Gotta love how Zoro is so clueless about himself getting lost, he's going to make it even worse by hitching a ride on a freaking boat.
Chapter 920: For Love of Oden
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awesome chapter.
going by what that dude with weird hair said last chapter, and Orochi took as a prophecy, it means Lady Toki stood behind after sending everyone but Hiyori, and weird-hat dude, so that she would tell Orochi that he'd be destroyed in 20 years. which also means, Kin'emon is missing a part of the story because he was sent 20 years straight.
I got the feeling ShutenMaru and Ashura Douji are somehow related.
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I'm sorry but my memory has been deceiving me.
Suddenly I remember something.
Where's Robin? She, Franky, haven't join yet.Truth is, I remember that the poneglyph that Brook copied from big mom, there haven't really any progress about the reading, yet have it?
Can't wait for Brook to show the writing to Robin.Robin is in the last week chapter. In Kyoshiro's house
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Another week, Another Awesome Chapter, but My back is paining so much… Anyways Enjoy!!
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I had assumed that the head bumps were there from a double ko after the fallout from a typical Sunkist and Sauron brawl. If it was instead just Nami punching them out and them having unrelated dreams to the events leading up to the lumps it's a lot less fun. Atleast to me
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But I hope you won't disappoint me… again
The chapter was really interesting and brought up a lot of question for me... But I am glad as hell that Toki is
A: most likely dead
B: The fruit is only going one way
C: Who might have it now... Vegapunk for example as he is said to me a genius who is ahead like 500 yearsNext thing is... Really want to see what happened to Momo's sister and the other retainers (The one who looks a lot like the guy with Crocus)... I have a strange feeling that it is Tama and Hitetsu is one of the samurais...
But there is one thing... It would mean that they went not 20 years but less in the future... But if this is the case... Why haven't they started to act before? And Hitetsu should know Kiku is back...
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@Don:
Thank god it was afterall a DF ability and not them being ghosts.
Honestly i liked the weird unexplained ghost angle.
A fresh little unexplained phenomena on the side from all of the a DF did it explanations.
But alas it was not meant to be. A DF did it, as usual.
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Argumets for Tama beign Momo's sister:
- she is a proeminent character just from the start and Oda is building up her background story;
- she is alone with Tengu and there aren't any mentions of her parents or relatives;
- Tengu can't go to town "for some reason" & he says he is also waiting for someone for a long time;
- Toki wouldn't let her daughter die with her & probably sent her into the future at a different place in time, together with the remaining retainers;
- she had a big brother at some point, hence she calls Luffy big bro all the time;
Arguments against Tama beign Momo's sister:
- she seems to be in Wano for quite awhile and it wouldn't make sense for Toki to send her at a random time in Orochi-occupied Wano;
- she wasn't recognized by Kiku;
- Tengu seems to be very relax about her safety/situation if he does know who she really is;
- If Tengu is a retainer and traveld with Tama/Hiyori into the future, at some point he would've met the samurai's Kinemon met or at least made some preparations for the uprising;
If any more arguments come up, you can complete the list.
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I should clarify: Why would a retainer be all the way over there, when, uhh, they'd have more pressing matters to attend to? How would they have gotten there to begin with?
It becomes an even bigger stretch if we're also assuming that he's been protecting Hiyori all this time.
What if he’s on the run? I mean an emperor wants him dead, so you’d expect he’d have to run as far away as possible. Like to another ocean far. So I say he ran to like East Blue and hid for 20 years and the reason he’s back now is the promised time. Of course to come back from any ocean you must go through Reverse mountain where he would end up finding Crocus
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awesome chapter.
going by what that dude with weird hair said last chapter, and Orochi took as a prophecy, it means Lady Toki stood behind after sending everyone but Hiyori, and weird-hat dude, so that she would tell Orochi that he'd be destroyed in 20 years. which also means, Kin'emon is missing a part of the story because he was sent 20 years straight.
I got the feeling ShutenMaru and Ashura Douji are somehow related.
But remember that in Zou, Momonosuke said hew saw his mother die. I guess he was exaggerating then or something because this flashback shows he doesn’t know what happened to her
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Honestly i liked the weird unexplained ghost angle.
A fresh little unexplained phenomena on the side from all of the a DF did it explanations.
But alas it was not meant to be. A DF did it, as usual.
I guess consistency matters to Oda after all… go figure
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-Kinda a recap chapter of what Kinemon and co went through since leaving Wano. Things we already know but it is good to get a refresh.
-If Lady Toki is from the past, there is a high chances of her being from the Void century. She could be the reason why the kozuki clan can carved poneglyph and write in the ancient language. She could be alive but who know…
-As for Momo's sister, I'm sure her mother would have send her to the future too. There's no chance she will only save her son but not her daughter.
Tama is a possibility. She could have send her daughter to a much earlier timeline. As she aged up & have a different name to conceal her real identity, nobody will recognise her.
The tengu guy could be one of the retainer who take care of her and hide her identify. She was also very young back then so she may not have much memory of her earlier life (Or the convenient amnesia plotline). While Kiku didn't seem to recognise her as Lady Hiyori, it could a number of plot reasons to make it a twist. -
It still doesn't make sense to send Tama so early on orochi controlled land, even with 1 guard that how much could he even do alone? Send her 21 years in the future 1 year after the 20 years thing would be way more safe for her, if oden's wife was sure the 20 years prophecy woudl become true.
It fits more for o tama to be the future wife of momonosuke instead, rather then his sister that is same age as him and they are not even twins and that would achieve what?
Anyway, about zoro, if he does have roots in wano, then this solo journey will show it. Wierd how kinemon doesn't mention about ryuuma's story since that was only 3 years ago for him and co. Since it was about a dragon slayn by ryuuma yet kaidou seems to have same zoan fruit and took over wano 3 years later.
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Honestly i liked the weird unexplained ghost angle.
A fresh little unexplained phenomena on the side from all of the a DF did it explanations.
But alas it was not meant to be. A DF did it, as usual.
Ghost explanation would be even sloppier since there’s nothing particularly “ghostly” about them like being chained to their resting place or something, not to mention being affected by and able to consume Devil fruits (forcibly in Momo’s case).
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@.access:
She wouldn't have been sent alone since we know there was one more retainer with Kin'emon's group when they got to the castle and he wasn't sent with them to the future. Wherever Hiyori went, that 5th retainer was most likely entrusted with her by Toki. Assuming she is Tama, that guy would be Hitetsu.
As for to why send her to a different point in the future, that could be justified. Hiyori was even younger than Momo, who is a kid already, so it's reasonable for Toki to want to keep her safe. Orochi knew, through Toki's prediction itself, that his enemies would be arriving in 20 years and is preparing for that, so if Toki wanted to keep Hiyori safe it would make sense for her to not send her to that point.
Hiyori being Shutenmaru would be much better, though.
Comparing how Kin’emon was protective of Momo at Punk Hazard, I doubt Hitetsu is the retainer if Tama is the princess. The best case scenario is if Hitetsu is waiting for the actual retainer who left Tama there for some reason but even then, why the hell would he leave her there in Orochi’s territory of all places. You’re argument of wanting her to be older when the 20th year reaches is good though.
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You know, that'd be fantastic. So now we can read back and really, truly enjoy the numerous times Momo has lecherously oogled and groped Nami, knowing she is, in fact, his (grown up) little sister!
I mean, we need to make One Piece creepier somehow, right?
Yea i'm aware of that, though i checked and Momo only did so once between PH and DR (correct me if i'm wrong, plus one time they were playing Shogun and retainer but there wasnt anything sexual there), but it's nothing Oda cant adress by making Nami punch Momo into orbit while screaming with shark teeth and a disgusted face. I just don't like how Nami had no new developments whatsoever so far and in sight for the future. Also being his sister would mean she's a Kouzuki and possibly linked directly to the Void Century so there's that against it too.
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It could still be that guy that was watching the footage from Punk Hazard tho.
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Jack has those Viking Braids thing if I remember correctly.
those are likely the images of the Calamities 20 years ago, so it makes sense Jack had a bit different look back then
Kaido for example, has a smaller moustache, and his x scar on his stomach reaches his chest a bit and his not present in that image. -
The stuff I said about O-tsuru being one of the original nine red scabbards was a thought-mistake by me.
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That guy next to Jack looks like a proper beast. I can't wait to see the other two, hopefully soon.
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I’m going to try Playing Devil’s advocate the most by Giving what I think is the best argument for Tama being the sister. Momonosuke is obviously partly inspired by the Momotaro folklore. In it Momotaro uses Kibi Dango to make friends with animals to defeat the Ogre or demon. In one piece Momonosuke is the one who is out to defeat the ogre/demon. And Tama is the one who makes Kibi Dango to befriend animals and even smile users. So Basically Combining Momonosuke and Tama’s stories you basically have the Momotaro story. So if you make them brother and sister it could be more symbolic.
I say I’m playing devil’s advocate because I think Hiyori is dead and was Kuina and my explanation for that is long and convoluted. But I still have to put it out there this comparison with the Momotaro story is there.
Then again, it’s almost too obvious. I mean seriously this could all be Oda pulling us in for a Rey-Kenobi/Skywalker/Nobody-twist and Tama ends up just a chick driven by pure grit in the story. But anyway, That may just be my bias showing. I guess Oda could just Occam’s razor it
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those are likely the images of the Calamities 20 years ago, so it makes sense Jack had a bit different look back then.
I also don't think Jack needs to be show as silhouete of the past at this point. Much less being draw differently while Kaido seems to look the same.
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I’m going to try Playing Devil’s advocate the most by Giving what I think is the best argument for Tama being the sister. Momonosuke is obviously partly inspired by the Momotaro folklore. In it Momotaro uses Kibi Dango to make friends with animals to defeat the Ogre or demon. In one piece Momonosuke is the one who is out to defeat the ogre/demon. And Tama is the one who makes Kibi Dango to befriend animals and even smile users. So Basically Combining Momonosuke and Tama’s stories you basically have the Momotaro story. So if you make them brother and sister it could be more symbolic.
I say I’m playing devil’s advocate because I think Hiyori is dead and was Kuina and my explanation for that is long and convoluted. But I still have to put it out there this comparison with the Momotaro story is there.
Then again, it’s almost too obvious. I mean seriously this could all be Oda pulling us in for a Rey-Kenobi/Skywalker/Nobody-twist and Tama ends up just a chick driven by pure grit in the story. But anyway, That may just be my bias showing. I guess Oda could just Occam’s razor it
I'm starting to think you could be right. We will know in due course if Momo or the other Kozuki retainers cross paths with her, and it could be the one who her master is waiting for is her Lady Toki to return.
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I also don't think Jack needs to be show as silhouete of the past at this point. Much less being draw differently while Kaido seems to look the same.
ooh, seems u quoted me before I edited my post.
but as I pointed out, Kaido does shows differences, his moustache and his x scar, also Doula Mongo's big cards were shown shadowed in flashbacks when we already knew hot they looked, thats just really for dramatic purposes only.
what's strange is if we were getting the King, Queen, Jack trio, we would get a woman there for Queen, but well Corazon isn't much of a manly thing for a dude and Oda could go with…... Fredy Mercury for a Queen Character:ninja: -
a fifth samurai in the group, So inu and neko didn't travel to future, but waited? and were in Wano 20 years ago?
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We know there were 7 retainers with Oden at his death. 2 of them were captured before making to the castle (Inuarashi and Nekomamushi), 5 made to the castle - of those 5, 4 traveled to the future (Kin'emon, Kanjuuro, Raizo and Kiku) and 1 is the mysterious hat guy who remains unaccounted for.
Those numbers match the 11 graves since there are 4 fancy ones belonging to the Kozuki family (Oden, Toki, Momonosuke and Hiyori) and 7 regular ones belonging to the retainers.
But if there were just 7 retainers, who were the 9 Scabbards? Maybe Toki is included as one of the 9, but that would still leave one out. Maybe one of them actually betrayed Oden, leading to his death, and that's why he is not seen among the others/the graves.
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a fifth samurai in the group, So inu and neko didn't travel to future, but waited? and were in Wano 20 years ago?
No, they were in Wano way before that, as young children and at some point they would have accompanied Oden on his journey with Whitebeard & Roger
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Another very nice chapter. This one told us a lot of things we already knew but it also introduced other's such as Momo's grandad being the guy who was shogun, and his wife having the toki toki fruit, anyone else thinking that since she's had it for a while maybe she's had it for idk… 800 years perhaps. Also we clearly missed the middle part of the coup while we saw the reactions to it so oda is hyping up this flashback lol.
Oh and in regards to that two week plan that either a) gives enough time for luffy's grand fleet to come through or b) won't even matter since either luffy and zoro will or have already messed it up. I still want more reverie goodness so if there is some dead time maybe that'll be enough room for us to cut back to the reverie. If they get into BS before it happens than then maybe the news will be on heard on the 7th day.
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I hoped for a detailed flashback at later time,but Oda instead chose a summary. I guess we will get details little by little as the story progress.
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Sometimes it is.
Oda said once that he draws some important characters bigger/ taller than the rest - example being Admirals or especially he was referring to scene with all Warlords being present on double page spread and tiny marines before them.
Drawing characters bigger in some cases to emphasize them doesn't equate to size = power
And who you are to judge my thought train going most straightforward line of thoughts most of the time ? I am not commenting on that, you also could avoid it.
The main character of the series regularly goes up against opponents many times bigger than him and overcomes them.
Reading this series and coming away with size = power is a weird though train, I don't think you'd find many people who would dispute that.
Beside size of Calamities, Kaidos crew seems to have more structure alike to Whitebeards(top commanders) and Big Mom Pirates(Sweet Commanders) with few individuals being especially strong.
That seems to be the structure of every Yonko crew, apart from maybe Shanks'
With Jack in crew, centric Calamity that we seen might be Katakuris equivalent in Beast Pirates crew.
Jack might be Katakuri's equivalent , we'll just have to wait and see
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I hoped for a detailed flashback at later time,but Oda instead chose a summary. I guess we will get details little by little as the story progress.
With so many new characters to be introduced in such a flashback I imagine we'll get more info in dribs and drabs before a final comprehensive flashback
I wonder how different Kaido from 20 years ago will look and whether we might get some further light shed on his relationship with Big Mom/Rocks?
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I think Oda goes half and half with the large = powerful thing. Sometimes they’ll be weak for the Toriyama effect but most of the really powerful characters in the series are ludicrously big.
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So what are the chances that Tama and the Tengu are Hiyori and the mysterious retainer showed in this chapter sent to another date forwards in time?
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Interesting, I think, that Kin thinks they'd need 5000 combatants to stand a chance in open warfare when something like 5600 people swore themselves in as Luffy's subordinates the other year. We'll just wait and see where that goes.
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Im more interested in what Kaido's position as a pirate was 20 years ago, if Whitebeard was good friends with Oden and Kaido killed him, then Whitebeard could very well be the reason Kaido has a massive scar on his stomach.
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We know there were 7 retainers with Oden at his death. 2 of them were captured before making to the castle (Inuarashi and Nekomamushi), 5 made to the castle - of those 5, 4 traveled to the future (Kin'emon, Kanjuuro, Raizo and Kiku) and 1 is the mysterious hat guy who remains unaccounted for.
Those numbers match the 11 graves since there are 4 fancy ones belonging to the Kozuki family (Oden, Toki, Momonosuke and Hiyori) and 7 regular ones belonging to the retainers.
I doubt that there are graves for Inu and Neko simply because Luffy didn't mention their names when he saw the graves and because I don't see a reason why Oda wouldn't have just shown it already.
*Edit: Though now that I think about it, why hasn't Oda shown Kiku's name on a grave this chapter?
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Drawing characters bigger in some cases to emphasize them doesn't equate to size = power
The main character of the series regularly goes up against opponents many times bigger than him and overcomes them.
Reading this series and coming away with size = power is a weird though train, I don't think you'd find many people who would dispute that.
That seems to be the structure of every Yonko crew, apart from maybe Shanks'
Jack might be Katakuri's equivalent , we'll just have to wait and see
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With so many new characters to be introduced in such a flashback I imagine we'll get more info in dribs and drabs before a final comprehensive flashback
I wonder how different Kaido from 20 years ago will look and whether we might get some further light shed on his relationship with Big Mom/Rocks?
Oda would not introduce strongest Calamity first. He will show off Jack as much as he can and after that he will likely hype up one of Calamities as even stronger foe.
As for size and power I never stated that its equivalent in One Piece but you seem to be very stubborn with repeating that I did.. with size of Calamities and hype Jack got I just expect them to be very important and extremely strong players of this arc. So I compared them to getting 3 Jozu tier fighters..
Whats wrong with that?
Oda lately implies power with size of character way more often than he did before. It was even said once after time skip, during Dressrosa arc that Luffy is one of few so small and so strong characters.
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ooh, seems u quoted me before I edited my post.
but as I pointed out, Kaido does shows differences, his moustache and his x scar, also Doula Mongo's big cards were shown shadowed in flashbacks when we already knew hot they looked, thats just really for dramatic purposes only.
what's strange is if we were getting the King, Queen, Jack trio, we would get a woman there for Queen, but well Corazon isn't much of a manly thing for a dude and Oda could go with…... Fredy Mercury for a Queen Character:ninja:If it is really Jack, then there is no good reason to Oda to hide his face as if he is a yet-to-be revealed character.
And I don't think he would give one of the calamities a design similar to Pica instead of something else.
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I just like the fact that Kaidou's forces are pure brutes with some sense, lol.
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Honestly i liked the weird unexplained ghost angle.
A fresh little unexplained phenomena on the side from all of the a DF did it explanations.
But alas it was not meant to be. A DF did it, as usual.
The treasure of Marijoa might be such a phenomena you´re looking for.
Also we still have the existence of a Klabautermann, which isn´t DF related.
In the OP world most things don´t seem to be impossible, but some consistencies are just necessary for us readers and the world building, even when the existence of DFs does give Oda a way to include whatever he wants. (like zombies)That Momonosuke actually met Gol.D Roger can now be explained with him being alive to that date, which makes the foreshadowing complete, but i thought Oda would keep the "ghost" door open for the end of the series to have a way that Roger and Luffy can communicate…guess the voice of all things is still there for that issue.
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@Don:
The treasure of Marijoa might be such a phenomena you´re looking for.
Aw man that just made me remember that the WG is actually a cult with a hidden god pope in the basement.
I had just about blacked out that part as a bad dream and now it just roared back into my head.
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So what are the chances that Tama and the Tengu are Hiyori and the mysterious retainer showed in this chapter sent to another date forwards in time?
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Unlikely as she met Ace 4 years prior and she was seen by Kiku with no reaction.
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I wonder if in this 2 weeks gap, we go back at the Reverie.
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The main character of the series regularly goes up against opponents many times bigger than him and overcomes them.
Yes but luffy himself is about size. Like g3 or g4, increasing his arm to giant size or his muscles or body in g4. Elbaf as strongest nation kinda shows that size counts, or strongest creature that seems much bigger then humans( talk about if he can also transform into Shenron), or big mom, or WB.
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Yeah, being big didn't helped Oars Jr. very much.
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Yeah, being big didn't helped Oars Jr. very much.
He did not had his original spirit inside of him. That certainly made him weaker than he was when alive. Same as it was with Ryuma zombie.
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I wonder if Kinemon knows that Orochi and Kaidou at least think them as real, not ghost. Or they shouldn't have send Jack specifically to Zhou for the search of Raizou.
Also to know that Raizou is in Zhou must be a job of a mink traitor.Perhaps the same traitor had made a vivre card of Zunisha by which Jack was easily tracking it.
Though it is hard for me to see any prominent mink character to be traitor…..P.S: Argument against a mink traitor would be he/she should have known the exact place where Raizou was hidden, Jack need not to have wasted time by asking minks.
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He did not had his original spirit inside of him. That certainly made him weaker than he was when alive. Same as it was with Ryuma zombie.
Oars Jr is the one Doula Mongo cut his leg off
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I wonder if in this 2 weeks gap, we go back at the Reverie.
Would love to cut back to it, but Oda does love to present fresh new news about the world after an arc finished^^
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Would love to cut back to it, but Oda does love to present fresh new news about the world after an arc finished^^
Events that he set up in reverie are far too important to be shown in newspaper though. It'd be quite lame if we don't get to see the revolutionary carrying out their mission or the result of Cobra's meeting with the elders.
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Anyone else got a feeling that the "5,000 strong" force to wage war is laying ground for a future call to the Straw Hat fleet ? (when every hope of secrecy inevitably goes down the drain thanks to Luffy's present and future blunders)
totally, I had a bit of doubt they would show up knowing the Minks are a race of warriors and the fight would happen on a full moon night, so I thought they would make up the numbers and the strength.
but now that we also now the Levely will be over by the timw the big fight come and that Sai and Leo would have time to catch up, it does gives me big hopes they will show up.even tho, the numbers in Kin'emon's head look pretty nice and theres several worst gens in the place, well who knows
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Yeah, being big didn't helped Oars Jr. very much.
I remember him taking on the entire giant squad of marines, warlords and marines had to team up on him because of his size and even when he falls he still helps his mates with his size because he made that road that allowed them to go further. Imagine if he also had one of those broken fruits or haki, what he would do in the war…
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She wouldn't have been sent alone since we know there was one more retainer with Kin'emon's group when they got to the castle and he wasn't sent with them to the future. Wherever Hiyori went, that 5th retainer was most likely entrusted with her by Toki. Assuming she is Tama, that guy would be Hitetsu.
As for to why send her to a different point in the future, that could be justified. Hiyori was even younger than Momo, who is a kid already, so it's reasonable for Toki to want to keep her safe. Orochi knew, through Toki's prediction itself, that his enemies would be arriving in 20 years and is preparing for that, so if Toki wanted to keep Hiyori safe it would make sense for her to not send her to that point.
Hiyori being Shutenmaru would be much better, though.
Wouldn't ez mode just be to send Hiyori to shortly after the 20 year point if she's that confident in her prediction of the counterattack against Orochi happening in 20 years? Tama is objectively worse off than Momo after consuming poison for half of her life.
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I'm pretty sure Kuma, Doflamingo and or even Moria could have take care of Oars alone.