Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !

[maxterdexter]

Just remember that the artificial dragon fruit is not a smile. We don't know what Caesar or vegapunk did, and what do these fruits differ from each other and a proper zoan devil fruit, besides the obvious transformation differences.

[MasterKingJC]

@Greg:

As open as I am to Orochi, I will not budge on the climbing aspect.

I believe in it as much as I did Sanji making a cake.

Oda has been setting it up and it simply makes sense.

Anything else would be way too OP nor would it be unique.

Again, as with Sanji, when I say 'climb' I get the feeling that ppl think it's a tedious way.

Nuh-uh. It's gonna be fast as hell. He's gonna be a total badass.

But he will not simply fly.

Calling it.

Foot cemented in the ground on this one.

I have no doubt that Oda will make his climbing look as badass and cool as possible.
Is it odd that the first thing I thought of was Spider-Man wallrunning up a building? lol

[Long John Silvers Rayleigh]

Greg what are your thoughts on if and how oda will subvert everyone and there mother predicting wereminks as transforming into wild beasts, i figured it might be something were their electro increases along with their speed and all. Also though you've apparently mentioned oda stating he doesnt follow the moon oatterns anymore doesnt it seem too early to see carrot transform right here?

[Greg]

So…

About this....

I wrote about how it seems to be FAR too early for a full moon for my next article.

I won't go into details but I'm really interested in what the response will be from the editors.

As for what they might turn into, it'd be cute if they turned into their base animal but they were stupid strong. This would allow Carrot to basically recreate The Holy Grail ^o^

I do not think that will happen but it'd be funny.

Either way, Wanda seemed 'relieved' the full moon on Zou wasn't visible so that means it's either dangerous or embarrassing for them.

[maxterdexter]

It would be a cheat for now after almost 900 chapters, to see another moon on the sky. Unless that weird thing that kidnaped bege back before the timeskip was a low flying moon.

[Bond en Avant]

Thinking back to the planet model on Ohara, is it possible that the timing for full moons in the One Piece world is a little different to ours?
Though we've really only ever seen one moon at any given time in the story so I don't know how accurate that model actually is.

[ARTEMlS]

I think Wano really is the right time for a full moon. Right now on Totland, not so much… Especially at the climax it'd feel like a total cop-out, considering there were absolutely no indications beforehand that we might get it right now.

[Greg]

If it is indeed a full moon, if it has rejuvinating power then that bodes well for Pedro.

[Blissed]

@ARTEMlS:

I think Wano really is the right time for a full moon. Right now on Totland, not so much… Especially at the climax it'd feel like a total cop-out, considering there were absolutely no indications beforehand that we might get it right now.

The indication is happening right now. Personally, it was a definite possibility since I found it strange that they'd be meeting up at 1 am.

[Shobu Yoruichi]

@maxterdexter:

It would be a cheat for now after almost 900 chapters, to see another moon on the sky. Unless that weird thing that kidnaped bege back before the timeskip was a low flying moon.

I get your point, but if we accepted that Observation sees the future after 600 chapters (roughly when Mantra was introduced), the moon thing can be poorly included in the foreshadowing of the picture at Ohara's library.

Huh? Pedro alive and beating thanks to Ozaru mode??… can't help it, the guy is awesome. An undead more won't be budge, so welcomed. Unless it were Ace, that thing for sure would be a stormy failure.

[maxterdexter]

@Shobu:

I get your point, but if we accepted that Observation sees the future after 600 chapters (roughly when Mantra was introduced), the moon thing can be poorly included in the foreshadowing of the picture at Ohara's library.

Not the same in the slightest, because we have one moon, they had shown one moon, the oharan model is unknown what does it means, it might be an outdated geocentric model of the solar system for all we know.

On the other hand, observation haki was introduced in the early 200s, is a staple of action series, it's something that people can actually do, as in I can predict how someone will act in a given situation with some knowledge and the right vision.

And if Katakuri is using haki, he's not predicting the future, he's sensing their intentions and movements, meaning gaining information and building up a prediction based on that.

[Shobu Yoruichi]

@maxterdexter:

Not the same in the slightest, because we have one moon, they had shown one moon, the oharan model is unknown what does it means, it might be an outdated geocentric model of the solar system for all we know.

On the other hand, observation haki was introduced in the early 200s, is a staple of action series, it's something that people can actually do, as in I can predict how someone will act in a given situation with some knowledge and the right vision.

And if Katakuri is using haki, he's not predicting the future, he's sensing their intentions and movements, meaning gaining information and building up a prediction based on that.

I was just putting in the group of poorly resourced mixed with the great current plot, only for that :p

"if Katakuri is using haki, he's not predicting the future"
You're quite right there, Katakuri doesn't predicts the future… Shirley does that.
What mah boi does is seeing it, he literally sees what will happen in the untouchable flow of time... but then Oda says using Bege's mouth: "The future can be changed". And that's when you have to realize that everybody with shonen power can touch the untouchable and shit starts to happen with the luckiest guy in the One Pieceverse wanting to have that power.

There is moments in life when you only have to accept what's given to you, all for the sake of the wonderful, never seen before, worldbuilding of One Piece, one only has to be patient with it.

[Ace 4]

@maxterdexter:

It would be a cheat for now after almost 900 chapters, to see another moon on the sky. Unless that weird thing that kidnaped bege back before the timeskip was a low flying moon.

I dont remember much from my science classes but I remember that the moon can only be seen because it is reflecting sunlight. And thats why when there is a solar eclipse(not this but I think a phase of the moon; cant recall), you cant see the moon for a bit because its in a position where its not reflecting as much sunlight as it usually does.

Also, I dont think every single thing that orbits the planet is of the same size. We know for sure they all have differently orbits so the one Bege landed on could definitely be one of them.

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Also, I dont know if you could even classify it a moon. I mean, that thing seems to have a much stronger gravity than the planet does since it attracted Bege's ship from the surface.

But then it gets weird lol. If that thing has a much stronger gravitational pull than the planet, then it makes it seem the planet is actually orbiting around it. Idk lol. The whole thing is interesting. Expecially when there are others according to that model in Ohara.

Not only that, you even have that one spot on the world where it never goes dark. Enies Lobby.

[Roronoa Zacho]

@•Ace•:

(…)

Not only that, you even have that one spot on the world where it never goes dark. Enies Lobby.

If Oda is really in astronomy and the OP-world is round, this means that there has to be a place (I would assume in the NW) where it is always night. But maybe that daylight Thing on EL hasn't anything to do with world-sun-Positions.
Nevertheless, above the polar ring during summer time the sun doesn't vanish behind the horizon for 14 days (iirc).

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Since there has been a lot of discussion about Kaidou being a Dragon (or an 8-headed Dragon to be precisely), Count asked if I'd draw a prediction of that. I can spoil this much: I didn't draw an 8-headed Version, but I scribbled some possible Dragon-form of Kaidou. I can upload it between today and tomorrow.

[Doke no Buggy]

I feel like the model we saw in Ohara wasn't actually showing six moons or however many there were around the planet, but was a geocentric model of the One Piece solar system. It would answer why we have only seen one moon in the sky, because the other "moons" are actually planets and they aren't orbiting the One Piece world. This doesn't address the problem of time between full moons, but it does explain the number of moons.

[K. Kira XXIII]

@Doke:

I feel like the model we saw in Ohara wasn't actually showing six moons or however many there were around the planet, but was a geocentric model of the One Piece solar system. It would answer why we have only seen one moon in the sky, because the other "moons" are actually planets and they aren't orbiting the One Piece world. This doesn't address the problem of time between full moons, but it does explain the number of moons.

But which of the planet/moons is the Sun then?

The only reason to believe that it is a geocentric model is if the World Government was hiding how the real universe is. We are to believe that Moon people came to Earth and would have advanced scientific knowledge in the subject.

Not to mention, what about this model then?

!

It clearly only shows 1 planet and its moon.

[RomanceDawn]

@K.:

But which of the planet/moons is the Sun then?

The only reason to believe that it is a geocentric model is if the World Government was hiding how the real universe is. We are to believe that Moon people came to Earth and would have advanced scientific knowledge in the subject.

Not to mention, what about this model then?

! http://i3.mangareader.net/one-piece/689/one-piece-3712675.jpg

It clearly only shows 1 planet and its moon.

The geocentric model wouldn't necessarily be hiding something. It was made out of ignorance. Plus that was from like 20 years ago story time. Naturally like technology subtly advancing within the 2 year training period, astronomers would have used all that time to understand their solar system better. The geocentric model(which it undoubtedly is) was just simply out dated during Robin's flash back.

Also the moon people definitely have some amazing scientific knowledge but it is cannon fact that the mass migration to the blue sea from the moon happened by SpongeBob style balloon travel.

[K. Kira XXIII]

@RomanceDawn:

The geocentric model wouldn't necessarily be hiding something. It was made out of ignorance.

Yes, however it would also go in line with how the government is hiding information with the void century. This could have been knowledge that was known 800 years ago, however with such a manipulation of information, then it could be from both. Their ignorance is due to the government preventing information from being obtained. Mainly, the idea that the ancient kingdom was or had an alliance of some sort with the moon people and were very technologically advanced and the WG saw that information as dangerous, therefore limited its access.

Plus that was from like 20 years ago story time. Naturally like technology subtly advancing within the 2 year training period, astronomers would have used all that time to understand their solar system better. The geocentric model(which it undoubtedly is) was just simply out dated during Robin's flash back.

I am not discrediting that. I just find it curious that there was such a big panel to show that, and then a small subtle panel showing a more accurate version of the planet, not only that, it was shown in the previous lab of Vegapunk, one of the greatest minds in the world. Is it not curious though, that a geocentric model would be shown in the library of people trying to uncover the void century.

Also the moon people definitely have some amazing scientific knowledge but it is cannon fact that the mass migration to the blue sea from the moon happened by SpongeBob style balloon travel.

Even then, coming from outer space and being able to travel in space would make me think that they would have a proper grasp on how the universe actually works.

Side note: There is also the idea of what if some of the other moons were destroyed as part of the void century stuff. I am not sure from where that came from though.

[Kdom]

Maybe that model is an antique and is just here for decoration. I mean, there is no ecliptic, the "moons" have all the same orbit. I’m not sure Oda planned it that much when he drew it

[K. Kira XXIII]

It being decoration is good too.

[Ace 4]

@Doke:

I feel like the model we saw in Ohara wasn't actually showing six moons or however many there were around the planet, but was a geocentric model of the One Piece solar system. It would answer why we have only seen one moon in the sky, because the other "moons" are actually planets and they aren't orbiting the One Piece world. This doesn't address the problem of time between full moons, but it does explain the number of moons.

I think they could still be orbiting the planet. Oda could use it to give somewhat of an explanation to the planets environment. And also, if we stick to our knowledge of the solar system, all the planets in our solar system are on the same plane. Meaning if you were to look at the solar system from the side, they are on a line. The Ohara model shows different orbits from different angles.

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@K.:

But which of the planet/moons is the Sun then?

The only reason to believe that it is a geocentric model is if the World Government was hiding how the real universe is. We are to believe that Moon people came to Earth and would have advanced scientific knowledge in the subject.

Not to mention, what about this model then?

! [qimg]http://i3.mangareader.net/one-piece/689/one-piece-3712675.jpg[/qimg]

It clearly only shows 1 planet and its moon.

I dont see a planet and its moon. I see a circular object with a ring. The circular object is plain. It has no redline. Nothing. And the ring lacks a moon to show its orbit. Its just a ring. We dont even know what that is suppose to be.

[K. Kira XXIII]

Some planets have rings.

[Ace 4]

@K.:

Some planets have rings.

Yeah they do like Saturn. But I cant see how we can say what we see there is the OP planet. It doesnt even resemble the planet at all. Its just a plain circular object with a ring. Could be a different planet.

[K. Kira XXIII]

Yeah, maybe the home planet of the Moon people? They initially just migrated to the moon?

But if it is a planet, then is it important, or just art deco?

[Roronoa Zacho]

So, one day late, but here is my imagination of Kaidou as a dragon.
Are you ready?
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a few answers to possible questions about this drawing:
"no 8 heads?" - Well, as much as i like the idea of 8 heads, i cannot imagine Kaidou with 8 heads (yet), although Kaidou is "broad" enough for that, but that would also mean 8 thin necks.
"Why Marco of all the supporting chars?" - simple reason: he was the easiest to draw out of memory. I added some scars to him, cause he fought with BB recently.
"There is another spiked ring on Kaidou's tail!" - yes, there is one. Now guess where that thing was while he was in his human form…
It also was strange to draw tattooed scales on scaled skin. It's like drawing skin-cell-tattoos on human skin.
Not only his beard and moustache make him a good dragon, but also his "hairy" eyebrows.
I had to look up how his pants look like and I looked up Luffy's G4-stance.
Can someone tell me what this "papery" stuff is, that hangs from Kaidou's belt?
And I drew him a little thinner than his human form. I liked slim hybrid Lucci more than his hulky hybrid form.
Oh, and I screwed up the layout and the order of the lower panels, so please read them from the left to the right.
Count had some well-researched dragon-references and I guess I based the overall body shape on Polunga (Porunga?) the namekian Shenron.[/hide]

[.access timeco.]

I've been thinking about this for some weeks now, but couldn't find nothing about it anywhere. But then I just realized Greg would be the kind of person to have something on the subject… any chances the little people are based on the koroppokuru of the Ainu?

It's something that stroke me a while ago, but I can't find much on the subject of the koroppokuru on the internet to know how deep the connection could go.

[Count Mario]

@Roronoa:

So, one day late, but here is my imagination of Kaidou as a dragon.
Are you ready?
[hide]
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/7260092538aa690127baa9b2b8ba89f0931cc70fe28ab6553568a6cb1d86f4ef168e86a3.jpg
a few answers to possible questions about this drawing:
"no 8 heads?" - Well, as much as i like the idea of 8 heads, i cannot imagine Kaidou with 8 heads (yet), although Kaidou is "broad" enough for that, but that would also mean 8 thin necks.
"Why Marco of all the supporting chars?" - simple reason: he was the easiest to draw out of memory. I added some scars to him, cause he fought with BB recently.
"There is another spiked ring on Kaidou's tail!" - yes, there is one. Now guess where that thing was while he was in his human form…
It also was strange to draw tattooed scales on scaled skin. It's like drawing skin-cell-tattoos on human skin.
Not only his beard and moustache make him a good dragon, but also his "hairy" eyebrows.
I had to look up how his pants look like and I looked up Luffy's G4-stance.
Can someone tell me what this "papery" stuff is, that hangs from Kaidou's belt?
And I drew him a little thinner than his human form. I liked slim hybrid Lucci more than his hulky hybrid form.
Oh, and I screwed up the layout and the order of the lower panels, so please read them from the left to the right.
Count had some well-researched dragon-references and I guess I based the overall body shape on Polunga (Porunga?) the namekian Shenron.[/hide]

My reaction is the exact same as Luffy's. That image looks so fucking awesome. I kept imagining Kaido's hybrid form looking exactly like Porunga with hair, but the legs and tail work really well. I can definitely see him climbing clouds super fast in that form too. Thank you so much for accepting my request to draw this. The Luffy/Marco team-up is a great bonus I didn't expect, and I like how Marco has the same type of scar that Shanks has since they both fought Blackbeard. :P

[thegab]

@Roronoa:

So, one day late, but here is my imagination of Kaidou as a dragon.
Are you ready?
[hide]
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/7260092538aa690127baa9b2b8ba89f0931cc70fe28ab6553568a6cb1d86f4ef168e86a3.jpg
a few answers to possible questions about this drawing:
"no 8 heads?" - Well, as much as i like the idea of 8 heads, i cannot imagine Kaidou with 8 heads (yet), although Kaidou is "broad" enough for that, but that would also mean 8 thin necks.
"Why Marco of all the supporting chars?" - simple reason: he was the easiest to draw out of memory. I added some scars to him, cause he fought with BB recently.
"There is another spiked ring on Kaidou's tail!" - yes, there is one. Now guess where that thing was while he was in his human form…
It also was strange to draw tattooed scales on scaled skin. It's like drawing skin-cell-tattoos on human skin.
Not only his beard and moustache make him a good dragon, but also his "hairy" eyebrows.
I had to look up how his pants look like and I looked up Luffy's G4-stance.
Can someone tell me what this "papery" stuff is, that hangs from Kaidou's belt?
And I drew him a little thinner than his human form. I liked slim hybrid Lucci more than his hulky hybrid form.
Oh, and I screwed up the layout and the order of the lower panels, so please read them from the left to the right.
Count had some well-researched dragon-references and I guess I based the overall body shape on Polunga (Porunga?) the namekian Shenron.[/hide]

Oh shit, you just made me fangasm from a luffy/Marco tag team battle
Great stuff!

[Roronoa Zacho]

@Count:

My reaction is the exact same as Luffy's. That image looks so fucking awesome. I kept imagining Kaido's hybrid form looking exactly like Porunga with hair, but the legs and tail work really well. I can definitely see him climbing clouds super fast in that form too. Thank you so much for accepting my request to draw this. The Luffy/Marco team-up is a great bonus I didn't expect, and I like how Marco has the same type of scar that Shanks has since they both fought Blackbeard. :P

Yeah, although BB never used this wolverine blades on panel (we just saw it one time on his hand), he gave Marco that scar, because of the good ol' times on WB's ship. Why is it not healing from Marco's phoenix-ability? I guess BB grabbed him and nullified his ability while wounding him.
No matter how Kaidou will look as a dragon, I guess I pretty much nailed Luffy's reaction to the transformation.
Porunga fits the best to Kaidou's ripped body-shape. I can't imagine him as a serpent-eastern-dragon. Maybe in full "animal"-form, but IDK.
Another reason not to choose the 8-heads-idea is, 8 is an even number, but for a main head (like I read here a few posts ago) you need an uneven number (3, 5, 7, 9,…) to place it in the center.

@thegab:

Oh shit, you just made me fangasm from a luffy/Marco tag team battle
Great stuff!

Yeah, I also could have made Dragon-Momo, but he just didn't grow to me that much (maybe that will change when I see Oden's flashback). And the other main supporter in the alliance with the ability to fly was Marco. But I think I forgot to draw his chest tattoo. And I drew Kaidou without wings intentionally, cause I stick to Greg's idea, that Kaidou uses the same way to "fly" as Momo. By climbing self-made clouds. I displayed some of them by Kaidou's feet. Though Kaidou with wings would also look badass, I think.

And thanks a lot to both of you!
coughyou-can-nominate-me-for-that-AP-Award-fanart-thing-againcough!

[Watch-man]

Well that Kaido theories and discussion about if someones dead grow really boring really fast..

[Greg]

Love the design!

Yep, that's what I've been envisioning for some time now.

Master's prediction about Orochi though seems to be on target though so I do we'll see that 8-headed beast at some point.

I wonder if he'll be able to summon heads at will?

You brought up wings and those are something Kaidou cannot have.

Oda has been careful to distinguish between Western winged dragons 竜 and Eastern wingless dragons 龍. What we saw in PH were specifically 竜 but Momo is a 龍. Still, would look cool!

[No swords style best style]

You know, if Kaido could turn into a ROBOT dragon, Luffy's head might explode from awesomeness overload.

[Count Mario]

I think it would be cool if summoning the eight heads was Kaido's Awakening.

[andre]

@Count:

I think it would be cool if summoning the eight heads was Kaido's Awakening.

With this as a start, is this in line with most everyone's thinking about Awakening? That in regards to zoans, it is capable of something like this? Does that imply that Magellan's second form is awakening? Greg, what are your thoughts on Zoan and the less easy Paramecium awakening?

[Count Mario]

@andre:

With this as a start, is this in line with most everyone's thinking about Awakening? That in regards to zoans, it is capable of something like this? Does that imply that Magellan's second form is awakening? Greg, what are your thoughts on Zoan and the less easy Paramecium awakening?

I would just like to add that a Mythical Zoans Awakening could be more special than the typical Zoan Awakening if they really are along the lines of the Impel Down Jailer Beasts and Monster Chopper.

[Jaime]

Holding a stream anytime soon Greg?

[Greg]

For all my posting here of late you'd think I have time to but it's just bc I'm waking up at like 4am recently ^0^ things are actually really busy and I can't even work on a vid bc of end of year work not to mention getting my JUMPs ready to ship to the States (see Twitter) but I'm going to try and do some streaming from Jump Festa.

[maxterdexter]

I hope you never have to move those things again. Unless you really want to.

[Robby]

@Roronoa:

Another reason not to choose the 8-heads-idea is, 8 is an even number, but for a main head (like I read here a few posts ago) you need an uneven number (3, 5, 7, 9,…) to place it in the center.

Not if one of them is in back or they're in a circle. Having them all side by side demands a specific hydra body shape. But judging from Magellan and Sandersonia there'd be one front head and then less detailed ones behind it.

Really thats the only reason I can see Oda not doing it, he's already used that design for an attack twice. Bt then, Punk Hazard and Sea Kings have already run through standard dragons, so…

[uniaka ikuzakas]

I don-t see how 8 heads would work in battle. As battle with a brawler like luffy.

It is one thing when kaidou zoan mode looks like the fanart Roronoa Zacho posted, and they can have a proper brawler battle, and another thing when it just has 8 heads. how would their battle even look like? the 8 heads headbutt luffy or something for the entire battle or the heads just shoot fire and sht and luffy has to cut the heads one by one to win? If anything, the 8 heads would only make kaidou a non moving target. I have trouble seeing oda draw a likely 10 chapters or more battles with 8 heads crwature that always is on the move.

and how likely is it for the zoan hybrid mode to look like wester dragon and full zoan mode to look like eastern dragon? Could there be two different dragon zoans fruits in op?

[Roronoa Zacho]

@Greg:

Love the design!

Yep, that's what I've been envisioning for some time now.

Master's prediction about Orochi though seems to be on target though so I do we'll see that 8-headed beast at some point.

I wonder if he'll be able to summon heads at will?

You brought up wings and those are something Kaidou cannot have.

Oda has been careful to distinguish between Western winged dragons 竜 and Eastern wingless dragons 龍. What we saw in PH were specifically 竜 but Momo is a 龍. Still, would look cool!

Thanks, man! 8 heads activated by awakening (like Count mentioned) sounds cool. I want Kaidou to be an awakened Zoan, but then the faces of MinoKoala, Minotaurus, Minorhino and MinoChihuahua(?) Pop up in my head.
So I hope Kaidou's awakened heads won't look like the mino-beasts.

Since I assume the beast pirates will be a zoan-zoo like the CP9 was, I wonder if the calamite named King will be a Lion-Zoan. Queen would then make a cool (Sabretooth-)Tiger-Zoan. Or do you think the Lion-theme is sth. "Sunny-exclusive"?

Bringing a Lion zoan after the beast pirates would be "meh", like bringing a Shichibukai as an obstacle after a Yonkou.
Weevil could come after Kaidou, but I highly doubt he will be an "obstacle"-enemy like Croc or Doffy were.

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@Robby:

Not if one of them is in back or they're in a circle. Having them all side by side demands a specific hydra body shape. But judging from Magellan and Sandersonia there'd be one front head and then less detailed ones behind it.

Really thats the only reason I can see Oda not doing it, he's already used that design for an attack twice. Bt then, Punk Hazard and Sea Kings have already run through standard dragons, so…

You got a Point there. If the necks are thick enough, those would fit with Kaidou.

[joesephes]

@Roronoa:

So, one day late, but here is my imagination of Kaidou as a dragon.
Are you ready?
[hide]
[qimg]https://serving.photos.photobox.com/7260092538aa690127baa9b2b8ba89f0931cc70fe28ab6553568a6cb1d86f4ef168e86a3.jpg[/qimg]
a few answers to possible questions about this drawing:
"no 8 heads?" - Well, as much as i like the idea of 8 heads, i cannot imagine Kaidou with 8 heads (yet), although Kaidou is "broad" enough for that, but that would also mean 8 thin necks.
"Why Marco of all the supporting chars?" - simple reason: he was the easiest to draw out of memory. I added some scars to him, cause he fought with BB recently.
"There is another spiked ring on Kaidou's tail!" - yes, there is one. Now guess where that thing was while he was in his human form…
It also was strange to draw tattooed scales on scaled skin. It's like drawing skin-cell-tattoos on human skin.
Not only his beard and moustache make him a good dragon, but also his "hairy" eyebrows.
I had to look up how his pants look like and I looked up Luffy's G4-stance.
Can someone tell me what this "papery" stuff is, that hangs from Kaidou's belt?
And I drew him a little thinner than his human form. I liked slim hybrid Lucci more than his hulky hybrid form.
Oh, and I screwed up the layout and the order of the lower panels, so please read them from the left to the right.
Count had some well-researched dragon-references and I guess I based the overall body shape on Polunga (Porunga?) the namekian Shenron.[/hide]

Wow, that actually looks great! I think this fits kaido pretty well! ;)

[Greg]

This was asked in an other thread but I'd like to answer it here. It's an important question.

I've been meaning to ask, also because of your videos, is there no Fair Use law in Japan, or something of the sorts?

The scanlations and spoilers are a big no-no legally speaking, no way to ignore that, but using small bits for academic purposes or public discussion is usually no big deal.
I know the forums don't count as academic and that most of the time the images used come from scanlation sites but if people used other ways to present the images they needed I don't think there would be that kind of problem since it would be isolated cases.

In your videos you'd only need a couple of panels or so for each piece of trivia you present, not even the whole page.
I see alot of video essays on youtube, about comics*, where it is perfectly normal to use a couple or two of pages to dissect and analyze, or about movies/tv shows, where they use a few minutes of footage to show examples (this pertains to actual analyzes/discussion videos, not those videos that are just a funny or cool scene taken straight from the movie).
What actually stops you from using such model?

*just leaving this out here, the yt channel is called Strip Panel Naked and it is great.
if you like comics as a medium and not just the stories they present (nothing wrong with that, btw) definitely check it out

'Fair Use' is a rather difficult to define concept.

It's not just as simple as:

"I made something new out of somebody else's thing and thereby it's not a problem."

This is what the YouTube Generation thinks and sometimes they're right and sometimes they are not.

In many instances, 'fair use' is to be determined case-by-case to determine whether or not any boundaries are being exploited. What's on the books may or may not say so, but the fact that these are being argued over every day shows that it's not a black and white matter.

So, why are so many YTers able to get away with what they do?

Well, when it comes to manga, it's largely a case of cultural misunderstandings and misdirection. Your average scanlation reader doesn't realize that the Japanese versions are released after the scans and deluge of YouTube videos.

Every major YouTube reaction video that I know of is released before the legal release. Speaking broadly, Japan does not realize this. Heck, sometimes even the US publishers don't realize this. They're allowed to keep on going because they don't reach a large enough audience to stand out, but they also reach a large enough audience to be profitable, so they maintain their pattern of release. If the rights department at license-holders were aware of this, they would (and have) taken action when and where applicable. However, they're also human and they're not out to get everyone unless they pop up on their radar or there are egregious violations of their property.

So, that, in a nutshell, is why things 'are they way they are' right now.

Now, as for what is/isn't a big deal.

Trying to make discussion a legal issue is where it gets complicated.

Is discussion by a YTer with a monetized video who is knowingly using scanlations as a resource and, in their discussion, urging others to follow them in reading illegal releases (no matter how much they 'support' the legal release) fine? Nope.
It's knowingly propagating the habit of reading scanlations. This would be a complete non-issue if they simply released their videos alongside the legal release but everything for the YouTube generation is about being the first. Nothing else matters.

If YTers truly cared about promoting the official releases they would all agree to release on the official release. I've even challenged them suggesting if you love the series more than yourself, you would release on the official date. None have done so. Because all it takes is one kid doing an early release to take away from their viewers and therefore none of them are willing to do that nor will they because it's about being first, not about the series.

What about a discussion after the release like the One Piece Podcast?

Here's a checklist:

Are you using original properties in a way that can be easily replicated or misconstrued for the original that isn't your own work?

Are you knowingly using a medium to steal from sales of the official property?

Do you claim to be a part of the official property?

No? Well then, without getting into the nitty-gritty, you're probably good to monetize your work however you like. That's what disturbs me about the YTers. If only they weren't worried about looking out for number one and just released on the day of the official release, they could literally be setting themselves up for chances with official affiliations.

Some of you might be quick to bring up the case of one YTer in particular doing a collaboration with a certain company. That was a very big mistake made by some people not in the know and I don't think that will be happening again.

Discussions at a location such as AP regarding material pre-release are not an issue because the discussion proper is not being widely spread, advertised or provided at a monetized source. It is largely a community of individuals who discuss the information in a location that isn't otherwise propagated or advertised. ie You don't see banners at sites reading 'COME TO APFORUMS AND DISCUSS SCANS!' If that was the case, the shade of gray turns quite dark. The biggest problem is publicly acknowledging or allowing links to scanned material which does happen here.

That doesn't instantly criminalize every poster here. It simply means that as an entity, certain individuals here regularly spread a means of accessing illegal material and, in a perfect world, those posts would not be allowed. The conversation about the material, however, is simply that: conversation. As long as those conversations aren't being advertised as a reason to come here & this location isn't monetized itself, it's not an issue.

However, if this was a monetized site, those conversations would more or less fall into the same category as YTers propagating pre-release material for-profit.

Now, my videos and why I don't use panels.

Shueisha does not allow the contents of their comics to be used in other mediums without a case-by-case analysis.

When you see a panel of a Shueisha manga on Japanese television, that panel/page received permission for use specifically from the editor, editorial department, and/or the rights department. I do not know the stance of American comics so I cannot speak about their use. However, any YouTube video from an unofficial account without official expressed permission from Shueisha to use that specific panel or page in a monetized video is using it illegally** I will not speak to the technicalities of using an altered image under 'Fair Use' but I have looked into the laws of 'Fair Use' that suggest the laws of the region of a product's origin are assumed to apply in other regions.

That's not to say I'm here waving a finger at each fanmade videos. But just because others are doing it and getting away with it because the country of origin simply isn't aware of it doesn't make it right.

If I were to create a monetized video with full panels from a Shueisha manga, I would be knowingly violating their policy and that is why I do not use their material.

phew

So yeah, none of this is intended to be lecturing from a high horse. You asked a question and these are the facts. Hope this helped!

Since I assume the beast pirates will be a zoan-zoo like the CP9 was, I wonder if the calamite named King will be a Lion-Zoan. Queen would then make a cool (Sabretooth-)Tiger-Zoan. Or do you think the Lion-theme is sth. "Sunny-exclusive"?

I posted my thoughts on this on Twitter some time ago but I suggested King = Drake (T-Rex) Queen = sabertooth tiger and Jack = mammoth for an ancient beast team.

[FolhaS]

@Greg:

phew

So yeah, none of this is intended to be lecturing from a high horse. You asked a question and these are the facts. Hope this helped!

Worry not, it didn't seem like you were talking from a high horse.
I felt that asking you directly would give the best answer in this case since you're also part of the official channels but I wasn't expecting such a long answer so thank you for the time you spent on it.

The yt channel I mentioned actually talked about a manga for the first time a little ago. They used 2 or 3 pages of Viz's version of Doctor Slump to talk about visual expression exageration. Would Viz be the ones to hold the right to allow such use in this case, since they hold some license from Sueisha, or is Sueisha the only one to have such saying despite the language/country the work is presented?

And wouldn't it be easy for you to get such permission for your vids, since you work with Jump's editorial department?
Or do they prefer to save those kind of tidbits and trivia for official releases, like perhaps guidebooks or such?

[Greg]

Not as easy one one might think.

Essentially, using the images would make my channel official which it is not.

Making it official would mean subjecting everything I upload to an approval process.

This may very well one day happen for Japanese YouTubers like Takashi but currently it would be terribly difficult to put into place with the amount of approval it would require.

Take for instance my columns on One Piece's homepage.

They might appear to be off-the-cuff samplings that I write on a whim but every column is seen by no less than 6 pairs of eyes before being approved.

Any videos using official material must be subjected to the same level of scrutiny to protect the property.

So while I can ask to use the manga, the answer would likely be, "Sorry, but we can't that much time or resources to it."

Interestingly enough, this was also true when we filmed the One Piece Podcast Goes to Japan. For all of the access we received, we were given strict instruction NOT to include One Piece manga scenes. Naturally some may be seen on promotional material or in the backgrounds, but those are negligible.

[Long John Silvers Rayleigh]

So non monetized use off highlighting instances of moments of one piece to prove a point on literary themes using the official images from viz / shueisha would be fine?

[Greg]

@Long:

So non monetized use off highlighting instances of moments of one piece to prove a point on literary themes using the official images from viz / shueisha would be fine?

It's not 'fine'. They can probably still complain. However, I don't think you'd find yourself in direct violation of any of YouTube's terms. Naturally if the property holders wanted to they could request a video to be removed….which they might do. But I mean...I find it hard to believe such a video wouldn't be considered for an appeal if the images weren't high-quality. Basically the same as Twitter. You're not supposed to share the images, period. That's what's on the books. LUCKILY, there's a certain understanding of what's abusing replicating their images and what's being human ^_^

[Roronoa Zacho]

@joesephes:

Wow, that actually looks great! I think this fits kaido pretty well! ;) As a hybrid form, I also guess this'd work pretty well. I'm afraid that a full-animal-form of an eastern Dragon wouldn't resemble Kaidou's Body anymore. Just look at Dragon Momo and human Momo. They share nothing optically.
On the other Hand, Kaidou has a lot of facial traits and a tattoo that can be recognized even in his full eastern Dragon form (beard, mustache, eyebrows).

@Greg:

(…) I posted my thoughts on this on Twitter some time ago but I suggested King = Drake (T-Rex) Queen = sabertooth tiger and Jack = mammoth for an ancient beast team.

Sorry, I hardly use or follow anyone on twitter at all. All those Connections between TYRANNosaurus REX and KING indicates that Drake could be King. But I can't imagine he climbed up the ranks above Jack (if we assume Jack is the "weakest" or the one with the lowest bounty of the calamites). Without further info, I'd say rankwise Drake is between Jack and Sheepshead, but way closer to Jack. Though Kaidou must have welcomed Drake in his Crew for his ancient zoan ability.

If I'd do a "fanimation", where I'd use Moria and/or Mihawk in a OP-parody, just drawing and animating all by myself without using any official stuff from the manga or Anime, would that be OK, if it is non-Profit? There is a lot of drawn fanart out there, but animated stuff is rare.

[Razh]

@Greg:

I posted my thoughts on this on Twitter some time ago but I suggested King = Drake (T-Rex) Queen = sabertooth tiger and Jack = mammoth for an ancient beast team.

Not too long ago I discussed it with one of the users here, and they brought the fact X Drake, read as Diez Drake probably points to him being a tier below the calamities. X is 10 in roman numerals, and diez is 10 in Spanish. 10 is right below Jack. I can't remember who it was, but the evidence is rather compelling.

Especially if Drake is set up to turn against Kaido. Losing one of the Calamities would be too big of a blow. And this way, there would be plenty of boss figures to go around.

[ArmamentHero]

Hey Greg, just wanted to let you know I got my subscription back. I had been dealing with Heart and Liver problems in the last year and a half, so I had to focus more about life and such. Since I now have the chance to support Oda(One Piece) and other SJ series, then I'm glad to help.