There's been a couple of fishman hybrids like the Big Pan (Giant), Chat, Sabi and Dellinger. I can see Kawamatsu being a Mink/fishman possibly
Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 7 - Wano)
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I am not sure why Carrot isn't an official Straw Hat member by now. She has spent so long as part of the crew and has no particular motivation to ever leave. Unless something terrible happens to her during Wano, I just don't see any reason for her not to just keep going along with them to Elbaf or whatever might lie between Wano and Elbaf. But the fact that Jinbe who hasn't spent half as much time as part of the crew is recognized as an official member and she is not is just sort of weird.
Vivi is either going to die or is going to end up as a member of the crew. Her role in the story is absolutely bizarre now that apparently the take-away from Whole Cake Island is "forget about being responsible, forget about doing what is right, forget about acting to keep the people around you safe– just recklessly and carelessly do what you want regardless of the consequences" since her dream was to join the Straw Hats and instead she chose to do the responsible thing.
Ceasar in one form or another is going to end up as part of the Straw Hats. Probably not the official "Straw Hats" but no doubt he'll be a subordinate of Luffy by the time Luffy gets the One Piece-- part of that "Straw Hat Grand Fleet". He has simply spent too much time traveling with them (even if as a prisoner) and put himself on the line too often to help them out (even if against his own free will) and as much as he might protest, it is very clear that he cares about what the Straw Hat members think of him.
It seems like there kind of has to be a story arc where Luffy has to take on the mythical and mysterious Dr. Vegapunk-- and that will likely see the return of Germa66 and Ceasar's further redemption arc.
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I mean it's not like she works for Neko/Inu or anything.
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Caesar get a redemption arc? We just got a panel where he's displayed evenly alongside Doflamingo and Kaido as one of the masterminds behind SMILE and responsible for their effects. He's already been positioned as one of the most reprehensible characters in the series, all the way back to him kidnapping and experimenting on children, with no sign of remorse. Were not getting a redemption arc for Caesar.
Vivi is either going to die or is going to end up as a member of the crew. Her role in the story is absolutely bizarre now that apparently the take-away from Whole Cake Island is "forget about being responsible, forget about doing what is right, forget about acting to keep the people around you safe– just recklessly and carelessly do what you want regardless of the consequences" since her dream was to join the Straw Hats and instead she chose to do the responsible thing.
well that's certainly a reading of Whole Cake. not one i particularly agree with, but it's there.
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Caesar get a redemption arc? We just got a panel where he's displayed evenly alongside Doflamingo and Kaido as one of the masterminds behind SMILE and responsible for their effects. He's already been positioned as one of the most reprehensible characters in the series, all the way back to him kidnapping and experimenting on children, with no sign of remorse. Were not getting a redemption arc for Caesar.
More reprehensible than a character who starved most of a nation by causing rain to fall only in one region, ran a murderous criminal cartel of assassins and ignited a civil war for the purposes of gaining a super weapon to lord over the world with?
Or a woman who does everything possible to make herself physically attractive and then murders every person who is physically attracted to her by permanently turning them into a statue for her own kicks and giggles because, really for very little reason, she has decided that half of the people born deserve to die for having the wrong genitalia?
More evil than a person who masterminded an attack of at least 100 pirates on a port town simply so that he could rip their still beating hearts from their chest and deliver them to the World Government simply to get a position of power he fully intended to abuse for his own personal vengeance? And who regularly scrambles the bodies of anyone who gets in his way of generally causing chaos and destruction in the world, forcing them to live out the rest of their lives with their limbs or heads in the wrong places or replaced with inanimate objects?
More evil than a woman who regularly genocides entire islands for not giving her enough candy and demands the presence of people on a whim and murders their families if they fail to appear before her as she likes?
Have you been reading the same story? Because someone trying to turn kids into giants using addictive candy is rather low on the totem pole of crimes committed by the people that Luffy ultimately calls "friends"… in fact, low on the totem pole of crimes committed while Luffy is calling those people "friends".
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Yeah no CC is worse than all of those people.
I imagine he'll go the route of Wapol and rebound into casual evil.
Or go the Lucci route and sell himself to someone eviler than before
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I think Vivi and some other royals might do something separate from the WG. Like an unification of some kingdoms. If not, that can be a replacement for the Warlord system. Problem is that some kingdoms might not have champions that can match the Warlord's reach and strength
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Yeah no CC is worse than all of those people.
I imagine he'll go the route of Wapol and rebound into casual evil.
Or go the Lucci route and sell himself to someone eviler than before
Neither Wapol nor Lucci repeatedly saved the lives of the Straw Hats, traveled aboard their ship nor seemed so desperate to get any sort of praise, acknowledgement or respect from the crew.
Wapol and Lucci would try to kill Luffy if they had the chance. Even after his heart was returned to him and Ceasar could have done whatever he wanted to try to get revenge on Luffy and his crew– literally only had to act to slow them down so that Big Mom would kill them-- made no ill action at all.
The fact that Caesar clearly wants those things makes him a likely eventual subordinate. Not likely on the main crew, but that "Straw Hat Grand Fleet" is likely to grow.
As for Carrot, she has no reason to go back to Zou. If Wano turns out well for the Minks, then Zou is safe. If it turns out badly, then she will have no where to go back to. Either way, she jumped on the ship because she wanted to see the world-- not to safe the big elephant.
Now, granted, neither of these characters have any particular major goal they need to achieve in the world that would drive them to go through the hardships to get to Raftel. But neither does Jinbe! Jinbe's reasons for joining the crew are paper thin.
Truth is that there is no need for any more main characters in the cast for the last 3-4 arcs left in the story. In fact-- it seems that Oda has well acknowledged that he can't even juggle the ones he has now. He dumped half the cast for Dressarosa, half the cast for Whole Cake Island and while all but 1 were there for Zou, its not like there was much left for them to do once he did show up.
So at this point, at most characters are going to take positions like Bartholemu and Cavendesh-- part of that "Straw Hat Grand Fleet" that will serve Luffy as his army in the final battle. And at that points, perhaps all of the Worst Generation and the Minks and the Sun Pirates and Shichibukai and so on will be united under him. He will be the "Pirate King" after all.
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But neither does Jinbe! Jinbe's reasons for joining the crew are paper thin.
As for Caesar, there is something really low that hits a little close to home in regards to what he did to the kids. He basically got them hooked on meth. He'll help the Straw Hats sure but in all this time he's shown no remorse for the things he's done. Last we checked he actually hates using his scientific skills to help others. At least when Crocodile attempted to kill his subordinates it was a known function of the organization upon sign up. Caesar pretends to love his men and does nasty experiments on them.
I'm not sure what redemption you are expecting but I think it's a 0% chance of it happening.
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That and y'know the crew despises him.
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I mean it's not like she works for Neko/Inu or anything.
Is Carrot even with Inuarashi and Kin'emon right now?
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@S.C.:
Is Carrot even with Inuarashi and Kin'emon right now?
Sadly there ain't no Carrot and there never was. Read back to Zou and Whole Cake. She isn't there is she?
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Have you been reading the same story? Because someone trying to turn kids into giants using addictive candy is rather low on the totem pole of crimes committed by the people that Luffy ultimately calls "friends"… in fact, low on the totem pole of crimes committed while Luffy is calling those people "friends".
In terms of Crocodile and Big Mom:
More reprehensible than a character who starved most of a nation by causing rain to fall only in one region, ran a murderous criminal cartel of assassins and ignited a civil war for the purposes of gaining a super weapon to lord over the world with?
More evil than a woman who regularly genocides entire islands for not giving her enough candy and demands the presence of people on a whim and murders their families if they fail to appear before her as she likes?
I don't get what you're trying to prove here. Crocodile and Big Mom were supposed to be seen as reprehensible for doing those things. Luffy didn't think what Crocodile did was okay or forgive him for this. He only even let Croc out of his jail cell because Ivankov persuaded him to, and still didn't like working with him even after that. They didn't really part as friends or anything. And Big Mom in her normal form was portrayed as having a messed-up past, yes, but still evil anyway, and not excusable for it. If she's being treated as redeemable right now, it's because her amnesia has more-or-less reverted her to being the relatively-nicer little girl she was before she did all the bad things she did, and thus doesn't remember doing them. And Chopper is still really uncomfortable around her anyway because of everything she's done.
Or a woman who does everything possible to make herself physically attractive and then murders every person who is physically attracted to her by permanently turning them into a statue for her own kicks and giggles because, really for very little reason, she has decided that half of the people born deserve to die for having the wrong genitalia?
More evil than a person who masterminded an attack of at least 100 pirates on a port town simply so that he could rip their still beating hearts from their chest and deliver them to the World Government simply to get a position of power he fully intended to abuse for his own personal vengeance? And who regularly scrambles the bodies of anyone who gets in his way of generally causing chaos and destruction in the world, forcing them to live out the rest of their lives with their limbs or heads in the wrong places or replaced with inanimate objects?
First of all, this is a great case of "accentuate the negative and ignore the positive". We've actually seen positive qualities in both Hancock and Law. Have we seen, like…any truly positive or redeemable traits in Caesar? Any at all?
And second of all, the fact of the matter is, if we're looking at who's likely to be "redeemed" to continue hanging out with the Straw Hats, we have to judge by protagonist-centered morality, not real world-centered morality. You could use one of those same "accentuate the negative" descriptions, like "Breaks into a prison, and lets and even helps a bunch of prisoners who are likely genuinely horrible people escape from said prison to terrorize innocent civilians, just to save his brother's life, and really doesn't give a shit about the consequences of doing so" to describe Luffy. Sounds bad by our standards, but Luffy is our protagonist. (And again, we know that Luffy actually has good qualities.) So, from Luffy's point-of-view:
Hancock was someone he initially saw as being the total bitch you described her as. Then he found out that she wasn't completely unreasonable and has a very sympathetic backstory where she was made the way she is thanks to being tortured by a group of people that he hates far more than her. And then she agreed to fight in a war and put herself at potentially great risk just to help him save his brother, and repeatedly saved/helped him along the way. And also let him recover from said war on her island, gave him lots of food multiple times (that's probably the crowner, really :ninja:), escorted him back to meet his friends two years later, and helped him escape. Of course he considers her a good friend and greatly values her.
With Law, for one thing, we don't even know anything about those 100 pirates whose hearts he took. For all we know, Law went after the 100 most disgusting, horrible pirates he could find and they completely deserved what happened to them. But even if that's not the case, Luffy has no real reason to care about that, like at all, unless one of the pirates Law targeted was a friend or something. But then, in terms of actual interactions, Law's someone who was only ever courteous to Luffy when they just met as rivals. Then he goes out of his way to rescue Luffy at Marineford despite not having any apparent reason to, and saved his life further by treating his wounds and Jimbei's life by doing the same. And went on to become Luffy's ally and brother-in-arms, who wanted to take down a total scumbag of a man (Doflamingo) even more than Luffy himself did. Obviously Luffy is going to see him as better than Caesar, whom they fought against together.
Compare both of them to Caesar, who was far more of an enemy than either of the two above, who poisoned innocent children and has no remorse for it or for any of the other shit he's done, and who's given the Straw Hats no reason to forgive or overlook that and they clearly don't. Hell, Luffy sometimes hasn't even bothered to remember Caesar's name (like in the beginning of Zou), and Nami and Chopper actively hate him even more than the rest of the crew. You can't really compare Caesar's relationship with the crew to Law's and Hancock's, especially when Luffy actually respects the latter two and has basically no respect at all for the former.
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Oda already confirmed that Caesar is an irredeemable asshole
@Eiichiro Oda:
Please remember what happened on Punk Hazard. Caesar fed the children stimulants, called his subordinates guinea pigs, and dedicates his whole life to creating a weapon of genocide. He truly is a man where it would be better off if he was dead.
(Source: SBS Volume 89)
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Why campaign for Caeser when Gastino is better in every way.
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Vivi is either going to die or is going to end up as a member of the crew. Her role in the story is absolutely bizarre now that apparently the take-away from Whole Cake Island is "forget about being responsible, forget about doing what is right, forget about acting to keep the people around you safe– just recklessly and carelessly do what you want regardless of the consequences" since her dream was to join the Straw Hats and instead she chose to do the responsible thing.
Terrible take.. like this is obscene in how wrong it is.
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that Cedar guy on Zou seemed to have potential. wonder what happened to him?
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wait, hold on, that actually strengthens the point. Caesar had the opportunity to take responsibility for his bio-weapon on Zou and redeem himself by helping the citizens, but was instead forced to against his will to help and assumed a false identity to preserve his image as a cruel, sadistic human being.
edit: i was going for the post merge, sorry this could have gone in my last post
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Plus his dream is clearly to build a genocidal weapon. A man's dreams never die…so Straw Hat CC would take the series on a pretty dark turn...
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The "CC for nakama" joke stopped being funny years ago. I mean, people still pushing him as the next crewmate are joking, right?
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@Kaido:
Plus his dream is clearly to build a genocidal weapon. A man's dreams never die…so Straw Hat CC would take the series on a pretty dark turn...
Hey, it just said his dream was to build a weapon of genocide, didn't say anything about what happens next :ninja:
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CC is gonna do some experimental stuff with Uranus in the future ain't he
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Another thing we always forget to talk about here is fighting styles, we need something that's different from the other members that can be used to make a variety of different attacks
Which is why I can't see most of these guys as crew members, how can you make dozens of different attacks for Mochica balls that tame animals, or create fun diverse fights by making people older or younger, or vivi's peacock slashers, Hiyori hasn't even shown battle capabilities at all and Kinemon would be the third swordsman on the team (and one of them already enhances his swordplay with an element)
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While this is is a good point, any character who lacks original techniques as they join may unlock more in the future.
Nami joined with literally zero techniques.
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While this is is a good point, any character who lacks original techniques as they join may unlock more in the future.
Nami joined with literally zero techniques.
And Brook didn't have any of his ghost or music-related moves at first. He was just a swordman.Yeah but the whole thing with Nani not knowing how to fight was early on in the series, now there in the new world, everyone will need to know how to fight, but your definitely right about Brook
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So Carrot is on the cover of one of the next vivre card sets.
Probably means nothing but interesting she's larger than Nekomamushi
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@Long:
So Carrot is on the cover of one of the next vivre card sets.
Probably means nothing but interesting she's larger than Nekomamushi
I was waiting for someone to say this
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@Long:
So Carrot is on the cover of one of the next vivre card sets.
Probably means nothing but interesting she's larger than Nekomamushi
You just had to go there didn't you. You couldn't just leave it at there needs to be someone on the Zou cover and she's the most prominent Zou character. I'm going to go eat a rabbit.
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You just had to go there didn't you. You couldn't just leave it at there needs to be someone on the Zou cover and she's the most prominent Zou character. I'm going to go eat a rabbit.
But but don't you see the signs?
Like AGOG in the past?
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While this is is a good point, any character who lacks original techniques as they join may unlock more in the future.
Nami joined with literally zero techniques.
And Brook didn't have any of his ghost or music-related moves at first. He was just a swordman.Actually, Nami joined the crew with two techniques that should have been super useful.
She was a thief, meaning she could break into places and swipe things off of people without them noticing.
She was also a navigator, which means she was key to getting the ship from location to location.….
Well, problem is-- Oda somehow, rather inexplicably, somehow managed to create only 1 instance of a situation where Nami could contribute with her thief skills.
Furthermore, as soon as they were the Grandline-- they are told that the whole thing is impossible to navigate and the only choice one has is to blindly follow the log-post to the next island-- something that probably even a dog would be capable of doing.Nami started off with skills that could have, should have, been super useful and critical to success in the adventure.
Yet Oda did everything imaginable to make her skills worthless.
Worst. DM. Ever.Anyway, that's why she was eventually given a weather wand to compensate for the fact he made her utterly worthless.
Thing is though-- Usopp is the one who created the thing-- Nami didn't even know how the thing was supposed to work or what its various functions were.
One can easily surmise that Usopp could be using that thing if he wanted and would probably be better at using it. (Also, how is it a guy who can create a metal bar capable of altering the weather is stuck fighting with a damn slingshot?)I am convinced that Oda doesn't even remember that Nami's specialty was supposed to be thievery. The movies have done a better job at keeping that aspect of her character alive than he has.
So, while Nami might well be worthless in the strictly canon adventures, it is only because Oda actively worked to make her worthless and when she joined the crew she absolutely had skills that no one else had that, had Oda not gone out of his way to nullify those skills having any impact, should have been very important to the crew.
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Actually, Nami joined the crew with two techniques that should have been super useful.
She was a thief, meaning she could break into places and swipe things off of people without them noticing.
She was also a navigator, which means she was key to getting the ship from location to location.….
Well, problem is-- Oda somehow, rather inexplicably, somehow managed to create only 1 instance of a situation where Nami could contribute with her thief skills.
Furthermore, as soon as they were the Grandline-- they are told that the whole thing is impossible to navigate and the only choice one has is to blindly follow the log-post to the next island-- something that probably even a dog would be capable of doing.Nami started off with skills that could have, should have, been super useful and critical to success in the adventure.
Yet Oda did everything imaginable to make her skills worthless.
Worst. DM. Ever.Anyway, that's why she was eventually given a weather wand to compensate for the fact he made her utterly worthless.
Thing is though-- Usopp is the one who created the thing-- Nami didn't even know how the thing was supposed to work or what its various functions were.
One can easily surmise that Usopp could be using that thing if he wanted and would probably be better at using it. (Also, how is it a guy who can create a metal bar capable of altering the weather is stuck fighting with a damn slingshot?)I am convinced that Oda doesn't even remember that Nami's specialty was supposed to be thievery. The movies have done a better job at keeping that aspect of her character alive than he has.
So, while Nami might well be worthless in the strictly canon adventures, it is only because Oda actively worked to make her worthless and when she joined the crew she absolutely had skills that no one else had that, had Oda not gone out of his way to nullify those skills having any impact, should have been very important to the crew.
I disagree with this. I feel like being a thief and navigator relates back to her real talent, which is her ingenuity. We've seen it against Khalifa and Doublefinger. Timing, positioning, cunning, crafty, it was all there. All leads back to her ingenuity and acuity from being a thief. Usopp being able to precisely craft something that fits her is a talent of his as well. He's sees the potential in others well. That can be why his lies become true. He sees these things as possible, but isn't confident or brave enough to exactly stand by it immediately. So Nami was never useless, she just needed someone like Usopp who could see what she needed and help her.
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I disagree with this. I feel like being a thief and navigator relates back to her real talent, which is her ingenuity. We've seen it against Khalifa and Doublefinger. Timing, positioning, cunning, crafty, it was all there. All leads back to her ingenuity and acuity from being a thief. Usopp being able to precisely craft something that fits her is a talent of his as well. He's sees the potential in others well. That can be why his lies become true. He sees these things as possible, but isn't confident or brave enough to exactly stand by it immediately. So Nami was never useless, she just needed someone like Usopp who could see what she needed and help her.
Maybe, but consider this– in Whole Cake Island, one of the goals was to steal something that was absolutely key to the Straw Hats ultimate victory.
And Nami is there... but who goes and successfully steals it?
Brook.Now, she did sort of successfully steal Brook from Big Mom, but... not really. In reality she failed even that and needed to be rescued.
Ultimately Nami has needed to be rescued far, far more than she has directly contributed to the success of the mission.And while there are moment for her navigation skill, like the very moment they first entered the New World-- its basically immediately forgotten about and never brought up again. Apparently that ultra chaotic weather was only at the very, very entrance of the New World and if you survive to the first island, you never hit such weather ever again.
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Maybe, but consider this– in Whole Cake Island, one of the goals was to steal something that was absolutely key to the Straw Hats ultimate victory.
And Nami is there... but who goes and successfully steals it?
Brook.Now, she did sort of successfully steal Brook from Big Mom, but... not really. In reality she failed even that and needed to be rescued.
Ultimately Nami has needed to be rescued far, far more than she has directly contributed to the success of the mission.And while there are moment for her navigation skill, like the very moment they first entered the New World-- its basically immediately forgotten about and never brought up again. Apparently that ultra chaotic weather was only at the very, very entrance of the New World and if you survive to the first island, you never hit such weather ever again.
As far as getting the Poneglyph rubbings, that was on Oda. He separated them and formed a Sanji retrieval team and Poneglyph team. It wasn't Nami's role, so it wasn't a failure on her part, since Oda didn't set her up for it. I think Oda was more worried about making Lola's Vivre Card paying off with the homies for Nami's role. I do agree that she would be dope, perfect and fitting for the PG team with Brook and Pedro tho. I wonder if he had to weigh those 2 options. PG team and Lola/vivre card/homie purpose. That would be a hard decision for me to make honestly. Something that was built up a whole bunch of arcs back is hard to pass on.
As for the Brook retrieval, I blame Oda again. It's about priorities. Based on the story, he was building up Jinbei even more, from my perspective. To do better than Carrot, Pedro and Chopper should be noted tho. Her and Jinbe while escaping the fleet showed how good she was at navigating. I don't see Franky being a shipwright as a knock against Usopp being handy, so I don't see Jinbei's helmsman talent taking away from Nami's navigation talent. They compliment each other.
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Actually, Nami joined the crew with two techniques that should have been super useful.
She was a thief, meaning she could break into places and swipe things off of people without them noticing.
She was also a navigator, which means she was key to getting the ship from location to location.….
Well, problem is-- Oda somehow, rather inexplicably, somehow managed to create only 1 instance of a situation where Nami could contribute with her thief skills.
Furthermore, as soon as they were the Grandline-- they are told that the whole thing is impossible to navigate and the only choice one has is to blindly follow the log-post to the next island-- something that probably even a dog would be capable of doing.Nami started off with skills that could have, should have, been super useful and critical to success in the adventure.
Yet Oda did everything imaginable to make her skills worthless.
Worst. DM. Ever.Anyway, that's why she was eventually given a weather wand to compensate for the fact he made her utterly worthless.
Thing is though-- Usopp is the one who created the thing-- Nami didn't even know how the thing was supposed to work or what its various functions were.
One can easily surmise that Usopp could be using that thing if he wanted and would probably be better at using it. (Also, how is it a guy who can create a metal bar capable of altering the weather is stuck fighting with a damn slingshot?)I am convinced that Oda doesn't even remember that Nami's specialty was supposed to be thievery. The movies have done a better job at keeping that aspect of her character alive than he has.
So, while Nami might well be worthless in the strictly canon adventures, it is only because Oda actively worked to make her worthless and when she joined the crew she absolutely had skills that no one else had that, had Oda not gone out of his way to nullify those skills having any impact, should have been very important to the crew.
This is the stupidest post I've seen since the last Carrot post. Nami has to forge her own damn weapon for it to count now? Following the log pose is no big deal? What if they run into a storm or something along the way, or run into stuff like the knock up stream? And she's contributed with her cat thief skills plenty of times. Enies Lobby, FI, Whole Cake. Dafuq .
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I mean Nami stole Zeus from Big Mom….so there's that....
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Without Nami they would have sunk way before getting to Whiskey Peak. Her role is surely not about 'thieveness'
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Without Nami they would have sunk way before getting to Whiskey Peak. Her role is surely not about 'thieveness'
There's a difference between role and talents. She is a navigator, but she is a talented thief and both link back to her acuity.
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Has anybody thought about that Mihawk is probably the worlds strongest navigator? Dude steers that little dinky coffin boat of his from the new world to east blue without any assistance. He must've gotten the navigation merit badge to aid him in his rowing around and sword hassling people business
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Has anybody thought about that Mihawk is probably the worlds strongest navigator? Dude steers that little dinky coffin boat of his from the new world to east blue without any assistance. He must've gotten the navigation merit badge to aid him in his rowing around and sword hassling people business
For all we know he was trying to go to a Shanks party, took a wrong turn and ended in the crappy paradise where he used Krieg to pass his nerve and get some booze.
He actually sucks at direction like Zoro but he is so badass no one realize.
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I mean Nami stole Zeus from Big Mom….so there's that....
And she stole control of the homies away from Big Mom's side and did espionage in Wano.
Funny how those things are conveniently ignored from Solgarde's post.
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For all we know he was trying to go to a Shanks party, took a wrong turn and ended in the crappy paradise where he used Krieg to pass his nerve and get some booze.
He actually sucks at direction like Zoro but he is so badass no one realize.
A good general life rule is don't question the man who could stab you.
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Carrot will join on a foretop. She'll be on a watchout. She assumed this role many times since she came aboard, and now she has a dead important person (Pedro), so she is perfect for Strawhats.
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Yea, that argument has been debunked in this place multiple times now lol.
Read the previous thread. That is probably the single best thing you can do if you want to bring up that topic.
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Carrot will join on a foretop. She'll be on a watchout. She assumed this role many times since she came aboard, and now she has a dead important person (Pedro), so she is perfect for Strawhats.
I already did this and even mods got involved lol. It's obvious that these things happened and i'd love to win more debates on it
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Yea, that argument has been debunked in this place multiple times now lol.
Read the previous thread. That is probably the single best thing you can do if you want to bring up that topic.
Just because it's been argued ad nauseam, that does not mean it has been debunked. Merely that you (and others) don't consider the argument to be convincing.
Also, the previous thread was 26000 posts long, so I think we can cut the newcomers from OJ some slack…
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If you were to remove the repetition, the mudslinging and the dudes patting their own backs you'd probably get it down to an even 10.000 posts
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Just because it's been argued ad nauseam, that does not mean it has been debunked. Merely that you (and others) don't consider the argument to be convincing.
Also, the previous thread was 26000 posts long, so I think we can cut the newcomers from OJ some slack…
Actually, it has been debunked numerous times already. Just like it was debunked for Perona, Hancock, Rebecca, Camie and every other character that had boobs. History repeats itself consistently. Carrot is no different.
Ah, well they better get started then. I would say to anyone, whether new or old, to check out the previous threads. All the arguments have been already made and debunked. If they still think that they got something to add then it would be fine to post. Otherwise, I don't see the point in having to repeat the same points over and over again.
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Last time I tried to marathon more than 20 pages of this thread at once, I gave myself a migraine…
Even just diving back in to clean out the trash feels like it'd give me an aneurysm or three. :p
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Actually, it has been debunked numerous times already. Just like it was debunked for Perona, Hancock, Rebecca, Camie and every other character that had boobs. History repeats itself consistently. Carrot is no different.
So the argument that's been debunked isn't based around Carrot's specific circumstances but merely the fact that she's the most recent in a long line of females the fandom became enamored with?
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Have you missed that one part where Nami prevented the ship to being swallowed by a hurricane after Little Garden?