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Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary
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According to 5CH Leak: Vivre Card Booster Set in Augst 2019, will be the last One, until they Announce for Back !
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According to 5CH Leak: Vivre Card Booster Set in Augst 2019, will be the last One, until they Announce for Back !
I knew they wouldn't release a new binder after the Germa and Big Mom packs, but I was hoping for additional packs for characters they skipped over and to finish the EX cards.
I don't understand the "until they announce for back!" part though.
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I knew they wouldn't release a new binder after the Germa and Big Mom packs, but I was hoping for additional packs for characters they skipped over and to finish the EX cards.
I don't understand the "until they announce for back!" part though.
I think it's just "don't expect anything until we make an announcement."
It makes sense I suppose, they'd need to release another binder to fit much beyond what's already coming, and they probably they want to have a full run of marketable boosters to go along with that, which skills and ex cards maybe aren't. Still a little disappointing if true.
However if this gives the art team a chance to get back to the colour volumes and bring them up to date I accept it without question.
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I think it's just "don't expect anything until we make an announcement."
It makes sense I suppose, they'd need to release another binder to fit much beyond what's already coming, and they probably they want to have a full run of marketable boosters to go along with that, which skills and ex cards maybe aren't. Still a little disappointing if true.
However if this gives the art team a chance to get back to the colour volumes and bring them up to date I accept it without question.
They would probably release another binder, even before Wano packs are released. My first binder is already full after the CP9 pack came out, and my second one will likely be full after the remaining packs are released. I maybe misinterpreting the last part of your sentence, but I think they might have to release packs that are mostly skill and EX cards. As mentioned multiple times they are way behind on their skill and EX cards (mostly in regards to their part II packs). With both the Germa and Big Mom packs, I don't know if one will have a part I EX card (for the Alabasta or possibly the Sky Island saga) or if both will be doing part II ex cards (still covering the Summit War or starting the Fish-Man Island saga, depending on which characters are covered in the two Summit War EX cards in the Zou pack).
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They would probably release another binder, even before Wano packs are released. My first binder is already full after the CP9 pack came out, and my second one will likely be full after the remaining packs are released. I maybe misinterpreting the last part of your sentence, but I think they might have to release packs that are mostly skill and EX cards. As mentioned multiple times they are way behind on their skill and EX cards (mostly in regards to their part II packs). With both the Germa and Big Mom packs, I don't know if one will have a part I EX card (for the Alabasta or possibly the Sky Island saga) or if both will be doing part II ex cards (still covering the Summit War or starting the Fish-Man Island saga, depending on which characters are covered in the two Summit War EX cards in the Zou pack).
You're right that they're way behind on the ex cards especially, but what I was trying to say is that packs with only those don't really fit with the way they've been marketing and releasing the packs so far. I could see the ratio of full cards to ex/skill cards shifting like they're doing for the Zou pack, but it still wouldn't produce as many magazine ad-worthy dot points like these. So yeah, hard to say how they're going to handle it from that perspective.
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It's been a fun year, being able to look forward to new info on characters once a month. Hopefully July's and August's packs will be a good capoff until Wano finally reaches this point.
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Holy shit that tiger drawing could be an amazing tattoo.
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I can see them aking a break. after whole cake and germa what other packs would currently make sense?
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You're right that they're way behind on the ex cards especially, but what I was trying to say is that packs with only those don't really fit with the way they've been marketing and releasing the packs so far. I could see the ratio of full cards to ex/skill cards shifting like they're doing for the Zou pack, but it still wouldn't produce as many magazine ad-worthy dot points like these. So yeah, hard to say how they're going to handle it from that perspective.
That's true. It's seems like a lot of planning went into the actual character cards, but (and I don't know how to really describe it) it seems like they might not have actually thought about how to handle the EX cards (with how behind they are). That also includes the slight format change in EX cards starting with the "Shandora Warriors vs. God's Army" and "Menace of Punk Hazard" packs, were they did away with their character profile part (birthday, what sea they originated from, etc.), possibly in an attempt to add more characters to those cards.
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That's true. It's seems like a lot of planning went into the actual character cards, but (and I don't know how to really describe it) it seems like they might not have actually thought about how to handle the EX cards (with how behind they are). That also includes the slight format change in EX cards starting with the "Shandora Warriors vs. God's Army" and "Menace of Punk Hazard" packs, were they did away with their character profile part (birthday, what sea they originated from, etc.), possibly in an attempt to add more characters to those cards.
With all the talk of how long they wanted to do these packs, it really is odd to consider they didn't think that through, but you're totally right, the ex cards go from six characters per side to eight and it looks like that's here to stay. But how is it possible they would just not think of these kinds of things until the set was already in production? Just have to wait and see what they do with it I guess, even if it's just a final all or most ex pack at the end that sells at a loss because of the zero marketability.
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and hopefully they dont miss a number, hahahaha
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and hopefully they dont miss a number, hahahaha
After all the time I spent chronicling these damn things I would shit myself from anger if they made a mistake like that. The issues with the order in Impel Down and Marineford already have me scared.
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After all the time I spent chronicling these damn things I would shit myself from anger if they made a mistake like that. The issues with the order in Impel Down and Marineford already have me scared.
Yeah, I also noticed that as well with the previously unnamed characters from Impel Down, but something else I noticed when it comes to character numbers is that characters I swore appeared earlier (sometimes in previous arcs) getting higher numbers. For example Teach and the original members of the Blackbeard Pirates who were present at Mock Town have higher numbers than Whitebeard despite appearing before he did during the Jaya arc. A similar thing occurred with the officers of the Donquixote Pirates appearing during the Punk Hazard arc, but getting higher numbers than the Corrida Colosseum participants.
The easy answer to is likely that they get their numbers when their names actually appear in the manga (in an Odabox). For example Teach and his crew weren't named until after he slammed Sarquiss into the ground and choose to go after Luffy after seeing his bounty. They appeared in the second databook, which only covered part of the Jaya arc (since the meeting between the Marines and the three Warlords was not included, nor was Bellamy's Devil Fruit mentioned in the DF chapter), and aside from Stronger, they were given names based on what they did during that arc:
- Van Augur → Mysterious Sniper (謎の狙撃手)
- Jesus Burgess → Fighting Champion (格闘チャンピオン)
- Doc Q → Man giving out apple bombs (爆弾リンゴを配る男)
- Marshall D. Teach → Cherry Pie Man (チェリーパイ男)
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Yeah, I also noticed that as well with the previously unnamed characters from Impel Down, but something else I noticed when it comes to character numbers is that characters I swore appeared earlier (sometimes in previous arcs) getting higher numbers. For example Teach and the original members of the Blackbeard Pirates who were present at Mock Town have higher numbers than Whitebeard despite appearing before he did during the Jaya arc. A similar thing occurred with the officers of the Donquixote Pirates appearing during the Punk Hazard arc, but getting higher numbers than the Corrida Colosseum participants.
The easy answer to is likely that they get their numbers when their names actually appear in the manga (in an Odabox). For example Teach and his crew weren't named until after he slammed Sarquiss into the ground and choose to go after Luffy after seeing his bounty. They appeared in the second databook, which only covered part of the Jaya arc (since the meeting between the Marines and the three Warlords was not included, nor was Bellamy's Devil Fruit mentioned in the DF chapter), and aside from Stronger, they were given names based on what they did during that arc:
- Van Augur → Mysterious Sniper (謎の狙撃手)
- Jesus Burgess → Fighting Champion (格闘チャンピオン)
- Doc Q → Man giving out apple bombs (爆弾リンゴを配る男)
- Marshall D. Teach → Cherry Pie Man (チェリーパイ男)
My understanding is that for the most part if goes by where the Odabox/big romanised letters introduction is, unless the character doesn't get one, in which case it is just order of appearance. There also seem to be exceptions for characters whose faces are hidden in their first intro, like how Sakazuki technically did have an Odabox for his appearance in Robin's flashback but certainly isn't numbered in that ballpark.
The Impel Down numbers don't work with any system though. Those are just all over the place.
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That reminds me, Ryuuma is still top 5 sickest designs in the series.
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I've unfortunately been pretty busy the past couple weeks, but I finally found time to work on the Vivre Cards. Here's the full summary!
https://thelibraryofohara.com/2019/06/17/vivre-card-databook-vol-10-all-the-new-information/
Contains new info on the Grand Fleet members, former CP9 members, and, yes, even Jerry.
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Trank you! Very enlightening as ever ;)
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But how is it possible they would just not think of these kinds of things until the set was already in production?
Super duper easily. You'd be amazed at how often seemingly obvious details get overlooked in the planning stage. Also, sitting down and writing out a checklist of every named character its easy to go "main, minor, main, main, minor," because you're puttingin the prep work to get the numbering right. But you don't neccesarrily at that point sit down and do the really thurough full production work of going "oh wait, but how is that going to sort our per pack? There's too many important characters in this arc" or "well, we had PLANNED to give this Dresserossa character his own page because he seems pretty important, but does he REALLY need his own card? If we condense him down to minor suddenly a whole bunch of stuff fits better and we have an extra card to play with" and then the opposite of "Oh crap, we thought this guy was minor but then Oda gave them a huge role at the end of the arc! Gatz the announcer probably deserves a full card!"
Plus also, "what will sell" is more important than "what's important to the completionist". They can always release filler packs later full of random ragamuffins that they then stuff with new Strawhat cards and go "the miscellaneous pack!" and not have to worry about the long term plan.
I worked on a sourcebook project a few years back. And if I had been in charge of it I would have had a full list of characters and an exact page count from the outset. But the guy in charge of it instead just wrote however long they could on any given character, including far, far more details than needed for main characters, and stretching out even the most minor of appearances to a full page. Instead of everyone being a standard one page, with main characters getting 2, and minors getting 1/2 or 1/4…. even the minor characters got full pages and main characters could get anywhere from 4-7. ("But that character only had one line of dialogue in one issue!?! Why would you even include them?" "Well they're named..." "But they're not important! No one cares!" "But... they're named...) And as a result, no one had any idea if the sourcebook was going to be 10 issues or 17, or even what characters would be in there which led to problems for soliciting, and it was a mess. Even though they had a full character checklist at the start and SHOULD have been able to create a really solid plan from the getgo..
And then on the last issue they forgot a fairly major character whose name started with Z, even though they were definitely more important than random background characters that had gotten full pages before!
Or, for a different example, I just saw a book on kickstarted trying to drive up funds for a color printing on the entire book.... even though 98% of the content in it is black and white. But rather than greyscale the one color section, or have just that part printed on nicer quality, the entire black and white book is going to be printed in color.
So this stuff happens all the time. Having a plan, isn't the same as having a super detailed most of the work already done with minutia plan. That IS stuff you discover along the way.
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Basically characters that matter, people care about, popular, etc will get cards while Joe Blow will get an EX card or not because who cares about them.
Just give me the Charlotte set already
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Does this confirms Nero is alive?
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Also I didn't knew Elephants liked bananas.
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I would love to collect those cards, especially the Charlotte set. But as long as it is japaneseexclusive there is really no point in me having those.
I wonder how they'll deal with those though. I wonder if each set of twins/tripletts/quadrupletts/etc will share a card. With obvious exceptions Katakuri, Daifuku, Oven. -
I would love to collect those cards, especially the Charlotte set. But as long as it is japaneseexclusive there is really no point in me having those.
I wonder how they'll deal with those though. I wonder if each set of twins/tripletts/quadrupletts/etc will share a card. With obvious exceptions Katakuri, Daifuku, Oven.I think only the major players will appear also homies might be included here along with vito and gotti
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Super duper easily. You'd be amazed at how often seemingly obvious details get overlooked in the planning stage. Also, sitting down and writing out a checklist of every named character its easy to go "main, minor, main, main, minor," because you're puttingin the prep work to get the numbering right. But you don't neccesarrily at that point sit down and do the really thurough full production work of going "oh wait, but how is that going to sort our per pack? There's too many important characters in this arc" or "well, we had PLANNED to give this Dresserossa character his own page because he seems pretty important, but does he REALLY need his own card? If we condense him down to minor suddenly a whole bunch of stuff fits better and we have an extra card to play with" and then the opposite of "Oh crap, we thought this guy was minor but then Oda gave them a huge role at the end of the arc! Gatz the announcer probably deserves a full card!"
Plus also, "what will sell" is more important than "what's important to the completionist". They can always release filler packs later full of random ragamuffins that they then stuff with new Strawhat cards and go "the miscellaneous pack!" and not have to worry about the long term plan.
I worked on a sourcebook project a few years back. And if I had been in charge of it I would have had a full list of characters and an exact page count from the outset. But the guy in charge of it instead just wrote however long they could on any given character, including far, far more details than needed for main characters, and stretching out even the most minor of appearances to a full page. Instead of everyone being a standard one page, with main characters getting 2, and minors getting 1/2 or 1/4…. even the minor characters got full pages and main characters could get anywhere from 4-7. ("But that character only had one line of dialogue in one issue!?! Why would you even include them?" "Well they're named..." "But they're not important! No one cares!" "But... they're named...) And as a result, no one had any idea if the sourcebook was going to be 10 issues or 17, or even what characters would be in there which led to problems for soliciting, and it was a mess. Even though they had a full character checklist at the start and SHOULD have been able to create a really solid plan from the getgo..
And then on the last issue they forgot a fairly major character whose name started with Z, even though they were definitely more important than random background characters that had gotten full pages before!
Or, for a different example, I just saw a book on kickstarted trying to drive up funds for a color printing on the entire book.... even though 98% of the content in it is black and white. But rather than greyscale the one color section, or have just that part printed on nicer quality, the entire black and white book is going to be printed in color.
So this stuff happens all the time. Having a plan, isn't the same as having a super detailed most of the work already done with minutia plan. That IS stuff you discover along the way.
My point was more "you'd expect them to have something as basic as the list of names and numbers before they started out." Feels like that, being basically the premise of the set, is the bare minimum to do in the planning stage.
I've actually brought up similar thoughts about how characters are designated full and ex cards, how packs are structured and even how marketable future packs can be in previous comments. Just a few posts above what you replied to I was talking to Moriah about marketability.
But regardless, you are absolutely right and it's perhaps a timely reminder that as much as we'd all like to believe all the official content with Oda's seal of approval is still being made by human beings, who make mistakes and cut corners, and businesses, which are run by people who care more about deadlines and margins than what makes the diehard fan happy. We want to believe these things are a passion project (and there is passion in it, don't get me wrong, I think the effort that's gone into just touching up the character art to be useable on the cards is proof of that), but the truth is they were made in a workplace like any other with all the red tape, miscommunication and issues that implies.
At least the vivre cards seem to be a little better thought through than that sourcebook lmao
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Wait so if Sai has a 210.000.000 bounty, how was he able to attend the Reverie?
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Wait so if Sai has a 210.000.000 bounty, how was he able to attend the Reverie?
Being a privateer in service to Kano.
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Wait so if Sai has a 210.000.000 bounty, how was he able to attend the Reverie?
Maybe he took part in the fight between RA and Admirals in Marijoa and got that bounty after that?
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Can't wait for the Germa batch.
I finally want a clear explanation if the supernatural powers like lighting are DNA stuff or raid suit stuff. If it is indeed DNA based I really want to get knowledge about Yonji's ability and what Sanji would have been. If not this explains that Sanji suit isn't that special with his invisibility because all others got nice suit powers as well and that the siblings only have the exoskeleton and superhuman strenght from the DNA manipulation
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There's also Reiju's DF that we know nothing about, other than her having a DF. And possibly learning what bounties they gained after WCI.
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@No:
There's also Reiju's DF that we know nothing about, other than her having a DF. And possibly learning what bounties they gained after WCI.
Yeah true that…
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@No:
There's also Reiju's DF that we know nothing about, other than her having a DF. And possibly learning what bounties they gained after WCI.
I really don't think we will get any bounties for the Vinsmokes in the vivre cards as that may possibly spoil what happened to them, if we do get bounties for them to will be after we find out about their current status in the main storyline.
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My point was more "you'd expect them to have something as basic as the list of names and numbers before they started out." Feels like that, being basically the premise of the set, is the bare minimum to do in the planning stage.
I've actually brought up similar thoughts about how characters are designated full and ex cards, how packs are structured and even how marketable future packs can be in previous comments. Just a few posts above what you replied to I was talking to Moriah about marketability.
But regardless, you are absolutely right and it's perhaps a timely reminder that as much as we'd all like to believe all the official content with Oda's seal of approval is still being made by human beings, who make mistakes and cut corners, and businesses, which are run by people who care more about deadlines and margins than what makes the diehard fan happy. We want to believe these things are a passion project (and there is passion in it, don't get me wrong, I think the effort that's gone into just touching up the character art to be useable on the cards is proof of that), but the truth is they were made in a workplace like any other with all the red tape, miscommunication and issues that implies.
At least the vivre cards seem to be a little better thought through than that sourcebook lmao
Something else that seems to have been forgotten along the way is event cards they mentioned early on. So far they've only released four cards Luffy-taro, Zoro-juro, the Fake Straw Hat Crew (which was re-released with the Impel Down pack) and Law's Skill card (which was released with the Punk Hazard pack). So far their have been no new promo or event cards announced since then.
Also not to obsesse over the EX cards, but aside from what you and Robby have said about them (mainly the marketability of packs with just them and appealing to "what will sell" compared to appeasing completionists), hypothetically how will they actually finish them.
By that I mean when the manga finally finishes and the last pack covering that arc is released and we're still stuck on an EX card covering a previous saga, do they just finish right there or do they release packs that have just EX cards (and possibly other characters that couldn't fit in previous packs). Also with the Thriller Bark pack being the last part I pack (possibly containing the last Alabasta EX card) and future packs onward being part II focused, will they skip over Sky Island, Water 7, and Thriller Bark EX cards and focus more on part II EX cards like Fish-Man Island, Punk Hazard, Dressrosa, etc..
Hopefully what I'm asking doesn't come of as mean or confrontational, I really am asking hypothetically what will happen, because to me it seems like at some point they would have to finish off characters that didn't make the cut (getting their own card) and also Skill cards for characters that have enough attacks to fill a card.
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Something else that seems to have been forgotten along the way is event cards they mentioned early on. So far they've only released four cards Luffy-taro, Zoro-juro, the Fake Straw Hat Crew (which was re-released with the Impel Down pack) and Law's Skill card (which was released with the Punk Hazard pack). So far their have been no new promo or event cards announced since then.
Also not to obsesse over the EX cards, but aside from what you and Robby have said about them (mainly the marketability of packs with just them and appealing to "what will sell" compared to appeasing completionists), hypothetically how will they actually finish them.
They could rerelease every arc with the respective straw hat designs and a summary of what they did during that arc, throw in ability cards, and fill the rest with EX cards.
Not sure how well that would sell, but that would be a halfway unique option
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I really don't think we will get any bounties for the Vinsmokes in the vivre cards as that may possibly spoil what happened to them, if we do get bounties for them to will be after we find out about their current status in the main storyline.
Yeah, that makes sense.
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By that I mean when the manga finally finishes and the last pack covering that arc is released and we're still stuck on an EX card covering a previous saga, do they just finish right there or do they release packs that have just EX cards (and possibly other characters that couldn't fit in previous packs). Also with the Thriller Bark pack being the last part I pack (possibly containing the last Alabasta EX card) and future packs onward being part II focused, will they skip over Sky Island, Water 7, and Thriller Bark EX cards and focus more on part II EX cards like Fish-Man Island, Punk Hazard, Dressrosa, etc..
They will probably do a couple completionist filler ex packs, but cram in new cards for whoever placed in the top five in the most recent character poll or something. So Luffy, Zoro, Hancock, Law, etc.
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Something else that seems to have been forgotten along the way is event cards they mentioned early on. So far they've only released four cards Luffy-taro, Zoro-juro, the Fake Straw Hat Crew (which was re-released with the Impel Down pack) and Law's Skill card (which was released with the Punk Hazard pack). So far their have been no new promo or event cards announced since then.
Also not to obsesse over the EX cards, but aside from what you and Robby have said about them (mainly the marketability of packs with just them and appealing to "what will sell" compared to appeasing completionists), hypothetically how will they actually finish them.
By that I mean when the manga finally finishes and the last pack covering that arc is released and we're still stuck on an EX card covering a previous saga, do they just finish right there or do they release packs that have just EX cards (and possibly other characters that couldn't fit in previous packs). Also with the Thriller Bark pack being the last part I pack (possibly containing the last Alabasta EX card) and future packs onward being part II focused, will they skip over Sky Island, Water 7, and Thriller Bark EX cards and focus more on part II EX cards like Fish-Man Island, Punk Hazard, Dressrosa, etc..
Hopefully what I'm asking doesn't come of as mean or confrontational, I really am asking hypothetically what will happen, because to me it seems like at some point they would have to finish off characters that didn't make the cut (getting their own card) and also Skill cards for characters that have enough attacks to fill a card.
Didn't Oda say he didn't like the promo cards because they were too exclusive? That said, I can certainly see a few showing up as bonuses with tickets to Stampede. Numberless ones for Bullet and his gang for sure, but maybe film outfit versions for some Strawhats or even Buggy's post-timeskip card.
I could see them doing maybe a few filler Wano packs that focus on the crew's aliases there. The Luffytaro and Zorojuro ones set a good precedent, and the recaps at the start of the new volumes using the false names and art of the disguises is also a good sign that the series could be committing to those identities as a media thing for Wano. Having the whole crew back to headline a new set of packs would buy them a lot of space to fill up with ex characters. Plus there has to be at least one more starter pack, and I imagine those are an easier sell than the rest because of the nice binder art.
We can make a safe guess that the Zou and Thriller Bark packs will wrap up the Baroque Works and Marineford EX characters. They've committed pretty hard to going prettymuch in order for them so far, and I don't really see that changing, but who knows. If they were to jump ahead, I would expect Dressrosa and/or Tottoland, since they each had such huge casts with characters that are more fresh in people's memories.
You're certainly not coming across as anything, you're asking valid questions about the future of the databook. The bottom line is just that all we can really do is guess. I don't think there's ever been a book quite in this format on this scale, so the only precedent we can go off of is what the existing packs give us.
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I've unfortunately been pretty busy the past couple weeks, but I finally found time to work on the Vivre Cards. Here's the full summary!
https://thelibraryofohara.com/2019/06/17/vivre-card-databook-vol-10-all-the-new-information/
Contains new info on the Grand Fleet members, former CP9 members, and, yes, even Jerry.
A thousand thanks, man! Lot of interesting info, especially on T-Bone!
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wasn't the rebecca card supposed to be in this pack?
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Spoiler:
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@Kaido:
It was in the pack.
any new info? on library of ohara there was nothing about her
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New Jump scan.
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It's interesting that the zombie cards will have an additional section on the front (aside from "How to Laugh", "The First Person", and "Tone") which appears to be "Shadow" with a picture of the individual whose shadow is animating them (on the right side next to Ryuma's waist is picture of Brook). In Kumashi's case I wonder if it will reveal whose shadow he possessed, such as the characters shown after Moria's defeat (such as the pirate captain Goo or Marine chief petty officer Asahija) or a previously unnamed background character (like one of the members of the Thriller Bark Victim's Association).
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strange that no one repported anything from rebecca's card..i wanted to see if it's confirmed if she has haki or not.
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Better quality covers:
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Release order compilation:
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Maybe Sanji and Zoro cover WCI and Wano packs
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Maybe Sanji and Zoro cover WCI and Wano packs
I would put money on the two confirmed Whole Cake packs featuring Big Mom and Reiju on their covers. For Wano, it'll depend how they break it up and what filler packs they do, but I'd be shocked if Kaido wasn't on one of them.
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They'll probably gonna add Luffy-Tarou and Zoro-Jourou to the Wano pack like they added other exclusive releases in the past, maybe with the rest of the Straw hats and key figures (Orochi, Kyoshiro, Nine Scabbards…) and have a separate Beasts Pirates pack like Whitebeard's and Big Mom's crew.
