just look at how the Reverie was handled. We got the setup, none of the actual meat of it, and are just hearing about the aftermath second hand. That was something that could have been six months of material on its own probably, that was completely skipped over in order to keep the story moving and the focus on Luffy.
Even if its impossible for Oda to hit his five year goal, and it instead goes for 8 and the 30th anniversary instead, thats what he's gunning for now and that's the lens we have to also view the series through from here on out which absolutely changes expectations and theories. "How important is something to the entire story reaching a satisfying conclusion" has more weight than it used to and some old expectations and hopes need to be brushed aside.
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I thought they said on the 20th anniversary that they were already planning for the 30th anniversary, did something change since then?
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The Reverie was a narrative where we got a version of the in between arcs that showcase the around the world going ons. I said it before and after the Reverie happened. We wouldn't get everything. Very similar to not seeing the end of WB/Shanks meeting, Ace vs Teach, but we got this more laid out and the end result trickle into the rest of the story. Oda took what he usually sprinkled in between arcs and made a whole event out of it. It ended the same way where we don't see the end clearly.
As far as Oda's goals go. This is the same person that told his wife that OP would be done by 2014, so do we have to go over how these goals work again?
Making WCI arc 70+ chapters is a real push. That guy is doing what he wants, but saying things to keep his audience patient. He even showed some of Roger's journey and it has served it's purpose for readers to think the end is here. So, if he does go longer than expected, at least the impatient felt it wasn't that long.
WWhat you're saying is possibly a Saga and some change to go. Luffy is struggling to beat Kaido. Yet, right after this, it's Teach and whatever Im is