@K.:
Carrot is there for exposition. First with Sulong. And soon with her questioning about the Dawn.
She is the epitome of red hareing.
Calling something a "red herring" before it's revealed to be, a classic in troll logic.
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I like Carrot. I find her a bit refreshing even as far as female people on the ship.
I think there's decent signailing of potential crewmateship with Carrot. Not enough by far yet, but I don't blame people for thinking she might turn out more plausible soon.But this sorry sorry sorry ass garbage you three are putting out sure as hell isn't making the case at all. Goddamn.
I mean seriously? Hey guys! Let's revive the weakest and worst non-position ever mentioned in this thread as our main point! The LOOKOUT POSITION!
lollllllStop trying to be Nostradamus and actually wait for Oda to showcase a major point you can make that isn't some worthless nonsense you made up in your heads. Seriously, LOOKOUT, ahahahaha.
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Calling something a "red herring" before it's revealed to be, a classic in troll logic.
Or you could notice the spelling and see the joke.
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@Monkey:
I like Carrot. I find her a bit refreshing even as far as female people on the ship.
I think there's decent signailing of potential crewmateship with Carrot. Not enough by far yet, but I don't blame people for thinking she might turn out more plausible soon.But this sorry sorry sorry ass garbage you three are putting out sure as hell isn't making the case at all. Goddamn.
I mean seriously? Hey guys! Let's revive the weakest and worst non-position ever mentioned in this thread as our main point! The LOOKOUT POSITION!
lollllllStop trying to be Nostradamus and actually wait for Oda to showcase a major point you can make that isn't some worthless nonsense you made up in your heads. Seriously, LOOKOUT, ahahahaha.
Never once I have said that Carrot should join the crew because the lookout role needs to be filled. That is not how it works, first comes character dynamics, goals and motivations, the rest is secondary. But if the lookout role is discussed, better debate and clear up what I think are huge misconceptions both about the role and the skills of characters at it.
Also, instead of venting your random frustration of the day I don't really give a fuck about, if you want to discuss bring some decent argument to support your claim. Specially if you want to call the lookout position irrelevant. Because the position exists and is relevant enough to be part of the routine of the SHs and force them to take shifts.
"Stop trying to be Nostradamus" is just… do you know which thread did you happen to step into?
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@K.:
Or you could notice the spelling and see the joke.
Oh, I got that joke, but I thought you were also serious with that. I misread, my bad.
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Specially if you want to call the lookout position irrelevant. Because the position exists and is relevant enough to be part of the routine of the SHs and force them to take shifts.
Lookout position in the series isn't made to be relevant or something official.
And yes, they do take shifts but there isn't any complaints from them, or something that establishes the fact that SH crew WANTS a lookout. And no, random joke one-time joke by Luffy and Usopp doesn't make lookout as the official position in the series and one that SH are after.
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Lookout position in the series isn't made to be relevant or something official.
And yes, they do take shifts but there isn't any complaints from them, or something that establishes the fact that SH crew WANTS a lookout. And no, random joke one-time joke by Luffy and Usopp doesn't make lookout as the official position in the series and one that SH are after.
It is made to be relevant enough for the SHs to fill that role and take shifts. Whether it becomes an official position associated with a specific character or not is a different debate but the position is there and the SHs need to cover it. And they do, right now, through the shift system.
Either way, my position in this debate is not "look how important having a lookout is for the crew!", but to talk about Carrot's performance of that role and how good other characters are at it in comparison, because that's where the debate was going. Lookout is a basic role in the routine of navigation, and that is true whether it's Carrot or the entire crew taking shifts. That's really the only basis I would bring for the role, not really interested in selling Carrot through her role because that would be incidental to her character narrative and the actual emotional ties that would determine if she joins or not. It seems my stance in this debate was misinterpreted, I guess I didn't explain myself well enough.
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"My position isn't that lookout is important or a thing"
"HOW DARE YOU QUESTION THE SANCTITY OF THE VERY REAL AND IMPORTANT LOOKOUT POSITION"
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@Monkey:
"My position isn't that lookout is important or a thing"
"HOW DARE YOU QUESTION THE SANCTITY OF THE VERY REAL AND IMPORTANT LOOKOUT POSITION"
Thanks, I was worried about my written expression. It turns out that you have zero reading comprehension.
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Thanks, I was worried about my written expression. It turns out that you have zero reading comprehension.
I dunno, I think he got it.
@Sugeeking:It is made to be relevant enough for the SHs to fill that role and take shifts. Whether it becomes an official position associated with a specific character or not is a different debate but the position is there and the SHs need to cover it. And they do, right now, through the shift system.
@Monkey:
"My position isn't that lookout is important or a thing"
Either way, my position in this debate is not "look how important having a lookout is for the crew!", but to talk about Carrot's performance of that role and how good other characters are at it in comparison, because that's where the debate was going. Lookout is a basic role in the routine of navigation, and that is true whether it's Carrot or the entire crew taking shifts.
@Monkey:
"HOW DARE YOU QUESTION THE SANCTITY OF THE VERY REAL AND IMPORTANT LOOKOUT POSITION"
Either lookout is an important vital function that needs to be filled that Carrot happens to be the very best candidate to fill… or it's not important at all and Carrot is serving no function on the ship. (Also Oda already established they do it in shifts so no one loses too much sleep.)
You can't justify and hype her role as "the lookout" but at the same time accept "yeah, Carrot has consistently failed to see anything in advance enough to actually warn the crew about it, and also Oda wont ever want to spoil the surprise of the story, so it's not actually THAT important"
It can't be crucial to her specialness and ALSO be something Oda downplays and wants to skip over consistently because it mucks with the story.
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Have we reached the point of the conversation where we point out how using a supposed talent for a job on the ship is a proven bad argument, see: Paulie.
Especially if they fuck up the job constantly.
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Been forever since I've seen A Pup named Scooby-Doo.
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Nobody asked Carrot if she really wants to be the lookout.
“As I stand out here in the wonders of the unknown at Hadley, I sort of realize there’s a fundamental truth to our nature: Man must explore!” – David Scott, Moon
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Nobody asked Carrot if she really wants to be the lookout.
They did ask her if the stronger minks could also do her Sulong trick, however.
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Either lookout is an important vital function that needs to be filled that Carrot happens to be the very best candidate to fill… or it's not important at all and Carrot is serving no function on the ship. (Also Oda already established they do it in shifts so no one loses too much sleep.)
Lookout is an important vital function that needs to be filled. Carrot filling the lookout role is an alternative, another alternative would be, for instance, doing it in shifts.
You are just looking for contradictions where there are none. Had I said explicitly or implicitly that Carrot is the only viable alternative, you would start to have a point. And Monkey King just misquoted me to make it look like I'm saying that the lookout tasks are not relevant when I specifically say "my position in the debate", a debate that is not focused on the relevance of the role in the ship but on Carrot's feats and the comparison with other characters at this role. You should know better, since I was answering to your post.
You can't justify and hype her role as "the lookout"
Justifying is one thing, hyping is another thing. I can justify her role based on whatever reasons I bring to the debate on whether or not she is good or fit as a lookout, but you haven't seen me hyping her. If your problem is that you believe the Carrot defenders are a squad of single-minded individuals, read what I actually write instead and then come back, because I'm in no way obliged to respond to a straw man.
but at the same time accept "yeah, Carrot has consistently failed to see anything in advance enough to actually warn the crew about it, and also Oda wont ever want to spoil the surprise of the story, so it's not actually THAT important"
I didn't accept that, I don't know what the fuck are you talking about.
It can't be crucial to her specialness and ALSO be something Oda downplays and wants to skip over consistently because it mucks with the story.
That is what you say, not what I say, so why are you trying to shoehorn it in my statements? Do you get a prize for revealing me as a hypocrite? Try at least to bring what I write because this whole fuss you are making is about me, not about you.
Whatever, I'm getting tired of responding to made up bullshit that misinterprets my stance in these debates. This is crossing the line between bad wording/reading comprehension and plain malice. And I'm not further feeding this. Bye.
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The problem with Carrot is her Sulong form actually. It's even the best counter-argument.
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"If your problem is that you believe the Carrot defenders are a squad of single-minded individuals,"
Pretty much, actually. Your arguments all run together because they all hinge on the exact same thing, "Carrot is great for lookout because she can… jump high" and ignoring the exact same things like "she hasn't actually done any effective looking out and Oda doesn't want to spoil surprises."
If you don't actually bring anything new to the table, don't take it so personally.
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"If your problem is that you believe the Carrot defenders are a squad of single-minded individuals,"
Pretty much, actually. Your arguments all run together because they all hinge on the exact same thing, and ignoring the exact same things.
Don't take it personally.
Sorry, Robby, but I DO take it personally because it's not true, and because I don't respond for what other people write. I try my best to make myself understood and this is very frustrating, specially when it's not my fault. It wouldn't be the first time I've had a disagreement with other Carrot defenders (in fact). There have been many discussions about the character in three years. Not all of them were about a war of polar opposites. Snow fruit theory? Carrot needing certain standards to join? There has been a lot of discussion among Carrot defenders about these things, myself included.
No matter what you believe, if I for instance don't say "Carrot is the best fit as a lookout", I don't need to respond for that statement. This is where the debate ends, the rest is your assumption. And a quite offensive one if you ask me.
And I guess I don't bring anything new to the table, I can give you that (not that I intend to). It still doesn't justify putting statements in my mouth that I never expressed.
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Once we've worn down this lookout thing for the umpteenth time it then goes to "but a rabbit is so unique!" but ignores "we've had a blue nosed one horned hat wearing transforming reindeer for 17 years."
It then goes to "but she can do Sulong!" which ignores "once a month, and Chopper also has a monster transformation, and immediately after she did it she was asked if other stronger minks could also do it."
Then it switches to "she took care of that one situation!" which ignores that everyone on the boat had multiple opportunities to shine during the arc.
Then it switches to "she's been around for so long!" which ignores other characters that have been with the crew equally as long or that arcs are longer in general now." (I think we had that one just a few hours ago.)
Then it switches to "she'll be really impressive later!" which completely ignores the point just attempted about how long she's been around, and again ignores the general increase in arc length (and Kinemon who is a perfect parallel but is a dude so he doesn't count.)
Then it switches to "sure, this forum has been through two dozen other candidates over the years but THIS one is different because I like them! It doesn't matter that this is identical to Perona/Hancock/Shirahoshi/Caimie/etc."
Then it switches to "her design is plenty distinct!" and has to forcefully ignore and downplay all the unique elements and achievements of the actual crew.
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Carrot is there for exposition. First with Sulong. And soon with her questioning about the Dawn.
We already had two minks on the voyage. There was absolutely no need for Oda to add a third mink in order to show off sulong.
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But this sorry sorry sorry ass garbage you three are putting out sure as hell isn't making the case at all. Goddamn.
I mean seriously? Hey guys! Let's revive the weakest and worst non-position ever mentioned in this thread as our main point! The LOOKOUT POSITION!
lollllllStop trying to be Nostradamus and actually wait for Oda to showcase a major point you can make that isn't some worthless nonsense you made up in your heads. Seriously, LOOKOUT, ahahahaha.
We aren't pulling this lookout thing out of our asses you know. There's an awful lot of instances of her doing lookout stuff for you to be able to brush it away with "lol no".
Purely coincidence
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No matter what you believe, if I for instance don't say "Carrot is the best fit as a lookout",
No, you instead said
Either way, my position in this debate is not "look how important having a lookout is for the crew!", but to talk about Carrot's performance of that role and how good other characters are at it in comparison,
So… you're discussing it, saying that there is obviously a lookout role, and then, why Carrot is a good fit for that role compared to others.
If that's not your issue, not part of your argument, then don't talk about that part! Skip it entirely and focus on what is YOUR opinion. If you don't agree with it, don't include it in your statement.
Otherwise, yes, you're going to be lumped in with the others. If you agree with it, or seem to agree with it, don't get upset when people assume that.... you agree with it.
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And yes, they do take shifts but there isn't any complaints from them, or something that establishes the fact that SH crew WANTS a lookout.
No strawhat ever said that they needed a sniper, an archeologist, or a helmsman before Usopp, Robin, or Jimbei joined.
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Nobody asked Carrot if she really wants to be the lookout.
Carrot herself said that she wanted to do work on the ship, and her first choice for doing work on the ship was to be the lookout.
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Then it switches, then it switches, then it switches.
As said, don't try to shoehorn me in your reductive scheme. I haven't brought any of the above reasons to my reasoning. If you have a problem with them discuss with the ones who bring them, not me.
"But a rabbit is so unique" - Never even brought that as an argument.
"But she can do Sulong" - Sulong is cool, is not a reason to become a Straw Hat to me, and not a reason against either.
"She took care of that one situation" - Only brought it up when people downplay Carrot's role in the arc. It's a counter, not an argument.
"She's been around for so long!" - This is a common argument, but I'd never say "she's been around for so long" as an argument. What she's been doing and what kind of relationships and connections she grew, those are arguments I can get into. Not the amount of time. I know that Kinemon, Momonosuke and Vivi have been for longer.
"She'll be really impressive later!" - There is a difference between believing this, which I do because she's a young character with potential and because the narrative has hinted at this, and connecting it with her being a member of the crew, much less as a reason to become one. I never did the latter, in fact, I never talked about her potential strength or feats as a reason to fit her in the crew. Carrot can be important to the story, either as a crewmember or not.
"THIS one is different" - Of course Carrot has differential traits. Every character has them. Bringing these differential traits and interpreting stuff about their development based on them is valid. Saying that Carrot is too ignorant about the outside world and therefore she is not fit for the SH crew at this point of their journey is valid. Saying that Carrot has a will for adventure and joining the SHs is a plausible way to fulfill that dream is valid. See? We can make valid statements for either side.
"Because I like them!" - Talk about projection here.
"Her design is plenty distinct!" - Again, only used as a counter, and I'll say it once and for all: I wouldn't care if Carrot was a Chopper or a Nami clone, if the narrative is the same my position in the debate about her joining or not doesn't change. Rebecca wasn't rejected because she was a Nami clone, but because she had a family and no actual intent to leave Dressrosa.
If you want to discuss with me or what I personally defend to believe that Carrot will join the crew, you should better talk about Carrot's motivations, goals, connections with the crew and speculations on her future role in the story, because those are my primary reasons. I don't care if Carrot is great as a lookout, I don't give a fuck if she is useful, and I don't give a damn if she is distinguishable from Chopper or not. Probably others do and turn it into their main reasons, and I respect that. But I don't, and therefore I'm not obliged in any way to respond for their statements.
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The only time I remember a straw hat not being absolutely perfect with their job was with nami twice, at the start of the grandline and on fishman island going to the new world both times to explain to the audience the new types of log post
outside of that nami has never messed up navigating no matter how hard, she finds paths through whirl pools no one else could know
usopp never misses a shot, and when franky gave him a new cannon on the sunny he excelled at it immediately, he hit people from far far away at eneis lobby
Sanji makes amazing food, no one's ever complained about it, he saved the whole country of Totland with his cake
Chopper always takes care of the crew, he immediately made an antidote for Luffy when he was poisoned by Crocodile, helped out those kids at punk hazard
Robin has never failed to read and bring to light what the ponglyphs were telling them, she was majorly important on Skypeia thanks to that and also gave us info on fishman island too as it related to the ancient weapons
Franky, made an amazing ship, and all sorts of wacky weapons and vehicles to go with it, instantly made a beautiful bridge out of scraps in mere seconds to help them get across an area in thriller bark that oars destroyed and did the same thing by making a staircase in mid air for him and chopper to climb up on
Brook music is always considered wonderful by whoever hears it and can even use it to put people asleep or make them hallucinate like he did on fishman island
Jinbei has shown he can do what no one else can by guiding the ship through gigantic waves
In this chapter alone Carrot couldn't even foresee a group of giant koai fish , a giant upwards waterfall or an octopus jumping on ship
how exactly is she perfect for this role?
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So… you're discussing it, saying that there is obviously a lookout role, and then, why Carrot is a good fit for that role compared to others.
I never said that Carrot was a good fit compared to others. It was you the one who compared to others and brought Usopp, and I discussed this argument. Don't be so blatantly dishonest.
If that's not your issue, not part of your argument, then don't talk about that part! Skip it entirely and focus on what is YOUR opinion. If you don't agree with it, don't include it in your statement.
I can talk about it because it's being discussed and I believe I have something to say, and still not make my own reasons for Carrot to join the crew about it. They are DIFFERENT DEBATES. Carrot performing well enough as a lookout or not is a debate, Carrot being a viable nakama candidate is another.
Otherwise, yes, you're going to be lumped in with the others. If you agree with it, or seem to agree with it, don't get upset when people assume that…. you agree with it.
If you write "seem to agree" yourself and are not utterly embarrassed to keep bringing this bullshit to the table after taking my time to clarify it again and again, then I don't know what else to do with you.
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Then it switches, then it switches, then it switches.
If none of those are your arguments, then don't respond to any of them or their rebuttals as if they were yours. You obviously aren't actually the one being talked to or about in that case, so don't take it personally.
Start from scratch here, no baggage, no prior arguments, no insight from others.
What is YOUR take? What is YOUR unique opinion that is not being said by others?
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If none of those are your arguments, then don't respond to any of them or their rebuttals as if they were yours. You obviously aren't actually the one being talked to in that case, so don't take it personally.
Start from scratch here, no baggage, no prior arguments, no insight from others.
What is YOUR take? What is YOUR unique opinion that is not being said by others?
Don't you get it? I can respond to arguments I disagree with, whenever I want, because this is a forum and when I find a post I believe is wrong I can answer it and bring my own counterpoints. Whatever you want to infer about my actual thoughts on whatever overall scheme loosely based on the fact that I disagree with these arguments is your problem, not mine. God damn, don't be such a manchild.
"What is YOUR unique opinion"… do you even read?
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I am apologizing.
There has obviously been misunderstanding.
I am asking.
For YOUR take.
With nothing else surrounding it.
In order to prevent further misunderstanding.
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I am saying.
There has obviously been misunderstanding.
I am asking.
For YOUR TAKE.
With nothing else surrounding it.
I have explained myself already, in that same post you quoted previously I mentioned which kinds of reasons I do find convincing for Carrot to plausibly join the crew: motivation, goals, connections with the crew and speculations for her future role. If you want some day we can go into specifics about these, but today I am fed up with making you understand that I stand for what I say and defend, and not for what others do, and that me disagreeing with Carrot performing badly as a lookout doesn't translate to me believing that Carrot being a lookout is a reason that justifies her joining in the future.
On the other hand, you seem to be fixated now on the idea that i have a UNIQUE opinion and that is not the case. My opinion has been shared by many people. It's just not the one you are inferring, since I don't identify my position with any step of the scheme you wrote. I never claimed to have original or unique opinions, that's a trap you are trying to set yourself, either on purpose (I hope not) or as a result of misreading.
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Chopper always takes care of the crew, he immediately made an antidote for Luffy when he was poisoned by Crocodile, helped out those kids at punk hazard
Robin gave Cobra the antidote to Crocodile's poison, Chopper didn't make it. And it was Law that was actually able to do anything for the kids. You also forgot that Chopper wasn't able to cure Luffy from the poison fish he ate on the way to WCI, it was Reiju who cured Luffy.
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Chopper always takes care of the crew, he immediately made an antidote for Luffy when he was poisoned by Crocodile, helped out those kids at punk hazard
The antidote to the poison was from Robin.
And I think we should talk more about prior to joining since that's where Carrot is at.
Not that I don't see your point. I think everyone excelled at their trick back then except Chopper who was overshadowed by Kureha in medecine and had no knowledge in the flashback. Like Franky was a genius making battleship in flashback and Brook mention being able to play a shitload of instruments.
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We already had two minks on the voyage. There was absolutely no need for Oda to add a third mink in order to show off sulong.
And yet we had Pekoms there the entire time to do that as well, so technically there WAS a third Mink even if he was unaligned with the crew for most of it. We got to see how a carnivore species Mink goes Sulong as a result (too bad it didn't work out so great for him…really hope we find out what happened to him after soon.)
No strawhat ever said that they needed a sniper, an archeologist, or a helmsman before Usopp, Robin, or Jimbei joined.
What they say they need =/= what a typical crew has or is expected to have. Usopp was the guy manning the cannons before the ship become SUUU-PAAAA thanks to Franky so him being a sniper was secondary to his role on the ship but since off-ship combat is a staple of the series, his abilities in the field are what we focus on. Robin's job is plot-related and unique to any other crew. Other crews like Blackbeard's have a Helmsman so we can chalk Luffy's overlooking that up to his inexperience. Sure, having a lookout is not UNexpected, but it's hardly essential and Carrot did drop the ball pretty hard when, I'm fairly sure, Smoothie sent those slash waves at them.
Her being a Chopper wannabe, and now having to have a pissing contest with Usopp about whose eyesight is better because of this Lookout debacle, doesn't help her case much.
And how long are we going to need to wait to see what bounty she's given since the newest ones are out and she ain't on the list? Jimbei sure as hell has one despite his yet-again-delayed recruitment.
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We already had two minks on the voyage. There was absolutely no need for Oda to add a third mink in order to show off sulong.
Two other Minks that served a different purpose in the story, one even involving the limitation of Sulong. Oda did use Pekoms for that. Carrot got to shine, while Pekoms took the bullet. Oda used more than one Mink so he could keep things spread out, so he could tell other stories besides only showing the Minks prowess. Then he got rid of the ones that could talk about the dawn with the crew and Carrot. So he can explain it further down the line.
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The problem with Carrot is her Sulong form actually. It's even the best counter-argument.
How can a SH fight at his prime only once a month ? Imagine if Luffy could use gear4 only once every arcsThis is a valid point, though not necessarily insurmountable in my opinion.
Momentarily operating on the assumption that Carrot does join, it would naturally feel overly contrived to have every major conflict she's involved in from here on out fall on the night of the full moon to accommodate her. Therefore, it's probably better to put more weight on her baseline ability set.
Put another way, in general if a logia shows up, only Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji (and Jinbe, once he makes it back) can be counted on to fight them. But depending on the logia, the others might end up having skills capable of dealing with it as well (such as Nami nearly melting off one of Monet's wings). So put Carrot's Sulong in the "Right place, Right time, Right opponent" category, rather than try to lump it in with a more typical, on-demand super-mode like Luffy's gears.
Or, who knows, maybe the Minks have a Saiyan-style artificial moon technique they can break out in a bind…
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180+ chapters by the end of Wano arc
That's how many chapters Carrot will have been "part of the crew" without being a bonafide member of the crew. The only characters that has come close to that without joining are Jinbe and Law and both of those are considered by Luffy to be "nakama".
If Carrot disappears during Wano like Kinemon for most of Dressrosa then yeah I'd write her off.
As I was writing this, I was going to say that if we get to Wano proper and Carrot goes back with the Minks to do whatever then she's probably not joining…
But as I'm thinking about it now the Minks to my knowledge are not on Wano, they're still back on Zou.
So prepare your butts because whether you like her or hate her, you're going to be spending more time with Carrot as she pals around with the Strawhat crew for significant chunk of Wano arc.
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@K.:
Two other Minks that served a different purpose in the story, one even involving the limitation of Sulong. Oda did use Pekoms for that. Carrot got to shine, while Pekoms took the bullet. Oda used more than one Mink so he could keep things spread out, so he could tell other stories besides only showing the Minks prowess. Then he got rid of the ones that could talk about the dawn with the crew and Carrot. So he can explain it further down the line.
And yet we had Pekoms there the entire time to do that as well, so technically there WAS a third Mink even if he was unaligned with the crew for most of it. We got to see how a carnivore species Mink goes Sulong as a result (too bad it didn't work out so great for him…really hope we find out what happened to him after soon.)
Lets put it this way: Do you believe that at any point while he was planing out WCI Oda said "Damn, I really wanted to show off this cool transformation form but there are only 2 minks in this arc! I guess I'll add this bunny mink in order to show the transformation. There was just no other way…"
Do any of you believe that is a thing that happened?
What they say they need =/= what a typical crew has or is expected to have.
Take it up with HeartOfDarkness. He's the one who said that, I was just refuting his point.
Purely coincidence
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Oh, I got that joke, but I thought you were also serious with that. I misread, my bad.
There is nothing serious to talk about anymore. The debate goes on in circles, I already gave my input, serious and not about the subject. It has nothing to do with being anti-Carrot, I just see her growth going elsewhere. The same "clues" that are being used for her inclusion, I am using to see her joining the fleet. Because, I do think she will have character development. She will go from naive bunny girl to someone with an incredible, noble purpose. People just take the Nox Pirates things to literally. At the end of the day, what is important is that there will be a Mink faction that is under Luffy's flag. The same way not all the Tonttatas are part of Leo's crew, I do not think all Minks will be part of the Minks that join the fleet.
I just call it Nox 2.0, because in some shape or form, it will honor Pedro. It can be as simple as someone asking what will be the name of the Mink crew, a little flashback to Pedro, and them saying: "The Nox Pirates" or to change it up "The Dawn" Pirates. And if they do join the fleet, I expect them to do something during their cover story. What will they do? Whatever they want, but there is an option to use the original Nox's mission to fill that in. I think the fleet is not complete yet.
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just wait for Carrot to met Barto.
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Lets put it this way: Do you believe that at any point while he was planing out WCI Oda said "Damn, I really wanted to show off this cool transformation form but there are only 2 minks in this arc! I guess I'll add this bunny mink in order to show the transformation. There was just no other way…"
Do any of you believe that is a thing that happened?
Yes, and you have no proof to counter it, jajajaja.
What is the point of this question? It answers nothing, what does it matter how I believe on how things were planned.
From what came out though, it seems that Oda wanted to flesh out further the Minks. And besides Pekoms which was tied to Big Mom and the arc, the others served each their purpose. With Pedro how important the dawn means to him, and with Carrot, considering Pedro's sacrifice and that Pekoms was going to get captured, a recipient of Pedro's will, a way for the readers to learn from a naive perspective.
It is okay you think that means it will develop into the next crew member. I do not.
"Do you really believe that for the last crew member Oda went into the planning meeting and said: "Everyone, for the last one, let's just wing it"?
Do any of you believe that is a thing that happened?
PS: I know your answer is yes, and the question is as bad.
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Or, who knows, maybe the Minks have a Saiyan-style artificial moon technique they can break out in a bind…
If they did, they would have used it when Jack attacked.
Purely coincidence
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@K.:
There is nothing serious to talk about anymore. The debate goes on in circles, I already gave my input, serious and not about the subject. It has nothing to do with being anti-Carrot, I just see her growth going elsewhere. The same "clues" that are being used for her inclusion, I am using to see her joining the fleet. Because, I do think she will have character development. She will go from naive bunny girl to someone with an incredible, noble purpose. People just take the Nox Pirates things to literally. At the end of the day, what is important is that there will be a Mink faction that is under Luffy's flag. The same way not all the Tonttatas are part of Leo's crew, I do not think all Minks will be part of the Minks that join the fleet.
I just call it Nox 2.0, because in some shape or form, it will honor Pedro. It can be as simple as someone asking what will be the name of the Mink crew, a little flashback to Pedro, and them saying: "The Nox Pirates" or to change it up "The Dawn" Pirates. And if they do join the fleet, I expect them to do something during their cover story. What will they do? Whatever they want, but there is an option to use the original Nox's mission to fill that in. I think the fleet is not complete yet.
Thanks for the elaboration. While I disagree personally, it's not like I find anything essentially wrong with your stance, just a different interpretation of these clues I have nothing against. On the premise at least, I'm sure we could debate this and have actual arguments and counterarguments. I'm just not in the mood right now, for reasons.
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Until now, no one has had such a huge chara-development. In fact, the biggest chara-development in this manga (flashbacks excluded) is probably Bellamy turning from a thug, to Doflamingo's bitch, to an orphan. The second biggest chara-development seen so far is Sengoku becoming chill as fuck
If I ain't missing anything, that's pretty much it.What would even be the purpose of the Nox Pirates though ? Especially given that Carrot is the only mink that seem to care about moving outside of Zou. If they create a crew like that, they'd just follow Luffy to get the last road-poneglyph anyway
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If they did, they would have used it when Jack attacked.
Was meant mainly as a joke, but you're right. Don't know why the battle with Jack slipped my mind…
Without love, it cannot be seen.
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If you're anti-Carrot, when do you think Carrot will leave the Strawhat group?
Because the SHs didn't take a pit stop at Zou on their way to Wano. The Minks afaik are still back on Zou.
Everything in the story is pointing towards us spending a lot more quality time with Carrot.
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Was meant mainly as a joke, but you're right. Don't know why the battle with Jack slipped my mind…
It doesn't exist at the moment, but now that I think about it… If ever there's a moon arc, or Enel comes back or something, he might return with some moon rocks, and that could be used in some way to use sulong form outside of fights.
I sort of doubt it though. Asside from Luffy and Zoro, its pretty rare now-a-days for all strawhats to get huge fights every arc. If Carrot joins, I don't see her going sulong more than 2~3 times after Wano even if she could summon it every night. She managed to beat Brulée, Randolph, and Diesel at the same time in her normal form, and I don't see her ever fighting enemies much higher ranked than that. She soloed an Emperor's fleet in that form (one of several, but still), that's not something you can break out too often without losing tension. Even Chopper's monster point only beat Kumadori, so it wasn't completely broken. Saving sulong for very rare occasions is probably for the best.
Side note: Its actually shocking that Carrot's already had more fights than Robin has since joining after Alabasta.
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If you're anti-Carrot, when do you think Carrot will leave the Strawhat group?
Because the SHs didn't take a pit stop at Zou on their way to Wano. The Minks afaik are still back on Zou.
Everything in the story is pointing towards us spending a lot more quality time with Carrot.
I'm not an anti-Carrot, more a "why is the 90% Chopper clone still around…?"-Carrot, but maybe Oda plans to build her up as the main representative of the Mink faction. There will be allied Minks not only during the Kaido fight, but also in the final war for sure. Someone has to be their figurehead, and I anticipate that something terrible will happen to the two leaders Inu and Neko. Maybe they will be utterly defeated in order to hype Kaido's top guys, or they can't leave Zou because something is up with Zunisha (she has swirly [Im] eyes as well).
So I assume Carrot will escort the Minks back to Zou after Kaido is defeated, only to reappear as an allied captain in the final war (just like Leo leading the Dwarves, Aladin the Fishman Pirates etc.)
The only thing that throws me off at the moment is the fact that the next 2 members will join successively according to Oda. A Franky / Robin style recruitment I guess: One familiar companion joining for good + a fresh character on top. So Jinbe is a given, but if there is no other good candidate in Wano then I'm fully on board with Carrot being the next Nakama. Simply because there is not enough time to build up another member from scratch at this point.
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@Monkey:
I like Carrot. I find her a bit refreshing even as far as female people on the ship.
I think there's decent signailing of potential crewmateship with Carrot. Not enough by far yet, but I don't blame people for thinking she might turn out more plausible soon.But this sorry sorry sorry ass garbage you three are putting out sure as hell isn't making the case at all. Goddamn.
I mean seriously? Hey guys! Let's revive the weakest and worst non-position ever mentioned in this thread as our main point! The LOOKOUT POSITION!
lollllllStop trying to be Nostradamus and actually wait for Oda to showcase a major point you can make that isn't some worthless nonsense you made up in your heads. Seriously, LOOKOUT, ahahahaha.
Maybe read the thread. My posts go back over two years for Carrot. I'm tired of going through the litany of reasons why I think she'll join. I looked at things objectively and said it would make the most sense given where we are in the story, but people still go on and on about some random ass new character who's going to show up in Wano and magically join. I stated back when Pedro died that he was dead, but people like Robby and others were like "Oda doesn't kill characters" despite all of the signs being different.
All of the signs and rational are there when it comes to Carrot, but people keep bringing up shit about how she hasn't been a good lookout yet, so she won't join. That's not even the question to be asking. The question should be, if Carrot has no future on the SH ship, why has Oda taken the effort to draw her in the crow's nest almost a dozen times?
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tbh, Wano will introduce a hottie at any moment, and that will become the new discussion here.
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If its a hottie without a sword…
No more swordspeople on the crew.
I'll just say people are looking at oda's storytelling from a western angle with regards to carrot. She is basically a cute genki girl aesethic whose most similar to luffy and chopper on the crew. (NVM chopper being a complete crybaby for the last 200 chapters). But while we might see it like that im pretty sure oda, who half the people reading this have acknowledged his "problematic / conservative / traditional ways of writing women ", sees carrot differently. That her liking things others dudes like and being excited by danger instead of freaking out/ not caring like nami/robin maoes her completely unique. Like the idea that a woman character is really similar to these two guys might not even have entered his mind and he justs sees it as a fresh new personality.
Something to consider.
