Something is bothering me. If Snack was part of the roster all along and wasn't banished or anything….why in the hell did they entrust the extermination of the Vinsmokes to Nusstorte instead of him? That makes no sense!
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Luffy is replying to Katakuri and after that we saw again Katakuri saying something like this "an answer would be pointless because you already know what I'm going to say". Not this exact words, but with that meaning. Therefore, Oda already showed us more than once, that Luffy can use future sight.
I'm speechless D: but oh well, Luis, i think you are a humble user and a man of culture, unlike the ones that i was talking before.
So… if you say that Luffy has seen more than once, and if we use the very strict meaning of present time, any CoO user showed performing CoO, by this new way to call it, not sensing shit, just seeing, including Coby, Aiza, Usopp, Half the Marines, Yonko and Roger's crews, Luffy since Marineford, Otohime, Enel and minions, Nami since year 5, Zoro, Sanji, even Smoker and Tashigi... all of them look into the future, just because they do things knowing that they will do it right.
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With quite a few members trying to piece together Big Mom's family tree, I thought it might be fun to have some sort of visual aid.
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I didn't include any ages that haven't been confirmed, and the order for many of the children is also unconfirmed, but we know how many sons and daughters Big Mom has in total so I just set them all out first.
I'll fill in the spaces and rearrange accordingly as we learn more about the family, but I hope this will help with visualisation for the moment.Nusstorte, Myukuru, and the younger kids aren't included yet because I don't know where to put them.
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Didn't Luffy tell Katakuri that Flampe and her squad would not be able to handle the conqueror's blast, before it happened?
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@Shobu:
I'm speechless D: but oh well, Luis, i think you are a humble user and a man of culture, unlike the ones that i was talking before.
So… if you say that Luffy has seen more than once, and if we use the very strict meaning of present time, any CoO user showed performing CoO, by this new way to call it, not sensing shit, just seeing, including Coby, Aiza, Usopp, Half the Marines, Yonko and Roger's crews, Luffy since Marineford, Otohime, Enel and minions, Nami since year 5, Zoro, Sanji, even Smoker and Tashigi... all of them look into the future, just because they do things knowing that they will do it right.
Don't remember if any examples you used have ever finished the sentence of his opponent, which is one way Oda have been using to distinguish normal CoO from future sight. I think not, because IIRC Oda started doing this with Katakuri, to show us that he could, not only know what his opponent's next move would be in a fight, but also seeing the situation as a whole and knowing what they would say.
It was established by Katakuri that Luffy was reaching his level of CoO during the fight, and before using Snakeman, we saw them both finishing each other's speeches and knowing what the other was going to say next.
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@Bond:
With quite a few members trying to piece together Big Mom's family tree, I thought it might be fun to have some sort of visual aid.
! https://preview.ibb.co/dxn18S/Charlotte_Family.jpg
I didn't include any ages that haven't been confirmed, and the order for many of the children is also unconfirmed, but we know how many sons and daughters Big Mom has in total so I just set them all out first.
I'll fill in the spaces and rearrange accordingly as we learn more about the family, but I hope this will help with visualisation for the moment.Nusstorte, Myukuru, and the younger kids aren't included yet because I don't know where to put them.
Your art style is very cute.
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@Bond:
With quite a few members trying to piece together Big Mom's family tree, I thought it might be fun to have some sort of visual aid.
! https://preview.ibb.co/dxn18S/Charlotte_Family.jpg
I didn't include any ages that haven't been confirmed, and the order for many of the children is also unconfirmed, but we know how many sons and daughters Big Mom has in total so I just set them all out first.
I'll fill in the spaces and rearrange accordingly as we learn more about the family, but I hope this will help with visualisation for the moment.Nusstorte, Myukuru, and the younger kids aren't included yet because I don't know where to put them.
This is very very nice! Thanks for your work! Love the cute/comic style!
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Don't remember if any examples you used have ever finished the sentence of his opponent, which is one way Oda have been using to distinguish normal CoO from future sight. I think not, because IIRC Oda started doing this with Katakuri, to show us that he could, not only know what his opponent's next move would be in a fight, but also seeing the situation as a whole and knowing what they would say.
It was established by Katakuri that Luffy was reaching his level of CoO during the fight, and before using Snakeman, we saw them both finishing each other's speeches and knowing what the other was going to say next.
I really hope to see an example for an opponent of Luffy, being shocked to see him saying things he thought in saying.
Because, as i told in my very first reply, to me this is not a FS demostration and that is a good thing to me. I can bring examples to back-up everything what i've said, but there is something stopping me to do so, but for sure i keep thinking it, have not seen Luffy doing it.
Interesting point to mention, btw. Oda honestly used FS to make even more complex the first introduced special Paramecia ever, maybe and mostly for hype reasons… to make holes on himself xD After all, to me Katakuri's real improvement on melee plot is Awakening, still not being introduced as a whole, quite edgy and fail at times, but it serve to hype nonetheless.
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@Shobu:
You mean… this:
https://i.imgur.com/OUgejSe.pngIf it is that, i see Luffy talking alone. Unless he really replies Katakuri, admitting that he's so weak that he has already showed everything he's got.
When I first read those panels I thought it was Luffy answering Katakuri. But after re-reading I can't help but feel that there was, at the very least, a strong possibility that Luffy was thinking out loud like an 'Oh yeah! That could work!' moment and that Katakuri was reacting to what is to come.
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I've been waching this arc lately and realizing that it's probably my favorite in all of One Piece, with only Saboady, Jaya, and Arlong being close. So rich with environmental detail, cool characters, interesting ideas and a plot that I've enjoyed, especially on this second go-around. The anime gets a bad wrap, but this is as good as I've seen them adapt anything for years as well. If there has to be filler, I will always prefer the Big-Mom-singing-with-homies sort. Still don't know the conclusion, but the wedding and Katakuri fight can only make it better in regards to what we're watching as a whole. It is very easy to get caught in the negative week-to-week as comes to any manga, but I'm sure that some of the qualms people have with the arc will be answered (Sanji fighting) in one way or another.
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Maybe we will meet some Charlotte family members in a future arc, if Oda won't be able to introduce them all during the current one. Love their designs.
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If this arc bleeds over to Elbaf as it is increasingly looking like, then I think it could work. However, I think important ones have already been completely introduced to us. And it should be so, because if Oda is to restart the plot later, we must have an emotional anchor already setup. We can't spend half of Elbaf meeting and growing to like/dislike a new Charlotte. I think Pudding has a big chance to be that anchor, alongside Mama and her past with the giants and Streussen. But as a trivia thing, just for seeing different designs, I am in favour. It is better than seeing Snack all of a sudden for 3 panels like this.
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If this arc bleeds over to Elbaf as it is increasingly looking like, then I think it could work. However, I think important ones have already been completely introduced to us. And it should be so, because if Oda is to restart the plot later, we must have an emotional anchor already setup. We can't spend half of Elbaf meeting and growing to like/dislike a new Charlotte. I think Pudding has a big chance to be that anchor, alongside Mama and her past with the giants and Streussen. But as a trivia thing, just for seeing different designs, I am in favour. It is better than seeing Snack all of a sudden for 3 panels like this.
If I remember correctly, only Katakuri and Cracker (and Snack) have been beaten by traditional fights. Everyone else was either caught by surprise, avoided or simply not defeated at all.
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If I remember correctly, only Katakuri and Cracker (and Snack) have been beaten by traditional fights. Everyone else was either caught by surprise, avoided or simply not defeated at all.
Yeah, so? We were talking about seeing the Charlottes, meeting them. Not beating them.
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If this arc bleeds over to Elbaf as it is increasingly looking like, then I think it could work. However, I think important ones have already been completely introduced to us. And it should be so, because if Oda is to restart the plot later, we must have an emotional anchor already setup. We can't spend half of Elbaf meeting and growing to like/dislike a new Charlotte. I think Pudding has a big chance to be that anchor, alongside Mama and her past with the giants and Streussen. But as a trivia thing, just for seeing different designs, I am in favour. It is better than seeing Snack all of a sudden for 3 panels like this.
Don't forget the fact that if Elbaf comes after Wano (which it likely will), we will have I bet 4 years or something like that (about 150 chapters) until Wano ends. So don't underestimate the time it will take until we come to Elbaf and thus back at the themes of this arc. It will take long.
I think getting a cover story about the Big Mom Pirates seems likely.
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@Big:
Don't forget the fact that if Elbaf comes after Wano (which it likely will), we will have I bet 4 years or something like that (about 150 chapters) until Wano ends. So don't underestimate the time it will take until we come to Elbaf and thus back at the themes of this arc. It will take long.
I think getting a cover story about the Big Mom Pirates seems likely.
Exactly, which is why introducing further Charlottes and delving into more of their family backstory sounds even more unreasonable. The pieces must be well set up now so that Oda can "pick up where he left from" when we get to Elbaf. A cover story does seem like a nice way to keep some momentum going while we are in Wano, just like all the build up done for the reverie over the last few years. It's a good way to keep this story relevant and bridge the gap between arcs. Cover stories are one of the things that really pleased me when I switched from the anime, it's such a good way to use up this space that is usually taken up by meaningless art, it amazed me.
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We better get the Donquixote Pirates cover story in Wano Country first before Oda even CONSIDERS moving onto other concepts. We really need to get the Monet and Vergo debate over with.
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Does anyone else think Luffy vs Katakuri was weirdly written?
I mean, at first the whole fight was all about Luffy improving his CoO and finding out how to bypass Katakuri's godly haki(by making him lose his cool)
And then it simply ends on Luffy randomly coming up with a power up that makes him fast enough to land hits on katakuri, which makes the whole 20 chapters of build up kinda irrelevant, because neither Luffy's CoO nor Katakuri's weakness came into play in the climax of the fight.
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@Dahaka.:
Does anyone else think Luffy vs Katakuri was weirdly written?
I mean, at first the whole fight was all about Luffy improving his CoO and finding out how to bypass Katakuri's godly haki(by making him lose his cool)
And then it simply ends on Luffy randomly coming up with a power up that makes him fast enough to land hits on katakuri, which makes the whole 20 chapters of build up kinda irrelevant, because neither Luffy's CoO nor Katakuri's weakness came into play in the climax of the fights.
Don't forget that the beginning of the fight was about Katakuri's mochi powers supposedly being superior versions of Luffy's rubber powers. But then they just switch to using unique attacks, and Katakuri never uses those Diet Luffy attacks again.
This is another of why Haki, outside of hitting Logias, was a mistake narratively.
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@Count:
This is another of why Haki, outside of hitting Logias, was a mistake narratively.
Now that's a statement! Could you elaborate little bit?
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@Big:
Now that's a statement! Could you elaborate little bit?
To quote Greg him from a Teacher of OP thread post that I will probably never be able to find by now:
"I don't like Haki."
Armament Haki's problem is that fights are becoming more geared towards vaguely defined power levels. Since Haki is defined as tangible mental willpower, power levels are basically based on an unspecified amount of training and whoever is more "determined" than the other person. Unless a fight is willing to dig deep into character insecurities and psychological warfare, Armament Haki power levels are always going to look contrived for the sake of whoever Oda wants to win no matter what. A fighter's individual strength without Haki factor in too, hence why Hody's teeth were able to pierce through Luffy's Haki armored chest, but these Haki clashes are always portrayed as nearly equal forces colliding so that does not matter too much.
It also drains away even more of the creativity that Luffy applied into his pre-timeskip fights by making new attacks focus more on being stronger while having black coats of paint. So all the new functional creativity we get from Luffy is from Gear Fourth and probably Awakening in the future. Remember when Luffy invented moves like Gomu Gomu no Pinwheel and Gomu Gomu no Boh? We are never getting that again, only more Haki and more power-ups. The power-ups aren't too bad at this point, but it follows the shonen power creep trend of making previous moves look redundant and obsolete.
Observation Haki is even more problematic. Foresight, or anything related to manipulating time, is probably the worst superpower to ever write well. One Piece is no exception to this. Observation Haki worked very well when it was previously known as Mantra in Skypiea, but that is primarily because they were only abilities that the antagonists used. And antagonists can get away with having many types of abilities that would typically break inhibit story conflict potential in the hands of the protagonists, thus making those antagonists seem very intimidating. One Piece, at least up to Sabaody Archipelago, would be a much more different manga if Luffy had a Logia Devil Fruit's intangibility. A much more boring manga.
Observation Haki utilizes foresight, which lets you see enemy attacks before they occur so they can be prepared for with a block, dodge, or counter. If the protagonist gains this power, how do you as an author keep the antagonists as threats to be reckoned with? For Oda, the answer is quite simple.
Ignore its existence. At least until it is convenient for the plot. Hasn't that been happening for Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji's Observation Haki during most of post-timeskip thus far when they were not fighting fodder or locating someone? I don't think we ever saw Doflamingo use Observation Haki even once. Yet Luffy's advantage in this area mattered as little as Doflamingo never using Parasite on Luffy and Law before the second Gear Fourth transformation.
With a power ignored to this degree, it may as well be considered a wasted non-factor that only makes characters look dumb if they do not use it and victories/losses look more convenient than logical. And even if it was used, Oda would have to stretch his brain with all sorts of mental gymnastics for a fighter to counter another fighter's Observation Haki. The predictable thing to do is have two or more people's Observation Haki abilities "cancel out" the others, but then the fight is no different from Observation Haki never being introduced in the story. And any decently strong person around Luffy's level should be expected to have Haki training to stay relevant in the New World's strength hierarchy.
So here comes Katakuri boasting about having "future sight" Observation Haki. Observation Haki before this arc was never exactly the same as the other familiar executions of foresight powers. For example, Spider-Man's Spider-Sense tingles whenever he is about to be endangered. Spider-Sense can react to ANY type of danger the user will suffer by a person, object, or force of nature while Observation Haki detects somebody else's intent. Reading intent technically isn't predicting the future, as somebody's intent can be disrupted by a mistake or a flaw or an outside force.
Katakuri's "future sight" Observation Haki literally sees the future though. Not merely a future attack against him, but THE ENTIRE FUTURE IN HIS GENERAL VICINITY. As you might expect, this power sounds even more broken than standard Observation Haki. Maybe this is Oda's way of making Observation Haki relevant again while mitigating the awkwardness of underplaying its original form for long.
Whatever the case is, there are only three ways for Luffy to counter this in his fight. Option one is to somehow disrupt Katakuri's mental concentration, but foresight still makes that tricky to accomplish with consistently intuitive writing. Option two is Luffy enduring Katakuri's assaults while his Haki reserves gradually deplete. Oh yeah, I almost forgot about that. Haki, the tangible manifestation of willpower apparently has a "limit" now. A "limit" that never comes up in most fights. All we have to go by for this "limit" is whenever Luffy's Gear Fourth transformation conveniently gets cut short whenever the plot demands it and when battles last for whole hours or days. But Luffy is too prideful for that, he wants to overcome Katakuri at his peak.
So then comes option three: Luffy learns "future sight" Observation Haki. And he does this in a Saiyan power/Zenkai way where he constantly pushes his limits in near-death experiences to strengthen his abilities. And this sort of works. But unfortunately, like I said before in my Armament Haki section, Haki power-ups have made Luffy's base strength redundant. So Gear Fourth is needed. Oda could have simply made Luffy apply "future sight" Observation Haki to Boundman, which has more speed than Gear Second and more power than Gear Third. But I guess that isn't flashy enough for action-adventure shonen because Luffy instead shows a new Gear Fourth variation focusing on having even MORE speed. Rendering Luffy's "future sight" Observation Haki pointless. Maybe he works that ability into Snakeman, but the execution is so muted and redundant that it would hardly even matter.
So I now have to ask this question. If Luffy can't even be expected to overcome an enemy with "future sight" Observation Haki in the first fight he learns it in, how much confidence can we have in Luffy applying it to his future fights against the likes of Kaido and Blackbeard? Probably around zero percent. I'm willing to bet that it will only be used for one quick dodge in a fight if Oda wants to show off a villain's secret super powerful attack that Luffy would not be able to endure or counter. So no matter how much Observation Haki has changed, its mastery is still as futile as it has ever been on a narrative level.
Oh, and Conquerer's Haki is only useful for knocking out fodder crowds for cheap hype. Unless we learn that it can be advanced to actually cause tangible damage like when Shanks' Conquerer's Haki cracked wood on Whitebeard's ship, it is only a symbol of charisma. Only possible if layered on top of coincidental genetic birthright. What absolute garbage lol. But I will give Oda credit for working that into how Doflamingo was able to recruit his Executive Officers.
All in all, which fight scene do you think was more fun to watch? Luffy learning "future sight" Observation Haki mid-fight to match Katakuri or Luffy hitting a wall to ricochet his fists in random directions as a counter against Enel's Mantra? If you support the latter option, than I hope I can reiterate a simple phrase, but in unison this time:
"I don't like Haki."
The Nen system in Hunter x Hunter is pretty much the fundamental concepts for Haki and more done right.
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@Dahaka.:
Does anyone else think Luffy vs Katakuri was weirdly written?
I mean, at first the whole fight was all about Luffy improving his CoO and finding out how to bypass Katakuri's godly haki(by making him lose his cool)
And then it simply ends on Luffy randomly coming up with a power up that makes him fast enough to land hits on katakuri, which makes the whole 20 chapters of build up kinda irrelevant, because neither Luffy's CoO nor Katakuri's weakness came into play in the climax of the fight.
Oh, a canapé!
The weirdness began before their fight…
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Just by reading those two final panels in both pages, you can see that whether it was intended or not, it simply was forgotten the true meaning that makes Luffy's fortuitous luck blend with a good future for him and his pals through all the series.
Even the very sole weakness of Haki wasn't of use in this battle, mentioned twice, such thing as a limits weren't of use here. Katakuri fight was a friendly match for Luffy, Katakuri wanted to battle with him, Luffy wanted to train for greater challenges… i utterly fail when i want to think of this like as a mere sparring, even knowing what it is.
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@Count:
Remember when Luffy invented moves like Gomu Gomu no Pinwheel and Gomu Gomu no Boh? We are never getting that again, only more Haki and more power-ups.
Snakeman was really fun and cool.
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Snakeman was really fun and cool.
It was cool, aside from the underwhelming design and feeling like it's doing something Boundman can already do but with both arms. But I still don't care for how it comes at the expense of everything Luffy has learned pre-Gear Fourth becoming near-useless against anybody around his level or above.
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I don't see it as too bad of an issue. For a real long time, Luffy absolutely spammed Gear 2nd, pre-time skip. Comparatively, he's a bit more balanced.
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I feel like Luffy’s attacks are as creative as ever…
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@Count:
It was cool, aside from the underwhelming design and feeling like it's doing something Boundman can already do but with both arms. But I still don't care for how it comes at the expense of everything Luffy has learned pre-Gear Fourth becoming near-useless against anybody around his level or above.
I don't think everything pre-gear 4 is useless. I think everything pre-gear 4 just became Luffy's base-level. Kind of how bazooka used to be his big finisher, but by Sabaody, he was using it to dispatch mooks.
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I don't think everything pre-gear 4 is useless. I think everything pre-gear 4 just became Luffy's base-level. Kind of how bazooka used to be his big finisher, but by Sabaody, he was using it to dispatch mooks.
And I'm saying Luffy's base level is useless in fights now outside of defeating mooks. What you said is precisely the point I don't like about shonen power-ups.
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@Count:
To quote Greg him from a Teacher of OP thread post that I will probably never be able to find by now:
"I don't like Haki."
Armament Haki's problem is that fights are becoming more geared towards vaguely defined power levels. Since Haki is defined as tangible mental willpower, power levels are basically based on an unspecified amount of training and whoever is more "determined" than the other person. Unless a fight is willing to dig deep into character insecurities and psychological warfare, Armament Haki power levels are always going to look contrived for the sake of whoever Oda wants to win no matter what. A fighter's individual strength without Haki factor in too, hence why Hody's teeth were able to pierce through Luffy's Haki armored chest, but these Haki clashes are always portrayed as nearly equal forces colliding so that does not matter too much.
It also drains away even more of the creativity that Luffy applied into his pre-timeskip fights by making new attacks focus more on being stronger while having black coats of paint. So all the new functional creativity we get from Luffy is from Gear Fourth and probably Awakening in the future. Remember when Luffy invented moves like Gomu Gomu no Pinwheel and Gomu Gomu no Boh? We are never getting that again, only more Haki and more power-ups. The power-ups aren't too bad at this point, but it follows the shonen power creep trend of making previous moves look redundant and obsolete.
Observation Haki is even more problematic. Foresight, or anything related to manipulating time, is probably the worst superpower to ever write well. One Piece is no exception to this. Observation Haki worked very well when it was previously known as Mantra in Skypiea, but that is primarily because they were only abilities that the antagonists used. And antagonists can get away with having many types of abilities that would typically break inhibit story conflict potential in the hands of the protagonists, thus making those antagonists seem very intimidating. One Piece, at least up to Sabaody Archipelago, would be a much more different manga if Luffy had a Logia Devil Fruit's intangibility. A much more boring manga.
Observation Haki utilizes foresight, which lets you see enemy attacks before they occur so they can be prepared for with a block, dodge, or counter. If the protagonist gains this power, how do you as an author keep the antagonists as threats to be reckoned with? For Oda, the answer is quite simple.
Ignore its existence. At least until it is convenient for the plot. Hasn't that been happening for Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji's Observation Haki during most of post-timeskip thus far when they were not fighting fodder or locating someone? I don't think we ever saw Doflamingo use Observation Haki even once. Yet Luffy's advantage in this area mattered as little as Doflamingo never using Parasite on Luffy and Law before the second Gear Fourth transformation.
With a power ignored to this degree, it may as well be considered a wasted non-factor that only makes characters look dumb if they do not use it and victories/losses look more convenient than logical. And even if it was used, Oda would have to stretch his brain with all sorts of mental gymnastics for a fighter to counter another fighter's Observation Haki. The predictable thing to do is have two or more people's Observation Haki abilities "cancel out" the others, but then the fight is no different from Observation Haki never being introduced in the story. And any decently strong person around Luffy's level should be expected to have Haki training to stay relevant in the New World's strength hierarchy.
So here comes Katakuri boasting about having "future sight" Observation Haki. Observation Haki before this arc was never exactly the same as the other familiar executions of foresight powers. For example, Spider-Man's Spider-Sense tingles whenever he is about to be endangered. Spider-Sense can react to ANY type of danger the user will suffer by a person, object, or force of nature while Observation Haki detects somebody else's intent. Reading intent technically isn't predicting the future, as somebody's intent can be disrupted by a mistake or a flaw or an outside force.
Katakuri's "future sight" Observation Haki literally sees the future though. Not merely a future attack against him, but THE ENTIRE FUTURE IN HIS GENERAL VICINITY. As you might expect, this power sounds even more broken than standard Observation Haki. Maybe this is Oda's way of making Observation Haki relevant again while mitigating the awkwardness of underplaying its original form for long.
Whatever the case is, there are only three ways for Luffy to counter this in his fight. Option one is to somehow disrupt Katakuri's mental concentration, but foresight still makes that tricky to accomplish with consistently intuitive writing. Option two is Luffy enduring Katakuri's assaults while his Haki reserves gradually deplete. Oh yeah, I almost forgot about that. Haki, the tangible manifestation of willpower apparently has a "limit" now. A "limit" that never comes up in most fights. All we have to go by for this "limit" is whenever Luffy's Gear Fourth transformation conveniently gets cut short whenever the plot demands it and when battles last for whole hours or days. But Luffy is too prideful for that, he wants to overcome Katakuri at his peak.
So then comes option three: Luffy learns "future sight" Observation Haki. And he does this in a Saiyan power/Zenkai way where he constantly pushes his limits in near-death experiences to strengthen his abilities. And this sort of works. But unfortunately, like I said before in my Armament Haki section, Haki power-ups have made Luffy's base strength redundant. So Gear Fourth is needed. Oda could have simply made Luffy apply "future sight" Observation Haki to Boundman, which has more speed than Gear Second and more power than Gear Third. But I guess that isn't flashy enough for action-adventure shonen because Luffy instead shows a new Gear Fourth variation focusing on having even MORE speed. Rendering Luffy's "future sight" Observation Haki pointless. Maybe he works that ability into Snakeman, but the execution is so muted and redundant that it would hardly even matter.
So I now have to ask this question. If Luffy can't even be expected to overcome an enemy with "future sight" Observation Haki in the first fight he learns it in, how much confidence can we have in Luffy applying it to his future fights against the likes of Kaido and Blackbeard? Probably around zero percent. I'm willing to bet that it will only be used for one quick dodge in a fight if Oda wants to show off a villain's secret super powerful attack that Luffy would not be able to endure or counter. So no matter how much Observation Haki has changed, its mastery is still as futile as it has ever been on a narrative level.
Oh, and Conquerer's Haki is only useful for knocking out fodder crowds for cheap hype. Unless we learn that it can be advanced to actually cause tangible damage like when Shanks' Conquerer's Haki cracked wood on Whitebeard's ship, it is only a symbol of charisma. Only possible if layered on top of coincidental genetic birthright. What absolute garbage lol. But I will give Oda credit for working that into how Doflamingo was able to recruit his Executive Officers.
All in all, which fight scene do you think was more fun to watch? Luffy learning "future sight" Observation Haki mid-fight to match Katakuri or Luffy hitting a wall to ricochet his fists in random directions as a counter against Enel's Mantra? If you support the latter option, than I hope I can reiterate a simple phrase, but in unison this time:
"I don't like Haki."
The Nen system in Hunter x Hunter is pretty much the fundamental concepts for Haki and more done right.
Armanent Haki is odd because throughout the whole fight luffy hqd the stonger will eyt oda showed on multiple fronts unless he was in boundman luffy's CoA was weaker.
Also i feel he delayed the snakeman til he improved his haki enough to make it work, cant say it was shown but its what im inferring because if he didnt need it he coulkd have gon G4 at 11, maybe offscreen damage / exhaustion to katakuri over the 2 hours added up more to his defeat
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I like Haki on a conceptual level, but don't like its execution.
For example, Conqueror makes perfect sense as concept. It's a manifestation of charisma based on character traits. And these character traits are rare so that only a selected few really can achieve it. It should be obtainable to those who have that kind of charisma to easily gain others for your goals - like basically every Strawhat. I guess the best way to describe what's necessary is to have a godlike resilience. Those who can deal with negative environments better than the rest. So, they manage to overcome exceptionally terrible events, get better over them and therefore CONQUER them. Which leads to them being exceptionally positive people which is perfectly in line with them getting others for their goals. What the actual haki abilities should be is another question, though. However…
And now, however, the execution boils down to just whoever is strong and so shall have it. No, some whiny bitch like Chinjao just should not have CoC. Just no! He was a whiny bitch with pisspoor resilience who didn't get over some trivial shit and therefore dwelled on the past for... decades??? Really, why should anybody want to follow such a whiner???
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I don't mind Haki as a powerset. I just think Oda made it too common. It should have just been used by Luffy, the Yonkou, the Admirals, a few special cases like Mihawk and Rayleigh, and MAAAYBE Zoro. Don't just give it to every upper-mid level New World character.
At this point it's more remarkable when someone doesn't use Haki in their fighting style (like the Vinsmokes, seemingly) than when someone does.
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I dont like vague power levels, because everyone is the same stregnth and nobody should ever be considered stronger than anyone else because then blah blah blah. Levels have been established since don kreig we just had no way of gauging it and honestly we still dont. Minus the villain saying im way stronger because of x and you are only y. But once again i remeber that since the days of….alvida? Seems like the swries may be getting too advanced for sone peiple despite it being relitively the same
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You know something, I've been wondering about Compote. And why she hasn't done anything yet. I kinda feel like that she knows something the rest of Big Mom's offspring doesn't know.
But I dunno what I'm talking about, of course. But her being the 1st Daughter but at the same time not doing anything seems really fishy, and that Oda is saving Compote for something big.
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You know something, I've been wondering about Compote. And why she hasn't done anything yet. I kinda feel like that she knows something the rest of Big Mom's offspring doesn't know.
But I dunno what I'm talking about, of course. But her being the 1st Daughter but at the same time not doing anything seems really fishy, and that Oda is saving Compote for something big.
Oda took so long trying to find Smoothie something to do that Compote never had the chance
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You know something, I've been wondering about Compote. And why she hasn't done anything yet. I kinda feel like that she knows something the rest of Big Mom's offspring doesn't know.
But I dunno what I'm talking about, of course. But her being the 1st Daughter but at the same time not doing anything seems really fishy, and that Oda is saving Compote for something big.
She's a woman. Sometimes, that is enough of an explanatiom in OP. Sad but true.
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This is why Carrot needs to join the SHs, so we can have at least one less female standing around doing nothing out of the multitude of them.
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Just gonna tally up here. Bold is dead imo.
-Big Mom Pirates lost:
Mascato, Opera, Nusstorte, Basskarte, Dosmoche, Cracker, Bobbin, Katakuri-Firetank Pirates lost:
Pound[Grandpa], Nostra Castello[Ship], Gangster Gastino [He Gone]-Germa:
Reiju, Ichiji, Niji, Yonji-SH Alliance:
Pedro, Pekoms, Sunny [Badly hurt]
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Do you really think Pekoms is dead?
Not necessarily dead, but he's only alive with the mercy of the Big Mom Pirates, nothing else.
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Not necessarily dead, but he's only alive with the mercy of the Big Mom Pirates, nothing else.
I also doubt pound is dead i mean oven may be strong but the man "went out" with a love quote. And live is always a hurricane.
Moscato i want to go back and check too the bm dudes instructing others to gather up ever bit of soul or whatever is suspect…. now that we hit the end of the arc imma do a re-read. That may make the break more bearable
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I still hope Pekoms just hid inside his shell and is there since then because they keep attacking him non-stop. I just can't handle how completely useless his sacrifice was (it didn't accomplished anything Luffy couldn't have done by himself), so having him actually be damage for it would just add insult to injury.
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**Moscato, Pound, Pekoms
All Dead.
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The lion is dead tonight ?
Naaaah! He will make a come back, eventually. That or Oda really went out of his way to make the BIg Mom pirates efficient. Which I wouldn't mind. -
@Bond:
With quite a few members trying to piece together Big Mom's family tree, I thought it might be fun to have some sort of visual aid.
! https://preview.ibb.co/dxn18S/Charlotte_Family.jpg
I didn't include any ages that haven't been confirmed, and the order for many of the children is also unconfirmed, but we know how many sons and daughters Big Mom has in total so I just set them all out first.
I'll fill in the spaces and rearrange accordingly as we learn more about the family, but I hope this will help with visualisation for the moment.Nusstorte, Myukuru, and the younger kids aren't included yet because I don't know where to put them.
Makes me wonder if Joconde and Brownie are twins giving their position on this chart here…they look similar to each other but on the other hand this has nothing to say with Oda's way of drawing people lol. Also i think Amande came before Opera and the Quintuplets as she was listed before Opera and Cracker on Volume 88 so she would be around 47 i assume.
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@Bond:
With quite a few members trying to piece together Big Mom's family tree, I thought it might be fun to have some sort of visual aid.
! https://preview.ibb.co/dxn18S/Charlotte_Family.jpg
I didn't include any ages that haven't been confirmed, and the order for many of the children is also unconfirmed, but we know how many sons and daughters Big Mom has in total so I just set them all out first.
I'll fill in the spaces and rearrange accordingly as we learn more about the family, but I hope this will help with visualisation for the moment.Nusstorte, Myukuru, and the younger kids aren't included yet because I don't know where to put them.
the one piece wiki says Nusstorte is the 12th son. I don't know if it is correct, but he seems to be one of the older people.
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the one piece wiki says Nusstorte is the 12th son. I don't know if it is correct, but he seems to be one of the older people.
It's correct.
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@Dahaka.:
Does anyone else think Luffy vs Katakuri was weirdly written?
I mean, at first the whole fight was all about Luffy improving his CoO and finding out how to bypass Katakuri's godly haki(by making him lose his cool)
And then it simply ends on Luffy randomly coming up with a power up that makes him fast enough to land hits on katakuri, which makes the whole 20 chapters of build up kinda irrelevant, because neither Luffy's CoO nor Katakuri's weakness came into play in the climax of the fight.
Not really.
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Luffy beat Katakuri by using Snakeman in conjunction with his newly improved COO, not just with Snakeman.
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@Kaido:
Luffy beat Katakuri by using Snakeman in conjunction with his newly improved COO, not just with Snakeman.
I didn't get that impression by I won't say it's false.
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I didn't get that impression by I won't say it's false.
Same.
If Luffy was able to fight evenly with him also thanks to CoO, then imo Oda failed to communicate that during that portion of the fight.