Also, the Russia investigation is going to hit full force so that's gonna have a Watergate effect around the time of the 2020 elections.
American Politics thread: No Nazis Allowed
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With all this talk of the Senate, it also occurs to me that just winning the Presidency in 2020 would fix a few issues in the Senate. That big Supreme Court one, at least.
Oh, also it looks like Colorado finally abolished slavery. Good, I was worried for a minute. In addition this is a huge loss for the redcaps.
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Not a bad idea. I warn you, it's expensive up here.
Not counting New Hampshire and the odd dot here and there, New England is becoming like a Liberal haven. It kinda was already.
Where? If you're talking Charlie Baker, he's already governor.
Lamont is getting a shellacking in Zephosland by his Republican opponent (who was OF COURSE endorsed by the Lieberman monster).
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It's time to go into the Wisconsin diners and interview the 200k voters who voted for both Tammy Baldwin and Scott Walker.
Are you in WI too?
Yeah its an odd thing to vote for Walker and Baldwin at same time. Weill I'm not one to interview since I voted Dem all across the board.I just looked into https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2018-election/midterms/wi and the governor race is too close to call with Tony Evers 49.2% vs Scott Walker 48.8.
After all the shit done, and that recall movement, I'm really disappointed with other Wisconsinites right now. I'm trying not to sit on edge of seat and continually hit refresh button.
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I wonder if Beto will actually make an attempt for the presidency. I don't personally want to vote for someone with no experience, but I think he has the support base if he actually wants to try for it.
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According to NPR we officially have the House majority at 25 seats gained (we needed 23 at the start). If patterns hold that should only climb. I think the highest number expected was 30-35.
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I wonder if Beto will actually make an attempt for the presidency. I don't personally want to vote for someone with no experience, but I think he has the support base if he actually wants to try for it.
He's said he has no intention of running, given he just spent the last two years away from his family.
But give him a few months to recover and see if he changes his mind.
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Wisconsin governor race now within a 300 vote difference with 99% reporting.
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A quick local (Idaho) update before I head to bed.
All the key elections are roughly 60/40 in favor of the Republican candidate. Not unexpected. However, there's also a ballot measure to expand Medicaid in this election and it's also at approx. 60/40, with 25% reporting, in favor of passing and has been like that from the get go.
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It's not a proper election night without a Green Party member playing spoiler (one who dropped out a week ago and endorsed the Democrat, no less)
McSally, Martha (REP)
658,030
49.14%Sinema, Kyrsten (DEM)
650,400
48.57%Green, Angela (GRN)
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Nancy, may I call you Nancy?
Your speech was nice. It was. Real folksy "Togetherness" feel right there.
But… it seems to be aimed at a world where both "sides" are made up of people who have disagreements, but respect one another and can have a dialog.
That's not the way things work anymore. Republicans don't give a shit about cooperation. They are out for blood and have been for a while now.
Pull your head out of your ass and realize you need to play hardball NOW or step out of the fucking way for someone who will to take over the party.
Signed: A rational fucking person.
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Nancy, may I call you Nancy?
Your speech was nice. It was. Real folksy "Togetherness" feel right there.
But… it seems to be aimed at a world where both "sides" are made up of people who have disagreements, but respect one another and can have a dialog.
That's not the way things work anymore. Republicans don't give a shit about cooperation. They are out for blood and have been for a while now.
Pull your head out of your ass and realize you need to play hardball NOW or step out of the fucking way for someone who will to take over the party.
Signed: A rational fucking person.
Co-signed .
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Pelosi is much more shrewd than you make her seem. She's not Schumer.
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Looks like Scott Walker lost after some outstanding Milwaukee votes came in at the very end of the vote counting.
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Looks like the senate losses aren't going to be TOO bad. We got Nevada and Arizona is looking likely for Dems holding onto about 47 seats.
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There's a lot of good under-the-hood news for Democrats in these results even in states where Republicans won at the state level; Idaho and Utah expanded Medicaid, Michigan passed major voting rights and anti-gerrymandering initiatives, North Carolina dealt a serious blow to the GOP's chances of maintaining gerrymandering there, Florida easily restored voting rights, and a fair number of state houses moved towards or outright went to the Democrats.
Progressive ideas are popular; the problem is that the media really helps the GOP in framing those things as not being progressive.
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Looks like Sinema might not win in AZ after all.
@Ubiq:There's a lot of good under-the-hood news for Democrats in these results even in states where Republicans won at the state level; Idaho and Utah expanded Medicaid, Michigan passed major voting rights and anti-gerrymandering initiatives, North Carolina dealt a serious blow to the GOP's chances of maintaining gerrymandering there, Florida easily restored voting rights, and a fair number of state houses moved towards or outright went to the Democrats.
Progressive ideas are popular; the problem is that the media really helps the GOP in framing those things as not being progressive.
Pretty much. If people actually voted the party who's policies they agree with most, there'd be a lot more Dems in red states.
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https://www.vox.com/2018/11/7/18055426/midterm-election-results-wisconsin-governor-tony-evers-winner
Well, I went to sleep, woke up, and now Scott Walker lost his governor race. That's a feeling I don't think I'll be able to replicate again.
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Looks like Sinema might not win in AZ after all.
The Green Party is one of the GOP's most faithful demographics.
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https://www.vox.com/2018/11/7/18055426/midterm-election-results-wisconsin-governor-tony-evers-winner
Well, I went to sleep, woke up, and now Scott Walker lost his governor race. That's a feeling I don't think I'll be able to replicate again.
Finally fucking ly.
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https://www.vox.com/2018/11/7/18055426/midterm-election-results-wisconsin-governor-tony-evers-winner
Well, I went to sleep, woke up, and now Scott Walker lost his governor race. That's a feeling I don't think I'll be able to replicate again.
I've been holding off going to sleep (blame insomnia) but this is good news to me, good enough that I can easily fall asleep.
Its about time we got rid of Walker but damn did he cling on strong despite the hammers in our hands banging away on his fingers since the failed recall effort.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/07/politics/georgia-governors-race-stacey-abrams/index.html
Stacey Abrams isn't giving up, good. I'm sick of these corrupt assholes winning.
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Ned Lamont won in CT after all.
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I've been holding off going to sleep (blame insomnia) but this is good news to me, good enough that I can easily fall asleep.
Its about time we got rid of Walker but damn did he cling on strong despite the hammers in our hands banging away on his fingers since the failed recall effort.
'Grats!
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Ned Lamont won in CT after all.
The dead pimp from Nevada won with 70%.
I respect these men for different reasons. Trumka for putting Walker down, Lamont for his win, and Dennis Hof for winning from beyond the grave. Who can say they've done that?
It sucks that the GOP get his seat, but if 70% of the people voted for him it was hopeless anyway.
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Dean Heller has also been sent packing.
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Good to see the Democrats taking the house and several women and minorities get a chance to enact change in the government. Here's hoping they pick their battles and don't waste their political capital on petty shit.
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Tester might still win in Montana after all. Arizona's final results will take a couple more days. Florida might fall back on its greatest hits, going into a recount.
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Proud of both my former state (Michigan) and my current state (New Mexico) for flipping and electing Democrats for Governor this time.
Unfortunately, looks like, despite a close race, my NM district gets a Republican in the House of Reps again, but oh well. At least our other two districts get Democrats (yay for having so few people here that we only get 3 Representatives in the House, lulz), we still have two Democrat Senators after this election, and pretty much all of our state officials (Attorney General, Sec. of State, etc.) are Democrats, including some spots formerly held by Republicans.
Bummer that Democrats lost seats in the Senate overall, but yeah, at least we won the House?
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Montana has been called for Tester.
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This is definitely a mixed success and it's really hard to take away any clear messages from the midterms. Democrats won the House but lost almost every high-profile election. State-level elections frequently matched 2016 results. I'm inclined to believe Democrats need to provide a clearer message/branding beyond just Anti-Trump, since America's just as racist as ever and those bigots live for Trump.
Let me throw this one out though: Harris-O'Rourke 2020!
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This is definitely a mixed success and it's really hard to take away any clear messages from the midterms. Democrats won the House but lost almost every high-profile election. State-level elections frequently matched 2016 results. I'm inclined to believe Democrats need to provide a clearer message/branding beyond just Anti-Trump, since America's just as racist as ever and those bigots live for Trump.
Let me throw this one out though: Harris-O'Rourke 2020!
Democrats won:
Over 30 House seats in a gerrymandered map and won the House popular vote by 8%
7 Governorships
333 legislative seats
And have a net loss of 2 or 3 Senate seats on a map that was one of the most lopsided everAnd here is proof that Democratic messaging barely mentioned Trump at all. In fact, it's the least a president has been mentioned in attack ads in 15 years.
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No one is going to comment on the fact that every candidate Trump endorsed lost his seat?
Because that's a whole new level of "you jinxed it".
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No one is going to comment on the fact that every candidate Trump endorsed lost his seat?
Because that's a whole new level of "you jinxed it".
I actually hadn't heard that yet. There's enough names getting thrown around I can't keep track of who's who sometimes.
It didn't seem like it was every candidate.
According to Axios, "51 won, 33 lost, and 15 are still up in the air" as of an hour ago
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Democrats won:
Over 30 House seats in a gerrymandered map and won the House popular vote by 8%
7 Governorships
333 legislative seats
And have a net loss of 2 or 3 Senate seats on a map that was one of the most lopsided everAnd here is proof that Democratic messaging barely mentioned Trump at all. In fact, it's the least a president has been mentioned in attack ads in 15 years.
That still doesn't mean there was a clear Blue message.
And Democrats hit about where they were expected to, given the generic ballot. They exceeded expectations only in a few places. They lost several governorships that were attainable. And the Senate losses are pretty huge because it puts the Senate out of reach for 2020.
Republicans came out of this one in pretty good shape.
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Paraphrasing from other sources smarter than I am…
The GOP already controls the Senate, with 51 seats—with 53 (or 54, or 55) seats, very little will change. Because the Republicans are already getting almost every single federal judge confirmation they want, and that's most of what the Senate is good for right now.
The main reasons Dems want the Senate to be a better split for them than—say—55-45 are 1) they want to be close enough to 50-50 to make it possible to take the Senate in 2020, and 2) they want to be close enough to 50-50 to get a few Republicans on their side to win key votes.But the loss there is super minor. Because if Democrats control the House—and they do—the chance there'll be close votes in the Senate on legislation is fairly remote. With a divided Congress, only clearly bipartisan legislation is going to pass, if anything at all. No more cramming in crooked tax bills or gutting healthcare based on one vote. So those extra Senate votes mean little.
In other words, you're unlikely to see a dramatic "McCain crossing the aisle to give a thumbs down to a repeal of Obamacare" moment, because the Democrats in the House wouldn't—with their current majority—ever have allowed such a repeal to get to the Senate in the first place.
So while the Republicans can be pleased they've extended their majority, it won't change much at all for them now and it might not change anything for them if they have a bad enough 2020—which is perfectly likely—that they lose control of the Senate in two years anyway.
Facing their worst Senate map in 60 years, the Dems could reasonably call a mere +2 GOP gain a win, since it could have been much worse. With a completely different map in both 2020 and 2022, plus all the baggage that's going to come of the Russia investigation, it's pretty favorable to Democrats—today's slight GOP gains will be erased soon. And the math and recounts are still out, it might yet end up only being a +1 gain.Long-term, yesterday's results show that states Trump won by double-digits in '16 were decided by 1-3 points in '18: South Dakota's gubernatorial race, say, or Georgia's gubernatorial race, or too many House races in blood-red districts to count. That bodes HORRIBLY for 2020.
Plus all the gubnatorial pick ups and under the hood ballot things to correct gerrymandering or rights issues, 100+ women in Congress for the first time, and many LGBTQI+, veteran, young, non-Christian, and non-white candidates won—ushering in a new generation of Democratic politicians.and its a definite win.
The big thing is Democrats now control EVERY HOUSE COMMITTEE and can INVESTIGATE TRUMP LIKE NEVER BEFORE—they can hold whatever hearings they want, subpoena who they want, control every element of a probe into Trump's collusions, unconstitutional actions, and other misdeeds.
Also: Trump's record on endorsements yesterday: 12 wins, 21 losses.
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All 19 Black Women Running for Judge in a Texas Race Won Last Night
While a record number of women are projected to win House seats in Tuesday's midterm elections, a local judicial race in Houston, Texas brings even more great news: All 19 black women who ran for various judicial seats in Harris County won their races last night, marking the single biggest victory for black women in the county's history.
Many are highlighting this win as a bright spot amid Democrat Beto O'Rourke's loss to Republican incumbent Ted Cruz in the Texas Senate race. The victory of the #Houston19, as the group of women are called, has obvious local impact: Harris County, which encompasses most of Houston, is the third-largest county in the country, and one of the most diverse. Adding 19 women of color to judicial seats builds a bench that's more reflective of the population it serves, which, as with all elected offices, is a good thing.
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Sessions got fired.
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Scott Walker demostrating a perfectly good example of fucking yourself
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Good job, the end of the world gets delayed again. Just need to find a way to undo Trump (President Lisa Simpson?).
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Matthew Whitaker looks like if a person's head was just replaced by a giant chin.
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And on that day, no tears were shed for young Jefferson Davis Beauregard Them-Dogs-Sure-Is-Hell-Ain't-They Sessions XIII
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Sure but if he fires Mueller, the democratic house launches an impeachment investigation the same day and Mueller keeps going. Plus, all the mountains of stuff he's farmed out to keep it from being isolated to one spot.
Trump is desperate to stop him now, sure, and will do whatever he can, but there's nothing he can do now. Even putting someone higher up than him that's pro-Trump.
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And it looks like Rossenstein either got fired or is resigning in protest. Conflicting reports.
We have a full blown Saturday Night Massacre going on here folks.
It didn't end well for Nixon, it won't end well for Trump either. ANd he's guilty of waaaaaaay more than Nixon was.
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Steve King won re-election.
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My bet is Trump fires sveral different Cabinet members who have proved controversial or insufficiently obsequious as cover for firing Sessions and Rosenstein.