Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 7 - Wano)
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Of course, you could say Monster Trio is a fanmade term, because the non-fanmade term is kaibutsu sanningumi and everything else are just translations.
Glad someone did the heavy lifting by finding the "debunk"
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Sanji and Zoro's ceilings far exceed Jinbe who has already peaked. If there isn't a clear trio yet,we will by the end of the series
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Sanji and Zoro's ceilings far exceed Jinbe who has already peaked. If there isn't a clear trio yet,we will by the end of the series
People will compare him to the likes as Brook and Urouge.
Even one was stuck for decades and Urouge is a rookie even in his age.
Jinbe is a veteran for years now as well but people think he will have same growth level because nakama power
I say otherwise like you but we should rest the debate and simply what will happen.
I say the same as with Franky and Robin… Not meaning that he will be weak.
But until EL especially during Water 7 was said to become member of a new monster trio
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Sanji and Zoro's ceilings far exceed Jinbe who has already peaked. If there isn't a clear trio yet,we will by the end of the series
Unless Jinbe completely stagnates, which is completely unfounded, and Sanji can beat Admirals and Yonkou at the end, yep there is no trio
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Unless Jinbe completely stagnates, which is completely unfounded, and Sanji can beat Admirals and Yonkou at the end, yep there is no trio
Even if he doesn't stagnates and will have some growth it won't be at the level no matter if Sanji or Zoro will beat an admiral or something.
Of course not if you see Jinbe faaaar above this two right now
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Even if he doesn't stagnates and will have some growth it won't be at the level no matter if Sanji or Zoro will beat an admiral or something.
Of course not if you see Jinbe faaaar above this two right now
Which would be irrelevant since Jinbe´s starting point is also higher, not as far as you stated, but still.
Sanji and Zoro are fainting against significantly lower guys while Jinbe, after the hell of Impel Down, went on to block Admiral attacks without major injuries.
And WCI only substantiated that further.
So yeah, obviously both Sanji and Zoro will end up further in the end, but they are starting from behind. -
Which would be irrelevant since Jinbe´s starting point is also higher, not as far as you stated, but still.
Sanji and Zoro are fainting against significantly lower guys while Jinbe, after the hell of Impel Down, went on to block Admiral attacks without major injuries.
And WCI only substantiated that further.
So yeah, obviously both Sanji and Zoro will end up further in the end, but they are starting from behind.Well OK seems we disagree that they are that much behind especially Zoro
But I'm done and will simply wait and laugh at the end like after Franky
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Talking about who will be stronger and by how much isn't even important - it's the fact that even a "plateaued" Jinbe (a completely baseless assumption, but let's roll with it) is/was already part of the Three Great Powers of the world.
He's considered a monster even by other monsters, and he proved that he earned his title through various feats in recent chapters. He's not a Moriah who got weaker over the years, or a comic relief Buggy.So like Kira noted, I can't picture a scenario where outsiders won't call out Jinbe as one of the top fighters of the Straw Hats. Or that the "weakling trio" won't note how Jinbe is one of their strongest. Because both happened already.
The only way to prevent that from happening might be a lost limb or if Big Mom turned his lifeforce into a Sushi Homie or something.
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I think the difference between jimbe and sanji/zolo is potential, even if jimbe is stronger in present. Like how shanks, buggy, marco kaidou, wb started low in other crews but became yonkous/best pirates. Jimbe is great but he is at most warlord at 47. Sanji and zoro are 21 and they just started and already are close to jimbe in Bounty and just got in the NW 1 month ago.
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Talking about who will be stronger and by how much isn't even important - it's the fact that even a "plateaued" Jinbe (a completely baseless assumption, but let's roll with it) is/was already part of the Three Great Powers of the world.
He's considered a monster even by other monsters, and he proved that he earned his title through various feats in recent chapters. He's not a Moriah who got weaker over the years, or a comic relief Buggy.So like Kira noted, I can't picture a scenario where outsiders won't call out Jinbe as one of the top fighters of the Straw Hats. Or that the "weakling trio" won't note how Jinbe is one of their strongest. Because both happened already.
The only way to prevent that from happening might be a lost limb or if Big Mom turned his lifeforce into a Sushi Homie or something.
He can be just like the great figures of the enraged army. Or how the ones Franky was fighting in Doffly's crew were quite big deal at the colliseum. A monster that isnt among the top monsters of the crew.
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I don't think being strongest is necessary for being vice captain or quartermaster.
I do not think so neither. Especially the latter because strength has nothing to do with what a quartermaster does.
But I don't often use those terms or titles for the Straw Hats because of the perceived authority it gives over others.
I mean Sanji is the Cook and Nami is the navigator/quartermaster. There is nothing wrong with them having titles representing their roles in the ship.
Still Nami is darn near the Vice Captain or Quartermaster just by the way she carries herself and gives orders on the ship. I suppose when I think of Luffy's right and left arms I refer to Zoro and Sanji because of their over all abilities to deal with outside threats. That includes their physical strengths and smarts.
Now when I say the right or left hand mate of Straw Hat Luffy I don't view that as being in an inherently superior position to any other Straw Hat. Superior in the sense that they have absolute authority to boss the others around. Nami is smarter than Luffy, Zoro and Sanji combined and she's the one that makes them work around the house. I mean to me she already is the Vice Captain just from how she generally takes charge.
When Luffy separated the crew he put Sanji and Zoro at the head of each group because of their general ability and proven record to handle higher level threats. In that regard thats in part why I consider them the right and left hands of Luffy. That includes Jimbei as well.
And I hardly look down on any Straw Hat, especially not Nami when it comes to strength. Her abilities are becoming more and more hax every arc and I consider her on her way to be one of the most powerful people in the world. Of course this is the type of story where a punch, sword swing or kick will generally be more affective than creative manipulation of nature itself. Still that's not entirely true when she put on a nice showing against one of the 4 strongest people on the planet when typical punches, kicks and sword swings did nothing.
Jabra said it best in terms of responsibility for the crew.
I don't view Zoro and Sanji's constant bickering and competing as a means to see who is vice captain. They are simply two children who can only show their love by picking on each other.
They are not literally, but like children trying to prove whom is the "big" brother.
And I see the cover of the first volume but I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Those 3 were the only Straw Hats introduced in those early chapters.
When I think about right/left hand. The right hand is usually the one that has been with the leader the longest. No matter their role. Left manages.
Rayleigh is a veteran and he would whoop even Luffy's ass. Age is not a factor, it is ambition and aspirations. Jimbe just got his dream job and as long as he wants to, he has the discipline to grow stronger. If Oda decides he is strong enough as he is now, that would be surprising to say the least. But going into the final fight I forsee ALL the Straw Hats going a step further in terms of growth.
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In terms of a new crew member, I think some interesting races to add would be either the 3 three eyed tribe or King's winged one. They seem like easy picks to keep connecting stuff with the Void Century as we get closer to Raftel.
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The future is now…
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Is that photoshop?
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Apprentice position starting to look plausible to me.
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Carrot as of now is 4 votes away from being in the lead 3 to tie
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Carrot as of now is 4 votes away from being in the lead 3 to tie
Oh yeah… Cool.
I bet Oda will let join now after seeing it
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Oh yeah… Cool.
I bet Oda will let join now after seeing it
I wasn't saying she was gonna join, just surprised by how close it is
Not that it really matters
Oda doesn't decide these things based off random forum polls on the internet, if he did One Piece would be a completely different series than it is, and one I personally wouldn't care to read
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He can be just like the great figures of the enraged army. Or how the ones Franky was fighting in Doffly's crew were quite big deal at the colliseum. A monster that isnt among the top monsters of the crew.
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You should look at the messenger, not only the message.
Sanji literally oneshot one od them, so did Jinbe.
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Apprentice position starting to look plausible to me.
It stil is not though
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You should look at the messenger, not only the message.
Sanji literally oneshot one od them, so did Jinbe.
They were just prominent members, not monsters.The incredebly respected Germa. If they consider them monsters I would guess regular people do to.
Or they would all be considered monsters.
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The incredebly respected Germa. If they consider them monsters I would guess regular people do to.
Or they would all be considered monsters.
My point was people have considered people as monsters beyong the strongest members of a crew so Jimbei could not be part of the monster trio or sweet commanders or three calamities and still be considered a monster of the crew.The incredible Yonji that was also oneshot by Sanji.
By that metric every Strawhat bar Usopp is a monster.
Its literally about people being of relatively same strength, so they can be lumped together.
Monster trio is just one way to express that concept.
So you would need to justify how Sanji will suddenly grow so much that the gap between him and Jinbe would be larger than that between him and Luffy, otherwise the entire concept is meaningless
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Is that photoshop?
No, its from the new music video collab with Arashi.
Oda also drew this.
It's pretty clear Oda's about ready to have Jinbo officially officially join the crew.
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No, its from the new music video collab with Arashi.
Oda also drew this.
[qimg]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMcbkwAU8AADX9a?format=jpg&name=medium[/qimg]
It's pretty clear Oda's about ready to have Jinbo officially officially join the crew.
And look at that no Carrot in sight :ninja:
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End of Wano.
In a move towards future, Hiyori is chosen as the next Shogun (which would actually be fair, given she actually lived the 20 years of agony under Orochi/Kaido clutches as all of Wano unlike Momonosuke who just skipped all of it).
After being pestered to no end by them, Luffy decides to take Momonosuke and Tama as apprentices.
After Sunny has left. Franky: "Luffy, we found a stowaway". Luffy: "You again?". Carrot: "hehe…"There. Everybody is happy.
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End of Wano.
In a move towards future, Hiyori is chosen as the next Shogun (which would actually be fair, given she actually lived the 20 years of agony under Orochi/Kaido clutches as all of Wano unlike Momonosuke who just skipped all of it).
After being pestered to no end by them, Luffy decides to take Momonosuke and Tama as apprentices.
After Sunny has left. Franky: "Luffy, we found a stowaway". Luffy: "You again?". Carrot: "hehe…"There. Everybody is happy.
Do not forget Perona showing up after Moriah died and chose to join because she wants to face BB.
AGOG prophecy would become real at the end.
Ok top on that do not forget any female, Bellamy, Smoker and Co
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End of Wano.
In a move towards future, Hiyori is chosen as the next Shogun (which would actually be fair, given she actually lived the 20 years of agony under Orochi/Kaido clutches as all of Wano unlike Momonosuke who just skipped all of it).
After being pestered to no end by them, Luffy decides to take Momonosuke and Tama as apprentices.
After Sunny has left. Franky: "Luffy, we found a stowaway". Luffy: "You again?". Carrot: "hehe…"There. Everybody is happy.
Following Neko and Inu's example I see. That silly Pedro got it all wrong. It's free spirits that always triumph in this series, not people that do as they're told.
"Just one more island, I want to see giants."
But she just keeps tagging along over and over but never actually joining.
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Actually, I started that as a joke, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if Carrot actually tags along again for Elbaf, at least if the Big Mom stuff is gonna be concluded there. Specially if it's gonna include Pedro resurrections or homie reincarnations or whatever.
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WG kills all revolutionaries except sabo. Luffy rescues sabo from wg and he joins the crew as his right hand. Boa joins too because marines killed all her crew/island and luffy rescues her from wg. While zoro and sanji cry in a corner because they are not part of M3 anymore.
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WG kills all revolutionaries except sabo. Luffy rescues sabo from wg and he joins the crew as his right hand. Boa joins too because marines killed all her crew/island and luffy rescues her from wg.
No. Just no lol.
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Idk why but I've always wanted a female earth bending character, like Toph or Terra on the crew, maybe with a rivalry with Nami because sky vs earth
I admit it's dumb but I would still love to see it
Alas Pica probably destroyed any last chance of that happening (which was close to none anyways)
Maybe Rocks has rock powers though :ninja:
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Hmmm speaking of unique elements like earth, if there is someone else after Jimbei what type of powers/fighting style do you think Oda might go with? Obviously there is no way to be specific but maybe looking at whats there might show whats lacking. Though in a such a diverse group of 10, it really doesn't look like we are missing anything.
We've got brawlers, mages and long range specialists, etc and they all overlap in many ways.
I wonder how Oda feels about a Logia as a permanent cast member at this point? What elements or properties could they control that won't over lap too much with the current cast?
I want see a giant axe or hammer user. Maybe a woman who wants to the the greatest hammerer that ever lived.
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A logia would ruin the underlying hard work theme of the Straw Hats, as each member either has no ability at all or abilities that are somewhat garbage or total garbage without years of training and creativity.
Even someone like Monet would have broken that pattern, who is weaker than half of the crew but still a considerable force just because of her logia power.Unless someone can come up with a really stupid/bad logia power, even worse than Caribou's. Which is super difficult if it also has to follow the pattern of the other fruits (natural hazards only).
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How about a pirate with a gold logia who can turn himself into a pile of coins? Whacky af! I guess that was the thing Joy Boy did but then he turned into a corpse…
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I don't think the DF ability makes the character or that the crew needs another character with a DF ability. As long as they have a dope dream and backstory, I trust Oda can make a believable skill set for that character.
Also, as we seen with Croc and Enel, having a Logia doesn't make you unstoppable. If Aokiji or Akainu had the Goro Goro or Suna Suna, they would make a difference. It's the character that makes the DF, not the DF that makes the character. A character can have a Logia ability and grow to become formidable in the story where they aren't just easily destroying their opponent. I understand that most Logia users come off as having some sort of cheat code, but we all have come to see that's not the case.
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Agreed, Pekoms one shotting Caribou and what he said after pretty much confirmed that Logia’s aren’t what they used to be
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The devil fruit doesn't give the character a cheat code but there is something to be said about abilities that are just inherently dangerous. Lava, fire, electricity, weapons, bombs(if it were another series) are the obvious ones of course. These things don't fit whats been established by the crew so far. Even the coolest most straight forward fighters in the crew have a bit of oddity in regards to their combat. That or at the very least it took a long time to cultivate such combative ability.
Sabo certainly has to work with his new fruit and train it but magical instantaneous Flame Throwers and Fire Blasts certainly don't fit the Straw Hat precedent.
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Agreed, Pekoms one shotting Caribou and what he said after pretty much confirmed that Logia’s aren’t what they used to be
Romance already said it, certain abilities are just straight powerups no matter how good the user is at controlling them. This isn't what the Straw Hats are about though, they don't take shortcuts. They enjoy certain privileges (mostly famous teachers), but never to the point that others do their work for them. Everything is earned, even when it comes to wielding extraordinary weapons (Zoro's swords kill their owner, only Nami can make use of the clima tact through years of studying weather, Usopp's gadgets revolve around his sniping skills etc.)
Now feed Caribou's Logia to Nami or Usopp and their fighting capabilities would skyrocket, maybe with a bit of getting used to the fruit first.
No, they wouldn't be total monsters because just like you said, the New World is filled with Haki users. But they would still gain an intangible body that protects them from A LOT of enemies. It would be a powerboost that they didn't work for, no matter how you look at it.That's why I don't believe that any Straw Hat, old or new, will ever eat one of the Devil Fruits that Blackbeard would want. Because they are polar opposites: hard work vs. cheap powerups.
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Romance already said it, certain abilities are just straight powerups no matter how good the user is at controlling them. This isn't what the Straw Hats are about though, they don't take shortcuts. They enjoy certain privileges (mosty famous trainers), but never to the point that others do their work for them. Everything is earned, even when it comes to wielding extraordinary weapons (Zoro's swords kill their owner, only Nami can make use of the clima tact through years of studying weather, Usopp's gadgets revolve around his sniping skills etc.)
Now feed Caribou's Logia to Nami or Usopp and their fighting capabilities would skyrocket, maybe with a bit of getting used to the fruit first.
No, they wouldn't be total monsters because just like you said, the New World is filled with Haki users. But they would still gain an intangible body that protects them from A LOT of enemies. It would be a powerboost that they didn't work for, no matter how you look at it.That's why I don't belive that any Straw Hat, old or new, will ever eat one of the Devil Fruits that Blackbeard would want. Because they are polar opposites: hard work vs. cheap powerups.
I definitely wasn't implying that an old straw hat would get a DF, I don't think Oda would do that
I'm definitely not a 100% against a new crewmember having a logia, if he or she has it already by the time we meet them, but I'd say the odds are pretty damn low at this point, I mean how many more elements are left? but I disagree that Logia's are automatically cheap, like Croc says it takes years of training to master a DF, it definitely requires hard work, especially in the new world where people can still easily hurt you
but you do make a good point when there in group battles with lots of low tier enemies it would make it hard for Oda to really make the scene seem dangerous to that one crew member
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A logia would ruin the underlying hard work theme of the Straw Hats, as each member either has no ability at all or abilities that are somewhat garbage or total garbage without years of training and creativity.
Even someone like Monet would have broken that pattern, who is weaker than half of the crew but still a considerable force just because of her logia power.Unless someone can come up with a really stupid/bad logia power, even worse than Caribou's. Which is super difficult if it also has to follow the pattern of the other fruits (natural hazards only).
I never thought Robin had a garbage fruit quite the opposite and Franky was a cyborg.
Also you can easily make it a thing where it was a cocky logia that got destroyed once in the new world and is walking on that new found weakness.
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Hmmm speaking of unique elements like earth, if there is someone else after Jimbei what type of powers/fighting style do you think Oda might go with? Obviously there is no way to be specific but maybe looking at whats there might show whats lacking. Though in a such a diverse group of 10, it really doesn't look like we are missing anything.
We've got brawlers, mages and long range specialists, etc and they all overlap in many ways.
I wonder how Oda feels about a Logia as a permanent cast member at this point? What elements or properties could they control that won't over lap too much with the current cast?
I want see a giant axe or hammer user. Maybe a woman who wants to the the greatest hammerer that ever lived.
Luffy - mid ranger brawler
Zoro - melee dps
Nami - long range dps, squishy wizard type + stealthy thief side skill; lightning specialist
Usopp - long range dps; plant specialist
Sanji - melee dps/tank, now with double jump, and invisibility; vaguely fire specialist
Chopper - heals, morph brawler
Robin - support specialist with insta-kill moves
Franky - tank in its most literal sense
Brook - melee dps with support abilities; ice specialist
Jinbe - melee/tank; water specialistWe could use someone who can provide some sort of support since we got enough fighters. Aerial specialist also would be welcome but not necessary. Could go for pocket dimension route too. Earth would be good if Usopp doesn't count. That muddy boi Caribou fits this let him in.
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I never thought Robin had a garbage fruit quite the opposite and Franky was a cyborg.
Also you can easily make it a thing where it was a cocky logia that got destroyed once in the new world and is walking on that new found weakness.
Robin is the only one where I didn't think of immediate draw backs or lameness to her fruit.
Franky is a cyborg sure but wasn't born that way. He only got that way through a lot of learned scientific and engineering skill.
Luffy - mid ranger brawler
Zoro - melee dps
Nami - long range dps, squishy wizard type + stealthy thief side skill; lightning specialist
Usopp - long range dps; plant specialist
Sanji - melee dps/tank, now with double jump, and invisibility; vaguely fire specialist
Chopper - heals, morph brawler
Robin - support specialist with insta-kill moves
Franky - tank in its most literal sense
Brook - melee dps with support abilities; ice specialist
Jinbe - melee/tank; water specialistI tried making a list just like this but gave up two straw hats in lol.
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The hard work argument has lost its meaning when Sanji got a horrendous power-up to justify him keeping up in the New World, probably after Oda realized how lacking the dude came out of the timeskip compared to the development of the other Strawhats.
And Franky´s powerup, probably in Vegapunk´s lab, will also not be "earned", he simply has to build it into himself and is good to go.
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The hard work argument has lost its meaning when Sanji got a horrendous power-up to justify him keeping up in the New World, probably after Oda realized how lacking the dude came out of the timeskip compared to the development of the other Strawhats.
And Franky´s powerup, probably in Vegapunk´s lab, will also not be "earned", he simply has to build it into himself and is good to go.
Franky's strength will always come from science and technology. Just because he doesn't physically train himself to become stronger doesn't mean he doesn't "earn" his strength. By that logic Luffy doesn't earn the strength of his gears because they come from his devil fruit ability.
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Franky's strength will always come from science and technology. Just because he doesn't physically train himself to become stronger doesn't mean he doesn't "earn" his strength. By that logic Luffy doesn't earn the strength of his gears because they come from his devil fruit ability.
Not even remotely the same. DFs provide a certain condition that needs to be further trained and applied in battle to master it, and Oda illustrates that with Luffy perfectly. He is very talented in developing his DF, but he needed to train over and over to master every technique, from Pistol, Bazooka, to the gears that had huge drawbacks pre-TS and so forth.
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Not even remotely the same. DFs provide a certain condition that needs to be further trained and applied in battle to master it, and Oda illustrates that with Luffy perfectly. He is very talented in developing his DF, but he needed to train over and over to master every technique, from Pistol, Bazooka, to the gears that had huge drawbacks pre-TS and so forth.
Franky simply needs to built something into himself and it is perfect from the get-go, minus maybe trying to get used and aim his weapons, that´s all.It is the same because the powers I used as an example are only available to Luffy thanks to a source that doesn't come from him. Just like Franky's tech, Luffy gained a massive powerup from an "outside" source. To go even further, Franky had to create the technology he used himself. He had to train himself to be able to use it the same as someone training a devil fruit ability.
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The hard work argument has lost its meaning when Sanji got a horrendous power-up to justify him keeping up in the New World, probably after Oda realized how lacking the dude came out of the timeskip compared to the development of the other Strawhats.
And Franky´s powerup, probably in Vegapunk´s lab, will also not be "earned", he simply has to build it into himself and is good to go.
is same for nami, or zoro, or luffy. their hard work has lost it's meaning because nami got a yonkou soul weapon, zoro got the sword that is only one known to hurt kaidou.
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Most of those have an inherent power but are of little use without the skill of the user. A marine grunt given the rubber fruit, a vegapunk weapon or the raid suit would still be cannon fodder because he has no means to properly apply the powers