I feel that IMU *might be someone from the Ancient Kingdom side who rally the support of the 20 kings to overthrow the Ancient kingdom for reasons.
Essentially, he/she is a traitor.
With such advanced technology and 3 world-destroying weapons, I find it hard to believe the ancient kingdom will lose the war. There has to be *something that caused them to lose.
Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !
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I can even suspect that IM (crazy eye midget) induced Roger his illness and made Zunisha walk the New World seas. Nevertheless, she can somehow manipulate the fate of others if my theory is correct.
I really liked the factual layout of your conclusions and this is the one that struck me the most (mainly because I had the exact same line of thought but didn't elaborate on it in the chapter discussion thread).
I also thought that IM might have given Roger his illness and it raised a few questions for me:
1. At what point did Roger actually get sick? We know that his last 3 years he was travelling with crocus so he was sick then but what actually got IM's attention to 'cleanse' him
2. If inducing a sickness is IM's way of cleansing then he/she is not really omnipotent because Roger took years to die after getting sick and it wasn't the sickness that killed him in the end; it was an execution.
I'd like to know what you think about this.
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I get the feeling that Imu is speaking in a manner with which we (the reader) cannot understand. Ever since his introduction, he's been accompanied by speech bubbles filled with nothing but dots. Even when in the throne room with the Five Elders. I have two thoughts:
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He's speaking in a language that is foreign to the One Piece world, but perhaps the Five Elders are able to understand.
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He's speaking in a manner similar to how Zunisha "speaks", where only those with the ability to hear the "voice of all living things" can hear him. Sure, we (the readers) could "see" what Zunisha was saying (as it was important to the plot, and we were with Luffy and Momonosuke, who could hear Zunisha), but maybe this is Oda's way of hinting that something is off about Imu.
- He is currently unable to speak out loud for some reason, thus diminishing his ability to control stuff :ninja:
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lol I have a friend who seems to think that enels moon cover story isn't important
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- He is currently unable to speak out loud for some reason, thus diminishing his ability to control stuff :ninja:
- Oda doesn't intend to reveal him fully for a long time and doesn't want to have to deal with his voice for the anime…?
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- Oda doesn't intend to reveal him fully for a long time and doesn't want to have to deal with his voice for the anime…?
All joking aside, does Oda make certain decisions of portrayals in the manga for the sake of the anime? I don’t watch the anime since it differs from the manga and is thus fake.
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I find it really REEEEEALLY hard to believe he didn't take some of that into consideration during Water 7 with the shipwrights as CP9.
Although he recently revealed that he didn't decide which Shipwright would become an enemy at the time of drawing that famous shipwright image, I find it hard to believe that once he decided (certainly very soon after that spread, probably before 325) he wanted to make sure there wasn't an easy way to discern the difference between the members of CP9 and their masked personalities.
This is why the quirks they all had didn't come through when they were wearing masks.
lol I have a friend who seems to think that enels moon cover story isn't important
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Still wanna know what angel wing guy's deal is.
Oda almost certainly makes SOME considerations for the anime and merchandising. Famously he liked the design one of the animators did for CHopper and almost immediately started changing him over to the cuter design, and of course the Whitebeard flag got changed for reasons. And ocassionally he has to tell them specifics like "Don't call Rayleigh captain" or "Don't have Merry be destroyed on the rocks." Those won't stop him from doing whatever he's going to do, (like say, splitting the crew up for a year of real time so the regular VAs don't get to do anything) but that might be part of the reason bounty updates have been spread so far apart, or why Pudding (a major character) didn't actually talk the first time we met her way ahead of her actual role in the story.
He definitely had something in mind with Franky, as he apparently specifically wanted Bon Kurei's voice actor in the role. Of course, once that decision was made Bon's future roles in the series had to be set as "not regular" and "not at the same time as Franky." WHich isn't hard but it is something he had to figure.
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I don't want to seem out of the loop or anything, but how do you see it playing back into the story? I can see Enel returning, as most characters have returned in some shape or form. But his cover story was so out there and independent of anything else going on in the OP world, that I felt it was Oda giving Enel a conclusion to his story.
Maybe Oda has a master plan to how he ties back in, I mean of course he does, but I just can't see a plausible reason for him to return IMO.
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There's no telling what Enel might find out on the Moon. Something that sets his sights back to Earth maybe?
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I really liked the factual layout of your conclusions and this is the one that struck me the most (mainly because I had the exact same line of thought but didn't elaborate on it in the chapter discussion thread).
I also thought that IM might have given Roger his illness and it raised a few questions for me:
1. At what point did Roger actually get sick? We know that his last 3 years he was travelling with crocus so he was sick then but what actually got IM's attention to 'cleanse' him
2. If inducing a sickness is IM's way of cleansing then he/she is not really omnipotent because Roger took years to die after getting sick and it wasn't the sickness that killed him in the end; it was an execution.
I'd like to know what you think about this.
Well, we know that before Roger set his eyes on getting to Raftel, he was a notorious pirate and that was his last journey. It was because he got sick that he wanted to make that journey. At least that is how i remember things.
Maybe those with the true Will of D. have a manner to oppose the "curse" or whatever, but i also think it is a bit farfetched for a DF to have that ability. Nevertheless i strongly think that Im was aware of Roger's exploits and his voyage to Raftel & him even reaching it and learning the truth about Void Century.
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I don't want to seem out of the loop or anything, but how do you see it playing back into the story? I can see Enel returning, as most characters have returned in some shape or form. But his cover story was so out there and independent of anything else going on in the OP world, that I felt it was Oda giving Enel a conclusion to his story.
Maybe Oda has a master plan to how he ties back in, I mean of course he does, but I just can't see a plausible reason for him to return IMO.
I'm not Greg, but Enel's returning. He was a main cover story character (so not someone like, say, Moda from Ace's cover story series), and there are very few of those who haven't returned to the story, and if they didn't they were always part of a group (Crocodile returned, Mrs. Goldenweek hasn't). So based on that alone he's quite likely to return because he was the only previously known character in his cover story.
If there's one cover story series to read, it's his, because it introduces space pirates and has some interesting lore stuff going on in the cave drawings in his last few cover story pages. Some people go pretty tinfoil hat on it, but it could just be Birkan stuff. But still, even if it's just that, Enel realizes Birkans came from the moon. Odd stuff. He's gonna be reintroduced really late-game though, probably at the final war.
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I don't want to seem out of the loop or anything, but how do you see it playing back into the story? I can see Enel returning, as most characters have returned in some shape or form. But his cover story was so out there and independent of anything else going on in the OP world, that I felt it was Oda giving Enel a conclusion to his story.
Maybe Oda has a master plan to how he ties back in, I mean of course he does, but I just can't see a plausible reason for him to return IMO.
Try this:
http://www.onepiecepodcast.com/2015/07/22/the-one-piece-connection/
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so not someone like, say, Moda from Ace's cover story series
Moda did return too tho:ninja:
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Hello Greg, new member here and wanted to share a theory with y'all.
So, we know that Raftel can be reached only by deciphering poneglyphs. The only person who reached Raftel was Roger&Crew where they left all their "treasures" and didn't tell anyone what it was.
Base facts:
1. We can presume that Raftel is a location very well hidden because of some hidden reason, not because Roger left it all in "One Piece" there. So the island was very important before Roger's age. It's importance grew at the time the poneglyphs were made guiding the one who can read them to that island.
2. Roger gave himself up after coming back from Raftel and in his last moment encouraged every living pirate,adventurer, free spirit, etc to find Raftel and get the presumed treasure. The statement must have an ulterior reason other then just enticing pirates to overtake the seas and starting the Golden age of piracy. Whitebeard at his final moments stated that when someone finds One Piece/gets to Raftel, the "World will return to sunrise". This means that there is more to the island then treasure/money/etc.
3. The Goverment fear the possibility of someone to reach Raftel again ( look at the time Whitebeard said OP still exists, the Marines & even Sengoku were terrified and very angered) & they even want a great "Cleansing" to stop the ongoing threats (which are people with the Will of D - Luffy and BB , Ancient Weapons - Shirahoshi, and most likely other pirates like Kaido and BM who own poneglyphs).
4. The poneglyphs were made by the Wano stonemasons who were not affiliated with the Wg/The 20 kingdoms and probably were on ally terms with the Ancient Kingdom, as were other countries most likely. The Poneglyphs tell the story of what happend in the Void Century, thus help restore truth to the world and what the WG is really made up from & they tell about how to get to Raftel. So the island Raftel is somehow connected to the Void Century - Ancient Kingdom.
These are the base facts for the theory, which is this (each number correspons to the base facts):
1.Raftel is an island that is the final destination for one who has read the poneglyphs and wants to learn about the true history. It is the island where only the ones with the Will of D. can go/can discover and it is expecting the one true inheritor some day in the future. Thus it reveals to the one who can get there even more then the Poneglyphs tell and made even Roger to leave all his treasures there and when he returned, he kept it all a secret about what the island is, what the Void Century is and so one - meaning it was not the right time for the world to know about it.
2. Roger & crew arrived there and learned about the void century & about the Ancient Kingdom. After learning the true history, he decided to leave all his belongings and treasures there and, upon knowing he isn't the one to bring " sunrise to the World", decided as his last act of help to entice every pirate, adventurere & free spirit hoping that the true inheritor of the Will of D. would most likely be such a person and will manage to get to Raftel at some point. This was the only was as giving information about how to get there would've made Raftel a known target for the WG.
3. We can all agree that the WG/Celestial Dragons did some nasty stuff back in the Void Century and will do anything to keep it from anyone revealing the truth. This was evident in the last chapter and the "Cleansing" that the Elders talk about is exactly that because they cannot control anymore the upcoming threats like Luffy & BB, Robin who can decipher Poneglyps, Kaido and BM teaming up, Shirahoshi, etc. I can even suspect that IM (crazy eye midget) induced Roger his illness and made Zunisha walk the New World seas. Nevertheless, she can somehow manipulate the fate of others if my theory is correct.
4.Raftel is the last remaining island from the Ancient Kingdom that has preserved part of its technology and its people. The poneglyphs are a guide to get there in hopes that at some point the true inheritor of the Will of D. will arrive at the island. They made it so hard to find so that the WG won't know where they are & made it so that their ally Wano would help them build the map with the island location. The remaining people prepare for a "storm" to bring light to the world and reveal the truth and also to apply justice to the ones that now pose as the "new" symbol of justice, the WG.Roger left all his treasures there to help them rebuild and prepare and his final act towards help bring light into the world was to encourage the true inheritor to go there when the times comes.
Feel free to disapprove.
I thought I was the only one who thought this but because the illmess was brushed over I think it makes enough sense
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Try this:
http://www.onepiecepodcast.com/2015/07/22/the-one-piece-connection/
Good read. The moon people theory is pretty much layed out and this explains things really good. The only missing link is the connection between Moon people and Ancient Kingdom, which probably happend some time ago and triggerd events that concluded with what happend in the Void Century. I bet we will learn a whole lot more by the time SH arrive at Elbaf - Giant Tree (Adam maybe?) - Skypea&sky cities-Moon People.
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The thing I don’t like about the moon and space stuff is that they can breathe in space. When they landed in the sky Oda made a point to show that they needed to adjut to the oxygen level of that high altitude, just like real life. Since then we have seen Caesar Clown control and utilize (at least to my understanding) molecular oxygen.
Let’s say Enel doesn’t need oxygen and atmospheric pressure to survive due to being a logia user - fine. But what about the ancient space race(s)? It just bothers me that air, as it works in real life, has been used as a plot element but is then apparently forgotten as soon as someone goes into space and to a celestial body called the moon which appear to be similar to the real moon.
Either this is a hoax or the story is not consistent!
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Remember when Chopper changed forms and started to fall faster (or slower, can't remember).
You are ignoring the very likelly posibility of that moon having a breathable atmosphere. Just like our moon is a frozen desert, but most big jupiter moons have atmospheres, the OP moon could easily have one.
It was just Titan and Triton. But the google search brings another posibility, of an intratmospheric satelite.
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The thing I don’t like about the moon and space stuff is that they can breathe in space. When they landed in the sky Oda made a point to show that they needed to adjut to the oxygen level of that high altitude, just like real life. Since then we have seen Caesar Clown control and utilize (at least to my understanding) molecular oxygen.
Let’s say Enel doesn’t need oxygen and atmospheric pressure to survive due to being a logia user - fine. But what about the ancient space race(s)? It just bothers me that air, as it works in real life, has been used as a plot element but is then apparently forgotten as soon as someone goes into space and to a celestial body called the moon which appear to be similar to the real moon.
Either this is a hoax or the story is not consistent!
I give up the idea that OP physics can be evaluated like real life physics: if the manga says in the sky they need something special to breath but the characters can breath with out anything special in the moon, then that's it. Period. Or Vegapunk (aka Oda) could explain why if necesary, or the story can be completely told with out explaining it.
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I wonder if the Moon or other places in Space will be actual locations the Strawhats will visit during the Final Arc. I tend to say yes, that after Raftel Oda may want to introduce locations that are even crazier than the ones on the Grand Line.
But likely only after Raftel. I find it convenient to first shows us the connections to the Lost History before we'll make that last stepo in the story to "go into space". So first the flashback about the "Lost 100 years", than a Space Arc as part of the Final War.
Looked at that way, a location in space could be a nice place for the gigantic Luffy vs. Blackbeard fight. Unlike anything seen so far in One Piece.
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I'm usualy very against the "Strawhats in SPACEEE" plot thread, but by using my own argument of "Do you imagine Roger in space?", and how they got to Fishman Island or how Enel got to the moon, or how the strawhats got to the sky islands, then I don't feel so sure.
Certainly, getting to space is not going to be a daily occurrence like the Shabody -> Fishman island, or a very particular set of circumstances, that have been repeated like the upstream current into the White Sea, or a thunder powered airship flying to space.
In the end, I won't like it much, but when it happens I'll be too old to care.
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I give up the idea that OP physics can be evaluated like real life physics: if the manga says in the sky they need something special to breath but the characters can breath with out anything special in the moon, then that's it. Period.
Basically this. I get that we just have to deal with it. I just don't like that rules are set up (e.g. need to adjust to lower air supply in the sky) and yet breathable air appears to be available from earth and to the moon. If the rules change on a whim we, as readers, can't really predict much. Sure, we get surprised, but that's not always a good thing (e.g. string clone).
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Considering how important and flexible devil fruits are, you already lost this battle.
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One Piece science summed up: "Anything that man can imagine is a possibility in reality."
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Many years ago.
On this very board.
A poster suggested the idea of OP going to space.
The poster was berated by many but I said, "Look, it's probably best to never count anything out of this series."
We shouldn't be saying, "This isn't possible." We should be asking, "How can it be possible?"
A few years later we had space pirates.
Always pays to leave yourself open to any possibility.
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Personally my line is drawn at they-were-on-our-earth-all-along-but-a-million-years-from-now or any variant.
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Basically this. I get that we just have to deal with it. I just don't like that rules are set up (e.g. need to adjust to lower air supply in the sky) and yet breathable air appears to be available from earth and to the moon. If the rules change on a whim we, as readers, can't really predict much. Sure, we get surprised, but that's not always a good thing (e.g. string clone).
Prediction is the game of science. Reading fiction is basically about having some fun or joy, different stuff. (So we don't read to predict but to be get pleasure which some times happens also when we are totally surprised). The author of fiction doesn't have to pay the price when she's is 'not consistent', (mesured with logical or scientific standards), but she has to if she doesn't create something interesting or entertaining or something that provides pleasure, (she could lose her readers).
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Prediction is the game of science. Reading fiction is basically about having some fun or joy, different stuff. (So we don't read to predict but to be get pleasure which some times happens also when we are totally surprised). The author of fiction doesn't have to pay the price when she's is 'not consistent', (mesured with logical or scientific standards), but she has to if she doesn't create something interesting or entertaining or something that provides pleasure, (she could lose her readers).
And some people have fun by noticing the little stuff and predicting the results with educated guesses. Hence why some people are not fascinated with big explosions movies with little plot or character development.
The suspension of disbelieve is needed when stuff is introduced, after that the author should uphold the rules he has already established. Smallish stuff can be ignored, while still being a small spot on the record, like Moria's power working under the sun in the war, but the big stuff ruins the work.Example, the tv show How I met your Mother. (in spoilers in case anyone is still mid way through the series)
! The show is narrated by a man, Ted, telling his kids how he met their mother. In the first episode he mets a nice girl and tells her right away he loves her. That girl turns out to be the kids "aunt" Robin (not blood aunt, friend of the family aunt).
So, rigth from the first episode they tell the audience: despite the on-and-off again relatioship Ted and Robin have they won't end up together, Ted will get over her and meet the Mother. And then at the finale, after we see Ted meeting the mother and going on with his life, having kids, marrying, etc, we are told the mother dies of cancer and Ted ends up with Robin.
Most people don't like the ending, and going back there are telling scenes that the mother will die, because they were basically lied to. It's the same thing as telling someone you don't want to fight anymore and when they lower their guard you punch them, it's a surprise but not in any way, shape or form a pleasent or decent one. -
The only reason I'm okay with OP going into space at the end is the same reason I'm okay with IMU right now…. Oda is setting up far enough in advance of the actual ending its not a pulled out his arse thing to be crazy at the end, it's part of the story he's actually planned out and he's laying the groundwork and giving us pieces now.
If we hadn't gotten Enel's cover story when we did and were only just now getting that piece of information, or five years from now, I'd be a lot iffier about it.
But as is? We have time to absorb that fact, and start putting together how it ties to lost century, and consider that it may be a factor in the world having the perfect dividing lines it has, what that might mean for the D's, and so forth. Especially when you consider how early Skypeia was in the series overall. It was the third major arc! (and also by far the longest and most out of place... at the time.) The skypeia stuff was so imortant that Oda did it early, back when he was still maybe thinking the series would be 10 or 15 years (rather than the original 5 he planned.)
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I hope the Straw Hats travel to the moon just as the little robots did which is the same way the winged people descended to the blue planet. Good ol' fashion balloon travel! Granted the winged people probably didn't just use individual party balloons(for lack of a better term) like it's depicted in the ancient drawings but one can hope!
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And some people have fun by noticing the little stuff and predicting the results with educated guesses. Hence why some people are not fascinated with big explosions movies with little plot or character development.
The suspension of disbelieve is needed when stuff is introduced, after that the author should uphold the rules he has already established. Smallish stuff can be ignored, while still being a small spot on the record, like Moria's power working under the sun in the war, but the big stuff ruins the work.I think we agree. Yes, there's room for prediction in reading fiction. And also the final point on reading fiction is to have fun, (and you can have it guessing what's next or in some other ways). To me the point is that there're no set up rule here that enables you to say: "Ey you are breaking the rule because you can breath here and you can't there" because that rule, if anything, comes from the real world physics or biology, and it doesn't apply to OP world:it was not stated previously by the series; Moria power's case is different because that was a rule taken from his specific design. As Melker says, all we can do is to deal with it…: someone can ask Oda in a SBS or maybe the series explains it in the future in a consistent way, but hopefully not to erase an apparent contradiction (because this's not science) but only because it is fun to tell something else that, only by luck, explains the point.
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Considering how important and flexible devil fruits are, you already lost this battle.
I feel that devil fruits are a good fantasy concept. I hope there will never be an attempt to explain them in scientific terms. To me, there is a difference in good fantasy and poor science, and I feel that travelling through space is poor science when concepts such as atmospheric pressure and oxygen have been introduced in the world.
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What was it about Moria's power working in the sun? He barely used Doppleman (I think just to spear Oars the III), and the zombies had no such weakness, only th original shadow owners.
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The only reason I'm okay with OP going into space at the end is the same reason I'm okay with IMU right now…. Oda is setting up far enough in advance of the actual ending its not a pulled out his arse thing to be crazy at the end, it's part of the story he's actually planned out and he's laying the groundwork and giving us pieces now.
If we hadn't gotten Enel's cover story when we did and were only just now getting that piece of information, or five years from now, I'd be a lot iffier about it.
But as is? We have time to absorb that fact, and start putting together how it ties to lost century, and consider that it may be a factor in the world having the perfect dividing lines it has, what that might mean for the D's, and so forth. Especially when you consider how early Skypeia was in the series overall. It was the third major arc! (and also by far the longest and most out of place... at the time.) The skypeia stuff was so imortant that Oda did it early, back when he was still maybe thinking the series would be 10 or 15 years (rather than the original 5 he planned.)
Going to space would really be interesting but what i'm afraid about is the culture and mentality that people in One Piece universe have. If Oda decides that space adventure is the final part, then he must start now by giving the SH's and the other important characters some fundamentals about even thinking of going to space or just a curiosity of how the world is made.
I mean if he just out of the blue sends them to space, their impressions and reactions would be really shallow and idiotic. Remember how Usopp jumped into the clouds in Skypea, it was fun and all cause it was just a island in on a cloud, but their reactions where totally random and absurd. Even here on earth people think it is flat, we didn't make it to the moon, etc despite the technology advances & proof. In One Piece they have flintguns, swords and cannonballs so giving the characters means to go to space and even land on the moon would be too much for them to take in (maybe not Luffy as he would be oblivious of the implications) and probably result in poor storytelling.
I hope i made myself a bit clear about what i'm talking about. Oda needs to project the whole space adventure idea asap so by the time that voyage is really possible, it wouldn't be mindblowing and reality shattering. That's all i'm saying. Personally i hope we won't make it to the moon in the manga and keep it real, down on earth type of universe. I have nothing against learning that people came from the moon or anything, but it would take a couple of generation before they can do it too, otherwise it is just to hasty and would case major disbelief and plotholes, just my opinion.
Anyway, SH's in space would be really really fun to watch nontheless. They might even meet the Enterprise.
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What is it with Moria and missunderstandings? The podcast people keep saying that he was captured and is being experimented on, ignoring the fact that Doffy specifically said that he vanished into air, probably through a combination of the Shadow fruit and the invisibility fruit with Absalom somewhere nearby on standby.
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I feel that devil fruits are a good fantasy concept. I hope there will never be an attempt to explain them in scientific terms. To me, there is a difference in good fantasy and poor science, and I feel that travelling through space is poor science when concepts such as atmospheric pressure and oxygen have been introduced in the world.
In fiction, fantasy and science are the same, the diference is that one you have a firm frame or reference, but as tools? Cause and effect? Impact on the lives of the characters? Same.
Necrotic field == Radiation wasteland
Fighter Jet == Dragon
Farsight == Google MapsThe authors' work is already fake, while I agree that consistency does improve the world building and the capacity to understand and predict the plot, taking all of your knowledge and make it work against the setting (f.e., if "OP's moon has an atmosphere" or not) is jumping to conclusions based on previous tangential facts. Specially the scene of thin air on the white white sea, that gets solved like the next scene by the power of will.
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We'll get an explanation on Devil Fruits when Vegapunk shows up, that's basically been promised a loooooong time now. (When Vegapunk shows up is anyone's guess though, the nature of how he's been handled so far means he can just show up literally any time at all in any arc as a surprise.)
Maybe Wano to counterbalance the old samurai culture. Maybe Raftel so we can get that infodump the same time as the true history. Maybe an island we don't know about. Surely before the final war though.
What that explanation then entails, is anyone's guess, but I'd assume it'll be more fantastic than scientific.
I hope i made myself a bit clear about what i'm talking about. Oda needs to project the whole space adventure idea asap so by the time that voyage is really possible, it wouldn't be mindblowing and reality shattering. That's all i'm saying. Personally i hope we won't make it to the moon in the manga and keep it real, down on earth type of universe. I have nothing against learning that people came from the moon or anything, but it would take a couple of generation before they can do it too, otherwise it is just to hasty and would case major disbelief and plotholes, just my opinion.
I'm not fond of the idea of them going to space myself. it seems too out there. There's a famous anime from a years back that I love (that I won't name for spoilers) that was also set in that sort of era, that (through ancient atlantis technology) had spacecraft at the end and its just really awkward and too far and messes with the series for me.
I'm accepting of it if the series ends up going there because Oda is dropping crumbs to set it up, obviously he'd have to do a lot more legit setup before we actually got to that point for me to be fully on board with it, but we've at least already established there was once space travel, ancient robots, and that there are aliens already, so that's already a ton of the groundwork laid, and that was years ago now.
But hey, we have Vegapunk. Maybe two birds with one stone there. Explain devil fruits and provide a spaceship.
(Is it possible that, after the war at Marineford, and the upcoming Wano war, Oda will have already played out all the epic battles the current setup really allows with pirates and marines and admirals and warlords, and with Elbaf likely being the big emporer throwdown…. that the final saga will actually be something pretty radically different from what we're all expecting?)
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I'm accepting of it if the series ends up going there because Oda is dropping crumbs to set it up, obviously he'd have to do a lot more legit setup before we actually got to that point for me to be fully on board with it, but we've at least already established there was once space travel, ancient robots, and that there are aliens already, so that's already a ton of the groundwork laid, and that was years ago now.
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Yeah, Oda showed us all this space hints and settings, but only we the readers know about. Bellamy doesnt even believe in sky islands and the Puffing Tom is , at least at the time beign, the most advanced way of transport for that age for the majority of people. So just kickstarting a space odyssey and going from rowing boats to spaceships would be really bad storytelling in my opinion. That is why i'm saying that a transition should happen soon so the setting is prepared for when the actual thing happens.
In Elbaf i would like a sky island battle if i can say so, but not like the one vs Enel, as now Luffy can at least fly and the battle could be carried from island to island in the clouds. That would be epic.
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This has bothered me for a while:
South birds.
How come they grew to be giantic in the space of 600 years, but not the shandians, or the skypeans that have lived there for longer?
I'd guess that is because they had free access to the forest and it's resources, plus the high altitude that made the change possible. Only with both is possible.
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In Elbaf i would like a sky island battle if i can say so, but not like the one vs Enel, as now Luffy can at least fly and the battle could be carried from island to island in the clouds. That would be epic.
Luffy already fought Dofla in the air, and considering Kaidou is almost certainly a dragon and we've seen what Momo can do, that's probably going to end up as an air battle too. Luffy balloon floating and Momo helping.
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How come they grew to be giantic in the space of 600 years, but not the shandians, or the skypeans that have lived there for longer?
That's easy, same answer as in real life. Wild animals have to fight for their survival so traits that let the young live longer get passed on quickly. Add in the fact that they reach breeding maturity faster and have kids younger, and animals can evolve fast. For instance, in florida a large breed of snail came up from south america that was five times bigger than the local snail. Local birds, snail kites grew bigger and developed bigger beaks in a decade. In only two or three bird generations. Also the Darwin finches had a case where one bird came from like 100 miles away and mated with local birds, and their offspring had such weird songs they couldn't attract local mates so they mated with each other, and there was a whole new species within a couple of years.
Meanwhile, humans using tools just don't progress or change much (though diet and healthcare can affect overall height and size over time.) So, if South birds are having a new generation every three-five years and only the adapted ones are having kids, that's nearly 200 generations of birds. And maybe as little as 15-25 generations of tool using humans who don't benefit from a bigger size… but DO develop better ability to breathe the thin air.
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I can accept that, and that Nola was like 600 y/o and her parent also was pretty big in the flashback.
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So just kickstarting a space odyssey and going from rowing boats to spaceships would be really bad storytelling in my opinion.
Woah. Hold up.
You're falling into the trap 99% of One Piece fans fall into.
You're saying it shouldn't happen because of what you know right now. You're not asking yourself how it could be possible.
Look, I'm not a big fan of the idea of Strawhats in space. But space and space travel exists.
As far as we know, those 'aliens' exist somewhere on the planet.
If there's one thing I could selfishly ask readers to take away from this thread, it's to stop making up reasons for why XYZ can't happen because of what we know, and question yourself as to how it could be possible.
I mean…we're not talking about something that needs to be terribly technical folks.
Spacey go to the moon on a....balloon.
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Woah. Hold up.
You're falling into the trap 99% of One Piece fans fall into.
You're saying it shouldn't happen because of what you know right now. You're not asking yourself how it could be possible.
Look, I'm not a big fan of the idea of Strawhats in space. But space and space travel exists.
As far as we know, those 'aliens' exist somewhere on the planet.
If there's one thing I could selfishly ask readers to take away from this thread, it's to stop making up reasons for why XYZ can't happen because of what we know, and question yourself as to how it could be possible.
I mean…we're not talking about something that needs to be terribly technical folks.
Spacey go to the moon on a....balloon.
Well, i also said that if it is bound to happen, Oda should start to reveal hints about it to the characters. We all love the mange because of the banal setting, the crew and their boat, the goals of each member, this "common" things that gives the series a reality feel which somehow transpires from each chapter. At least for me.
I'm not saying it should'nt happen because the technology doesn't exist, i'm saying that the people don't know it exists and the technology jump would create some bad reactions for the characters. For ex: If the SH's discover a spaceship or a means to get to space and they go on that voyage, probably Oda won't waste time to make them question their universe, what is earth, what is the moon, what is space, who does the ship work, etc.
Anyway, what ever happens happens and Oda will write it in the best possible manner for the story to not lose consistency and heart.
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I'm a bit perplexed with what space even is in One Piece. Doesn't seem like it works the same as in real life. That is technically fine, but I just want to know the rules… not necessarily now, but if (or rather when) more space stuff get into the story, I want it to make sense in the One Piece universe and not contradict something else. Something like Ace's birth contradicts any common sense and could not have been predicted in the way it was revealed. Now, however, when it has been established things can work like that in One Piece it's simply just a fact, I guess... But yeah, air supply has so far shown to be a thing as well.
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I'm a bit perplexed with what space even is in One Piece. Doesn't seem like it works the same as in real life.
What exactly does?
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@Big:
What exactly does?
Food = HP
Earth = RoundMost of the basic stuff
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Beer and Pizza are life
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Has anyone tried to use Cola as fuel in real life?
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Has anyone tried to use Cola as fuel in real life?
Yes and it only fuled my ass with gas