Yeah, since he started his NW adventure at the same time as 'Novas.
Yeah that makes sense but is there an actual dialogue where BB is refferred to as a part of this generation ? I think there is one but I can't remember when.
Yeah, since he started his NW adventure at the same time as 'Novas.
Yeah that makes sense but is there an actual dialogue where BB is refferred to as a part of this generation ? I think there is one but I can't remember when.
Yeah that makes sense but is there an actual dialogue where BB is refferred to as a part of this generation ? I think there is one but I can't remember when.
yes Jinbei at he end of fismen island arc!
Guys, stop saying Sanji's cake did nothing. It's one thing to give a controversial opinion and it's another to get your facts wrong.
If he had not helped make the cake, Big Mom would still be chasing after the Straw Hats. Everyone on the Sunny was on the verge of being fried to death right when the cake showed up. Chiffon did put in the effort to distance the cake from Cacao Island but Big Mom would have had nothing distracting her at all if Sanji hadn't been involved. Is it ideal that Big Mom is revitalized and back on the hunt again? No, but the only way to prevent that would have been poisoning the cake, which Sanji would never do. Plus Big Mom's race to Cacao Island is still going to amount to nothing in terms of finding any Straw Hats to harvest souls from.
Maybe that can pass as two different situations. Prior to the wedding Sanji didn't want to leave his shitty relatives trapped at the mercy of Big Mom like lambs to the slaughter. This time however they're free of their movement and knowingly put themselves at risk, so maybe his compassionmeter won't react and he's ok with leaving them to whatever fate they chose.
But yeah, the irony isn't lost on me and it'll be one more thing in Tottoland that doesn't quite make sense. They keep piling, though Sanji himself doesn't make much sense anymore so I'll just look the other way and see what the interesting Straw Hats are up to–- Update From New Post Merge ---
I guess we should really read it as "I'm your captain now and I'm ordering to make it back alive, dying isn't an option here". Probably is one of those expressions that don't translate well into english.
It's a common "cheesy action movie from the 80's" phrase and we know oda has a lot of love for America movies in that time
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@.access:
I just realized the SH are in this whole mess because, even though they could have run away before the wedding after they all reunited, they wanted to save the Vinsmoke.
And now the SH are going away from TL leaving the Vinsmoke family behind as they have to fight the entirety of BMP by themselves.
Heh…
I think I pointed this out the chapter they showed up and people were wondering if they would die
@Kaido:
Guys, stop saying Sanji's cake did nothing. It's one thing to give a controversial opinion and it's another to get your facts wrong.
If he had not helped make the cake, Big Mom would still be chasing after the Straw Hats. Everyone on the Sunny was on the verge of being fried to death right when the cake showed up. Chiffon did put in the effort to distance the cake from Cacao Island but Big Mom would have had nothing distracting her at all if Sanji hadn't been involved. Is it ideal that Big Mom is revitalized and back on the hunt again? No, but the only way to prevent that would have been poisoning the cake, which Sanji would never do.
Again, if the only purpose it served was to be a lure, then Sanji wasn't needed for that. His contribution was the taste and the knock out cream, if all they needed was a cake that "looked" good then Pudding, Chiffon, and the 31 chefs would be enough. It would have served the same purpose to get Big Mom away from the Sunny regardless of how it actually tasted. Sanjis part comes once she actually ate the cake, and So far that has accomplished nothing but make Big Mom a threat again. The only chance this was worth the effort and 30 chapters spent on this is for the effect of the cream to kick in as a delayed effect.
yes Jinbei at he end of fismen island arc!
Thanks.
One question remains though :
Is it wrong to look up a giant's skirt ?
@.access:
I just realized the SH are in this whole mess because, even though they could have run away before the wedding after they all reunited, they wanted to save the Vinsmoke.
And now the SH are going away from TL leaving the Vinsmoke family behind as they have to fight the entirety of BMP by themselves.
Heh…
That is ironic, although at least this time the Vinsmokes are actively putting themselves in harm's way.
Again, if the only purpose it served was to be a lure, then Sanji wasn't needed for that. His contribution was the taste and the knock out cream, if all they needed was a cake that "looked" good then Pudding, Chiffon, and the 31 chefs would be enough. It would have served the same purpose to get Big Mom away from the Sunny regardless of how it actually tasted. Sanjis part comes once she actually ate the cake, and So far that has accomplished nothing but make Big Mom a threat again. The only chance this was worth the effort and 30 chapters spent on this is for the effect of the cream to kick in as a delayed effect.
If it had a bad taste, then the time that Big Mom did spend euphoric on Puffs Island would have been nonexistent and she would have resumed her pursuit. Sanji was singled out for pretty much being the only one able to capture the essence of Streusen's cake which Big Mom wanted; it's been established since the beginning that creating a cake that would successfully soothe Big Mom's cravings is a really complicated task.
Thanks.
One question remains though :
Is it wrong to look up a giant's skirt ?
You mean Gerth? That barely can be called a skirt.
Even if you become pirate king don't become one.
I thought this chapter was "fine" when I first read it, but after going through all of these posts I'm not so sure.
I didn't even notice Moscato at first. That's kind of dumb, but also kind of expected. Ever since he lost his lifespan, everyone was making theories that he would come back. One chapter latter we had Mont D'or telling one of Big Mom's black-soul-ghost-things to "Not leave a single second behind." It's easy enough to believe that he was fixed up off-screen, but it's still weird having him show up so suddenly.
I don't like Jinbei leaving, since him joining was such a big plotline in this arc, but that's assuming Jinbei actually is left behind. I'm still feel like the his fight with the Fleet might get cut short.
About the cake, I don't think we're done with that yet. Big Mom is rushing over to them right now. By the end of this arc I expect the Strawhats to confront her, and this will be the truly, genuinely, final conflict in this arc. Once that happens, she'll probably find out about how Sanji baked the cake.
I cant wait to see what puts out in his next paper
@Kaido:
Guys, stop saying Sanji's cake did nothing. It's one thing to give a controversial opinion and it's another to get your facts wrong.
If he had not helped make the cake, Big Mom would still be chasing after the Straw Hats. Everyone on the Sunny was on the verge of being fried to death right when the cake showed up. Chiffon did put in the effort to distance the cake from Cacao Island but Big Mom would have had nothing distracting her at all if Sanji hadn't been involved. Is it ideal that Big Mom is revitalized and back on the hunt again? No, but the only way to prevent that would have been poisoning the cake, which Sanji would never do.
People keep saying Sanji's cake, but it is not his cake. The cake was baked by Pudding, Chiffon and the WCI31. Even without Sanji, the cake would have been made and be ready in time and, as long as it didn't taste bad, would have calmed Linlin down.
Sanji makes it very clear that he didn't take part of the baking itself and would focus on adding his "secret ingredient" after it was done.
He left the cake to the others while he readied the whipped cream that would be added after the cake was ready and carry his secret ingredient.
Sanji's contribution was elevate the taste of the cake from great to heavenly. The reaction we saw BM having last chapter, hallucinating from the sheer perfection of the cake taste, that was Sanji. Not the cake, but the out-of-this-world taste. It was that absurd taste that he was betting on, the taste that would make this cake, as he state twice, "knock BM unconscious". And THAT didn't amount to anything.
BM was not left unconscious by the heavenly taste of the cake as continuously predicted by Sanji and the other characters, she didn't lost control of her soul keeping abilities thanks to it, she didn't decided to give a free pass to the SH because the cake was just too good, or anything else a more creative mind like Oda's could think of and maybe force his family to acknowledge his cooking skills and mindset are a quality instead of a defect. We can't even credit the whole cake idea to him, since it was Pudding who actually thought of making a new cake, decided to bet against time and had a spare of the special ingredients - and decided to add Sanji to the plan.
Sanji's contribution to this whole thing had no effect whatsoever except making BM enjoy the cake more than she would have and that's bullshit.
At the end of the day, the Tottoland citizens are not wrong in their conclusion. This outcome is much more something accomplished by Pudding (+Chiffon) than by Sanji.
@Kaido:
That is ironic, although at least this time the Vinsmokes are actively putting themselves in harm's way.
If it had a bad taste, then the time that Big Mom did spend euphoric on Puffs Island would have been nonexistent and she would have resumed her pursuit. Sanji was singled out for pretty much being the only one able to capture the essence of Streusen's cake which Big Mom wanted; it's been established since the beginning that creating a cake that would successfully soothe Big Mom's cravings is a really complicated task.
No, if the cake tasted bad, like Peros said she would be rampaging against her own territory and crew. Or she wouldn't finish the cake meaning she would be weakened. Both situations are better than the current. Her little dream moment only occurred as she was eating the cake, so it had no effect once she finished. No reason to think she would take longer to finish this good tasting cake over an average.
@.access:
People keep saying Sanji's cake, but it is not his cake. The cake was baked by Pudding, Chiffon and the WCI31. Even without Sanji, the cake would have been made and be ready in time and, as long as it didn't taste bad, would have calmed Linlin down.
Sanji makes it very clear that he didn't take part of the baking itself and would focus on adding his "secret ingredient" after it was done. He left the cake to the others while he readied the whipped cream that would be added after the cake was ready and carry his secret ingredient.Sanji's contribution was elevate the taste of the cake from merely good to heavenly. The reaction we saw BM having last chapter, hallucinating from the sheer perfection of the cake taste, that was Sanji. Not the cake, but the out-of-this-world taste. It was that absurd taste that he was betting on, the taste that would make this cake, as he state twice, "knock BM unconscious". And THAT didn't amount to anything.
BM was not left unconscious by the heavenly taste of the cake as continuously predicted by Sanji and the other characters, she didn't lost control of her soul keeping abilities thanks to it, she didn't decided to give a free pass to the SH because the cake was just too good, or anything else a more creative mind could think of and maybe force his family to acknowledge his cooking skills and mindset are a quality instead of a defect. We can't even credit the whole cake idea to him, since it was Pudding who actually thought of it and - decided to add Sanji to the plan.
Sanji's contribution to this whole thing had no effect whatsoever except making BM enjoy the cake more than she would have and that's bullshit.
The cake had to be as good as streusen's and besides that Sanji detected the entire ingredient list by scent alone and at various times stopped the production from being disrupted; like when Oven Grabbed Chiffon. Without him it's very likely they don't capture the essence of the cake and big mom runs after them a lot earlier.
Without him the cake wouldn't have satiate her. If the taste didn't need to be >= streusens cake they could have just made any wedding cake
@Long:
The cake had to be as good as streusen's and besides that Sanji detected the entire ingredient list by scent alone and at various times stopped the production from being disrupted; like when Oven Grabbed Chiffon. Without him it's very likely they don't capture the essence of the cake and big mom runs after them a lot earlier.
Without him the cake wouldn't have satiate her. If the taste didn't need to be >= streusens cake they could have just made any wedding cake
The taste only benefits Big Mom, Her Territory, and Her Crew. The taste did not distract her from the strawhats, she did not taste it back then. The taste has so far only powered her up to continue her chase and now she wants Luffys soul.
@Long:
The cake had to be as good as streusen's and besides that Sanji detected the entire ingredient list by scent alone and at various times stopped the production from being disrupted; like when Oven Grabbed Chiffon. Without him it's very likely they don't capture the essence of the cake and big mom runs after them a lot earlier.
Without him the cake wouldn't have satiate her. If the taste didn't need to be >= streusens cake they could have just made any wedding cake
Yea, I don't know why people are forgetting that Sanji sped up the process immensely.
Oh look, a giant Nami with braids.
Don't mind a switch. Need to add in a cheap(er) cliffhanger here and there. Stuff was omitted from us in order to make it believable. One BMP's remark about a suspicious movements earlier doesn't make it ok. I do mind that the flag was lost and it wasn't addressed in any way. Losing the flag is a pretty big deal. Or so we've been told in Davy Back Fight arc.
Fucking hate that Jinbe gets to separate again. First it was "meetcha at FI", then it was "meetcha after I ditch BM" and now it's "meetcha at Wano". Stop teasing Jinbe!!!
There has to be a reason why Oda keeps complicating the plot, but I can't see it at the moment. Perhaps team Luffy is set to meet an obstacle that would be easier to overcome with Jinbe on board or something.Would have prefered more involvement from SH in the escape, not gonna lie. Especially from certain someone who's had a year "dedicated to him". Making a cake is cool and all, but cake making won't make Sanji most feared by Marines. Would have also liked if there was a more immediate payoff of that cake making for Sanji. BM just ate it and it's back to business right away. No fainting, no personality change, no desire to find the person who made that perfect cake. Nope, all about Luffy's soul and new homies.
I remember seeing that and thinking… why not?
Good call.
They lost a flag. They still have the one in front.
Damn, two great send offs for Jinbe(transfusion and last week) and he still doesn't come with them, at least for those that don't think he was a SH, Luffy says himself that he is his captain now, I liked the chapter even though I wanted Jinbe to come with them which annoys me since we had two arcs of him "joining" already.
@Long:
Without him the cake wouldn't have satiate her. If the taste didn't need to be >= streusens cake they could have just made any wedding cake
Yeah, but we all expected satiating her to have some effect on the plot or boon to the protagonists. And it didn't.
And Big Mom's a dumbass if she truly thinks Luffy's soul is going anywhere outside of his body. That mofo didn't fear death when it was about to chop his stupid head off, he ain't fearing it now. That wannabe-Moriah level dialogue just makes me think Oda has no idea what else to do with her this arc. Yet he insisted that she remain a part of it instead of taking the way out he himself hinted out over and over again.
Also: Yeah. Sanji straight up failed in his stated mission
It did not do that. At all. Sanji continues to be written so that he constantly fails and I don't understand why >X-O
@Long:
The cake had to be as good as streusen's and besides that Sanji detected the entire ingredient list by scent alone and at various times stopped the production from being disrupted; like when Oven Grabbed Chiffon. Without him it's very likely they don't capture the essence of the cake and big mom runs after them a lot earlier.
Without him the cake wouldn't have satiate her. If the taste didn't need to be >= streusens cake they could have just made any wedding cake
You are throwing things into this subject that have nothing to do with it.
Obviously without Sanji things in general would not have worked out. And that's not just him, that goes for everyone since the SH managing to get to this point would be impossible without every single ally playing their part at some point (except for Chopper). He kept the cake safe from Oven and he also rescued Luffy from Cacao Island. But we are not talking about his role in the arc in general, we are talking about his participation in the cake… or, to put in simpler words: as a cook.
He figuring out the ingredients by smell was amazing and showed he was a cook like no one, but it wasn't necessary for the cake to be made since the WCI31 already knew the ingredients as they were the ones who made the first cake under Streussen's supervision (Sanji even ask them to check if his diagram was right and they recognize it was). A replica of Streussen's cake could be made without him (and was made without him)… again, his contribution was the whipped cream to turn the already great cake into a godly work. Also, to be fair, the cake didn't need to taste as good as Streussen, it's not like Linlin knew what the first cake tasted like.
But there's still time, I suppose, it's not like the manga is over. As long as BM is around and can be seen as an enemy, even if not in this arc, Sanji's "heavenly taste" on the cake can still play a part.
well the bird confirmed: word comes out of absurd bird that worst comes first through thirst and turd, wormed, bird confirmed, through eventual curse, from what I heard
I’m late to the party, so maybe this has been talked about already, but here it goes:
BM said she wanted Luffy’s soul in order to make powerful homies. Can she do that? When Jinbe was asked to stay or die, neither worked since he wasn’t afraid of her. Is that always true or can she force a soul out from someone as selfish as Luffy?
I’m late to the party, so maybe this has been talked about already, but here it goes:
BM said she wanted Luffy’s soul in order to make powerful homies. Can she do that? When Jinbe was asked to stay or die, neither worked since he wasn’t afraid of her. Is that always true or can she force a soul out from someone as selfish as Luffy?
I suppose so if she thinks she can sufficiently scare him. She’s probably overestimating her capacity to do so.
I’m late to the party, so maybe this has been talked about already, but here it goes:
BM said she wanted Luffy’s soul in order to make powerful homies. Can she do that? When Jinbe was asked to stay or die, neither worked since he wasn’t afraid of her. Is that always true or can she force a soul out from someone as selfish as Luffy?
We saw what seemed to be BM sapping Luffy's energy before, so I assume it would work. Like you said, Luffy is a selfish person, Jinbe is the opposite. Jinbe is selfless, he is not afraid to die because he is always devoting his life to someone else and would happily give his life away for the sake of those people.
But Luffy is not like that, he may not fear death itself but he has a dream that can only be fulfilled as long as he is alive. OP hopefully is not the kind of manga where everyone is able to throw their lives away and act stoically, so I like to think those who are more passionate about their own dreams are afraid to die before fulfilling them (even if they are able to die with a smile when the time comes).
@Sibersk:
They lost a flag. They still have the one in front.
Forgot there were 2 flags.
Oh well, then no biggie.
The cliffhanger would have been even less convincing if I'd remembered that 2 weeks ago.
Not bad, again I can respect that Oda didn't go with the halluction theory, though geeze that switch was pretty split-second that even with the nonsense this series pulls, even I'm having a hard time beliving it. But eh it works and they're alive that's all that matters.
Sucks that Jinbe joining again had to be put off, but I do like the exchange between Luffy and him, it all but acknowledges that he pretty much IS in the crew. So yeah least that something to look forward to. Betcha he's going pull another rescue in Wano, I just know it.
That said, I want this chase to be over with already. Everything has been accomplished, why is it still going. Are we sincerly going to confront Big Mom near the finish line one last time. Has Sanji put in a secert ingredient that'll knock her out completely? Or are they just going to plow on through, I mean..they're kinda running out of deus ex machnias here.
Ack just remember they still have Zeus don't they? That's gonna be a factor in the final showdown I take it.
@.access:
We saw what seemed to be BM sapping Luffy's energy before, so I assume it would work. Like you said, Luffy is a selfish person, Jinbe is the opposite. Jinbe is selfless, he is not afraid to die because he is always devoting his life to someone else and would happily give his life away for the sake of those people.
But Luffy is not like that, he may not fear death itself but he has a dream that can only be fulfilled as long as he is alive. OP hopefully is not the kind of manga where everyone is able to throw their lives away and act stoically, so I like to think those who are more passionate about their own dreams are afraid to die before fulfilling them (even if they are able to die with a smile when the time comes).
Hey now, let's not underestimate our boy Luffy. He's said and showed outright several times throughout the manga that he does not care a lick about dying, because he would be dying in pursuit of his dream. Either he's going to accomplish it, or die trying. Either way is alright with him. So yeah, he's not going to be showing fear in the face of death anytime soon.
It's like one of those "If you aren't pursuing your dreams, you might as well be dead anyway" type deals.
So we spent several months on a cake that didnt end up knocking her out for long? I know Oda will probably do something further w/ the cake plot like big mom owes the SHs or Sanji something or something similar…..but urgh.
edit: also Oda will NEVER let Sunny get damage to the extend of lighting it on fire. Nami's orange trees would be destroyed.
Ever since he lost his lifespan
to be fair, big mom could've given his lifespan back too
Nah it will come down to smthg like big mom facing them and than some effect of the cake kicks in makin her uncoucious or smthg… that cant be all for sanji and the cake lol...or at least i hope so
Did people forgot that big mom can't give souls to human bodies?
Did people forgot that big mom can't give souls to human bodies?
It was never clarified if you could return lifespan/souls to the body it actually originally belonged to. IMO, that was always an exception that makes perfect sense for obvious reasons.
I knew it!!!! On the last thread I was saying that Wadatsumi had probably saved them and no one believe me and most even ignored me. So now I FINALLY HAD MY REVENGE MUAHAHAHAHA
@.access:
And the cake… it seems Sanji big moment really will have absolute no consequence except saving BM? Oh well, I guess I will just move on, the guy has enough fans to be pissed for me. For now, I hope in the next chapter he asks about Pedro.
Do you actually believe BM wouldn't have a chance to reach the SHs atop Prometheus before they could reach Cacao Island?
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Also: Yeah. Sanji straight up failed in his stated mission
http://i66.tinypic.com/f3uis4.png
It did not do that. At all. Sanji continues to be written so that he constantly fails and I don't understand why >X-O
Saying Faint does not mean putting intoa diabetic coma.
Its legit asinine that people think the cake was for nothing or didn't help the situation.
Do you actually believe BM wouldn't have a chance to reach the SHs atop Prometheus before they could reach Cacao Island?
I suggest you keep reading the thread
@.access:
OMG! She actually is Nami! The Nami cloning technique reached a whole new level.
I know! When I first saw Gerth, I saw her visuals as another "Nami Clone" along same lines we've seen. But then I remembered that early concept art that had Nami with a giant axe and one leg in stockings, then she REALLY looked like Nami XD
So Usopp eventally became the gardener guy in a different early concept art, the guy was a bandana at end was said to be a gardener, for a while it was thought that he was tosses out and Robin came in but then after timeskip Usopp has the pop greens and seems to be the gardener guy
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/e/ef/Early_Crew.png/revision/latest?cb=20150404102407
Now we got to see a nami-clone that uses a giant axe, I want to see the crew meet a midget (using that as dwarf is a different race in OP) shipwright that looks like a baby and can float. XD
Its legit asinine that people think the cake was for nothing or didn't help the situation.
For the time being, it really doesn't seem like it, and people are frustrated.
It's interesting how nothing the Straw Hats have done in the latter part of this arc seems to have lasting success. I mean, Sanji gets bemoaned for his failures all the time, but almost everything that people have done so far has been met with a vengeance by the BMPs and only with these massive sacrifices do the Straw Hats have a clear shot at getting out. And I mean, the Big Mom Pirates are Yonko and this amount of struggle and sacrifice is appropriate. But while I still think the cake would have been much more likely (if not doomed) to fail without Sanji, I will admit there is some shock in the big solution not even fully succeeding at dealing a huge blow to the BMPs, and I can see why people might not like it. But I'll be surprised if the cake ends up being completely forgotten in the future.
Last page won't load for me, tragic.
It was never clarified if you could return lifespan/souls to the body it actually originally belonged to. IMO, that was always an exception that makes perfect sense for obvious reasons.
Clarification is an explanation to something that isn't clear. There is nothing unclear about big mom not being able to manipulate souls on humans.
At most it would be and additional rule, an exception, to the already stated. The problem is no such exception was ever made nor implied in the story, and this chapter you just see moscato and then nothing else abou this huge plothole is said or treated.
Did people forgot that big mom can't give souls to human bodies?
I don't think she can reanimate dead bodies. Maybe the loop hole is the part of soul can go back to the original body? It's either he's still alive but old or was given back lifespan so he survived.
Also where the f*ck is Sanji! I can excuse every except the amount of shaft he got from this arc.
Why is big mom pirates using a marineford force, something way bigger than a buster call, just to kill 10 pirates and destroy 1 ship? Since when n is this the way to deal with such a threat, think about how the police treat a group of robbers running by car. This perfectly fits the saying "using a cannon to kill a fly".
Why is big mom pirates using a marineford force, something way bigger than a buster call, just to kill 10 pirates and destroy 1 ship? Since when n is this the way to deal with such a threat, think about how the police treat a group of robbers running by car. This perfectly fits the saying "using a cannon to kill a fly".
Well, they aren't the police. :P And frankly with how often the Straw Hats make miraculous escapes, they are probably the most sensible antagonists.
@S.C.:
Well, they aren't the police. :P And frankly with how often the Straw Hats make miraculous escapes, they are probably the most sensible antagonists.
Sensible? You know that using a cannon with to kill a fly is the most insensible thing someone makes and it normally fails, and not only that, but it also wastes huges amounts of resources. If some third party were to attack Tottland it would be able to get territory easily, if not destroy the empire. Everything because of the negligwnce of dealing with a boat and 10 people.
Clarification is an explanation to something that isn't clear. There is nothing unclear about big mom not being able to manipulate souls on humans.
At most it would be and additional rule, an exception, to the already stated. The problem is no such exception was ever made nor implied in the story, and this chapter you just see moscato and then nothing else abou this huge plothole is said or treated.
I wouldn't say it wasn't implied. Mont D'Or made sure to collect his lifespan as they removed Moscato's body from the premises, the vague, oddness of it all is what had people theorize he could come back to begin with.
Anyways, it's not like it's this big jump in logic. Why would it not make sense for lifespan to reenter the body that it actually belongs to lol
I know the big controversy in this chapter is the way the Strawhats managed to escape the Chanter's attack, but I'm honestly not that upset about it, it was a pretty creative and unpredictable way to resolve things, which is clearly seen by the lack of accurate predictions. That being said, I feel like there should have been some consequence to it instead of simply resolving it without any story impact. Hell, even the flag was back by the end of the chapter (A mistake by Oda, I'd imagine).
The worst part about the chapter was the ending. That was super lame. I mean come on Oda, no one reads One Piece to figure out if Luffy becomes Pirate King, we read it to find out how he becomes Pirate King.
Another interesting thing to note is that Sanji was noticeably absent in the entire chapter. I wonder what he could be up to?
Yeah, Moscato being alive was very likely not just because this is OP but because of that Mont d'Or' scene. We only thought that he was going to be brought back in the aftermath of the arc, but as it turns out it had already happened offscreen.
Opera being currently alive and well is what would be weird, since we know there wasn't any chance for BM to revive him yet (or not, maybe Perospero included it in his report this chapter and she already had it fixed?).
Regarding the solution to the cliffhanger, I've seen the criticism pop up a few times that the Fishmen shouldn't have been able to come back because of Oven heating the water, or more specifically that Oven is a moron who stopped heating the water at a critical moment because blah blah blah plot armour. But upon reflection Oda's given us all the info we need to patch over that plot hole.
Y'all remember when Oven attacked the Nostra Castello? Superheating the ocean was really bad for the ship's paddles and was close to destroying them completely? Remember a few weeks back when the Sunny was cornered by the fleet of Tarte ships that circled round Cacao Island, and it was said they'd moved faster than expected because they were paddle ships? That's how it all comes together. Oven can't keep the ocean heated for very long or he risks disabling or destroying a lot of his own ships. And that's how the Fishmen get their opening to return.
This is the first time I've been genuinely annoyed by a One Piece chapter. Not with how the Strawhats escaped or the cake not completely saving the day, but with Jinbe yet again finding a reason to not officially join. Obviously he is a member of the crew in all but name, but seriously Oda wtf