My DB anime-experience is limited to battle of gods and teamfourstar, but from an outside perspective, GT at the very least looked interesting to me. A return to Great apes and a SSJ form evoking them, an avenger of a Sayan onslaught as a villain, the Black Star Dragonballs all seem like good ideas to me. Hell, the end it wrote for Piccolo sounds kinda bittersweet. Of course execution is everything, but the fact that so many of these things have stuck around in videogames and whatever must've meant that someone liked it.
Dragonball Discussion Kai: Broly but this time it's not Broly
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I still would love the propper utilization of the dragon balls acting out and being the source of trouble.
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@Daz:
but the fact that so many of these things have stuck around in videogames and whatever must've meant that someone liked it.
Not really. More that the games could use whatever padding they could get, and for a long time that was the end of the series so its what they had to draw from. Otherwise the games end up having Frieza, Cell and Buu as enemies, a couple minions, and then nothing else. The new forms and enemies in Super have pretty much phased them out to complete non-priority, aside from SUper 4, and even that's a late choice now after Super 1, 2, 3, Blue, Ultra Instinct, Kid Goku, classic Goku, Vegetto, Gogeta, Bardock, and two forms of Broly have have all already been used…
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Dragon Ball Z is over Party.
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Dragon Ball Z is over Party.
To be fair DBZ ended in 1996.
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This worked when they did it with James Gunn…....for all of about 7 months or so.
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This worked when they did it with James Gunn…....for all of about 7 months or so.
Were these recordings recent recent or no? Otherwise completely different situations
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Were these recordings recent recent or no? Otherwise completely different situations
Yeah I suppose there's nothing to gleam from the IStandWithVic/VicKicksBack tags that I've seen in tweets relating to this development nor some people actually arguing that Funimation should lose DragonBall because they're ruining it (if this were early 2000's I'd agree).
The timeline doesn't matter this is bullshit either way.
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This worked when they did it with James Gunn…....for all of about 7 months or so.
Disney and Toei are very different companies so I wouldn't expect a similar outcome.
Toei probably wouldn't care if the voice actors were caught making dirty jokes at a con years ago, but they definitely care about clear misuse of their IP by Funimation employees using Funimation equipment at the office.
Their decision to not delete the audio clips for years really just makes things worse, because it appears they kept a major liability around just waiting to be misused by a disgruntled employee because they all agreed it was funny.
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Disney and Toei are very different companies so I wouldn't expect a similar outcome.
Wasn't implying that there would be it's just the absurdly similar tit for tat stupidity involved.
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Yeah I suppose there's nothing to gleam from the IStandWithVic/VicKicksBack tags that I've seen in tweets relating to this development nor some people actually arguing that Funimation should lose DragonBall because they're ruining it (if this were early 2000's I'd agree).
The timeline doesn't matter this is bullshit either way.
A decade ago was definitely different from today. Its not an excuse and they shouldn't be crucified over this. I mean…you sound like its a conspiracy that their shitty talk is being leaked and called out. James Gunn, ya, he was def being singled out for being an outspoken anti-trumper. Doesnt mean every instance similar to that has some political motive. They should just put out a sincere aplogoly yada yada they were in the wrong.
Also...timeline defintely matters bc people change and grow. If this were 10 years ago,then ya they fucked up and have grown and changed since then. If it were a week ago...
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A decade ago was definitely different from today. Its not an excuse and they shouldn't be crucified over this. I mean…you sound like its a conspiracy that their shitty talk is being leaked and called out. James Gunn, ya, he was def being singled out for being an outspoken anti-trumper. Doesnt mean every instance similar to that has some political motive. They should just put out a sincere aplogoly yada yada they were in the wrong.
Also...timeline defintely matters bc people change and grow. If this were 10 years ago,then ya they fucked up and have grown and changed since then. If it were a week ago...
The morality of the individual clips isn't going to affect the outcome of this situation because Toei doesn't really care what we think.
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Am I the only one who wishes that the guys who did Dragon Ball FighterZ (arc system works I think there called) Did the next big Jump Force game?
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Am I the only one who wishes that the guys who did Dragon Ball FighterZ (arc system works I think there called) Did the next big Jump Force game?
That would be very different but awesome!
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I mean…you sound like its a conspiracy that their shitty talk is being leaked and called out.
Except it is and they're not being called out for any other reason other then a few salty people trying to make this into a much bigger deal than it is because of another incident that this story has nothing to do with. I mean what other reason is there for this?
The morality of the individual clips isn't going to affect the outcome of this situation because Toei doesn't really care what we think.
Pretty much as long as they know Funi can keep helping them fill their coffers there's not much they're going to push to do.
Am I the only one who wishes that the guys who did Dragon Ball FighterZ (arc system works I think there called) Did the next big Jump Force game?
Honestly it would make more sense to make a whole new game rather than make a sequel.
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Except it is and they're not being called out for any other reason other then a few salty people trying to make this into a much bigger deal than it is because of another incident that this story has nothing to do with. I mean what other reason is there for this?
I agree that there's clearly an ulterior motive behind the release of these clips, but let's try to avoid talking about Vic because it'll inevitably devolve into another back and forth between two sides who hate each other.
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Honestly it would make more sense to make a whole new game rather than make a sequel.
I didn't really mean it as a direct sequel to Jump Forces
I meant that arc system works could do a crossover with all the different shonen jump manga series like Jump forces/J-Star victory vs/Jump ultimate stars/jump super stars. But make it like there games like Dragon Ball fighterZ/Guilty Gear/ Blaz Blue
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Not really. More that the games could use whatever padding they could get, and for a long time that was the end of the series so its what they had to draw from. Otherwise the games end up having Frieza, Cell and Buu as enemies, a couple minions, and then nothing else. The new forms and enemies in Super have pretty much phased them out to complete non-priority, aside from SUper 4, and even that's a late choice now after Super 1, 2, 3, Blue, Ultra Instinct, Kid Goku, classic Goku, Vegetto, Gogeta, Bardock, and two forms of Broly have have all already been used…
With Super overriding GT continuity and being the current iteration of the franchise it'd make sense to phase out GT for the same reason it "makes sense" for the latest Marvel vs Capcom game to be extremely MCU centric. That doesn't mean the Dragonball GT iconography wasn't being kept alive for decades after the series ended; even if the characters were only added to the games as """padding""" it still only makes sense to spend time and resources adding them if they serve as an incentive to the players. If literally no one liked literally anything about GT there would be no value in adding GT characters in addition to Freezer and Cell, especially over alternatives such as the many movie villains.
Actually looking up the recent games, I'd say the phasing-out hasn't really happened, at least not until the very last game; Battle of Gods was in 2013. Dragon ball Fusion (2016) features Majuub, Super 17, Baby, Nuovo and Omega Shenron, and plenty of SSJ4 forms - including new ones for Gohan and Broly! Xenoverse 2 (2016) features GT Goku and Trunks, the Shenrons, Pan, Super 17 and DLC Baby, and has Whis and Beerus marvel at the awesomeness of SSJ4 in the story.
And even the most recent and DBS-focused game, Fighterz, has GT Goku as DLC, specifically expecting people to pay money for the privilege of playing as him.The fact that these things - especially SSJ4 - are being kept alive in a post Super world shows that they had an impact. They wouldn't still be here if they didn't sell.
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Sure… and SS4 GOku as DLC came after basic Goku, SUper Goku, Goku Black, Goku Blue, Vegitto, Gogeta, Bardock, Kid Goku. Not to mention three Vegeta's and two Broly's, and after all the cool looking movie villains. Its what they went to after they'd exhausted everything else.
And the fusion game was explicitly about doing wild crazy different versions of everything.
Yes, the fact that GT existed and left behind some visuals is part of the history, its always something they can sell, the same way Pokemon has Chimecho and Purugly. Sure its there in the history. but no one cared about that story. There was a reason that chunk never got any movies.
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Sure… and SS4 GOku as DLC came after basic Goku, SUper Goku, Goku Black, Goku Blue, Vegitto, Gogeta, Bardock, Kid Goku. Not to mention three Vegeta's and two Broly's, and after all the cool looking movie villains. Its what they went to after they'd exhausted everything else.
Sure. But it says something that a 2018 DBS - heavy game would even include someone from a discarded continuity. Like, Disney isn't exactly stoking the flames of old Star Wars extended universe, you know? At the end of the day, in the most recent Dragon Ball Fighter you can't play as Master Roshi, Tao Pai Pai, Demon King Piccolo, Raditz, Zarbon, Dodoria, any Friezer form but the last ones, Androids 19 and 20, any Cell form but the last one, Kaioshin, Dabura, Super Buu, Cabba, Frost, Caulifla or Kale…but you can play as GT Goku (please do break out a case by case list of caveats for why GT Gokus inclusion somehow trumps these characters while simultaneously being indicative of zero merit of GTs existence). Because the game developers judged that there was sufficient demand for the cahracter to justify including him.
@Robby:And the fusion game was explicitly about doing wild crazy different versions of everything.
…Yeah? And included the GT characters because - supposedly - people would find it enjoyable to mix and match with them? And that game also neglects any DB era character except for Demon King Piccolo... but does feature plenty of SSJ4 characters, Bulla, Pan, Super 17, Baby, and the evil Shenrons.
Besides that, it also bothers to include GT chararcters prominently in its story mode. Hell, beyond that, Dragon Ball Heroes (which is apparantly hugely popular in Japan) apparently did their own Shadow Dragon storyline, complete with tie in manga and everything, and Omega Shenron got to be the main antagonist of the final storyline/ ENTIRE GAME in Ultimate Tenkaichi (2011!) and Extreme Butoden (2015!!!) respectively. In the latter Beerus made him fight SSG Goku!Yes, the fact that GT existed and left behind some visuals is part of the history, its always something they can sell, the same way Pokemon has Chimecho and Purugly. Sure its there in the history. but no one cared about that story. There was a reason that chunk never got any movies.
Purugly doesn't get included in Pokken Tournament. Or is the focus of tonnes of merch, figurines, plushies etcetera. Or gets wheeled out with new forms routinely. Or gets to be the focus of major story lines or even entire games. Purugly gets reused because all Pokemon get reused, whereas GT is a two + decades old spinoff series which is no longer canon, and supposedly reviled…and still gets exposure because its iconography still sells. Because some people liked it. If it was truly some universally hated stain on the franchise, it wouldn't still be around.
And if Purugly plushies exist and can turn a profit, hell, it means someone likes that too.
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The company that made General Blue a pedophile because the source material insinuates that he's gay is DEFINITELY extremely upset that an American dubbing company is making uncouth jokes after work.
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@Daz:
in the most recent Dragon Ball Fighter you can't play as Master Roshi, Tao Pai Pai, Demon King Piccolo, Raditz, Zarbon, Dodoria, any Friezer form but the last ones, Androids 19 and 20, any Cell form but the last one, Kaioshin, Dabura, Super Buu, Cabba, Frost, Caulifla or Kale…but you can play as GT Goku (please do break out a case by case list of caveats for why GT Gokus inclusion somehow trumps these characters while simultaneously being indicative of zero merit of GTs existence). Because the game developers judged that there was sufficient demand for the cahracter to justify including him.
They don't have Raditz but they do have Nappa, Saibamen and three Vegetas. They don't have Zarbon and Dodoria but they do have the entire GInyu Force. THey don't have 19 and 20 but they do have 16, 17, 18, 21, and Cell. Those parts of the story are represented. Aside from visuals there's not much to suggest a new moveset for the early Frieza and Cell forms. And they do have 4th form Frieza, 100% Frieza, Gold Frieza, and Cooler. And the rest were all very relatively short term and just don't carry the same fanbase..
…Yeah? And included the GT characters because - supposedly - people would find it enjoyable to mix and match with them? And that game also neglects any DB era character except for Demon King Piccolo...
Because they clearly decided Goku is the most important and including more of him trumps lots of things. Thatls why there's like 7 of him and 3 Vegetas and 2 Broly's and 2.5 Gohans (Including Videl) before there's 1 of many other characters.
No one really cares about classic Dragonball either. More than they care about GT, but not much. Those characters are historically sidelined until game rosters start getting really high, then they start pulling from the original. Tenkaichi Budokai didn't start getting to some characters until their later games when the roster was 150 characters strong and they have to start going for deep cuts. Is how it is.
Probably because thats the "comedy" era, or maybe because the games are advertising with the Z on it they feel obligated to stick to that part of the story.
but does feature plenty of SSJ4 characters, Bulla, Pan, Super 17, Baby, and the evil Shenrons.
Besides that, it also bothers to include GT chararcters prominently in its story mode. Hell, beyond that, Dragon Ball Heroes (which is apparantly hugely popular in Japan) apparently did their own Shadow Dragon storyline, complete with tie in manga and everything, and Omega Shenron got to be the main antagonist of the final storyline/ ENTIRE GAME in Ultimate Tenkaichi (2011!) and Extreme Butoden (2015!!!) respectively. In the latter Beerus made him fight SSG Goku!There is a vast difference from liking the stuff from GT, twenty years removed, and liking GT itself. People like the ideas, or have some nostalgia for that thing they don't remember, but that's not the same thing as saying "I loved watching GT, its my favorite part of dragonball and the characters in those arcs are my favorite. That story was paced well and had a good balance of comedy, character, and action, and it entirely holds up to rewatching.""
Throwing in wild stuff into a wild mishmash of the entire history of the franchise, as Heroes does, reusing and reinventing old assets, as the new movie did for Broly, is different.
Yes, GT is part of the history. It exists. That stuff gets dragged back out.
whereas GT is a two + decades old spinoff series which is no longer canon, and supposedly reviled…and still gets exposure because its iconography still sells.
Well yeah. That's my entire point. The visuals. The ideas of it. People have mostly been exposed to those things at this point secondhand, through the merchandising, the actual experience with GT itself is long since removed.
Heck, I remember long before GT reached these shores but we'd still managed to see pictures of SUper 4, and we thought it was cool and that the dragons were goign be awesome villains,and logically we knew that was going to be the toughest strongest form, because we could count to 4, and we liked the idea of it. Without ever actually even seeing GT at all. We also thought Super 3 and Gotenks were cool without having any context but just from seeign them in random Japanese posters that were a decade ahead of us. Liking a design or an idea is a different beast from liking the execution of it..
Because some people liked it. If it was truly some universally hated stain on the franchise, it wouldn't still be around.
Its canonically the last part of the franchise with the "strongest" characters. On that basis alone it usually got put at the end of games and had the strongest bosses because… it was the end of the timeline. If it had been a filler saga like Garlic Jr. in the middle or the other universe tournament, instead of the end cap, as the final representation the series had, it would have been more easily overlooked and forgotten the last decades. Super 4 in paticular is a visually distinct look for the main characters, so it gets remembered for that. If that had instead been an alt form for say, Yajirobe, it'd get referenced but it'd be ignored just like Yajirobe himself usually is.
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For a rewatch I'd choose GT over the old Broly movies and the first part of the Boo saga anytime. Garlic jr. didn't do anything for me either. Broly was especially bad.
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I always liked GT more than Super.
It had much better animation and the writing in Super really isn't up to par with Dragonball and Dragonball Z anyway.The company that made General Blue a pedophile because the source material insinuates that he's gay is DEFINITELY extremely upset that an American dubbing company is making uncouth jokes after work.
I think it's more about cultural appropriation and xenophobia than the actual content of the jokes.
A foreigner dared to use their IP to make fun of the Japanese source material.Look at how they treat Team Four Star despite knowing that what they do is both legal and very valuable promotion of their brand.
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It had much better animation and the writing in Super really isn't up to par with Dragonball and Dragonball Z anyway.
I mean let's not pretend either series especially Z were top notch in that department.
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SS4 is a lot cooler and creative than SSB or Ultra Instinct which is just changing Goku's hair color.
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I liked Super Saiyan god because it was a back to basics slimmed down approach and the red and fire aura looked cool and felt a little more savage, and when lit properly it turned the blues in goku's outfit black and that was a strong look.. But then blue and instinct (and Vegeta's blue blue) just kept that going and it was really weaksauce as far as alternate forms went. At least back when SUper 2 was barely different than Super 1 there was nothing else to compare it to and it had the lightning effect and scarier spikier hair on Gohan.
Meanwhile Gohan getting back his mystic no-color-at-all is nice even if he does keep random flashing into SUper golds.
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@TLC:
which is just changing Goku's hair color.
When it comes down to it, all of the Super Saiyan forms are just that; SSG and SSGetc are more natural outcomes really than SS4.
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@TLC:
SS4 is a lot cooler and creative than SSB or Ultra Instinct which is just changing Goku's hair color.
You're just adding red (or maroon) fur to their torsos (which for some reason doesn't fully cover their pec muscles) and having their tails magically grow back while hair becomes grows out more but keeps the basic look.
Not much in the way of creativity.
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When it comes down to it, all of the Super Saiyan forms are just that; SSG and SSGetc are more natural outcomes really than SS4.
Well Super 4 harkens back to the great ape transformations.
I think if wasn't labelled as "4" it would make a lot more sense. Super Oozaru form or something instead.
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Ultra Instinct is my favorite form because of the idea behind it. All the others are just simple power ups.
Design-wise I'd give it to SSG and like Ultra Instinct, I think it has a interesting idea backing it (it is a power up Goku isn't happy with).
SSJ4 is distinct, but a distinct design isn't always automatically a good thing to me if I think it's ugly and I feel like SSJ4 is really overdesigned and unpleasant to look at. I like the idea behind it, too, but despite the Great Ape connection, it's ultimately also just a power up like all the others. Nothing interesting is done with it narratively.
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DBS Broly did SSJ4 the best. I really liked his bulked-up, golden eyed design with spiked hair while using Great Ape in base form, it's a shame he didn't have any other unique features when he combined it with SSJ/LSSJ. His lack of pupils only denoted his lack of control, we can see him regaining them when he realises that Gogeta's kamehameha would wreck him.
When it comes to Goku's forms I like SSJG and UI because he's slimmed down and has his base hair. It's a shame that UI got the silver hair at the end just to complete the SSJ rainbow spectrum. Blue on it's own is meh to me, it's only reedeming feature is that it looks cool with kaioken. Honestly, Blue shoudn't have been a thing. Kaioken with SSJG could have served the same purpose versus Hit.
Vegeta's Blue Evolution was just a way to make him equal to Goku's KK Blue while having a visual denoter for the audience. He could have just powered up with extra yellow lightning and have anyone state: " Wow, Vegeta has reached Goku's KK Blue! Can they beat Jiren by working together now?!".
Also, am I the only who feels that UI would have worked better as the final evolution of Gohan's Ultimate state? The purpose of Ultimate was to have access to full power without having to sustain a transformation, adding optimal movement would further the concept. The way it feels now is that Whis has been building up Vegeta and Goku towards UI while the two of them were just pushing their ki to higher limits.
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Can anyone please tell me what the hell Dragon Ball Xenoverse is?
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Can anyone please tell me what the hell Dragon Ball Xenoverse is?
A video game with a timetravel gimmick. From like five years ago.
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A video game with a timetravel gimmick. From like five years ago.
Is it a big thing? I see a bunch of videos on Youtube about it all the time
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Eh, its an alternate take on the well worn canon, that has a few cues from the post series semi-ifficial canon incorporated into it (like Buu eventually splitting himself up to make a Maijin race) but mostly its just a mediocre fighting game.
Take it about as seriously as you would FighterZ.
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All of Xenoverse I know is from TFS's Dumplin and Puddin playthrough.
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DBS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DBGT
DBS: Broly is the best DB movie of all time
Fight me on this
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DBS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DBGT
DBS: Broly is the best DB movie of all time
I mean most of the movies range from meh to decent so it's not like the bar was ever terribly high.
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I mean most of the movies range from meh to decent so it's not like the bar was ever terribly high.
Battle of Gods put that bar really high in DB whole franchising
In fact I still reference it to Broly
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I kind of loved this month's chapter.
Piccolo got a neat little action scene and had a nice moment of quick thinking (the goons that act as an alert for the Big Bad targeting the protagonist group usually tend to get away, but now Piccolo and the rest of the Earth group know they're being targeted).
The Yardrat Spirit manipulation idea is very neat. It's basically seems like Ki manipulation isn't just simple Ki blasts, but more involved stuff used through the body. All the techniques we see there are old ones (creating copies, giantification etc), but I can see a bunch of other uses of it besides those we saw here.
I'm still not entirely sure how either, but especially Ultra Instinct, could prevent Moro's energy absorption (I can see Spirit Manipulation being used to interfere with it), but both are good distinct ways for Goku and Vegeta to grow.
Now I definitely want an explanation for Merus' strength, though. The story leaning into the mystery around him makes him more interesting - there is the question of how exactly he knows about another Room of Spirit and Time and how exactly does he know about Ultra Instinct up in tthe air that makes you curious, but now it definitely has to be addressed properly.
There was a pretty much direct promise of Gohan, Krillin and Tien getting to do something there, too and I continue to welcome that stuff. Here all of them could actually get a proper fight because, again, the setup of the prisoners being released basically says they're probably of varying strength. In typical Dragon Ball fashion, they'll probably be defeated or be driven to the back leg by Moro by the end, but here the setup allows everyone to get an opponent they could struggle with because it's a pretty easy conclusion to reach that there were prisoners of different levels locked up.
Seeing another Room of Spirit and Time is neat in itself, really. Both designs of the Yardratians being used was neat, too. Manga's doing a very good job improving.
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The Yardrat stuff was neat, as was giving Piccolo some action. Yeah, those bandits are kind of weak, but it was still nice. Don't much care for Meerus, but at least he seems to bring a different "flair" to the fights, he seems genuinely skill based and not "punch-kick-kick-punch-ki blast" like, literally, EVERYONE else in the series. Kind of like what they initially tried to do with Zamasu but threw away almost immediately? That.
I hope we can see the whole gang get at least one foe they can individually beat before getting mercilessly thrashed by Moro, which sounds too much like a retread of Resurrection of Z, but well, at least that'd be something. Tien, Krillin and Gohan being namedropped is cool, but I gotta admit I'm a bit afraid new cool kids on the block, aka Freeza and 17, are gonna come in and steal everyone's thunder until Vegeta and Goku appear. Like, Moro will insta-thrash everyone EXCEPT them two, who will significantly stall him (hell, 17 has the perfect excuse: how can you steal his energy if he's an android?).
In short: I'm afraid that even after the manga version absurdly powered up Gohan during the tournament and made him bow to keep growing stronger, he's gonna go back to square "I haven't been training at all and I can't even maintain SS level 1 anymore" one. Please, Toyotaro, prove me wrong. And fuck Freeza.
EDIT: Just realized there's a lot of preemptive, potentially undeserved bitching in here. Bottom line: I liked the chapter, I'm liking the arc overall, I'm scared for what's coming next. There, better.
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EDIT: Just realized there's a lot of preemptive, potentially undeserved bitching in here. Bottom line: I liked the chapter, I'm liking the arc overall, I'm scared for what's coming next. There, better.
I think as long as you are not trying to say that this is a guarantee, but instead what you fear may happen, then airing your concerns is reasonable. To a couple of your concerns. I think they created two problems that had to be dealt with, but they did a bad job. First is that during the Buu Saga they really powered Gohan up too much. If memory servers what was originally said was that Gohan could still go Super Sayan while in his ultimate power up, but that he would have no need. In the end they made it so that Gohan seemingly no longer wants to go Super Sayan. Second is that they have given 17 a power up that gives him a similar issue. Given that he was just reintroduced, we do not know what they will do with him, but I am guess he will either have some manner of nerf, or he will be the trump card against Meerus, or he may be a battery to further power Meerus much like the Cell saga. Many possibilities.
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I think as long as you are not trying to say that this is a guarantee, but instead what you fear may happen, then airing your concerns is reasonable. To a couple of your concerns. I think they created two problems that had to be dealt with, but they did a bad job. First is that during the Buu Saga they really powered Gohan up too much. If memory servers what was originally said was that Gohan could still go Super Sayan while in his ultimate power up, but that he would have no need. In the end they made it so that Gohan seemingly no longer wants to go Super Sayan. Second is that they have given 17 a power up that gives him a similar issue. Given that he was just reintroduced, we do not know what they will do with him, but I am guess he will either have some manner of nerf, or he will be the trump card against Meerus, or he may be a battery to further power Meerus much like the Cell saga. Many possibilities.
I feel they never know what to do with Gohan. They went SO FAR with the "he doesn't train so now he can't even go SS1 and base form Freeza near-kills him in a single hit" that when he went from that to "as strong as fused Kefla without needing SS anymore (again)" after training for 48 HOURS…you can't just help but think "ok, so next time he appears, what it'll be? he hasn't trained for two weeks so he's weak again? he's been training (as he said he'd do from now on) so now he's even stronger? none of the above?". It's just so inconsistent. And I just happen to like him so everytime he gets ridiculed just so Goku/Vegeta/¿Freeza? can look better, it kinda sucks.
As for 17...yeah, as you say, they went too far with his power up, and he's clearly on Earth at the moment. The only excuse to leave him out is that he's not an altruist, and it's pretty clear right now his preference is going on a cruise with his family. Unless the planet is about to be 100% drained of his energy, I doubt he's gonna move a muscle. But if he does...then, yeah, he's an android, and almost as strong as a SSBlue. I'd be reaaaaally surprised if Toyotaro doesn't use him, specially considering he's become a massive fan favorite (or at least it seems that way). I'd be more or less ok with that, but Freeza has also become a wanted character, and I'm kinda tired of him suddenly becoming the de-facto "third in line". Plus he doesn't work as a reluctant ally. He just doesn't. But seeing as Moro is an intergalactic threat, I can see that as an excuse to make him reappear. "This is my universe, you asshole, I'm gonna kill you, and if that means teaming up with my nemesis(es) (again), then so be it!". But I seriously, seriously hope not.
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Someone has to lop off Frieza's tail again.
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I feel they never know what to do with Gohan. They went SO FAR with the "he doesn't train so now he can't even go SS1 and base form Freeza near-kills him in a single hit" that when he went from that to "as strong as fused Kefla without needing SS anymore (again)" after training for 48 HOURS…you can't just help but think "ok, so next time he appears, what it'll be? he hasn't trained for two weeks so he's weak again? he's been training (as he said he'd do from now on) so now he's even stronger? none of the above?". It's just so inconsistent. And I just happen to like him so everytime he gets ridiculed just so Goku/Vegeta/¿Freeza? can look better, it kinda sucks.
Gohan's the wild card. Just as he always has been.
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I'd like some more badass Females, super's doing pretty good with Caulifla and Kale and those magical girls but we still need a few more
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Since theoretically, 17 and 18 have the same potential being Androids, she should be able to be on par with where he is now. Not that she is, but seemingly she could be.
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Watching this DBS marathon on Toonami really hammers home just how relentlessly boring Jiren was especially alongside the other Pride Troopers.
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As I watched random episodes of the tournament here and there in it's run on toonami, it was kinda really hard to watch all the lower universes get eliminated after seeing them try so hard and put everything they possibly could into it and still fall short to Goku and co. Would've been nicer if more of the universes had taken each other out and it hadn't just been Goku and co every single time. Then it just comes down to Pride Troopers vs. Goku and co and I could finally start rooting for them again
Also, I don't think I'll ever get why Zeno isn't seen as the main villain here. Zeno is the one forcing them all to fight and the one erasing universes just cause he says they're not good enough anymore. What type of series makes a god-being like this and doesn't paint them as completely in the wrong and impossible to support? I would've thought the driving force for the series from here on would be to overcome the omni-king and get someone more reasonable in the position…or get him to change his way of thinking.