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Jinbei is too cool to be a pop. He's an uncle. Uncles are better Jinbei is team dad of the strawhats. At least to Luffy. Franky is the cool uncle.
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Jinbei is too cool to be a pop. He's an uncle. Uncles are better Jinbei is team dad of the strawhats. At least to Luffy. Franky is the cool uncle.
I wonder if Jinbe is worried about his sons forming the monster threesome
I wonder if Jinbe is worried about his sons forming the monster threesome
Boy do I wish I knew how to post images right about now. Because that Jinbei shocked face would be perfect.
This new thing about Carrot being a Calamity is another meme and adds nothing to the future nakama discussion, but some OP fans will still use it smh. I doubt she's really been away from Zou that much.
I don't see the Jinbei death flags being that strong.
Posing with Luffy does nothing for Raizo and Kiku. This prison escape seems close to over and it looks like I might close the door on it possibly having anything that matches nakama criteria.
Who doesn't know that trio is the synonym for threesome? Again, goalpost. When you can show me Monster Trio, i'll say that i'm wrong, just like when akagami said that saningumi meant trio. When I did my Googles, for trio it said a set or group of three people or things, not threesome. Semantics by the people trying to say someone else is using semantics. The hypocrisy in here
If they are synonyms they are interchangeable words.
So it seems you don't know they are synonyms.
What’s the argument anyway? “There’s no such thing as a Monster Trio because they’re actually a Monster Threesome”? Does it even matter? The three of them have an official group name because they’re specifically the strongest members, and there’s raw manga panels to prove it. Isn’t that the important thing here?
Had 2 other discussions where I acknowledge that trio, threesome, trinity, etc are the same thing, but I don't know that it's a synonym. Okay lol. Still, you lack the panel with "monster trio" (which is fan made). Translators can't even find Monster Trio in Viz or the raws. Maybe someone that cares enough could find it, so I can say i'm wrong. Nobody cares enough tho. They just want to move the goalpost and talk about things that make no sense
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@Malty:
What’s the argument anyway? “There’s no such thing as a Monster Trio because they’re actually a Monster Threesome”? Does it even matter? The three of them have an official group name because they’re specifically the strongest members, and there’s raw manga panels to prove it. Isn’t that the important thing here?
Panel please. Viz or raw
Now I'm really not sure what exactly this 'each SH lead a faction' means if it doesn't involve any actual commanding. If it's just the particular arrangement of the forces in whatever huge battle takes place, then sure, I can see that I guess.
But there's some of these I still disagree with. The Revolutionaries are just too big of a deal to be relegated to rank-and-file followers. Where do Dragon and Sabo fit into this?
Sanji I could see with Germa because it actually would mean a lot narratively for them to end up following their 'failure'. But what's even the Pudding faction? If some of the BMP decide to start following the Strawhats the obvious leader would be Katakuri.
From where are you getting that Chopper is considered the main savior? As far as I remember they considered all the SHs saviors, even the ones that weren't there for indirectly getting Jack away by defeating Doflamingo. You could make the argument that Chopper was the most vital because of his medical treatment, but I don't think the minks themselves ever said anything like that. Likewise, having an animal theme matters little unless they treat him like one of them, which they didn't. Or at least not anymore than everyone else. They think humans are just hairless monkey minks after all. It's not like Zou was the story of Chopper finally finding a place where people accept him like he is or anything like that. It could have been, but it wasn't. The minks didn't treat Chopper any differently than the rest of the crew.
But I could see this if Carrot becomes the leader/representative of whatever mink faction starts following the SHs (which honestly seems like the most obvious place for her character to go), because she does have a lot of respect for her Choniki. She could do a Bartolomeo and go around telling everyone about his wonderful feats.
The same thing the Grand Fleet going under Luffy and fighting for his sake means.
Dragon and Sabo will definitely get their individual fights that will keep them from the main forces against the World Government.
Those that would sympathize with Pudding or admire Sanji for saving them, something they have yet learn to know.
Because he is the doctor that literally went to each citizen and saved them. And Zou provided a place for Chopper, for the first time, that both accepts him as he is and where he does not stand out as a talking animal while already having his fan and admirers there, so it´s a place he can return to if the Strawhats should ever disband.
So they are the same thing, but they are not the same thing because of fan made reasons. Flawless logic.
Let me rephrase, you do not know how to use synonyms if your argument is that Monster Trio is not the same as Monster Threesome.
I was told Monster Trio was in the manga. I checked and it wasn't. Nami didn't say it in Alabasta. She said poor monster lol. Caribou didn't say Monster Trio and neither did Nami. Where does it come from? A fan. So it is? Fan made. No one wants to post a panel and we all know why. I only do Panel Talk
We all know why chopper would go back to zou, lol. Especially once he gets a little older.
Panels were already posted. You insist that it says threesome while also saying that it is and isn't the same as trio.
Where is the panel that was posted that says trio トリオ? There is none.
There is, it is just using the synonym threesome instead.
It says Monster Threesome tho. I took akagami's word for it at first, but the more I check, it says saningumi means threesome. Not only that, the Alabasta official translation that many referred to was "poor monster" as I posted from my volume b4. Trio is トリオ "Torio". My whole point was not only have I not heard "Monster Trio", i've never gotten it as a thing in the crew like how the "weakling group" has been said. I called it fan made because i've never seen the trio term used no where but among the fans. Are Sanji, Zoro and Luffy ridiculously strong, yes. Have they struggled with opponents that the others ended up beating? That is factual as well.
Monster is モンスター "Monsutaa" , but the raw uses kaibutsu instead, just as it uses sanningumi instead of "Torio". They're synonyms, that one word has one meaning doesn't mean there can not be another word with exactly that same meaning, specially when a language incorporates loanwords into its lexicon.
jisho.org gives trio as a valid translation of sanningumi, [https://jisho.org/search/sanningumi
T](https://jisho.org/search/sanningumi)hey get their translation data from JMnedict, as you can check in their about page https://jisho.org/about
I am sure you can find many other online dictionaries that translate it as trio, such as:
https://en.bab.la/dictionary/japanese-english/%E4%B8%89%E4%BA%BA%E7%B5%84 https://www.linguee.com/japanese-english/translation/%E4%B8%89%E4%BA%BA%E7%B5%84.html https://eudict.com/?lang=engjpk&word=trio, gang of three, threesome
Of course, you could say Monster Trio is a fanmade term, because the non-fanmade term is kaibutsu sanningumi and everything else are just translations.
If you want to be that strict and literal with your translations, Strawhat Luffy is also a fanmade term, it should be mugiwara no luffy, aka Straw Luffy, since mugiwara just means straw (strawhat is mugiwaraboushi)
Monster is モンスター "Monsutaa" , but the raw uses kaibutsu instead, just as it uses sanningumi instead of "Torio". They're synonyms, that one word has one meaning doesn't mean there can not be another word with exactly that same meaning, specially when a language incorporates loanwords into its lexicon.
jisho.org gives trio as a valid translation of sanningumi, [https://jisho.org/search/sanningumi
T](https://jisho.org/search/sanningumi)hey get their translation data from JMnedict, as you can check in their about page https://jisho.org/about
I am sure you can find many other online dictionaries that translate it as trio, such as:
https://en.bab.la/dictionary/japanese-english/%E4%B8%89%E4%BA%BA%E7%B5%84 https://www.linguee.com/japanese-english/translation/%E4%B8%89%E4%BA%BA%E7%B5%84.html https://eudict.com/?lang=engjpk&word=trio, gang of three, threesomeOf course, you could say Monster Trio is a fanmade term, because the non-fanmade term is kaibutsu sanningumi and everything else are just translations.
If you want to be that strict and literal with your translations, Strawhat Luffy is also a fanmade term, it should be mugiwara no luffy, aka Straw Luffy, since mugiwara just means straw (strawhat is mugiwaraboushi)
I trust you because I don't know Japanese, so i'll say i'm wrong. Thanks again Akagami.
I trust you because I don't know Japanese, so i'll say i'm wrong. Thanks again Akagami.
Finally…
Sad that Aohige isn't around anymore
Context is why translation and transliteration are two different things
Just look at the new Evangelion dub with uses a literal translation and keeps calling Shinji the "Third children" instead of "third child." Sure, that was the japanese and so that's technically correct as an "official term" , but it sounds super duper weird in English when you're referring to a single character instead of a group..
Translations have to adapt a little for the local audience, they can't always be exact literal translations, that gets funky fast.
I never seen so much obsession to the number three since Mr. Owl.
I created this account just because I wanna post in this thread (been reading it for a long time).
So…
Anyone else wants Kawamatsu to join after the latest chapter?
He looks like serious SH material to me.
I want an older woman to join. To fill the grandma or aunt roles in the strawhat's found family.
Well, he's cute and all. I'm not sure if I see any of the red scabbards (or any samurai in general) joining, but if any of them were to join, it'd be him 100%. I guess you could argue Kin'nemon because he's been with us for longer, but the kappa feels, looks and acts more like a strawhat. He's that perfect mix of cool and goofy.
All in all, too early to call. We just met the guy after all. Although admittedly that was quite the grand entrance.
Anyone else wants Kawamatsu to join after the latest chapter?
He looks like serious SH material to me.
Personally I think his design could fit very well alongside the Strawhats, as far as Wano goes. More than Jinbe anyways, who I still regard as a 'untouchable' character. Jinbe feels like NPC material because he's so established-to-be-strong, and if they just let Zoro and Sanji overshadow him in power and growth then it gets weird. He's not like any other Strawhat Ally, who have all been newcomers and underdogs.
Kawamatsu has that underdog characteristic going for him. He looks quirky and not intimidating at all, and that speaks for most of the Strawhat designs. They're very easy on the eyes, as quirky as some designs may be. Even Brook is hardly a 'scary skeleton', he's a very comical looking skeleton. In terms of design, Jinbei looks monstrous and serious all the time. If I were to choose between the two, I would pick Kawamatsu's design as a 'Aquatic' crewmate.
I'm not looking to be right or wrong, I'm just giving my opinion on how I see the character designs.
Well, he's cute and all. I'm not sure if I see any of the red scabbards (or any samurai in general) joining, but if any of them were to join, it'd be him 100%. I guess you could argue Kin'nemon because he's been with us for longer, but the kappa feels, looks and acts more like a strawhat. He's that perfect mix of cool and goofy.
All in all, too early to call. We just met the guy after all. Although admittedly that was quite the grand entrance.
Kin'nemon has a wife in wano, doesn't he? Surely he'd want to stay with her in their home country that he helped liberate?
I'd say that Jinbei doesn't feel anymore serious than Robin.
Personally I think his design could fit very well alongside the Strawhats, as far as Wano goes. More than Jinbe anyways, who I still regard as a 'untouchable' character. Jinbe feels like NPC material because he's so established-to-be-strong, and if they just let Zoro and Sanji overshadow him in power and growth then it gets weird. He's not like any other Strawhat Ally, who have all been newcomers and underdogs.
Kawamatsu has that underdog characteristic going for him. He looks quirky and not intimidating at all, and that speaks for most of the Strawhat designs. They're very easy on the eyes, as quirky as some designs may be. Even Brook is hardly a 'scary skeleton', he's a very comical looking skeleton. In terms of design, Jinbei looks monstrous and serious all the time. If I were to choose between the two, I would pick Kawamatsu's design as a 'Aquatic' crewmate.
I'm not looking to be right or wrong, I'm just giving my opinion on how I see the character designs.
My main problem with Kawamatsu is that he overlaps a lot with Jimbei. They are both fat and fishmen-like (even if Kawamatsu is not properly a fishman, which I'm not sure of). And Jimbei has already joined so… yeah.
But I wouldn't mind having both of them myself, and kawamatsu's fighting style seems very different from Jimbei's, and from all other SHs for that matter. And maybe Jimbei is really dead or will leave/die in some way and we'll get Kawamatsu instead.
@The:
Kin'nemon has a wife in wano, doesn't he? Surely he'd want to stay with her in their home country that he helped liberate?
Sure, but Franky had his gang, Chopper had Kureha, Sanji had the Baratie,etc… and they still all decided to leave their lives behind to join a bunch of people they only knew on the basis of 'we fought some bad guys together'.
Right now it doesn't really make a lot sense for Kin'nemon to leave everything behind and go with the SHs because his relationship with them has always been about business, so to speak, but it could potentially make sense by the end of the arc.
I don't really think it's likely, though. I just like to keep an open mind about these things.
Sure, but Franky had his gang, Chopper had Kureha, Sanji had the Baratie,etc… and they still all decided to leave their lives behind to join a bunch of people they only knew on the basis of 'we fought some bad guys together'.
Right now it doesn't really make a lot sense for Kin'nemon to leave everything behind and go with the SHs because his relationship with them has always been about business, so to speak, but it could potentially make sense by the end of the arc.
I don't really think it's likely, though. I just like to keep an open mind about these things.
But none of those relationships were romantic. I understand about keeping an open mind though.
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I'd say that Jinbei doesn't feel anymore serious than Robin.
I guess they're just more "serious" than the others?
And maybe Jimbei is really dead or will leave/die in some way and we'll get Kawamatsu instead.
That's how I view it. I think Jinbei's very fated to die or sacrifice himself. Not even because I _want it to happen,_just because he's been written that way in the story and pushed back so many times that it feels like he's a surprise that isn't really a surprise. He's already had his 'Jinbei saves the day' moment in WCI, how many more times does he need to make a dramatic entrance?
Robin is more nonchalant, Jinbe is more serious. But that's his gag. He's always serious, even when the situation doesn't warrant it (like coming up with a name for the plan).
That's how I view it. I think Jinbei's very fated to die or sacrifice himself. Not even because I _want it to happen,_just because he's been written that way in the story and pushed back so many times that it feels like he's a surprise that isn't really a surprise. He's already had his 'Jinbei saves the day' moment in WCI, how many more times does he need to make a dramatic entrance?
Jinbei's not gonna die, lol. What, is he Shanks now or something?
Robin is more nonchalant, Jinbe is more serious. But that's his gag. He's always serious, even when the situation doesn't warrant it (like coming up with a name for the plan).
Those two should bang, that would really help bridge the divide between humans and fishmen, lol.
When it comes to the Scabbards… Nakama Scale - 1-10
Kinemon seems like someone super connected to the area. That kind of overrides all of his nakama treatment to me. Almost like Bakaberg (Iceberg). Rambunctious character tho - Nakama Scale - 4
I feel like I don't know Kanjuro at all. He's just there. Maybe there's more, idk. Whenever he gets a speaking role, i'm asking myself, "is that all" - Nakama Scale - 3
The introduction of Raizo via the display of the Mink's loyalty was interesting and I question why he was introduced like that. Add the whole ninja fanfare and how he was initially supposed to be responsible for the Luffy/Udon mission. I felt like there was something there, but I still don't see enough - Nakama Scale - 6
Kikunojo left an impression on Zoro and Luffy. Has a bit of spunk in her personality. Is part of the Luffy/Udon escape now and that hasn't made me question a lot, so for now there's nothing else really. - Nakama Scale - 5
Denjiro, Kawamatsu and Asura are unknowns and haven't really interacted with the SH crew that much. Kawamatsu kind of, but not really. Nakama Scale - 1, 2, and 1
Inu and Neko seem like characters that have a purpose for this Wano conflict. Maybe there's more, but I don't see it. Great personalities tho - Nakama Scale - both get a 3
I counted two times where Luffy mumbled "kappa" after seeing Kawamatsu.
Luffy seems like he digs the guy.
And let's be fair: That's 90% of the reason for someone to join the crew. Dreams, past and ship roles be danmed.
I don't think we will see another samurai style swordsman in the crew, even if Kawamatsu mixes his swordsmanship with sumo and kappa abilities (?).
So far the scabbards give me a strong "Water 7 carpenters" vibe, except they have no Paulie figure who stands out a lot as crewmate material.
Yeah, that's kind of Zoro's shtick. In the immortal words of 4kids, ''he's just like a samurai''.
Jinbe won't die… Let it go people.
The absolute max I can see is him having lost a limb or something. But even this is very unlikely.
He will come back as we remember him... And this means. Awesome!!!
About Kawamatsu. He really looks interesting and unique but that's absolutely it. Nothing more to discuss
Jinbe won't die… Let it go people.
The absolute max I can see is him having lost a limb or something. But even this is very unlikely.
He will come back as we remember him... And this means. Awesome!!!
About Kawamatsu. He really looks interesting and unique but that's absolutely it. Nothing more to discuss
I want peg leg Jinbei now. I think he could pull it off.
I can understand the argument for Kinemon to a degree, but the rest of the scabbards? You should know instantaneously they aren't joining. None of them are really distinct enough from the others to consider at all.
I never thought of any of the carpenters as possibilities when I was first watching it. I didn't even think that Franky was a possibility until he fought Luffy.
All the Scabbards are expected to be swordsman, but I don't consider fighting style that strongly when thinking of nakama. I'm aware of the urgency due to being in the New World, but I can see many characters holding their own if they had to. Raizo isn't exactly the "swordsman" so far. Plus with Brook having his own style, there's wiggle room. I wonder where's Nidai Kitetsu rn.
Random, but I remember there was a cover with the top BW officers and their frontier agents. We all know that Bentham didn't have a frontier agent. Al of the top officers are lined up vertically with their partner, but Bentham has Luffy in the spot. I think he breaks out b4 eos as an ally
It's not even that. They can each be summed up as "samurai from Wano who will aid in the revolution". Well Neko/Inu aren't but they're just "funny animal ruler samurai who've been around Wano and will aid in the revolution". Once you get some uniqueness then you can get more specific with combat abilities. You got plenty of "animal musketeers from the giant elephant" but only one "cola-powered cyborg shipwright mob boss". Someone like Bentham is definitely more unique and fit for the crew but he's a walking deus ex machina so ya he'll be back lol
Well, if we're talking about Kawamatsu, there's only one kappa-thing sumo samurai guy.
Kawamatsu's design is fine. He's a good secondary. Unique mouth shape.
But nothing in his design that indicates history or extra thought like a scar or bracelet or particularly special hat, and he's another chubby fishman. Which is a shame given how many months oda kept him in shadow and hyped him up.
He's another token piece of Japanese culture getting Oda's spin on it, for the Japan arc, and that's fine. He's also being given equal billing with the other scabbards on the scene, he's just meant to be one of a group.
Maybe if he takes the hat off an has a water bowl or something. If Jinbe didn't already exist I'd maybe be on the hype train, he's reasonably unique but…
No obvious turtle shell, no breaking from the traditional Wano clothing look, and we've already had DJ Gappa in one of the movies...
I absolutely love Kawamatsus design, but I dont think he will join.
He got that ”icon/mascot” look.
Luffy showed more interest in Kawamatsu on their two panel interaction than in Carrot in the entire 3 arcs she has tagged along.
All i know is it is good to actually see a competent sumo wrestler after the other dud
When it comes to fighting styles, I would think that Franky's wrestling, boxing all stems from being heavy handed martial arts. Sumo kind of fits in there. That reminds me that Franky tried to stop the train and failed hahhaahahahhhaaa. Can't wait to see if Franky still spits nails or upgraded that. Maybe he can spit Kairoseki nails now
All i know is it is good to actually see a competent sumo wrestler after the other dud
Does it count as sumo if you're counting people?
Amen to that, both sumo instances were pretty underwhelming. Fake Yokosuna from the capital and "sumo wrestling of hell" or whatever the chapter was called.
Of course Jinbe won't die before coming to Wano. He promised Luffy he would have come back and he will. But in Wano…yeah,i think he will die (sacrificing himself).