It's tougher to play hardball when your fundamental stance is that government is good and you're not a soulless shill. Pelosi's done plenty of things well that have advanced Democratic causes, but with moderates in charge it's not surprising they cave sometimes and have excessive faith in the rule of law. This time just seems to be an especially egregious failure.
American Politics thread: No Nazis Allowed
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The bill got through the Senate with eighty-six votes; she had zero leverage.
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That's correct, some 120 House Democrats want to provide Trump with free money to torture kids.
However, when Boner or Ryan or Turtle didn't like a bill with support from both sides they'd just obstruct or not allow a vote. But Pelosi HAS to allow the vote to show that government WORKS! The babies MUST be killed for the bipartisan process to be restored!!!
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@Kaido:
Now, I'm not saying that I want more Republicans to represent my state in Congress…I'm just saying it makes no sense for District 6 to be drawn into my town.
I live in MD and know that the Democrats have gerrymandered this state. But the truth is that Democrats are out gerrymandered by Republicans in the entire country by two to one. It’s no surprise that the Republican owned Supreme Court decided not to fix the problem.
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https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2019/06/28/day-890/
Day 890: Reluctantly
1/ The House passed a $4.6 billion emergency spending bill for the humanitarian crisis on the U.S.-Mexico border. The 305-to-102 vote sends the legislation, passed by the Senate earlier in the week, to Trump, who is expected to sign it. Speaker Nancy Pelosi tried to add additional protections for unaccompanied minors and restrictions on the administration's use of funds to the bill, but was forced to accept the less restrictive Senate bill after the White House made clear it opposed the changes, and Mitch McConnell said he would not take them up. "We will reluctantly pass the Senate bill," Pelosi said in a letter to Democratic lawmakers. (Washington Post / New York Times / Politico / Reuters)
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-idUSKCN1TS1CQ
The Department of Homeland Security projects arrests along the Mexico border to fall 25% this month. Acting DHS Secretary Kevin McAleenan attributed the drop to Mexico cracking down on Central American migrants and the expansion of a program that requires asylum seekers to remain in Mexico for their immigration court hearings. (Washington Post / CNN)
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/28/politics/migrant-immigration-mcaleenan/index.html
The acting director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement will shift roles to take over as acting chief of Customs and Border Protection. Mark Morgan previously served at the CBP as chief of Border Patrol, before being named acting head of ICE in May. (The Hill)
2/ The Supreme Court it will hear arguments over whether the Trump administration illegally tried to end DACA, which shields about 700,000 young, undocumented immigrants brought to the U.S. illegally as children from deportation and allows them to receive work permits. Trump tried to end the program in 2017, calling it an unconstitutional use of executive power by Obama. Lower courts have said the Trump administration's explanation isn't adequate. The Supreme Court will likely render its verdict next June, in the thick of the 2020 presidential campaign. (New York Times / CNN / Washington Post / CNBC / Bloomberg / ABC News / NBC News)
[emoji419] Day 229: Trump rescinded DACA and called on Congress to replace the policy before it expires on March 5, 2018. The Department of Homeland Security will no longer accept new applications for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, which has provided renewable, two-year work permits to nearly 800,000 dreamers. Jeff Sessions formally announced the shift of responsibility, saying DACA "was implemented unilaterally, to great controversy and legal concern.” He called the Obama-era policy an “open-ended circumvention of immigration laws” and an unconstitutional use of executive authority. “The executive branch through DACA deliberately sought to achieve what the legislative branch specifically refused to authorize on multiple occasions." (New York Times / Washington Post / Politico)
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/03/trump-dreamers-immigration-daca-immigrants-242301
3/ Trump suggested he'll delay the 2020 Census – "no matter how long" – until the citizenship question can be added. The Supreme Court blocked the Trump administration's plan to add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census, calling the justification "contrived." Trump tweeted that the court's decision was "totally ridiculous," saying he's "asked the lawyers if they can delay the Census" until the question can be added. (Washington Post / CNN / NBC News)
[emoji419] Day 889: The Supreme Court blocked the citizenship question from being added to the 2020 census. The court found that while the Department of Commerce had a right to reinstate the question, the administration provided a "contrived" justification for doing so. The Trump administration claimed the citizenship question was necessary to better comply with federal voting rights law, while critics argued it is an attempt to intimidate immigrant households. The Department of Commerce will now have to justify the addition of the question, which raises the question of whether the Trump administration will have enough time or the ability to add it before the forms have to be printed. The administration previously told the court that the questionnaire needed to be printed by the end of June. The Census Bureau found the question would reduce the response rate –especially in immigrant communities – and result in an estimated 6.5 million people not being counted. (CNN / NBC News / New York Times / NPR / Washington Post)
4/ Trump jokingly told Putin "don't meddle in the election" while touting his "very, very good relationship" with the Russian leader at the G20 Summit. Trump then pointed at another Russian official and repeated: "Don't meddle in the election." Trump's meeting with Putin was their first since last year's summit in Helsinki, when Trump took Putin's side over his own U.S. intelligence agencies on the question of Russian interference in the 2016 election. Trump has been increasingly pressured to publicly criticize Putin ahead of the 2020 election. (NBC News / New York Times / Politico / Wall Street Journal)
Trump joked with Putin that they should "get rid" of journalists after quipping about election interference. "Fake news is a great term, isn't it? You don't have this problem in Russia but we do." Putin responded in English: "We also have. It's the same." (The Guardian)
Jimmy Carter suggested that Trump is an illegitimate president who only won the 2016 election because "Russians interfered on his behalf." Carter said Trump should "condemn" the Kremlin's interference since the American intelligence community concluded Russia had meddled in the election. "I think a full investigation would show that Trump didn't actually win the election in 2016. He lost the election, and he was put into office because the Russians interfered on his behalf." (NBC News / Politico / CNN)
[emoji419] Day 543: Trump rejected the consensus of U.S. intelligence agencies that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election, saying he doesn't "see any reason why" Russia would have interfered, and that Putin "was extremely strong and powerful" in denying it during their summit in Helsinki. Trump's refusal to condemn Moscow clashed with the conclusions of U.S. intelligence agencies, and comes days after the Justice Department indicted 12 Russian intelligence agents for hacking the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign in an attempt to help Trump. Putin confirmed the he wanted Trump to win the election. Prior to the summit, Trump blamed "U.S. foolishness and stupidity" for poor Russian relations. The Russian foreign ministry responded to Trump's tweet with "We agree." (New York Times / Washington Post / Reuters/Politico)
[emoji419] Day 544: Trump backtracked and tried to spin his Helsinki summit comments. Reading from prepared remarks, Trump claimed he misspoke yesterday and meant to say "I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be Russia" that interfered in the election. Trump also said "I accept" the intelligence community's conclusion that Russia meddled in the 2016 election, but it "could be other people also." Trump asserted that "Russia's actions had no impact at all" on the election outcome. During yesterday's news conference, Trump said he doesn't "see any reason" why Russia would have meddled during the last election. Prior to that, Trump blamed the U.S. for acting with "foolishness and stupidity" toward Russia in the past. Trump also rejected the consensus of U.S. intelligence agencies that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election. Instead, Trump said he believed Putin's denial. (Bloomberg / CNBC / Wall Street Journal / New York Times / Washington Post)
[emoji419] Day 552: The White House deleted a key exchange between a reporter and Putin from the official transcript and video of Trump's recent summit with Putin in Helsinki. During the press conference in Helsinki, a Reuters reporter asks Putin, "Did you want President Trump to win the election and did you direct any of your officials to help him do that?" Putin then responds, "Yes, I did. Yes, I did. Because he talked about bringing the U.S.-Russia relationship back to normal." The White House omitted the first part of the question, leaving only the second part in the official transcript and video. The Russian government removed the entire exchange from their official record. [Editor's note: Apparently this was due to the audio feed switching between only the right channel and both channels. Regardless, it's unclear why the feed switched. White House transcripts are considered the official record of the president's comments.](The Atlantic / MSNBC / HuffPost)
[emoji3579] Notables
The Supreme Court rejected Alabama's request to revive the state's ban on the most common second-trimester abortion procedure. The decision means the procedure will remain available to women seeking reproductive health services in that state. The Alabama law was blocked by lower courts, but would have affected 99% of abortions performed in the state after 15 weeks. (Politico / ABC News / New York Times / Reuters)In closed-door testimony with the House Foreign Affairs Committee, former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson detailed how Jared Kushner bypassed the State Department to meet with foreign officials. Kushner privately talked with Saudi and Emirati leaders about their secret plans to impose a blockade on Qatar, leaving Tillerson and other senior national security officials — including Jim Mattis, then the defense secretary — in the dark. (Washington Post / Politico / Axios / New York Times)
The White House is developing a plan to cut capital gains taxes, which would benefit the wealthy. The White House is considering revamping capital gains taxes by executive order as a way to bypass Congress. (Bloomberg)
Senators blocked an effort to restrict Trump's ability to go to war with Iran. The proposal would have block Trump from using funding to carry out military action without congressional authorization. (The Hill)
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/450775-senate-rejects-attempt-to-curb-trumps-iran-war-powers
**Debatables **Last night was the second of two back-to-back Democratic presidential primary debates. Here's how some of the major outlets covered it:
Biden Comes Under Attack From All Sides in Democratic Debate. Senator Kamala Harris confronted the former vice president in a searing moment over racial equality, and others attacked him on policy and generational divide. (New York Times)
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/us/politics/democratic-debate-recap.html
Marianne Williamson’s “girlfriend” call to New Zealand and her other best moments in the debates. And by best, we mean all of them. (Vox)
6 Takeaways From Night 2 of the Democratic Debate. Kamala Harris stood out from the 10-person crowd several times during the NBC debate. Her exchange with Joe Biden, who is leading in the polls, put him on the defensive. (New York Times)
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/us/politics/democratic-debate-live.html
For Biden and Harris, busing and integration became a flashpoint on the debate stage. Harris forcefully slammed Biden's history of working with segregationists and opposing school busing (NBC News)
Andrew Yang says microphone was 'not on' at times during Democratic debate. Democratic presidential candidate Andrew Yang claimed his microphone was "not on" a few times when he attempted to jump in during Thursday night's Democratic debate in Miami. (The Hill)
Candidates slam Trump at Democratic debate, but fight over racial issues, health care. The faceoff featuring 10 candidates included an intense racial moment between Biden and Harris over busing and segregation. (NBC News)
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Post-debate CNN poll: 2020 Democrats 6/28-30 (change from 5/28-31)
Biden 22% (-10)
Harris 17% (+9)
Warren 15% (+8)
Sanders 14% (-4)
Buttigieg 4% (-1)
Booker 3% (-)
O’Rourke 3% (-2)
Klobuchar 2% (-)
Castro 1% (-1)
de Blasio 1% (+1)
Gabbard 1% (-)
Yang 1% (-)
[everyone else <1%]Pete Buttigieg is polling at 1% with non-white voters in the new CNN poll.
Biden is Jebbing it.
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[h=1]](https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2019/07/01/day-893/)Day 893: Unforeseen[/h]
1/ A federal judge ordered Customs and Border Patrol to let health experts into detention facilities holding migrant children in order to assess the children's needs and ensure the facilities are "safe and sanitary." The order includes all CBP facilities in the El Paso and Rio Grande Valley sectors. U.S. District Judge Dolly Gee made the ruling despite requests from Attorney General William Barr and others that the court "set a schedule for briefing these issues that provides defendants with a full and fair opportunity to respond to the allegations that plaintiffs have lodged against them." Last week, lawyers asked Judge Gee to hold the Trump administration in contempt and to order immediate improvements at the facilities. (CNN / The Hill)- Roughly 9,500 current and former Border Patrol agents are part of a secret Facebook group that jokes about migrant deaths, discusses throwing burritos at Latino members of Congress, and posts illustration depicting Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez engaged in oral sex with a detained migrant, among other things. The group was created in August 2016 and is called "I'm 10-15" – the Border Patrol code for "aliens in custody." (ProPublica)
2/ Inspectors warned Homeland Security in May that conditions at an El Paso migrant detention facility were so bad that border agents were arming themselves against possible riots. According to a report by the Homeland Security Inspector General's office, there were only four showers available for the 756 immigrants, more than half of the immigrants were being held outside, and there were five times as many people being held in cells beyond the maximum capacity allowed. One cell was so overcrowded that the men inside could not lie down to sleep, and temperatures in the cells were often higher than 80 degrees. "With limited access to showers and clean clothing," the report said, "detainees were wearing soiled clothing for days or weeks." Acting DHS Secretary Kevin McAleenan, meanwhile, claimed that reports of poor conditions at the facility were "unsubstantiated." (NBC News)
3/ A federal judge blocked Trump from using $2.5 billion in military funding to build a wall at the southern border. The permanent injunction halts border wall construction at different sites in New Mexico, California, Arizona and Texas. Trump declared a national emergency earlier this year in order to divert roughly $6 billion in Defense Department funds toward border wall construction, arguing that the use of the military funds was lawful under the scope of the national emergency, because the need for funding was "unforeseen." (NPR / The Hill / Mother Jones)
4/ A new study correlates Trump's rise in popularity during the 2016 campaign with social media activity by the Russian trolls and bots of the Internet Research Agency. While the study does not prove that Russian interference swung the election, researchers at the University of Tennessee found that for every 25,000 re-tweets by accounts connected to the IRA, Trump's poll numbers jumped 1%. [[I]Editor's note: Correlation does not always mean causation.] (NBC News / Axios)- A Trump campaign consultant anonymously runs multiple fake Russian-style disinformation presidential campaign websites. Patrick Mauldin, who makes videos and other digital content for Trump's re-election campaign, calls the sites a political parody built and paid for "BY AN American citizen FOR American citizens." Mauldin, who also runs a Republican political consulting firm, claimed that the sites are not the work of any campaign or political action committee. Mauldin has set up fake campaign websites for "Uncle Joe" Biden, "Millionaire Bernie" Sanders, "Elizabeth Warren for Chief," and "Kamala Harris for Arresting the People." (New York Times)
5/ Trump Jr. shared – then deleted – a tweet questioning if Kamala Harris was black enough to discuss the black American experience. Harris is the biracial daughter of a Jamaican father and Indian mother and during the Demcratic debate, Trump Jr. shared a tweet that falsely claimed that Harris was "not an American Black," because "She comes from Jamaican Slave Owners." Spokesman Andy Surabian said "that folks were misconstruing the intent of [Trump Jr.'s] tweet." (New York Times)
6/ Trump became the first sitting U.S. president to set foot in North Korea. Trump spent 53 minutes privately talking with Kim Jong Un at the demilitarized zone. The two agreed to set up teams to "work out some details" and resume negotiations to eliminate North Korea's nuclear arsenal. (Washington Post / NBC News / Associated Press / New York Times)
7/ Iran exceeded the maximum amount of low enriched uranium allowed under the 2015 nuclear deal. Iran's stockpile of about 660 pounds of low enriched uranium does not give the country enough material to produce a nuclear weapon. (New York Times / Axios)
8/ The House Ethics Committee is investigating Rep. Matt Gaetz for threatening to release embarrassing personal information about Michael Cohen on the eve of Cohen's testimony to the House Oversight Committee. (Politico)
9/ Trump requested tanks as a prop for his planned "Salute to America" Fourth of July address to the nation. Trump also requested an F-35 stealth fighter and Marine Helicopter Squadron One in addition to the planned flyover by other military aircraft, including Air Force One. (Washington Post)
poll/ 47% of Americans approve of Trump's handling of the economy, while 51% disapprove. 26% said Trump's tariffs have helped the economy, down from 40% in August 2018. (AP-NORC) -
Alexandria Oscario-Cortez went to one of the concen- er, detention centers, and what she found is NOT pretty:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ocasio-cortez-democrats-migrant-detention-texas_n_5d1a5f9de4b03d61164025ce?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000048&utm_medium=facebook§ion=politics&utm_campaign=hp_fb_pages&utm_source=lv_fb&fbclid=IwAR37KV7ZtZ3CzjaN6SGH1kEoRtCHpa6oW3VD2wTa4UGB4MwVuklCV2c6rogCanada or Ireland is looking nicer and nicer every week.
Biden is Jebbing it.
I don't hate you, Biden, but I wish you'd give it up.
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I wish we could reenact the Storming of the Bastille with those camps. Anyone who works at that camp is an evil SOB.
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@Johnny:
I wish we could reenact the Storming of the Bastille with those camps. Anyone who works at that camp is an evil SOB.
Now that would be satisfying.
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The racist and illegal question about citizenship will not be on the 2020 census.
May we all thank our median vote on the highest court in the land checks notes John Roberts for this shocking victory.
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It's actually kinda impressive that the Justice Department case was so godawful that they convinced a rich white Catholic guy who thinks that institutional racism doesn't exist because it doesn't affect him that the intended action was really, really racist.
Plus that the idea was so inherently racist that they just gave up rather than even attempt to meet the wink-and-a-nudge requirements Roberts implied would make it legal.
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@Cyan:
The racist and illegal question about citizenship will not be on the 2020 census.
What was the question?
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https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2019/07/02/day-894/
[h=1]Day 894: Surreal[/h]
1/ House Democrats sued for Trump's tax returns, challenging the administration's refusal to comply with a subpoena for the records. The Ways and Means Committee accused the Trump administration of "an extraordinary attack on the authority of Congress to obtain information needed to conduct oversight," naming the Treasury Department, IRS, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, and IRS Commissioner Charles Rettig in the suit. The Trump administration has argued that Congress's power to access the returns is limited to information that would serve "legitimate" legislative purposes. (Politico / Washington Post / New York Times / NBC News / ABC News)- Day 876: The Justice Department supported Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin's refusal to turn over Trump's tax returns to the House Ways and Means Committee. The Office of Legal Counsel released its legal rationale for refusing to provide Trump's tax returns to Congress, saying the request was designed to make the returns public, which "is not a legitimate legislative purpose." (Washington Post / Wall Street Journal)
- Day 873: The House authorized committee chairs to sue the Trump administration in federal court to enforce a series of subpoenas. The House Judiciary Committee can now begin legal proceedings to enforce the panel's subpoenas for Mueller's evidence and force former White House Counsel Donald McGahn to cooperate with the panels' probe into whether Trump obstructed justice. The move also empowers other committee chairmen to seek enforcement of their own subpoenas for testimony and documents, such as Trump's tax returns. The measure, however, stopped short of a criminal contempt citation for Attorney General William Barr and McGahn. (Politico / Washington Post / Wall Street Journal / Bloomberg)
- Day 841: The House Ways and Mean Committee subpoenaed Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin over Trump's tax returns. IRS Commissioner Charles Rettig was also subpoenaed. Chairman Richard Neal gave Mnuchin and Rettig until until May 17 to turn over six years of Trump's returns, and is expected to go to court to enforce his request if the Trump administration continues to argue that the committee does not have a legitimate legislative purpose that warrants compliance. Earlier this week, Mnuchin rejected Neal's request for the returns. Trump previously vowed to fight all subpoenas from House Democrats. Subpoenas are now pending from the Ways and Means, Judiciary, Oversight and Reform, Financial Services, and the Intelligence Committees. (CNBC / New York Times / Politico / Washington Post / Wall Street Journal)
2/ The Trump administration dropped its plans to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census after the Supreme Court effectively blocked the addition of the question, calling the rationale for the question "contrived." After the ruling was announced last week, Trump said he was considering delaying the census until the question could be added. The process of preparing a new justification, however, was expected to take months and delay the process of printing hundreds of millions of forms. (Washington Post/ Politico / CNN / Wall Street Journal / New York Times / CNBC)
- Day 889: The Supreme Court blocked the citizenship question from being added to the 2020 census. The court found that while the Department of Commerce had a right to reinstate the question, the administration provided a "contrived" justification for doing so. The Trump administration claimed the citizenship question was necessary to better comply with federal voting rights law, while critics argued it is an attempt to intimidate immigrant households. The Department of Commerce will now have to justify the addition of the question, which raises the question of whether the Trump administration will have enough time or the ability to add it before the forms have to be printed. The administration previously told the court that the questionnaire needed to be printed by the end of June. The Census Bureau found the question would reduce the response rate –especially in immigrant communities – and result in an estimated 6.5 million people not being counted. (CNN / NBC News / New York Times / NPR / Washington Post)
- The Trump administration missed its own July 1st deadline to print the 2020 census. The materials have yet to be officially approved by the White House's Office of Management and Budget, which is headed by acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney. (NPR / Daily Beast / New York Magazine)
3/ The Department of Homeland Security sent out fines for nearly $500,000 to some immigrants who are in the U.S. illegally for "failing to depart the U.S. as previously agreed." ICE said the Immigration and Nationality Act grants the agency the right to impose "civil fines on aliens who have been ordered removed or granted voluntary departure and fail to depart the United States" of no more than $500 for each day the person is in violation of the section. Immigration lawyers say they've never heard of it used this way. (NPR)
4/ Trump threatened to increase ICE raids and deportations of undocumented immigrants after the Fourth of July holiday, saying "they're going to be gone, they're going back to their countries. They go back home." Trump praised the Mexican government for taking steps to curb the flow of migrants reaching the U.S. border, claiming, "It was because of tariffs that they're doing it, but the point is they're doing a great job." Trump then reiterated his threat to deport all undocumented immigrants, "because that's what we do." Trump delayed planned nationwide ICE raids last month for two weeks to see if Congress can "work out a solution." (NBC News)- Day 886: Trump delayed planned nationwide ICE raids for two weeks to see if Congress can "work out a solution." Immigration agents had planned to sweep and deport people living the U.S. illegally in 10 major cities beginning Sunday. Hours after defending the plan, Trump delayed the raids on Saturday.Earlier in the week, Trump threatened to arrest and deport "millions of illegal aliens" next week. ICE leaders expressed concerns that officers' safety would be in jeopardy because too many details about the raids had been made public. (Associated Press / New York Times / CNN / Politico / ABC News)
- Rep. Joaquin Castro snuck a hidden camera into a migrant detention facility and tweeted out photos and videos, saying Americans "must see what is being carried out in their name." The tweets show several women in the custody of Customs and Border Patrol sitting on the floor with blankets at a facility in El Paso. The facility in question housed "women from Cuba, some grandmothers, crammed into a prison-like cell with one toilet, but no running water to drink from or wash their hands with. Concrete floors, cinder-block walls, steel toilets." Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez also visited the facility, where she said officers were keeping women in cells with no running water, and had "told them to drink out of the toilets." (The Hill / The Guardian / NBC News / BuzzFeed News / Washington Post)
5/ Tanks for Trump's Fourth of July "Salute to America" arrived in Washington. At least two Bradley and two Abrams tanks were purportedly en route to the National Mall. Trump also requested that the chiefs for the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines stand next to him during the celebration. (NBC News / New York Times / Associated Press)
- The White House is distributing tickets for Trump's "Salute to America" to major Republican donors and political appointees. (HuffPost / Washington Post)
- The 20-foot-tall balloon depicting Trump as a baby in diapers will fly on the National Mall during Trump's "Salute to America" event. (Politico / CNN)
6/ Ivanka Trump was an unofficial stand-in for diplomats and government officials at meetings with world leaders at the G-20 summit, in South Korea, and at the demilitarized zone last week. Ivanka called the experience "surreal." (Washington Post / New York Times / CNN / NBC News)
poll/ Americans' pride in the U.S. hit an all-time low. 45% say they are "extremely proud" to be Americans. In 2018, 47% felt "extremely proud." (Gallup / Axios / CNN) -
@Stranger:
What was the question?
"Are you a citizen or are you an illegal?"
Which among other things, would cause a lot of people to not even note they're there at all, which would completely mess with actual population counts and how much money and senate standing a given state gets.
It's also super targeted at brown people.
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Essentially, this is how Trump was hoping the Census question would work.
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It's both a huge win and sad that basic rule of law is now cause for celebration.
A narrow margin of rule of law winning, too.
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Roberts sits in his office and cries that he threw away a golden opportunity to further disenfranchise minorities.
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"Are you a citizen or are you an illegal?"
Which among other things, would cause a lot of people to not even note they're there at all, which would completely mess with actual population counts and how much money and senate standing a given state gets.
It's also super targeted at brown people.
Ah >_< Sheesh, Republicans have such a damn obsession with immigrants, like they are people too. Thank you for telling me… hopefully Democrats take the government back in 2020, and we can fix all these problems.
Essentially, this is how Trump was hoping the Census question would work.
Yup, that is exactly it.
Also, seen this on Facebook, and it is so true:
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Speaking of the census, what is it used for? I never done one before, so what should I expect to see on it?
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@Stranger:
Speaking of the census, what is it used for? I never done one before, so what should I expect to see on it?
Its used to figure out population in a given area which is important for a whole wide variety of reasons.
The most important in the current climate is that data is used to draw district lines though and decide how much representation a given area should have in representation. State and local funds are also distributed based on population
The "are you an illegal" question in particular would have hit border states like California and Texas hard, and would really affect their numbers. A particularly error prone census could, for example, say California has (number off the top of my head that has no factual basis) has 3 million less people than it actually does. Which means the for the next TEN YEARS, it would probably lose a senate delegate and that would instead go to some smaller population state, which if rigged a certain way for a state more likely to swing, could affect basically every house/senate majority for some time to come since they're currently so closelsy tied.
But 3 million is a really big number! That might be too extreme an example. (Though, for instance, Trump could pretend that three million votes Hillary won by were all illegal in California.. which ignores that it was countrywide votes that did it, not JUST California…) Consider the fact that he "won" three swing states by only 70,000 people between them means that much less being represented falsely, given weight where it shouldn't... can turn tides.
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So…can someone smarter than me tell me the odds of Bernie actually becoming the nominee? Because 14% just doesn't look that good to me, unfortunately. I'm just hoping I'm way off in my assessment.
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Its used to figure out population in a given area which is important for a whole wide variety of reasons.
The most important in the current climate is that data is used to draw district lines though and decide how much representation a given area should have in representation. State and local funds are also distributed based on population
That makes sense. I never knew that the census was that important. I never thought of funding for the area for example. What kinds of questions shall I expect to see on the census?
The "are you an illegal" question in particular would have hit border states like California and Texas hard, and would really affect their numbers. A particularly error prone census could, for example, say California has (number off the top of my head that has no factual basis) has 3 million less people than it actually does. Which means the for the next TEN YEARS, it would probably lose a senate delegate and that would instead go to some smaller population state, which if rigged a certain way for a state more likely to swing, could affect basically every house/senate majority for some time to come since they're currently so closelsy tied.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I never thought of it that way at all. I thought it was just a question to know how many illegals there are in the country. I never thought it would be separate like that at all. It's good that the Supreme Court blocked that measure, plus that question would have kicked a lot of people out of the country, which would have been disastrous, they are people too, and have their reasons. I'm a huge supporter of the idea of open borders, like literally making citizenship easier than it is now. What are the pros and cons of this type of thing?
But 3 million is a really big number! That might be too extreme an example. (Though, for instance, Trump could pretend that three million votes Hillary won by were all illegal in California.. which ignores that it was countrywide votes that did it, not JUST California…) Consider the fact that he "won" three swing states by only 70,000 people between them means that much less being represented falsely, given weight where it shouldn't... can turn tides.
Yeah, it's okay. I understood what you meant, and it got your point across. Thank you for explaining it.
Speaking of Trump, I really hope in the future, the government gets rid of the damn electoral college….. it just makes things bad like what happened in 2016.
On another topic, is there a website where I can see which Democrat candidate I lean more towards, I know I can't vote in the primary, but I'm just curious on which of them I am more close to in policies. I remember there was one for the 2016 election era, thank you in advance :)
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@The:
So…can someone smarter than me tell me the odds of Bernie actually becoming the nominee? Because 14% just doesn't look that good to me, unfortunately. I'm just hoping I'm way off in my assessment.
0% unless Warren, Harris, and Biden all die in a freak accident, and even then I wouldn't put his odds above 40%.
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@Cyan:
0% unless Warren, Harris, and Biden all die in a freak accident, and even then I wouldn't put his odds above 40%.
Shit. At least Warren seems like an alright 2nd choice.
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@Stranger:
Yeah, On another topic, is there a website where I can see which Democrat candidate I lean more towards, I know I can't vote in the primary, but I'm just curious on which of them I am more close to in policies. I remember there was one for the 2016 election era, thank you in advance :)
Isidewith.com is a decent place to start. You'll probably get similar results for a lot of Democratic candidates so it's worth going through at the end to compare the few differences.
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A handy list of the companies that are involved with or are profiting from the detention centers:
https://wearyourvoicemag.com/news-politics/companies-profit-migrants-detention?fbclid=IwAR3vj5al_uEk87YFt7EF9hQ-rIgi4R4pd2Gs0mhJn9t4bPaUGzRTSQcTY2Q I admit I don't recognize half those companies, but it's handy to know. And the ones I do recognize . . . well shit.@The:
Shit. At least Warren seems like an alright 2nd choice.
I like Bernie too, but unfortunately he is now just TOO OLD.
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So…can someone smarter than me tell me the odds of Bernie actually becoming the nominee? Because 14% just doesn't look that good to me, unfortunately. I'm just hoping I'm way off in my assessment.
Not great. Bernie had momentum last time around and he still lost by a LOT, and that was in a two person race against a candidate a lot of people just didn't like. And some of his personal issues have started to creep in. I wanted him to be the guy then, I don't particular want him to be it now.
There's other, younger, more charismatic candidates this time around running on platforms similar to his, so he's not really adding anything new to the conversation this time. He'll be a front runner for a while based on his performance last time but that's probably going to fall away.
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The "are you an illegal" question in particular would have hit border states like California and Texas hard, and would really affect their numbers. A particularly error prone census could, for example, say California has (number off the top of my head that has no factual basis) has 3 million less people than it actually does. Which means the for the next TEN YEARS, it would probably lose a senate delegate and that would instead go to some smaller population state, which if rigged a certain way for a state more likely to swing, could affect basically every house/senate majority for some time to come since they're currently so closelsy tied.
Are you talking State Senate there? Because you can't lose a Senator in Federal Congress. They're always two per state, period. House representation is what's tied to population and counties/districts.
I'm less versed on state-level politics but I imagine it's the same there, just based on districts, so if you mean if the census causes a district to be removed, that would make sense (if that can happen. Can that happen?)
https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2019/07/03/day-895/
[h=1]Day 895: Moving forward[/h]
1/ A report from the Department of Homeland Security's independent watchdog found the squalid conditions at migrant detention camps were more widespread than initially revealed. The report describes standing-room-only cells, children without access to showers or hot meals, and detainees desperately begging to be released. Inspectors visited five facilities in June, where they found many migrants are given only wet wipes to clean themselves and bologna sandwiches to eat, leading to additional health problems. Children at two of the camps were not given hot meals until inspectors arrived. Overcrowding was so severe that migrants were banging on cell walls and pressing notes up against the windows begging for help. (New York Times / Reuters)
2/ A federal judge blocked Attorney General William Barr's order to indefinitely detain immigrants seeking asylum and deny them bail if they crossed into the U.S. border without permission. The order requires immigration judges to conduct hearings for asylum applicants to ask for release on bail within seven days if they have shown a "credible fear" of returning to their country of origin. (Bloomberg / New York Times)
3/ Trump claimed that he is "absolutely moving forward" with including the citizenship question on the 2020 census, contradicting both the Justice Department and the Commerce secretary, and calling the news reports "FAKE!" Yesterday, Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross said the Census Bureau was in the process of printing the census form without the citizenship question following the Supreme Court's decision to effectively block the question from being added to the questionnaire. (New York Times / CNBC / The Hill)
4/ The National Parks Service is diverting $2.5 million meant to improve parks in order to cover costs associated with Trump's Fourth of July event on the National Mall. Trump officials have consistently refused to disclose how much taxpayers will have to pay for the "Salute to America" event. The diverted park fees make up just a fraction of the extra costs the government will have to pay as a result of the event, which will include tanks, military flyovers, Air Force One, and an extended pyrotechnics display. (Washington Post)
5/ Trump defended the cost of his "Salute to America" event, saying it will be "very little compared to what it is worth" because it will be "the show of a lifetime." Military chiefs, meanwhile, are concerned about the politicization of the event – They've been asked to stand with Trump during the event. (Politico / Washington Post / CNN)
6/ Trump will hold a campaign rally in North Carolina on the same day Robert Mueller is scheduled to testify publicly to Congress. Trump's campaign announced that he will be returning to Greenville, N.C. on July 17 to offer counter-programming to Mueller's highly anticipated public testimony about his report on Russian election interference in 2016 and possible obstruction of justice by Trump. The Trump campaign's chief operating officer said the rally will be an opportunity to highlight "the successes of the Trump presidency." (Washington Post)- Day 888: Robert Mueller agreed to testify before the House Intelligence and Judiciary Committees in back-to-back public hearings on July 17th about his investigation into Russia's election interference and possible obstruction of justice by Trump. The announcement came after the two panels issued a subpoena compelling Mueller's testimony. Mueller previously said he did not want to testify and his report should serve as his testimony. Members of Mueller's team will also participate in a closed-door session with lawmakers. (NBC News / Washington Post / New York Times / Politico / ABC News / CNN)
poll/ 41% approve the job Trump is doing as president while 54% disapprove. 29% strongly approve with 44% who strongly disapprove. (Gallup)
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Are you talking State Senate there? Because you can't lose a Senator in Federal Congress. They're always two per state, period. House representation is what's tied to population and counties/districts.
I personally just use the two terms interchangeably. It's all "the senate" to me.
Wrong, but how my brain is wired.
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The word you're looking for is "congress."
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I personally just use the two terms interchangeably. It's all "the senate" to me.
Wrong, but how my brain is wired.
I kind of had the idea there, but I wanted to be sure for sake of clarity.
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I kind of had the idea there, but I wanted to be sure for sake of clarity.
Yeah, it's the weirdest damn thing.
For whatever reason, can never tell the house and senate apart unless I look it up and check first. I know there's a difference, I know what that difference is, I know the words aren't interchangeable, but my brain refuses to make the distinction. I have no idea why. It's like I have dyslexia but just about this one set of words.
So I end up using "senate" regardless of which I mean. I know its wrong. (Well, half the time. It's also right half the time.) But its hard wired in there for whatever reason.
Maybe there's other words I invert without realizing it that just don't come up often enough for anyone to realize it. Like I intentionally alternate between Jinbe and Jimbei within the same paragraphs to see if anyone notices and no one has in all the years I've been doing it, but that's not quite the same thing.
….I blame Star Wars.
The word you're looking for is "congress."
If I meant both things I would say both things. I don't mean congress.
I MEAN House. And my brain says senate.
I also, when discussing the senate, MEAN senate. And my brain says senate.If I just flipped the two around because I mixed them up I'd at least understand it. Or if it was just an occasional slip of the tongue. Or if I actually didn't know the difference. But nope, its just always senate, no matter which one I mean.
When I know I'm discussing both I can pause and actively look it up, because I know the difference, and I do the double check then, but my brain just won't process it unless I'm actively checking. I don't get it, for whatever reason. This goes back to like, middle school. -
Yeah, it's the weirdest damn thing.
For whatever reason, can never tell the house and senate apart unless I look it up and check first. I know there's a difference, I know what that difference is, I know the words aren't interchangeable, but my brain refuses to make the distinction. I have no idea why. It's like I have dyslexia but just about this one set of words.
So I end up using "senate" regardless of which I mean. I know its wrong. (Well, half the time. It's also right half the time.) But its hard wired in there for whatever reason.
Maybe there's other words I invert without realizing it that just don't come up often enough for anyone to realize it. Like I intentionally alternate between Jinbe and Jimbei within the same paragraphs to see if anyone notices and no one has in all the years I've been doing it, but that's not quite the same thing.
….I blame Star Wars.
Just to help,
Senate: Upper house.
House of Representatives: Lower house.
Congress: Term for both houses combined.:)
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@Johnny:
Just to help,
Senate: Upper house.
House of Representatives: Lower house.
Congress: Term for both houses combined.:)
That's not helpful at all.
I know there's a difference, I know what that difference is, I know the words aren't interchangeable, but my brain refuses to make the distinction.
For whatever reason.
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Like I intentionally alternate between Jinbe and Jimbei within the same paragraphs to see if anyone notices and no one has in all the years I've been doing it, but that's not quite the same thing.
I've been doing the same thing for quite a while…...
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Today as we celebrate the birth of Calvin Coolidge, let us all watch as the idiot child in the White House destroys DC's roads by driving tanks on them.
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Isidewith.com is a decent place to start. You'll probably get similar results for a lot of Democratic candidates so it's worth going through at the end to compare the few differences.
Thank you very much! :3
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Looks like I lean the most with Elizabeth Warren at 90% out of all the candidates. Cool
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Trump's narcissism parade got rained out. HA!
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Trump's narcissism parade got rained out. HA!
Let's all imagine God giving Trump the Simpsons Nelson laugh.
NRA meltdown has Trump campaign sweating – Republicans worry that the NRA and two other groups that have long formed the core of their electoral infrastructure will be effectively on the sidelines.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/03/nra-guns-trump-campaign-1395970
The National Rifle Association aired an avalanche of TV ads and pushed its 5 million-plus members to the polls for Donald Trump in 2016, propelling him in the Rust Belt states that delivered him the presidency.
Now, the gun rights group is in total meltdown — and senior Republicans and Trump 2020 officials are alarmed.
In recent weeks, the NRA has seen everything from a failed coup attempt to the departure of its longtime political architect to embarrassing tales of self-dealing by top leaders. The turmoil is fueling fears that the organization will be profoundly diminished heading into the election, leaving the Republican Party with a gaping hole in its political machinery.
With the Chamber of Commerce and Koch political network withdrawing from their once-dominant roles in electing conservatives, Republicans worry that three organizations that have long formed the core of their electoral infrastructure will be effectively on the sidelines.
The predicament has so troubled some Republicans that they are calling on the famously secretive NRA to address its 2020 plans. Within the past week, senators have privately expressed concerns about the group to National Republican Senatorial Committee Chairman Todd Young.
“No organization has been more important to conservative voter education and engagement than the NRA. We all hope they’re able to mount the kind of effort in the 2020 cycle they have in the past,” said Gregg Keller, a former American Conservative Union executive director. “But in case they can’t, given their current situation, I hope they’re being forthright about that within the movement so others can pick up the slack.”
“The situation,” he added, “has folks nervous.”
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Oh, I can only dream of a world where the NRA doesn't influence the vote every election.
Also, strange that this is happening during Trump's administration. You'd think he'd have a plan to support them, but then again you'd also think he would check the weather before planning a parade. Go fig.
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Trump made a super rambling speech where he said that the military occupied airports during the Revolutionary War. His version also saw the United States defeating Cornwallis of Yorktown and successfully defending Fort McHenry, which wasn't constructed until over a decade after the Revolutionary War ended.
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Trump made a super rambling speech where he said that the military occupied airports during the Revolutionary War. His version also saw the United States defeating Cornwallis of Yorktown and successfully defending Fort McHenry, which wasn't constructed until over a decade after the Revolutionary War ended.
General stupidity or increasing dementia?
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I swear, every time we celebrate America it's always gotta be about the military. I mean, people know there's more to this country than just its military, right?
EDIT: Though, considering we're the self-appointed policemen of the world, maybe there isn't.
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Trump made a super rambling speech where he said that the military occupied airports during the Revolutionary War. His version also saw the United States defeating Cornwallis of Yorktown and successfully defending Fort McHenry, which wasn't constructed until over a decade after the Revolutionary War ended.
Trump and U.S. History/World History/Science/Literacy/Economics/etc are bigger rivals than Cats & Dogs…..and at least they can learn to tolerate each other.
I swear, every time we celebrate America it's always gotta be about the military. I mean, people know there's more to this country than just its military, right?
You know that I know that. But a significant portion of the population and unfortunately most of the world for valid reasons doesn't.
bUT iT's ThE LeFT ThAT's InToLeRAnT
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@Johnny:
General stupidity or increasing dementia?
We've still not been given an explanation of Pence making a u-turn the other day which makes me think Trump probably had some sort of medical emergency and he still isn't quite right after it. Personally I still think the guy had at least a ministroke last year and that was the real reason he didn't participate in the Armistice Day centennial in France.
Of course, stupidity is still an entirely reasonable explanation of it; especially if his speechwriters don't really care all that much.
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I swear, every time we celebrate America it's always gotta be about the military. I mean, people know there's more to this country than just its military, right?
That's a myth. Everyone knows the united states is just a big military base with only military personel occupying it.
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Trump made a super rambling speech where he said that the military occupied airports during the Revolutionary War. His version also saw the United States defeating Cornwallis of Yorktown and successfully defending Fort McHenry, which wasn't constructed until over a decade after the Revolutionary War ended.
LOL. Where was this?!
@Johnny:
General stupidity or increasing dementia?
Both. He's always been an idiot but he wasn't this bad when he was younger (that we know). If not outright dementia then something is dragging his brain down further.
I swear, every time we celebrate America it's always gotta be about the military. I mean, people know there's more to this country than just its military, right?
This country was founded in a war and don't you forget it!
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Both. He's always been an idiot but he wasn't this bad when he was younger (that we know). If not outright dementia then something is dragging his brain down further.
This. His opinions and ideas were always bad, but if you look at video of him 20 or 30 years ago, he speaks completely differently and more like a sane person.
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LOL. Where was this?!
That was his big glorious speech for this event; a rambling tenth-assed history speech that would have received a failing grade from any middle school social studies teacher for all the things it got wrong.