A female warrior/onna-bugeisha is more likely to use a naginata…..which is a katana blade on a pole, so yeah.
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We already had two minks on the voyage. There was absolutely no need for Oda to add a third mink in order to show off sulong.
Hey the point of me laughing at you guys over this is two fold.
1. I respect the character and think you are doing a great disservice to her.
2. The lookout position is so stupid and boring an idea I will not engage with any argument of it with anything other than laughter. For instance: ahahahaha. Or: lol. Possibly with an additional: yahahahahah hoho hee -
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I've just reread the whole Big Mom arc in one fell swoop, so it's really fresh in my mind.
And I'll say this thing for the rabbit gang here.
There was like 80 times more action and story time spent on the ship in this arc than any other in maybe the entire series. People should know the implications of this.
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Simply because there is not enough time to build up another member from scratch at this point.
I wouldn't say that. It's a safe bet to say Wano is going to be a long damn arc, and there's still quite a bit of time in the series for them, too.
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@Monkey:
2. The lookout position is so stupid and boring an idea I will not engage with any argument of it with anything other than laughter. For instance: ahahahaha. Or: lol. Possibly with an additional: yahahahahah hoho hee
You have simply not been paying attention to the manga if that's your actual opinion:
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[/HIDE]Between Monkey King and Below Average, why is it that the speedreading trolls always seem to pop up on the anti-Carrot side?
Purely coincidence
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You have simply not been paying attention to the manga if that's your actual opinion:
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Between Monkey King and Below Average, why is it that the speedreading trolls always seem to pop up on the anti-Carrot side?
Well, she sure does a shit job of it.
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I think everyone that's been following this thread for the last 4 months has seen that collage image at least half a dozen times. It isnt really a good sign when its just the rebuttal. Yeah Carrot has been seen in the crow's nest a lot from what 880-903 but the amount of time oda spent telling us it was important doesnt compare to jinbe. Oda isnt the most subtle dude and some people complained Oda was "making jinbe another poochie" because he made other characters say "oh wow jinbe is so cool" when it came to his helmsmanning ability.
Nobody has stated " wow carrot good job looking out" or anything directly about her capacity to perform such a role. They've complimented abilities of hers that could lend well to being a lookout but it hasnt come up. Thats why using it as an argument as it currently stands isnt the best argument. Especially when we have jinbe to compare to in this very arc.
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Normally we'd get a long twelve paragraph screed about how this insignificant thing is actually significant.
A collage about how this insignificant thing is actually significant is a new innovation in the unending War On Nakamates.
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@S.C.:
Well, she sure does a shit job of it.
And we can have a debate about that.
But to simply dismiss one of the most iconic old-timey ship positions like MK is doing is just foolish.
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Also, for my two bits. If the last crewmate is from Wano, then I'm like 99% positive they won't be a conventional samurai, since Zoro and Jinbei got the aesthetics and design of that already. They got to be some eccentric, Nobunaga-like dude (or dudette) to really stand out from the crowd. And something a bit more then just another sword style.
So, I would think of some sort of youkai like being is more likely. Also, since I'm sure if Wano does have them, there's another discriminatory angle for Oda to tackle, and damn does he love that.
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@Long:
I think everyone that's been following this thread for the last 4 months has seen that collage image at least half a dozen times.
@Cyan:
A collage about how this insignificant thing is actually significant is a new innovation in the unending War On Nakamates.
Not everyone has seen it yet, Long John. That's why I post it when it becomes relevant to the discussion. I've had people tell me that they hadn't realize just how much she's been the lookout, and seeing it all together painted a diferent picture than they had in their head.
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That important old-timey ship position that in the context of One Piece has never been brought up as a distinct position, who's lack thereof has not actually impacted the Strawhats or indeed any pirate crew we've met, who's job could feasibly be done with just Usopp with a pair of binoculars. A job that has never been brought up as something that the Strawhats could use, like a doctor or a shipwright or a helmsman (as it turns out).
The mettle of this enemy is weak. Where are the paragraphs? Where is the circular reasoning? Where is the characterization just made up out of thin air? Where is the heart?
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@S.C.:
I wouldn't say that. It's a safe bet to say Wano is going to be a long damn arc, and there's still quite a bit of time in the series for them, too.
I meant a brand new character after Wano. The battle against Kaido is the last stop in my book, after that we're basically on the road to the endgame, Raftel & Final War included. Maybe Elbaf inbetween as a short breather arc, similiar to Zou.
I remember people saying that One Piece is 2/3 in, and that was 7 or 8 years ago. Even if Oda took his time and added more content than originally planned, things should be getting real now. And they are real, 1.5 billion-bounty-fifth emperor-level real. Gorosei making their move real.The new character would have to work from day 1, and I honestly don't know how Oda can pull that off (post Wano).
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@Cyan:
That important old-timey ship position that in the context of One Piece has never been brought up as a distinct position,
It hasn't been brought up as a distinct position, but it has definitely been portrayed many times throughout the series. Taking a job that was done by the whole crew and giving it to a single person doesn't seem too farfetched to me. They did it to the helmsman position.
who's lack thereof has not actually impacted the Strawhats or indeed any pirate crew we've met,
Neither has the lack of a musician, or helmsman impacted the strawhats before Brook and Jimbei. They were able to sail up into the sky and down to the seafloor without a dedicated helmsman. And its not like Brook's music has actually changed something in the functioning of the ship. Its not a coincidence that the roles that are least necessary to have a full-time person in charge of are the last ones to be filled.
who's job could feasibly be done with just Usopp with a pair of binoculars
She can get to the crow's nest faster than he can, and she can jump super high up to see farther than Usopp can. If Usopp was present during the WCI escape, he would have been manning the cannons, and Carrot would still have been in the crow's nest.
A job that has never been brought up as something that the Strawhats could use, like a doctor or a shipwright or a helmsman (as it turns out).
Helmsman wasn't brought up as something the strawhats could use until 881 chapters into the story, when Jimbei had already pledged his allegiance to the crew. Also, Usopp's role as sniper (gunner) wasn't brought up until after he joined. Same for Robin.
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@Monkey:
I've just reread the whole Big Mom arc in one fell swoop, so it's really fresh in my mind.
And I'll say this thing for the rabbit gang here.
There was like 80 times more action and story time spent on the ship in this arc than any other in maybe the entire series. People should know the implications of this.
And the big ship moment btw was Jimbeis. Because that's what normal people notice when they read the series.Off topic as hell but whatever
What were your thoughts on the WCI arc?
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I'm not an anti-Carrot, more a "why is the 90% Chopper clone still around…?"-Carrot, but maybe Oda plans to build her up as the main representative of the Mink faction. There will be allied Minks not only during the Kaido fight, but also in the final war for sure. Someone has to be their figurehead, and I anticipate that something terrible will happen to the two leaders Inu and Neko. Maybe they will be utterly defeated in order to hype Kaido's top guys, or they can't leave Zou because something is up with Zunisha (she has swirly [Im] eyes as well).
So I assume Carrot will escort the Minks back to Zou after Kaido is defeated, only to reappear as an allied captain in the final war (just like Leo leading the Dwarves, Aladin the Fishman Pirates etc.)
The only thing that throws me off at the moment is the fact that the next 2 members will join successively according to Oda. A Franky / Robin style recruitment I guess: One familiar companion joining for good + a fresh character on top. So Jinbe is a given, but if there is no other good candidate in Wano then I'm fully on board with Carrot being the next Nakama. Simply because there is not enough time to build up another member from scratch at this point.
The problem I see now is that there's no reasonable expectation that Carrot is going to exit stage anytime soon.
We're in Wano. The Minks aren't here and them and they're not going to appear for a while.
Wano is going to be a loooong arc and with the Strawhats separated for so long we're probably going to be spending quality time with the Strawhats + Carrot.
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I clicked on the thread where I last left off and see there's been four more pages since and I just don't know what could possibly be being discussed.
what if carrot was a boy. I'd be all about a bunnyboi joining. that's it this is all because she's cute just admit it.
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A role on the ship is one of the many factors to consider for a potential crewmate. It's a piece of a jigsaw puzzle.
Jinbe has LOTS of other things going for him aside from being a potential helmsman. (Also, it wasn't the main argument for Jinbe joining the crew)
Jinbe as the helmsman has been talked about for quite a long while even after he was asked to joined. I remember seeing red-star members not being convinced he will be one.
Then it turn out he was good at it and that's the end of the debate. His position as the crew's helmsman was an afterthought.Likewise with Usopp.
I really don't care about the whole debate regarding the lookout position.
My biggest issue is with Carrot is her overall lack of importance to be a potential crewmate. She has been around for the story for 100++ chapters and she is still a supporting character. She completely faded into the background in Zou arc. She was secondary cast member in WCI arc.
Sure, she definitely will be sticking around in Wano arc. The mink tribe are going there eventually & there is no reason she won't be there.
But would she be one of the main characters in Wano arc or a supporting character in Wano arc? (Of course, the carrot supporter would want the former)
Based on the past 100++ chapters, I think it is more likely she will be a supporting character.I think 100++ chapters is already more than enough time to know whether a character is going to be a main or supporting character. I don't need to wait another 100 chapters to see how amazing Carrot is for a NN.
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@Cyan:
Normally we'd get a long twelve paragraph screed about how this insignificant thing is actually significant.
A collage about how this insignificant thing is actually significant is a new innovation in the unending War On Nakamates.
These are admirable stalwart souls, fighting against crushing boredom and their own total lack of interest in people standing in wooden cups and seeing things, all in order to make their point.
No one on earth gives a crap about lookouts, not even them, but they do it anyway.
Truly the garbagemen and toilet cleaners of the forum.
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"Gosh I love this bouncy energetic character! Can't wait to see her stand stationary in a high place a lot."
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I meant a brand new character after Wano. The battle against Kaido is the last stop in my book, after that we're basically on the road to the endgame, Raftel & Final War included. Maybe Elbaf inbetween as a short breather arc, similiar to Zou.
I remember people saying that One Piece is 2/3 in, and that was 7 or 8 years ago. Even if Oda took his time and added more content than originally planned, things should be getting real now. And they are real, 1.5 billion-bounty-fifth emperor-level real. Gorosei making their move real.The new character would have to work from day 1, and I honestly don't know how Oda can pull that off (post Wano).
Ah, my apologies, and yes, I agree with you.
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I clicked on the thread where I last left off and see there's been four more pages since and I just don't know what could possibly be being discussed.
what if carrot was a boy. I'd be all about a bunnyboi joining. that's it this is all because she's cute just admit it.
Having a female character who bypasses the invisible gender wall where the girl characters stand over in a neat prim bubble while the guys do goofy and crazy things has been a tiresome tiresome problem ever since Vivi left. So actually her being a chick is a big deal in a positive sense.
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Because we are here to read a manga about American gender politics.
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Because we are here to read a manga about American gender politics.
I forgot about this guy existing haha.
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Off topic as hell but whatever
What were your thoughts on the WCI arc?
Liked it. Mostly.
I still feel like Oda writes the longer arcs too busy these days, too much running around action sequences that take up too much of the arc. But compared to Dressrosa this was much better on that angle. And Big Mom's whole world and crew were pretty wonderful.
Plus I do actually appreciate that much of the action sequence was nautical, which as I mentioned is pretty rare in the series oddly enough. -
scene where all the boys see something that boys usually like and cheer widly, pan to scene while girls don't care about it at all
"Wow the pinnacle of comedy, this joke hasn't gotten stale at all in a dozen variations. Oh oda you riot"
Oda adding carrot or someone who isn't a prim and proper young lady 95% of the time wouldn't suddenly make him a progressive manga author or the manga into some propaganda comic for the united states or anything. It'd just be a breath of fresh air for a guy who despite having an insane amount of imagination is very cut and dry when it comes to the differences between men and women as of late.
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People need to go reread all of the stuff between Whiskey Peak and Alabasta if they've forgotten how hugely Oda contrasted Vivi with Nami in that regard.
I guess Oda stopped being Japanese for seven volumes or something???
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@Monkey:
Yeah I know the task of a lookout, and in all the exemples I gave, the rest of the crew hadn't noticed anything yet.
Just like here : https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/one-piece-2/en/0/879/page/7 when Jinbe is reacting to what Carot says. Or here : https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/one-piece-2/en/0/888/page/7
And in the second exemple, because Carot warned them there was a fleet in front of them, they had time to react and think about what to do to save the day.
Good good, now post all the panels in which she failed to notice a danger, the enemy´s movement and so forth despite being on the lookout, and also the panels in which she is actually put aside for someone else to do the same job (Nami for example), and then tell me how that compares to a navigator whose talents as a child were so developed that even a human hating race that lives in the sea needed her talents, or a sniper whose range has been emphasized and praised several times, or a cook who comes from a famous restaurant and can turn any ingredient into an orgasmic dish that even royalty loses their composure, or a doctor, whose skills have been praised countless times and who comes from a famous country of highly advanced doctors but who also in addition is the only student of a legendary doctor within that country, or an archaeologist who comes from a famous line of archaeologists and who is the only person in the entire world to be able to read the most important ancient language, or a shipwright who is one of the two only students of a legendary shipwright, or a musician that can play any instrument and can uplift people with his ability, or the only fishman who can communicate with fish and whose innate abilities to be able to read currents even overshadows the danger a Yonkou commander represents on the seas.
It´s not that hard to grasp.
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I think 100++ chapters is already more than enough time to know whether a character is going to be a main or supporting character. I don't need to wait another 100 chapters to see how amazing Carrot is for a NN.
Sadly, given the place Oda gives to the crewmembers recently, I’m not sure it is such an important criteria. And whoever joins won’t makes things better unfortunatly
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Also, for my two bits. If the last crewmate is from Wano, then I'm like 99% positive they won't be a conventional samurai, since Zoro and Jinbei got the aesthetics and design of that already. They got to be some eccentric, Nobunaga-like dude (or dudette) to really stand out from the crowd. And something a bit more then just another sword style.
So, I would think of some sort of youkai like being is more likely. Also, since I'm sure if Wano does have them, there's another discriminatory angle for Oda to tackle, and damn does he love that.
If male I want a ninja
If female a kunoichi or Onna-bugeisha
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I want a fun distinct character that really stands out obviously to the reader from pretty much as soon as they show up.
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Ultimately that will forever be the funniest thing about this thread series.
With the bare exception of Robin (stood out like hell) and Jimbei (teased with "the whole next crewmate will be a boss character" thing), the new crewmate has almost always been INSANELY obvious as soon as they walked on screen.
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Brooke owns because literally within the first chapter he appeared he basically joined the crew.
Thriller Barque story begins
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@S.C.:
I wouldn't say that. It's a safe bet to say Wano is going to be a long damn arc, and there's still quite a bit of time in the series for them, too.
Something to ask cuz my memory is clouded.
Doesn’t this quote include Jinbe and we only will get 1 new additional character.
Would fit if both would join at Wano… or in Jinbe’s case he finally sails with us
If not I’m with Jabra and after Wano there would be no time.
But still I have absolutely no Carrot for nakama vibes
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Sadly, given the place Oda gives to the crewmembers recently, I’m not sure it is such an important criteria. And whoever joins won’t makes things better unfortunatly
Oda relegating established crewmate to the sideline is fine albeit annoying.
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@Monkey:
I forgot about this guy existing haha.
Careful! Opening your immensely fool mouth about anything not about cartoons and you might be kicked out of half of this section of the forums too lol.This isn't the section to talk about gender politics.
It's a next crewmate discussion thread for god sake.
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This isn't the section to talk about gender politics.
It's a next crewmate discussion thread for god sake.
I'm sorry that talking about the vagina rabbit makes you uncomfortable.
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@Monkey:
I'm sorry that talking about the vagina rabbit makes you uncomfortable.
Here's the thread so i can feel comfortable.
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Here's the thread so i can feel comfortable.
It was neat how in this arc (unlike the overrated attempt in Amazon Lily) Oda definitely challenged his issues with drawing varied female character designs, and succeeded really well in most cases. My personal fave female design was probably Amande.
What are your thoughts on this subject SuburbanErrorist?
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@Cyan:
Normally we'd get a long twelve paragraph screed about how this insignificant thing is actually significant.
A collage about how this insignificant thing is actually significant is a new innovation in the unending War On Nakamates.
I like how the collage uses entire pages and panels from the same scene, and uses both jump good and in the crows nest and even other characters to make it look like more examples than it actually is
It also doesn't include the dozens of examples of failing at her job or others doing it equally well.
@Monkey:
Brooke owns because literally within the first chapter he appeared he basically joined the crew.
Thriller Barque story begins
Nakamate Thread: aha, let us begin the incredible riddle again! Which unknowable character will emerge from the sidelines to be the next member!
Brooke in First Goddamn Chapter: Yo, its me.And yet people STILL argued against him for some time for… some reason. because he was too weird I guess. There were people still arguing against him until the Laboon connection.
Same reason people argued for PAULY of all things over Franky... too wierd. But the argument should have been over the instant we saw ace ventura hair popeye arm metal nose triangle chin star tatoo hawaiian shirt speedo dancing man, even before we got to his flashback. Jinbe at least at the time of his first appearance, was too powerful for the crew, but most of the credible theories for him started before he even came on camera. But most of the objections to him were that... he looked weird and fat.
If the actual next crewmate doesn't create a stir because they're strange looking, Oda will have seriously stepped his game down.
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For my two cents, I still think Carrot's going to join, and I'm looking forward to it. But I'm a Jinbe supporter first and foremost, and right now I can't bring myself to be too vocal about her when he is still MIA. The momentum of the last arc has gone, so now it has to be rebuilt for me to feel excited again. It's another 2 years we're looking at, and it's daunting.
With that said, I think Carrot naturally fits up top on the masts more than doing work down below decks. Lookout just happens to be one of those above-deck jobs she could reasonably do. Nami (I assume) also had Carrot take care of the sails, which speaks to her being an able deckhand. In any case, she's not being treated like a guest, she's pulling her own weight and has been for some time now. The whole octopus bit was weird, but no one on the ship noticed it, and no one in the story blamed Carrot for overlooking it, so I'm not gonna jump down her throat about it either.
One thing I liked was seeing how she was kinda the only one as excited as Luffy about everything going on. The others were more or less freaked out about it all, which is pretty much the norm when there's crazy danger, Luffy happy and everyone else either panicking or gritting their teeth. It's refreshing to have some more on Luffy's wavelength for once.
Like the Avatar? / Like the Miis?Dragalia Lost ID: 97617932505
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For my two cents, I still think Carrot's going to join, and I'm looking forward to it. But I'm a Jinbe supporter first and foremost, and right now I can't bring myself to be too vocal about her when he is still MIA. The momentum of the last arc has gone, so now it has to be rebuilt for me to feel excited again. It's another 2 years we're looking at, and it's daunting.
With that said, I think Carrot naturally fits up top on the masts more than doing work down below decks. Lookout just happens to be one of those above-deck jobs she could reasonably do. Nami (I assume) also had Carrot take care of the sails, which speaks to her being an able deckhand. In any case, she's not being treated like a guest, she's pulling her own weight and has been for some time now. The whole octopus bit was weird, but no one on the ship noticed it, and no one in the story blamed Carrot for overlooking it, so I'm not gonna jump down her throat about it either.
One thing I liked was seeing how she was kinda the only one as excited as Luffy about everything going on. The others were more or less freaked out about it all, which is pretty much the norm when there's crazy danger, Luffy happy and everyone else either panicking or gritting their teeth. It's refreshing to have some more on Luffy's wavelength for once.
As I said as well… Jinbe momentum is really gone. While I love him having finally joining the crew as full cast I am still not that excited anymore
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I think at this point the only role they lack is maybe cabinboy. I don't remember lookout presented as some pirate role, at least not for someone in particular. There is the barrels guy, I think, but not really needed.
And people talked sole while ago about dancer, because you got musician brook, but now that robin gets training in dancing, she fills that role too.
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If Luffy doesn't invite any yokai to join the crew (serious or jokingly), I'll be disappointed. Just look at some of them.:ninja:
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I like how the collage uses entire pages and panels from the same scene, and uses both jump good and in the crows nest and even other characters to make it look like more examples than it actually is
The collage only includes other characters when they're in the same panel as Carrot being a lookout, or when they're reacting to Carrot being a lookout. Those panels are there to show that she's actually having an effect on how the crew is operating, not to pad out space in the collage.
It also doesn't include the dozens of examples of failing at her job or others doing it equally well.
The only times Carrot "fails" at her job is when she's not in the crow's nest. Be it being KO from sulong use, or molesting Luffy. That would be like saying Jimbei "fails" at his job if he was sleeping or eating when the ship gets caught up in a fast current.
But the argument should have been over the instant we saw ace ventura hair popeye arm metal nose triangle chin star tatoo hawaiian shirt speedo dancing man, even before we got to his flashback.
Hindsight is 20/20. You forget that Franky's boys beat the shit out of Usopp. This wasn't like Robin where she never actually did anything to harm the strawhats, and she was secretly working against the villain the whole time. Franky endorsed his crew's actions. Also, this is the manga that has Buggy as a villain. You can't automatically say that the wacky looking guy must be the next crewmate.
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Do fish have fat ?
They have blubber.
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Or you know, Chopper could make a drug to transform Carrot into a Sulong
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@S.C.:
Also, for my two bits. If the last crewmate is from Wano, then I'm like 99% positive they won't be a conventional samurai, since Zoro and Jinbei got the aesthetics and design of that already. They got to be some eccentric, Nobunaga-like dude (or dudette) to really stand out from the crowd. And something a bit more then just another sword style.
So, I would think of some sort of youkai like being is more likely. Also, since I'm sure if Wano does have them, there's another discriminatory angle for Oda to tackle, and damn does he love that.
The problem I have with someone from Wano joining the crew is… why didn't Oda introduce them earlier?
Kinemon was introduced all the way back in Punk Hazard. Why didn't Oda establish this potential new nakama from Wano then or at any point prior to Wano arc?
And none of the Wano crew we've been introduced to so far stand out imo. The most "prominent" has been Kinemon and he disappeared for most of Dressrosa. The only one that comes to mind as a "maybe" is Momo joining the crew in some capacity kind of like how Oden was an apprentice of Roger.
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The problem I have with someone from Wano joining the crew is… why didn't Oda introduce them earlier?
Kinemon was introduced all the way back in Punk Hazard. Why didn't Oda establish this potential new nakama from Wano then or at any point prior to Wano arc?
I don't think that this is the big problem. If anything, Oda's modus operandi so far when it comes to new crewmembers has almost always been to let them join and handle the aspects of them joining (like flashback) at the island or arc when they appear. Yes, there are exceptions (Robin and very likely Jinbe), but there is a clear pattern (Zoro, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Franky, Brook).
Now Oda can always break those patterns. But not introducing a new crewmember a few hundred chapters before is in line with how he largely chose to handle those situations in the past.
Besides, Wano is shaping up to be very massive. One may compare it to Water 7/Enies Lobby. And Oda managed to put the whole situation with Franky in one arc where there was much focus on other things. I think Wano will be big enough to give a new crewmember plenty of time to establish his story and characteristics so by the time said crewmember might join at Wano we will already be used to him like we are to Kinemon now.
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The problem I have with someone from Wano joining the crew is… why didn't Oda introduce them earlier?
Kinemon was introduced all the way back in Punk Hazard. Why didn't Oda establish this potential new nakama from Wano then or at any point prior to Wano arc?
And none of the Wano crew we've been introduced to so far stand out imo. The most "prominent" has been Kinemon and he disappeared for most of Dressrosa. The only one that comes to mind as a "maybe" is Momo joining the crew in some capacity kind of like how Oden was an apprentice of Roger.
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Oh and I forgot but it sounds like Kinemon and Kanjuro met Roger which seems like a major "no go" for those guys joining the crew.
Thats like asking why Oda didn't introduce Franky, Chopper, Sanji or Brook before we got to their respective arcs.
The only SH we knew before they joined were Zoro(Luffy went looking for him specifically after hearing about him), Jimbei(all the way back in Arlong's arc), Robin when she blew up that guy
