Seems very clear Big Mom will show up in Elbaf instead.
Marco also already made it clear he's not coming, probably to fight Weevil and hype him up.
Big Mom pretty much explicitly said she is coming to Wano, unlike Marco who declined on coming.
Seems very clear Big Mom will show up in Elbaf instead.
Marco also already made it clear he's not coming, probably to fight Weevil and hype him up.
Big Mom pretty much explicitly said she is coming to Wano, unlike Marco who declined on coming.
a. They noticed and commented because she was clearly pretending to be weak and helpless (in order to protect her identity) despite being strong and capable.
b. Kiku is Momo's retainer, as well as Kin'emon's comrade. Just like how even Sanji has moments or people where he acts normally around, it makes sense that Kiku would be this for them. Also she's completely covered up anyhow.
c. Only one person surmised that it's because he doesn't want Sanji to get hurt. I didn't say that, and I disagree with it personally.
Also Kin'emon straight up told Sanji not to get the wrong idea about him and Kiku, that he already has a wife, so what else needs to be said here?
3. No problem, it's just a really ugly, inappropriate word that unfortunately a lot of people in the anime/manga community have normalized as being acceptable to say. It's not being used in other negative ways, it being used in that context has always been negative, never positive. Don't really want to make it a whole thing, I'm just forever shocked whenever I still see it being used.
Hmm for now, lets just wait and see how this plays out in the future.
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Seems very clear Big Mom will show up in Elbaf instead.
Marco also already made it clear he's not coming, probably to fight Weevil and hype him up.
Revolutionaries are busy with Reverie. Same for CP-0.
An arc with all those big players will only happen in the final one. That should be obvious.
Big Mom explicitly said she was going to Wano, didn't she? Also the longer she delays getting back at Luffy the more her reputation is lowered. So I can definitely see her showing up at Wano, whatever the cost.
Eh, the Cat will help him beat up Weevil and they'll show up with Marco last minute. One because Marco knows Cat Viper and he wouldn't refuse a favor from an old friend. Two Cat Viper is working under prophecy rules, so whatever the contrivance, he won't show up at Wano without Marco and Company.
Not all Revos went to the Reeverie.
Big Mom explicitly said she was going to Wano, didn't she? Also the longer she delays getting back at Luffy the more her reputation is lowered. So I can definitely see her showing up at Wano, whatever the cost.
Eh, the Cat will help him beat up Weevil and they'll show up with Marco last minute. One because Marco knows Cat Viper and he wouldn't refuse a favor from an old friend. Two Cat Viper is working under prophecy rules, so whatever the contrivance, he won't show up at Wano without Marco and Company.
Not all Revos went to the Reeverie.
Marco won't leave. Nekomamushi already respected that decision as well. Marco even told Neko to deliver a message to Luffy and Co.
Marco himself said that he's gonna get targeted soon. No sense in having them deal with Weevil, a character we barely know, like that, otherwise it would be pointless.
Also, the Revolutionary leaders are all at the Reverie or Kamabakka. It's hard to believe they would go anywhere else.
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I don't understand how you take Marco at his word that he isn't coming (I agree btw), but dismiss Big Mom, who has explicitly said that she is coming to Wano. Not to mention how the Straw Hats are conveniently unaware of the recent news involving Big Mom and Kaido.
Oda could not make it more clear, and yet still so many people doubt she's coming. It'll never not be weird lol
Big Mom pretty much explicitly said she is coming to Wano, unlike Marco who declined on coming.
I believe she will come in the post-arc, leading directly to an Elbaf arc.
Similar to Robin in Whiskey Peak, or Aokiji in Long Ring Long Land, or Kuma in Thriller Bark.
Eh, the Cat will help him beat up Weevil and they'll show up with Marco last minute. One because Marco knows Cat Viper and he wouldn't refuse a favor from an old friend. Two Cat Viper is working under prophecy rules, so whatever the contrivance, he won't show up at Wano without Marco and Company.
Marco isn't coming, and he didn't ask Nekomamushi for help. Most importantly, he gave Nekomamushi a message to give to Luffy. That's a pointless scene to have if Marco is just going to come anyways. This way, Nekomamushi doesn't have to come back empty-handed, making the trip actually have some value in the end. Anyways, he doesn't have time to sit around and wait for Weevil to show up whenever, he has a war to fight. Before that chapter even happened, Inuarashi told everyone that Marco was unlikely to help, so this is in line with that.
Even on the slim chance that Marco does show up after all, it will not be with Nekomamushi.
I believe she will come in the post-arc, leading directly to an Elbaf arc.
Similar to Robin in Whiskey Peak, or Aokiji in Long Ring Long Land, or Kuma in Thriller Bark.
It be one thing if she came at the end, all those examples you brought up we had no idea those characters would be there until we started/ending stages and were nearly done with the arc.
Big Mom said she would be there before Wano arc even began.
So what if BM said she is coming to wano? Didn't kaidou also say he will kill her if she does? Character says something=/= has to happen.
But what is up with that kinemon, o kiku, o tsuru love triangle.
I believe she will come in the post-arc, leading directly to an Elbaf arc.
Similar to Robin in Whiskey Peak, or Aokiji in Long Ring Long Land, or Kuma in Thriller Bark.
Eh, whenever she comes is another matter entirely, just so long as we agree that she will make it to Wano.
That said, the fire festival does not begin for another two weeks. And it didn't take Luffy two weeks to make it to Wano from WCI. Just saying. From my perspective, she's definitely showing up midway or something along those lines, not once all the fun is over.
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So what if BM said she is coming to wano? Didn't kaidou also say he will kill her if she does? Character says something=/= has to happen.
You should be able to see the difference between someone saying they'll kill a Yonko, and a character saying that they will coming to a certain location. Big Mom is coming. The Marines are in a panic over it, it made the news that the Straw Hats are conveniently unaware of. It cannot be made anymore clear.
You should be able to see the difference between someone saying they'll kill a Yonko, and a character saying that they will coming to a certain location. Big Mom is coming. The Marines are in a panic over it, it made the news that the Straw Hats are conveniently unaware of. It cannot be made anymore clear.
I don't think SHs need to know something obvious, like after cake island BM is still after them after all they did to her, knowing she sends heads as gifs for much less. Marines already gave up on sending anyone to wano. Kizaru said same thing about coming to wano, yet he will not do it because akainu stoped him.
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I don't think SHs need to know something obvious, like after cake island BM is still after them after all they did to her, knowing she sends heads as gifs for much less. Marines already gave up on sending anyone to wano.
Big Mom is coming to Wano is definitely something worth knowing…
And they didn't exactly give up. They just said they're focused on the Reverie for now. It only lasts for a week, so once that ends, they'll likely come. They kind of need to anyhow, in order to take Kaido and his men away. You can't exactly just leave them there.
Marco won't leave. Nekomamushi already respected that decision as well. Marco even told Neko to deliver a message to Luffy and Co.
Marco himself said that he's gonna get targeted soon. No sense in having them deal with Weevil, a character we barely know, like that, otherwise it would be pointless.
Also, the Revolutionary leaders are all at the Reverie or Kamabakka. It's hard to believe they would go anywhere else.
Oh shit. I completely forgot that Cat Viper already met Marco. Lol, it was such a non-event that it didn't even register to me.
However, I can see Marco heading to Wano to end his blood feud with teach. I think we can all agree Teach will definitely be at Wano to steal Kaidou's fruit and complete his set of having the strongest of Logia, Paramecia and now Zoan.
The Revolutionaries not showing up at Wano where they can recruit/ally with such a strong nation would be out of character. Also I don't think its a coincidence that Oda introduced a Revo character whose power is to galvanize oppressed people to fight their oppressors and now we have a country that has been utterly and completely oppressed to the point where their kids get indoctrinated every day.
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Even on the slim chance that Marco does show up after all, it will not be with Nekomamushi.
Agreed, I can see him showing up to stop teaching from completing his set of Devil fruit powers by taking Kaidous. There is a big chance he shows up with weevil on his side(he basically tricks/convinces Weevil to attack Teach as revenge for their pops.)
Also, can Marco use his Phoenix to heal others or is it just himself?
However, I can see Marco heading to Wano to end his blood feud with teach. I think we can all agree Teach will definitely be at Wano to steal Kaidou's fruit and complete his set of having the strongest of Logia, Paramecia and now Zoan.
Well, we'll see. So far Blackbeard hasn't had any type of foreshadowing that would hint that he's coming there. But it's a long arc, so anything can happen. Either way, I do acknowledge that if he is to steal a Zoan user's DF, the only options to choose from are pretty much Kaido and Marco.
That said, even if he does come to Wano, that doesn't mean that Marco will. How would he even know that Blackbeard is there and have time to make it there himself?
Also, can Marco use his Phoenix to heal others or is it just himself?
He can heal others. We saw it in Ch. 909, the same chapter where he spoke to Nekomamushi lol
Yeah, there is no reason to doubt Linlin's presence in Wano. One may assume it is a red herring, but that would fall on the realm of theories, as far as the manga goes she is going there - she stated so, she challenged Kaido to take action against her, Oda went out of his way to make sure the Strawhats would miss this information and to make the reader aware of this.
The only weird factor here is she allowing the Marines to intercept her talk with Kaido, a detail Oda explicitly pointed out. That could be a hint she is planning something besides just getting there and killing Luffy. However, her presence in Wano also seems like the natural outcome after the Rocks element was introduced and her past with Kaido hinted. Also, Oda stated he doesn't know how to conceivably make Luffy defeat Kaido and his growth in his fight with Katakuri hardly seems enough to get him there… Linlin being at Wano as a wild card could lead to a scenario where Kaido (and possibly herself) is weakened enough for Luffy and his group to emerge victorious.
Sorry if old, but someone pointed out that Oars Jr. has a crescent mark on his feet.
http://i.4cdn.org/a/1539934220095.jpg
Does he? Where is it shown
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The only weird factor here is she allowing the Marines to intercept her talk with Kaido, a detail Oda explicitly pointed out. That could be a hint she is planning something besides just getting there and killing Luffy. H
Its really not that weird.
BM had just suffered a public "defeat" where her reputation was directly attacked and the whole world knows about it.
So ofc she doesn't care if the entire world knows. Luffy challenged and humiliated her. She will go to the ends of the earth to exact revenge and she doesn't care who gets in her way.
That's good PR for her. She gets to show the world that you don't fuck with BM and get away with it.
I like how it makes perfect sense for Kaido to come in his dragon form since he lives in an island away from the mainland of wano, so he has to fly to get there.
as per if he is a dragon that can somehow turn into a human like form or a man with a dragon fruit..i'd say the second..i know it's called a "thing" by many people and this hints at him not being human..but we already have an human-human fruit user around…maybe some mythical forms of the human human like the buddha-buddha of sengoku? it's possibile..but a chinese dragon that ate an oni fruit or something would be kinda overload XD
Its really not that weird.
BM had just suffered a public "defeat" where her reputation was directly attacked and the whole world knows about it.
So ofc she doesn't care if the entire world knows. Luffy challenged and humiliated her. She will go to the ends of the earth to exact revenge and she doesn't care who gets in her way.
That's good PR for her. She gets to show the world that you don't fuck with BM and get away with it.
exactly..if anything she wants their intraction to be intercepted..and kaidou clearly doesn't give a fuck about anything.
I just realized it, but now it really, really bothers me.
i think this is the third time since the timeskip where we see the strawhats listening to someone else's plan, which they'll have to carry out. Ever since the teamed up with law, it was at first him setting the plan to take down doflamingo. Then it was Bege's plot against big mom. Now's Kinemon ordering around the whole crew like he's the captain, what the hell.
the last tiny spark of pro-active agency form the fucking main charachters i can think of is Nami deciding to save the children in Punk Hazard.
Luffy screwing over the various plan doesn't count since it's just him doing in his own way what was ordered him to do anyway.
Not much pirate king-ly demeanor if you ask me.
My reaction is more along the lines of the rest of the Internet, I've never been too nitpicky of a person. I thought the chapter was awesome, and the last page took it to an entirely new level, and the arc with it.
No, I wasn't expecting Kaido this early. I especially wasn't expecting a transformation of Kaido's this early, I thought we'd be waiting literal years for that and it'd be near the end of Wano. But to be honest, while One Piece is a series of patience and heavy rewards for that patience, sometimes it's nice to get these bombshells dropped early. So I'm not really worried about the technicalities of timing when I see that Kaido is a huge dragon of Chinese folklore, of course I'm going to be excited lol. The rest of the Internet's freaking out about it and I'm with them. It's not like there's anything unrealistic about Kaido appearing here. And if we somehow doesn't end up having the Wind Wind fruit, Monkey D. Dragon could still have the Western dragon model fruit, but I still think that would be a little too on the nose.
Shenron isn't our ally. We're eventually going to have to beat Shenron, in this arc. That is just so awesome. And the scary thing is, we don't even know if this is all of Kaido's forms; going by past Zoans, likely not.
Anyway there was a lot more to the chapter. Starting from the WSJ cover, that's a very classy cover, and feels like the clearest look we've ever got at Kaido's face. Luffy and Zoro's brotherhood really shines through on this cover. The girls' cover was fine, Big Mom was the highlight actually for me, her hat's color scheme here is even more vibrant. Luffy confirms that O-Kiku is super strong, nice. When people wonder how the hell they're ever going to beat Kaidou and the Shogun and all their forces, remember that Luffy is gathering up a ton of strong allies. Being a hot-blooded dude, Nami's 'kunoichi' outfit really got me going. Another ugly ninja lol. I'm still assuming these are red herrings, I wonder when we'll see an actual kunoichi (reminder, Kokoro was the first mermaid we saw, the mermaids you imagine in fantasies were seen later). We learn the names of Oden's powerful retainers, neat; and as shown in this chapter with Shutenmaru's showing - who many believe is Ashura Douji - they indeed are quite a force to be reckoned with. I like how one of the random members of the crowd acknowledged how incredibly high level the fights are getting between higher level characters. Since there's nothing next to Kaidou for size comparison, we still don't actually know how big he actually is. I'm going to assume that he can of course breathe fire due to Oden castle burning in the flashback.
Its really not that weird.
BM had just suffered a public "defeat" where her reputation was directly attacked and the whole world knows about it
…....... oh yeah, how I didn't got it?
This is the first time Luffy has seen Kaido right?
I just realized it, but now it really, really bothers me.
i think this is the third time since the timeskip where we see the strawhats listening to someone else's plan, which they'll have to carry out. Ever since the teamed up with law, it was at first him setting the plan to take down doflamingo. Then it was Bege's plot against big mom. Now's Kinemon ordering around the whole crew like he's the captain, what the hell.
the last tiny spark of pro-active agency form the fucking main charachters i can think of is Nami deciding to save the children in Punk Hazard.
Luffy screwing over the various plan doesn't count since it's just him doing in his own way what was ordered him to do anyway.Not much pirate king-ly demeanor if you ask me.
Nice catch. Never paid attention to it. You could also add the dwarfs plan to go against Flamingo or Jinbes plan on fishmen island, and even Rayleighs plan to ring the bell. But then again it was every time their decision to follow …
I just realized it, but now it really, really bothers me.
i think this is the third time since the timeskip where we see the strawhats listening to someone else's plan, which they'll have to carry out. Ever since the teamed up with law, it was at first him setting the plan to take down doflamingo. Then it was Bege's plot against big mom. Now's Kinemon ordering around the whole crew like he's the captain, what the hell.
the last tiny spark of pro-active agency form the fucking main charachters i can think of is Nami deciding to save the children in Punk Hazard.
Luffy screwing over the various plan doesn't count since it's just him doing in his own way what was ordered him to do anyway.Not much pirate king-ly demeanor if you ask me.
It would be more of an issue to me if the plan was actually relevant in the climax of the arc. Luffy didn't take down Caesar or Doflamingo because of Law's plan, and not much of the actions relating to Bege's assassination attempt were very meaningful. The only time I can think of where someone fully followed another character's objective to complete a mission was when Sanji was recruited to bake the cake for Big Mom, and even that didn't feel much like that since he quickly became the top dog in that quest. There was also Operation SOP, but that was always more focused on Usopp.
If Luffy at some point says something like "I hate your closed borders!" when fighting Kaido, then we can talk. But the Straw Hats getting involved with people and aligning with their goals has always been a factor in One Piece, and I quite like that strong New World people like Law, Bege, and Kin'emon do have a lot of initiative when getting the Straw Hats involved in their plans. But sooner or later, the Straw Hats will set their own stamp on this plot.
This is not something Oda needed the Marines or anyone to casually state years in advance in my opinion, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
I am thinking since Punk Hazard when the shadow of a confrontation with Kaido is always in the background. We get the hatred for dragon, we get Kinemon ignoring everything of the world, we are setting a lot that pays now.
I consider that Oda did a poor job on that front and did a poor job hinting at a pretty important aspect of Wano and Kaido. It was always Beast pirates and Wano country not Beast are a legit part of Wano country like Doffly with Dressrosa, Boa with Amazon Lily or Linlin with Totland.
However I think you are right that it is a matter of opinion that we won't change and I also agree to disagree.
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Usually, when someone takes over a country, they declare themselves king.
I think there is a difference between being an invader and being the actual goverment and part of this country. But I don't think it's something further discussion will make us agree on. I think Oda did a poor job that front. You don't believe so. It is fine to have different opinions. Let's just accept we disagree.
This is the first time Luffy has seen Kaido right?
Yes, unless he has seen him in the papers somehow.
I was definitely not expecting to see dragon-Kaido this soon.
I expect hybrid Kaido to look like Shendu from the Jacky chan cartoon.
Kaido is known as "the strongest creature in the world". As in, he's not even human.
For me is clear as the crystal. Kaido didn't eat a mythical devil fruit model dragon, no. Kaido may actually be a REAL DRAGON that ate a human model devil fruit. Maybe an ogre.
This week's chapter was bound to be "unpredictable", since chapter 920 ended the introduction of Wano and there was nothing in particular hanging in the air to be continued immediately. Anything could become the focus now and it's normal to shake things up.
Bringing up the boss to electrify the readers, raise the stakes and disturb the plans of the protagonists is a good move to start the second act in the story. It was awesome. There was nothing important going on that should be prioritized instead, since this whole fight between Jack and Shutenmaru is obviously a distraction to hype the samurais.
The timing was great to me.
I am pretty sure Fujitora can go toe to toe with a Yonkou.
Was mostly referring to the fact that 2 other big time Marine people were there but I don't think they got the chance to get involved, besides those bandages he had imply he got cut the hell up and only one strong swordsman was on that ship. Initially the thought was he tangled with all 3 now it's rather clear he tangled with 1 and got bodied. No denying he can take unbelievable punishment and live to tell the tale but he's just a big target that can get whaled on easily and when the going gets tough he will use underhanded tactics like that poison he unleashed to gain the upper hand. He's definitely the runt of the calamities/all stars.
But the existence of Samurai of Ashura's caliber explains why the marines are wary to go near there and test their luck, ashura is no way the strongest example of the samurai yet he made a billion bounty dude bleed through his mouth on his first attack. People were worried about Wano looking like child's play need to sit back down, there are some freaks in this place.
Well, Shutenmaru is almost certainly Ashura Doji, so he was besten by Oden.
So… I'm guessing Shanks was at Mariejoa to tell the elders about Kaido being king. Given the fact that Kaido destroyed the Kozuki clan (the people whose ancestors carved the poneglyphs) and that he wants to make sure they stay dead, Ym probably wants him to stay in power.
I don't know why the WG never destroyed Wano, but I'm assuming they can't for some reason.
So, I guess at least one of those people named by Kin is going to be in jail, or ShutenMaru/Ashura Douji?? could get in the next chapters, rushing for a prison-break team and leading us to met with Kidd.
That brings into question why he cares that the kingdom even stands… He is introduced as being all nihilistic and wanting the world to end... So why not just enslave everyone from the get go if all he cares about is Manpower... The existence of this flower Capital is really weird to me
Obviously, he's not as nihilistic and unwise as you think. You're thinking too much.
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Does he? Where is it shown
It's actually fake and Photoshopped.
two things I also find fishy.
That Tsuru can't recognize Kiku despite Kiku lirerally looking the same
And that Kiku wouldn't comment that Ashura Douji ks using a different name now(asuminh he is ShutenMaru)
So if characters that close are being shown having trouble to recognize each other, well maybe, Hiyori=Tama it is a thing and simply no one around recognized her.
What do people think of the theory that ashura boy is shutenmaru?
two things I also find fishy.
That Tsuru can't recognize Kiku despite Kiku lirerally looking the same
And that Kiku wouldn't comment that Ashura Douji ks using a different name now(asuminh he is ShutenMaru)So if characters that close are being shown having trouble to recognize each other, well maybe, Hiyori=Tama it is a thing and simply no one around recognized her.
At least Tsuru has the excuse of not having seen Kiku in the last 20 years, so her not recognizing someone is reasonable enough.
Kiku on the other hand instantly time traveled through time, with it only having been a few months since then, so it's still hard to believe that she's now suddenly unable to recognize what Hiyori looks like.
What do people think of the theory that ashura boy is shutenmaru?
It seems like it's pretty much already a common consensus that he is indeed Shutenmaru.
It actually took me until like 30 seconds ago to realize Shinobu is a pun with shinobi…
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The old lady referencing the prophecy and the fall of Kaido was kind of a random thing. I mean… A bandit is about to kill you what the hell does that have to do with Kaido. If it was Jack menacing her it would make sense but in this case?
The old lady referencing the prophecy and the fall of Kaido was kind of a random thing. I mean… A bandit is about to kill you what the hell does that have to do with Kaido. If it was Jack menacing her it would make sense but in this case?
It's a response to Shutenmaru going on about how Wano's days are numbered, that there's no one to follow.
I don't know why the WG never destroyed Wano, but I'm assuming they can't for some reason.
Probably because of people like Shutenmaru
Obviously, he's not as nihilistic and unwise as you think. You're thinking too much
“I want to die and I want the rest of the world to die.” This is pretty damn nihilistic to me. I guess Oda was being hyperbolic in some regards because these sort of words surely would give you the impression this guy is over the edge
I'll only be annoyed by Kaidou in dragon form cliffhanger if next chapter starts with us cutting back a few minutes to "Kaidou in base, annoyed about the intruders, transforms and leaves." cut back to normal time. Oda's already turned a few cliffhangers bad this arc by how he starts the following chapter, so it wouldn't surprise me.
As a thought, what's the likelihood of Zoro accidentally wandering his way back here, getting beat and captured, and then thrown in the same cell with Kid? I can't decide for myself if I like the idea or not, but leaning on "not."
What do people think of the theory that ashura boy is shutenmaru?
Is that even a theory? Their silhouettes are identical. Its pretty obvious.
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Kaido is known as "the strongest creature in the world". As in, he's not even human.
For me is clear as the crystal. Kaido didn't eat a mythical devil fruit model dragon, no. Kaido may actually be a REAL DRAGON that ate a human model devil fruit. Maybe an ogre.
Dragons in asian mythology can transform into human form. So he might not even have a devilfruit.
wait how do momo and kaido both have dragon zoans?
wait how do momo and kaido both have dragon zoans?
momo's is an artificial one made by VegaPunk
A Oden's samurai who now take the food from poor people… I'm curious about how that happened
You can't really call it an inspiration if the original doesn't even have an original design. If a nine-tailed fox is referenced anywhere in this arc, are you going to say Oda was inspired by Naruto as well?
pokemon*
16 muffins
A Oden's samurai who now take the food from poor people… I'm curious about how that happened
He used to be a bandit before he was tamed by Oden.
https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/one-piece-2/en/0/920/page/4
momo's is an artificial one made by VegaPunk
ah thats sounds familiar now that you said it. Will be interesting to see if he grows into kaido
He used to be a bandit before he was tamed by Oden.
https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/one-piece-2/en/0/920/page/4
I know, and now after being tamed by Oden he has come back to the bandid way. Interesting zig-zag. And he's drinking in a lazy mood like an old emperor not obeying Kaido… after all those years. Nice character. I'm curious about why he's taking food from the villagers. ... Because I supose 'tamed' is figurative. He was rather converted by Oden.
Dragons in asian mythology can transform into human form. So he might not even have a devilfruit.
Oni aren't exactly human.
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It actually took me until like 30 seconds ago to realize Shinobu is a pun with shinobi…
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"Bu" is also a word for fat, so it's a two for one.