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At least going by Z, there should be two Supreme Kai chilling in Other World that got killed by Boo. Can we get them instead?
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Pilaf is that dick that keeps sneaking into the breakroom and stealing other people's Cokes out of the fridge.
At least going by Z, there should be two Supreme Kai chilling in Other World that got killed by Boo. Can we get them instead?
They're not in the Other World; they're in Limbo with Launch and the vast majority of the Earth's animal people.
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Yamcha's the guy who's been working as the janitor for 40 years.
And the lamb lies down on Broadway
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Yamcha's the guy who's been working as the janitor for 40 years.
He does get to run the company baseball team though.
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Yamcha's the best damn pitcher this accounting firm has and East City isn't allowed to forget it
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DBZ Rewatch episodes 38-47.
This is the first time I forwarded through some episodes. I remembered the Fake Namek stuff being only an episode or two, but it was almost 4 and it wasn't smart type of filler either, like some of the stuff for the Saiyan arc. The filler episodes with the kids at least set up Freeza. Chichi's overprotectiveness is also turned up to 11. Of course people dislike her character so much if Toei only makes it worse. It was more justified this time around because Goku kept getting up and training and Gohan was going off to space, though.
I've seen Vegeta being played up as a victim occassionally, but he really wasn't. He wanted immortality and to take over Freeza, not stop him.
Freeza is an iconic villain for a reason. Half of the reason why I like the Namek arc is because of how easily hateable he is. That finger attack of his was genuinely very intimidating for a large portion of the arc and when it finally doesn't hurt Goku when he's turned Super Saiyan, it's really rewarding. It's really the contrast between his cruelty and politeness that makes him as a villain.
Also, now it's time for Goku to gain Super Saiyan through only 6 days of training! It's okay, though, it works in the narrative sense and the story does try it's best for it to feel legitimate by adding the gravity training into the mix. The logic of hard work paying off is still in place, at least.
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How many times did someone tell goku to not let his guard down this episode? lol
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Cant wait for the Doujins.
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That was a great-looking episode. I love the further joke with the magical girls. Ribrianne literally did the speech and 17 just went along with it. I really like Susie's fighting style, too. As for the Gohan stuff, Botamo being knocked off was a little odd. I get that Gohan was using Botamo's confidence (and weight) against him - using the kamehameha to knock him off, but how did it float him?The other fight was good strategy, though and the scene with the locket was the best one in terms of just "showing". It's actually a nice gradual build-up with the consequences slowly sinking in each time a universe gets destroyed.
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Obuni was just like Gohan.
RIP to the coolest guy in Team U10.
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Yeah, I saw people point that out. Goku essentially could've ringed Botamo out by doing what he did more methodically.
I'm more and more curious what the endgame here will be. It's obviously a gradual build to pissing Gohan/Goku/the mortals in general off. Could be really well done if pulled off well and again, it does remind me of the Saiyan Saga. Every arc has that element, but the fights right now really do remind me of the Saibaman fights. They're not huge moments, but it gives a little spotlight to basically every character.
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I really care more for the upcoming endgame.
And one thing that really bothers me: How big is this arena supposed to be? Seriously, this is even more ridiculous than Captain Tsubasa running and running and running and running to the goal…
I mean if they were going for these kind of episodes (where anyone loses track of anyone else so easily), couldn't the deities/the writers just make a bigger arena like a planet? As it is here, it just feels ridiculous that no one else from U6 came to Botamo's help like Hit or Magetta.
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I really care more for the upcoming endgame.
And one thing that really bothers me: How big is this arena supposed to be? Seriously, this is even more ridiculous than Captain Tsubasa running and running and running and running to the goal…
I mean if they were going for these kind of episodes (where anyone loses track of anyone else so easily), couldn't the deities/the writers just make a bigger arena like a planet? As it is here, it just feels ridiculous that no one else from U6 came to Botamo's help like Hit or Magetta.
They were probably fighting someone else.
Episode was nice, the second jobber universe is gone I wonder when more U6 and U7 people start getting eliminated, they have a lot more people than the others.
This Angel was actually bummed her universe was gone, I still think the Priest is evil, but maybe the Angels aren't all on his side(which I was also expecting).
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I really care more for the upcoming endgame.
And one thing that really bothers me: How big is this arena supposed to be? Seriously, this is even more ridiculous than Captain Tsubasa running and running and running and running to the goal…
I mean if they were going for these kind of episodes (where anyone loses track of anyone else so easily), couldn't the deities/the writers just make a bigger arena like a planet? As it is here, it just feels ridiculous that no one else from U6 came to Botamo's help like Hit or Magetta.
Yep, glad I wasnt the only one who noticed about the Captain Tsubasa soccer field.
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That kind of thing is just something you have to roll with in tournament arcs (including everyone on the sidelines having super vision and hearing). Not as bad though as one anime I remember watching years ago where it took a guy like seven minutes to run across a small bedroom thanks to an ill-timed exposition dump.
Obuni was cool, they should've built him up as the Universe 10 leader instead of that other guy. So, Super Saiyan God returns next week huh. Let's see that hoops they jump through to explain this one. I do think it looks cooler visually than Blue, but I'm pretty sure that mushroom cloud wasn't Guam, it was Kanzenshuu.
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So, Super Saiyan God returns next week huh. Let's see that hoops they jump through to explain this one. I do think it looks cooler visually than Blue, but I'm pretty sure that mushroom cloud wasn't Guam, it was Kanzenshuu.
Blue is all about ki control and can range in power anywhere from base up to… I dunno, SS3.
SSG is about pure power.
Blue is just a technique, God is an actual (slimming down) transformation.
Not that they've ever adequately explained this, but it's basically the explanation. And why Goku can use Blue against Krillin and not kill him instantly. And why he can use Kaio-Ken during it without exploding.
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Just spell out the specifics in-story already - weaknesses, strengths, power limit. That's all it needs.
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I think the most intriguing part of the episode is the different reaction the angel had to the disappearance of universe 10.
Is Gohan showing some kind of hesitation? I just realized there are some namekians in Universe 6.
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Great episode. 17 continues to be a riot, and Gohan and Piccolo getting a few licks in was nice to see as well.
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I thought Gohan would let him live, because it wasn't that necessary to take him out. U7 had 9 fighters in the ring. U10 just Obuni. If he survises till the end he is maybe able to save his family and his universe.
Don't tell me a truce is a bad habit if your whole universe is at stake.
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I find ironic how Super has a more childish and carefree tone than Z but we have whole universes being erased without a second thought. This is Thanos' levels of cosmic madness and all the reaction we see is Gohan not feeling quite confortable with it. Even the guys who are going to be erased from existence along all their families and friends are "well, whatever, we lost"
Toriko got a lot of shit for something very similar to this, back in the day.
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Blue is all about ki control and can range in power anywhere from base up to… I dunno, SS3.
SSG is about pure power.
Blue is just a technique, God is an actual (slimming down) transformation.
Not that they've ever adequately explained this, but it's basically the explanation. And why Goku can use Blue against Krillin and not kill him instantly. And why he can use Kaio-Ken during it without exploding.
Blue is more powerful than God. It's certainly far stronger than SSJ3.
The manga confirms it in the U6 and Black arcs, and Whis said in Resurrection F that if Goku and Vegeta attacked Beerus together with Blue they could fight on par with him. God was no match for Beerus.
I thought Gohan would let him live, because it wasn't that necessary to take him out. U7 had 9 fighters in the ring. U10 just Obuni. If he survises till the end he is maybe able to save his family and his universe.
Don't tell me a truce is a bad habit if your whole universe is at stake.
Only the team with the most fighters remaining in the ring at the end of 48 minutes gets to avoid erasure. It would have been incredibly foolish to spare him. His universe at that point had an infintismal chance of winning and showing him compassion very well could have bit him in ass the had he gone on to eliminate some of Gohan's teammates.
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tbh I don't even know if the manga and anime are even congruent in how they use SSG vs SSB seeing as during the fight against Zamasu, they power down to SSG to conserve Ki when that never seemed to be an issue originally with SSB
So as far as this God Ki stuff goes, my thoughts are ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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tbh I don't even know if the manga and anime are even congruent in how they use SSG vs SSB seeing as during the fight against Zamasu, they power down to SSG to conserve Ki when that never seemed to be an issue originally with SSB
So as far as this God Ki stuff goes, my thoughts are ¯_(ツ)_/¯
When Goku used SSJB to break free from Nink's bearhug Whis said that he didn't break free sooner because SSJB is a huge stamina drain. The manga is more clear about it, but the SSJB is taxing in both the manga and anime.
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Fuck Goku.
I enjoy U2 antics and them working together.
C-17 continue to be one of the highlight of U7(I hope for some Freezer next). I really like how he just went along with Brianne bit. And unlike Goku he also manage to be effective while having fun. This include of course having tonce again save Goku. That idiot keeps getting in dangerous situation, not turning simple super saiyen and having to get saved. But be sure when he his facing facing someone much weaker than him and clearly dominating tthis is the time he'll chose to turn ssjb. The dumbass couldn't even get the girl out.
Gohan's U10 opponent was interesting. Simple yet effective. Stuff like this or the blind girl are the kind of things I was looking forward to for this tournament. Not just blatant power level. In that aspect Champa's competition did a much better job.
It's still weird seeing how easy it is to walk in that stage.
I also like Gohan moment after elimating the last member of U10. He clearly doesn't like that it had to come to this but he knows he has to keep going no matter what.
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@ reactions to erasure being not dramatic enough. DB in general has been pretty basic with that. Goku seemed to be pretty fine when he finally learned he killed his grandpa and he seemed pretty okay for being a kid living in the wilderness alone. Sure, he's a Saiyan and all, but that's pretty casual. Vegeta could just start living with them, too. It goes into these elements in very basic terms. You could see it as a problem and I think many do, but at the same time how much would you want the story to dwell on it? It's also kind of just not that type of story.
Add to that, we, as the audience, don't know U9 and U10 so well, the contestants can't really do much and this takes place across minutes. At this point it seems like it's meant to be a gradual build-up to the consequences sinking in. I mean, you could expect more out of it, of course, too, but it's just not how DB is. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
One of my crazy crack theories for the arc is that Goku finally remembers killing his grandpa and unlocks his memories somehow/it all ends with him turning into God Oozaru form somehow and he kills someone that he cares about, which sticks with him and humbles him. But that's a little too dark and doesn't have the necessary plot elements, like his tail or a moon. The fact that it was mentioned that DBS is aiming for the original DB ending also makes me doubt any real growth for Goku, but depends on execution and whether they do ultimately stick with the original ending. Anything can change.
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I thought Gohan would let him live, because it wasn't that necessary to take him out. U7 had 9 fighters in the ring. U10 just Obuni. If he survises till the end he is maybe able to save his family and his universe.
Don't tell me a truce is a bad habit if your whole universe is at stake.
For Obuni to stay alive at the end it would mean that U7 (along with all the others) lost, meaning Pan, Videl, Goku, Chi Chi, Goten, Piccolo, everyone Gohan knows and love would be erased from existence.
Gohan is fighting for his Universe to remain, meaning the others to be erased, meaning everyone else to die. It would be pointless (and risky) to spare an enemy even if that's what others like Goku are doing.
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Only the team with the most fighters remaining in the ring at the end of 48 minutes gets to avoid erasure. It would have been incredibly foolish to spare him. His universe at that point had an infintismal chance of winning and showing him compassion very well could have bit him in ass the had he gone on to eliminate some of Gohan's teammates.
Not to mention that training to take things seriously and not let his guard down no matter what is specifically what Piccolo did with Gohan just yesterday from his perspective.
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I guess my main problem with this arc basically is the same as in Dressrosa. There are just too many people involved and the writer(s) for the most time just don't know what to do with them. I mean just look at Perucho's chart, does it really feel right that most of the other universes are only bystanders for the most time? Does it really feel organic that in a battle royal like this only one thing happens at a time?
There are other fights simultaneous as well? Then show, don't tell!
Like neither Hit nor Magetta even reacted at the slightest when Gohan and Botamo fought. I actually thought Hit would save him with some timeskip shenanigans, but nope…
Or Vegeta and Frieza barely doing anything. Like when Kale went berserk, I expected Frieza to also catch some dudes off-guard. But instead he did nothing during that time? There just is so much wasted potential. Also they could display some form of Legolas/Gimli relationship, only more hateful, but did Vegeta and Frieza even interact in some way during the tournament? If so, it was just too forgetable.
Hopefully we don't have to sit through 37 other minutes of Namek and instead some more interesting stuff finally starts...
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Yeah, that's the problem I predicted when this format was announced. Sure we'd have a LOT of 1 vs. 1 if this was a regular tournament, but that's when you just skip over the mundane ones.
At the very least, the arena should've been more dynamic. Imagine each team starting off in a "base", and making their way throughout….OR
do what Teen Titans did and change the arena with each battle.
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For Obuni to stay alive at the end it would mean that U7 (along with all the others) lost, meaning Pan, Videl, Goku, Chi Chi, Goten, Piccolo, everyone Gohan knows and love would be erased from existence.
Gohan is fighting for his Universe to remain, meaning the others to be erased, meaning everyone else to die. It would be pointless (and risky) to spare an enemy even if that's what others like Goku are doing.Um, no. The universe with the most participants in the end wins. I doubt he would fool any Saiyan again. But the intention to preserve life could spark some mercy on the O-Zen-samas?
They even had to be reminded of this tournament through Goku. I guess fun is important here and not just the necessity to kill off universes. Which is fucked up.I take the argument about Gohan not letting his guard down, though. This was THE important issue during the whole preparation. It's just sad that, of all the people, Gohan was written to do the deed.
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The Case of Being Reincarnated as Yamcha has a quaint little ending in the thirty-seven paged Chapter #3.
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Um, no. The universe with the most participants in the end wins. I doubt he would fool any Saiyan again. But the intention to preserve life could spark some mercy on the O-Zen-samas? They even had to be reminded of this tournament through Goku. I guess fun is important here and not just the necessity to kill off universes. Which is fucked up.I take the argument about Gohan not letting his guard down, though. This was THE important issue during the whole preparation. It's just sad that, of all the people, Gohan was written to do the deed.
It's sad, but that's the whole point the story is making, isn't it? They're using the "slowly sinking in to the characters and audience" method, which makes the most sense for this setup. At the same time, while there was some bargaining in the exhibition match, why not have somebody just straight-up call out Zeno? I imagine it'll happen at some point considering the style of setup and be unsuccessful, but spelling it out more clearly that there really is no bargaining here would be nice.
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A guess/prediction here. They have been saying that dragonball super would start going in a way to line up with the Z ending, but there is a problem with that concept. Specifically it guarantees that universe 7 and all the fighters their from have to survive the tournament. Kinda takes the wind out of the sales as far as the live or die nature of this tournament. While as far as I remember the Z ending could still happen with the current story (minus a few chronological changes), I can't help but wonder if the end of the tournament will be Goku wishing for everything to be undone. The high priest/zeno would respond that the only way to do so would be to rewind time before all of the super story began. This would stop Zeno from holding the tournament.
Thematically it clears up quite a bit and as far as rewinding time, well we already know the concept exists.
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As if there was ever an outcome where U7 didn't win, lol.
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Wasn't just that U7 wins. It pre determines that nothing that occurs in the tournament should permanently negatively affect the main characters.
Life flows on. I'd just go with it, if I were me.
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Wasn't just that U7 wins. It pre determines that nothing that occurs in the tournament should permanently negatively affect the main characters.
That's hardly surprising, considering how little Toriyama cares for drama. I suspect the worse that will happen is that Freeza will be brought back to life for good.
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Wasn't just that U7 wins. It pre determines that nothing that occurs in the tournament should permanently negatively affect the main characters.
We've known since Super was announced that the end of Z was still cannon. There was nothing to suggest it wasn't. The timeline has matched up, Pan and Bra's births have occurred. Knowing a character will live longer than the stories being told isn't necessarily a bad thing, nor does it detract from tension. Shit can go south, but as long as Dragon Balls exist there is always a fix.
I mean Justice League was still a great show even though we knew Bruce Wayne would grow old from Batman Beyond. Didn't make it any less enjoyable.
Only thing I can really see them retconning out of Z's ending is Bulma's line about not having seen Goku in 4 or 5 years. Assuming the show is gonna keep progressing in the timeline the way it has, we could easily get to the end of Z. And really anything past this point in time is invalidating Bulma's claim.
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Wasn't just that U7 wins. It pre determines that nothing that occurs in the tournament should permanently negatively affect the main characters.
They have a shitload of dragon balls. I doubt lasting consequences was ever an option. The question was always how do they pull out a win not what characters is going to die or get crippled.
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We've known since Super was announced that the end of Z was still cannon. There was nothing to suggest it wasn't. The timeline has matched up, Pan and Bra's births have occurred. Knowing a character will live longer than the stories being told isn't necessarily a bad thing, nor does it detract from tension. Shit can go south, but as long as Dragon Balls exist there is always a fix.
I mean Justice League was still a great show even though we knew Bruce Wayne would grow old from Batman Beyond. Didn't make it any less enjoyable.
Only thing I can really see them retconning out of Z's ending is Bulma's line about not having seen Goku in 4 or 5 years. Assuming the show is gonna keep progressing in the timeline the way it has, we could easily get to the end of Z. And really anything past this point in time is invalidating Bulma's claim.
Justice League shows and in general anything DC can't count towards proof that knowing the future lessens the affect, there are too many alternate universes in DC.
As for Dragonball itself, well if you know that only one universe can win and it all but has to be U7 for things to play out right, then yes it does make it less exciting. Mind you I accept that such an opinion may be solely my own.
Life flows on. I'd just go with it, if I were me.
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Justice League shows and in general anything DC can't count towards proof that knowing the future lessens the affect, there are too many alternate universes in DC.
As for Dragonball itself, well if you know that only one universe can win and it all but has to be U7 for things to play out right, then yes it does make it less exciting. Mind you I accept that such an opinion may be solely my own.
No, it's literally exactly the same as Dragonball.
Beyond and JL were apart of the DCAU. It very explicitly shown that Beyond was the future of the Batman TAS timeline, and Justice League was explicitly tied into it as well. Just as Super has here.
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No, it's literally exactly the same as Dragonball.
Beyond and JL were apart of the DCAU. It very explicitly shown that Beyond was the future of the Batman TAS timeline, and Justice League was explicitly tied into it as well. Just as Super has here.
I fear we are going to get off topic, but I will delve into it. In the episode The Once and Future Thing, Part 2 of Justice League they actually touch on that very subject. Batman meets his older self and someone says that because they older self is there, then they must win because Batman survives. The older self says that he has no memory of going to the future.
Makes sense to say that, the writers needed to take out the guaranteed win scenario to make the tension the right level. Dragonball super telling you that U7 is all but guaranteed to win really undercuts the tension of several things. Kale goes berserk: No big deal, someone will stop her. Goku about to get thrown out of the ring: No big deal he will get back in. Someone supposedly more powerful than a God of Destruction: Welp doesn't really matter, he is going to lose somehow. When you know the future has to happen the present drama has far less impact.
I'm not trying to say that Super is not worth watching knowing this. It is certainly entertaining to see all of the characters power up and punch everything in sight. Honestly that is half of what I watch Dragonball for, but any show that has a guaranteed future really shoots itself in the foot story telling wise.
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It blows my mind that there's a whole group of people that thinks GT is better than Super. Like I understand that Super is mediocre and the animation is for the most part pretty bad, but GT is a series of great ideas executed as poorly as they possibly could, a complete failure. Super is just okay ideas exexuted okay. The mostly okay is still superior to the mostly failure. The Super Manga is better than both but that's a whole other conversation.
The episode with Krillin training with Goku before the Tournament alone is better than anything that came out of GT.
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The Super Manga is better than both but that's a whole other conversation.
Judging by the recent criticism in this thread it's starting to circle the drain.
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I dropped Super after less than 10 episodes, but it managed to pull me back 2 years later and now I am more into DB than I was as a teenager.
I dropped GT also after less than 10 episodes, at some point tried to go back and was thrown away in disgust.So that's where I stand in this matter.
Instead of focusing on disagreements, though, everyone everyone should just agree that Abridge is better than both (even though Cell arc is seriously underwhelming compared to the previous content).
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Super is basically DBZ post-angst, so I watch it with the appropriate mindset and generally have a fun time. Dragon Ball's never been something you're supposed to dissect at an academic level.
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