Chapter 850: Ray of Hope

Maju

I think she willingly lead them to whole cake because she knows that Luffy is no weakling push over fighter, and that it'll likely take one of their commanders (Cracker) to take him out. Which would have been easier done at the center of the Archipelago, than on one of the miniature islands.

but if they are following the route she made,why don't just intercept them along that route with a couple of warships and sink the sunny? no need to fight luffy…hell, just SEND cracker ,or even cracker AND smoothie against him at the lead of the fleet while you are at it..no reason to let the enemy reach that deep in your territory if you can avoid it.

Black Leg

Oh man if Sanji ends up saving the family that have been using him as a pawn all along that might be even more satisfying than him simply kicking their ass. Next year better be the year of Mr Prince!

Michel_nunes

@Maju:

when she was talking to tamago while brook and pedro were spying them.

nobody but members of totland and tamago around,and they didn't knew brook and pedro were there otherwise they would have arrested them on the spot,no sense in letting them go, and she still was the usual pudding.

also we hd a peek inside her freaking mind when she was thinking about lola and look all sad…why was she sad,ALONE, if everything was just a ruse? why even think of lol in that scenario?
everything seemed to be there to convince us that pudding was genuine..but doesn't make sense if you read it after you know the truth

that scene with her thinking about lola i still don't know what was the actual purpose of that scene to be honest lol, i don't know if it is something that Oda will bring up later or he just put that to play with the readers

but her scene with tamago was very short though, we barely saw their conversation and it was in a open field, i think it is safe to assume that she just show her personality in front of her family and her family only, in a safe place

Dr. Faust

One Piece never fails to amaze. What a chapter!

But there're sure some questions still unanswered. The spoiler said only Big Mom knows Pudding's true nature, i assume mangastream just screwed up with "only my family members", otherwise i don't know what to make of the scene with Tamago where she was anxious to get away. And otherwise, if only Big Mom really knows her why did she behave like that in front of Opera one day before the marriage?
This scene is happening before or after Reiju's scene in last chapter? If it's happening before how did she get away? Pudding would have no reason to let her escape and tell everything to the Vinsmoke, so either Sanji intervene in the next chapter or the scene in the last one was a sort of "Pudding chasing, somehow, Reiju".
Why did Pudding told everything to Luffy and Nami? to what practical purpose excluding pure sadistic satisfaction?

-edit Even the flashback with Lola escaping to search her freedom makes little sense if all we've seen in this chapter is true.

I think we should still wait some chapters and get some confirmations before we jump immediatly to conclusions, chances are she's really some crazy evil girl, but until Big Mom herself confirms it i'll still have some doubts.

Kaptayn

@TheStoner:

I think there is a mistranslation. In the chapter it says only her family knows of her true personality. In the spoilers it said only Big Mom knows her true personality. Could be that she was acting for her siblings.

Yes, that would make sense. The translation wasn't great this week. What was with all these swear wordq?–So much things are going on in this arc. Certainly the one with the most sub-plots.--- Update From New Post Merge ---Could it be that Pudding, just like BM, has two split personnalities (instead of being evil from the start)?

Maju

@Michel_nunes:

that scene with her thinking about lola i still don't know what was the actual purpose of that scene to be honest, i don't know if it is something that Oda will bring up later or he just put that to play with the readers

but her scene with tamago was very short though, we barely saw their conversation and it was in a open field, i think it is safe to assume that she just show her personality in front of her family and her family only, in a safe place

still,why tell tamago she needs to be somewhere else if she didn't have any intention to in the first place since she was never sincere about that?

those are the moment that made me think that pudding was sincere,bcause they wouldn't have made sense otherwise…and they still don't make sense after the reveal..so it's either there's something we don't know (as i said,split personality or something), or oda played a cheap surprise without worrying if it made sense in the end.

Baldulf

I dont see why the drama. The Vinsmoke are a bunch of bastards, if they get killed Sanji wont have to fear about them going against Red Leg.

He just has to help Luffy and maybe his sister and get the hell out of Mama's territory.

oikgerd

So, Tamago.. he's literally egg? Devil fruit? Or Homies?

firelord111

@Baldulf:

I dont why the drama. The Vinsmoke are a bunch of bastards, if they get killed Sanji wont have to fear about them going against Red Leg.

He just has to help Luffy and maybe his sister and get the hell out of Mama's territory.

it is bigmom who is said to be the one that will kill zeff

Maju

@Baldulf:

I dont see why the drama. The Vinsmoke are a bunch of bastards, if they get killed Sanji wont have to fear about them going against Red Leg.

He just has to help Luffy and maybe his sister and get the hell out of Mama's territory.

technically he still can't do shit,not openly
the zeff threat is still there,even without the wedding

Baldulf

@firelord111:

it is bigmom who is saidto be the one that will kill zeff

I remembered wrong then, I thought it was Sanji's father who threated him.

The Laughing Man

Also, at the very least, Sanji probably cares for Reiju. He won't let her die (or at least try not to), you can bet on that.

firelord111

@Baldulf:

I remembered wrong then, I thought it was Sanji's father who threated him.

judge threatend him but it was bigmom who known this in first place and gave it to judge and pekoms said to strawhats in zou that zeff or any other person important for sanji will be killed

Dr. Faust

@Baldulf:

I dont why the drama. The Vinsmoke are a bunch of bastards, if they get killed Sanji wont have to fear about them going against Red Leg.

He just has to help Luffy and maybe his sister and get the hell out of Mama's territory.

The problem is that the Vinsmoke have been built as villains until now, that's why i really don't know what to make of this chapter. But even if all of this is true, no one of them is going to get killed, there is no purpose storywise for that. If Big Mom is really planning on killing them all then i think it would be much more awesome if Sanji would end up saving them all, think how humiliating and defeating it would be for them, especially for Judge.

HTC

@Dr.:

One Piece never fails to amaze. What a chapter!

But there're sure some questions still unanswered. The spoiler said only Big Mom knows Pudding's true nature, i assume mangastream just screwed up with "only my family members", otherwise i don't know what to make of the scene with Tamago where she was anxious to get away. And otherwise, if only Big Mom really knows her why did she behave like that in front of Opera one day before the marriage?
This scene is happening before or after Reiju's scene in last chapter? If it's happening before how did she get away? Pudding would have no reason to let her escape and tell everything to the Vinsmoke, so either Sanji intervene in the next chapter or the scene in the last one was a sort of "Pudding chasing, somehow, Reiju".
Why did Pudding told everything to Luffy and Nami? to what practical purpose excluding pure sadistic satisfaction?

-edit Even the flashback with Lola escaping to search her freedom makes little sense if all we've seen in this chapter is true.

I think we should still wait some chapters and get some confirmations before we jump immediatly to conclusions, chances are she's really some crazy evil girl, but until Big Mom herself confirms it i'll still have some doubts.

The way i interpreted it was that family members know of her real personality but the other inhabitants of Whole Cake Island do not.

Luis20

Great chapter. Really liking Pedro's and Tamago's battle. Hope Tamago isn't finished yet.

Isn't there a possibility we get chapter 851 on January's 30/31?

Maju

@Baldulf:

I remembered wrong then, I thought it was Sanji's father who threated him.

well..both have,.
but it's big mom that was gonna carry the assassination in the first place,so she still can threat sanji if he decides to act openly

Kasouya

That last panel where Sanji plunge into the abyss of despair. that IS the year of Sanji for me.

Kudos to everyone who called it. (pudding evil)

sigh…..............................

firelord111

So atleast she didnt kill herself

Baldulf

@Maju:

well..both have,.
but it's big mom that was gonna carry the assassination in the first place,so she still can threat sanji if he decides to act openly

But once Mom has the cloning facility I dont think she'll ever care about Sanji anymore, he would be free to go. The marriage was a fraud from the start so Sanji has no longer a purpose for her plans.

Better Than Kanjuro

I was ready for evil Pudding, but Big Mom killing all the Germa…Wow! The apple didn't dropped far from the Tree. Also the split personality thing doesn't make any sense imo...

pariston_hill

So Tamago was really an egg spilling all that yolk and all.
And Zepo is totally related to Bepo.
Pedro was badass, both in the flashback and now.
I wonder what all the minks seem to implying with the dawn of a new age?

KageKageKing

Am I the only one who noticed Pedro spinning his tails to fly like Tails?

Maju

@Better:

I was ready for evil Pudding, but Big Mom killing all the Germa…Wow! The apple didn't dropped far from the Tree. Also the split personality thing doesn't make any sense imo...

spit personality is really the only way oda has to make some of the previous parts of the story make sense.
it's either that, or I thought he was a much better writer than he is in reality…but i'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt

Kishido

Sanji is embarrassing and I said all in the spoiler thread.

But I don't get Reiju. Last chapter we have seen her injured and now she is sitting in Puddings room just fine… or was this a flashback as well

Strooger

I wasn't expecting a chapter this late in the year. And to be perfectly honest, I wasn't expecting an evil Pudding reveal at this point either. I suspect Oda knew all along that most people would think Pudding was evil, so he dragged out the reveal as far as he could to really subvert people's expectations. He certainly did with me anyway. Alright, so the BM pirates will kill the Vinsmokes. I really wonder why Pudding shares this plan with one of them.

Better Than Kanjuro

@Kishido:

Sanji is embarrassing and I said all in the spoiler thread.

But I don't get Reiju. Last chapter we have seen her injured and now she is sitting in Puddings room just fine… or was this a flashback as well

If I have to guestimate… I'd say the she escaped from Pudding and then she got captured again

Nubtro

Awesome!!!

I was in the "Pudding is pure" camp, but she even got Luffy, who has a great track record of seeing through people´s motives.

Well played. I´m loving this development.

Time to kick some serious ass, Sanji.

Kishido

@Better:

If I have to guestimate… I'd say the she escaped from Pudding and then she got captured again

Be why should Pudding tell her everything or did Reiju have witnessed it somehow

Better Than Kanjuro

Reiju have witnessed it seems more like it.

Also I can't wait for some Mr. Prince/007 action from Sanji in the coming chapters..! It seems that we're finally going to get it!

Mastello

oH SNAP

Oda you bastard, you just torpedoed my ship :<

This arc just got DARK. It's not really a bad thing (even if it killed my hopes and dreams), I'm just annoyed at the pessimist cynics who saw this coming :P

Dr. Faust

How the hell is this arc gonna end? This is already my favourite arc of the New World, and there's so much material to still wrap up that even if Wano will start at the end of 2017 i fear the pacing will be inevitably a bit rushed.

@KageKageKing:

Am I the only one who noticed Pedro spinning his tails to fly like Tails?

That was a badass move!

pRopaaNS

So this was the year of Sanji. I expected him to get himself in spotlight for badass he is, but turns out it was his year in terms of torture and weakness. Yet it isn't over yet, so I still hope that he mans up and redeems his strengths.

MarcelloF

@Kishido:

Sanji is embarrassing and I said all in the spoiler thread.

But I don't get Reiju. Last chapter we have seen her injured and now she is sitting in Puddings room just fine… or was this a flashback as well

Do you not see all the blood?

Kishido

@MarcelloF:

Do you not see all the blood?

Now I see it still I hope we will see what happened

uniaka ikuzakas

Next chapter, sanji puts his glasses on.

I want pudding to be his match this arc, but I'm sure oda will make nami or reiju defeat pudding.

He won't fight smooothie either so… maybe potato starch.

And give that f**** pudding the oscar already, best actress I saw all year.

The Laughing Man

I knew something was up with Pudding, with Oda keeping her third-eye hidden and shit. Something was up with her, though I wasn't in either camp to be honest; be it the Good Pudding or Bad Pudding camp, I was smack dab in the middle.

andy

Pudding was playing them but signs were all there .
When she did not show up to meet them that was a huge red flag about her.

Dr. Faust

Pudding still hasn't got her introduction box anyway.

uniaka ikuzakas

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LightningAce

Bounties have been fixed. 382 Million, very impressive bounty. I really hope he ends up joining the SH's. Him and Jinbei joining would add some massive firepower to their crew

Maju

@uniaka:

Next chapter, sanji puts his glasses on.

I want pudding to be his match this arc, but I'm sure oda will make nami or reiju defeat pudding.

He won't fight smooothie either so… maybe potato starch.

And give that f**** pudding the oscar already, best actress I saw all year.

making sanji fight a woman would ruin his character,since he didn't act even when robin life was on the line.
after that, the live of a fellow strawhats is not enough of a reason anymore

Seafarer33

Heh, what a chapter. I wonder if Tamago is out for good or if he will turn out to be another Cracker-like shell (see what I did there ? ).

The Pudding reveal wasn't entirely unexpected, but is still a nice plot twist. We should really have seen it coming, though: between Mama's mention of a "sacrifice" wedding, the fact that many of her siblings are psycho loonies (how could such an environment breed a pure white duckling ?), the "safe road to WCI" trap… Heh. The bigger the lie, the more we readers buy it I guess ?
Not all of it makes sense, tough. For starters unless we learn later on that she is the third Sweet Commander, I'll have a hard time believing that frail little Pudding was able to subdue Reju on her own when the later has been hyped as a genetically-enhanced top-notch assassin all along.

Still, I'd be curious to hear how this fits in CountMario's view on the rest of the arc

@pariston_hill:

I wonder what all the minks seem to implying with the dawn of a new age?

I would hazard a guess that they know a lot more than they let out on the Void Century and possibly what awaits at Raftel. Considering the Mnks were never a part of the World Government (and so were never exposed to propaganda/historical revisions), their ties with Wano - another non-affiliated country whose artisans created the poneglyphs - and everything about their hidden country - from Zunisha to the hidden road poneglyph… It stands to reason that they would at some point in history they would have had extensive knowledge, and the means to preserve it, be it through oral tradition.

All of this is likely linked as well to the Fishman island propechy, the arch Noah, Joyboy's promise, ... There is a very interesting theory floating out there about the nature of One Piece and so far all of the above fits in just nicely.

flea

Why is she telling Reiju??

Is she purposely opening that third eye at will? It has to be that slimey thing that controls and decides when the eye opens

And what the hell is it doing to Reiju?

Katzztar

On Tamago and if he's a homie = no.

Yes we did see what appears to be him cut in half and a "egg effect" is seen, but I'm guessing we are finally seeing that Tamago is a DF user. Its been a long time so many may have forgotten but Tamago had a intro box that identified him as the first member of the LongLeg Tribe in ch. 651.

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KageKageKing

Sanji is gonna wreck shit in the next chapters and everyone should apologize to him because of a 52 weeks event.

Katzztar

@flea:

Why is she telling Reiju??

Is she purposely opening that third eye at will? It has to be that slimey thing that controls and decides when the eye opens

And what the hell is it doing to Reiju?

Holding her captive. Fantasy genre has known for a long time that females are defenseless against slimes.

Seafarer33

Still, what a conclusion to the "Year of Sanji"
Kidnapped, abused, blackmailed, beaten, cut off from his friends, and now to top it off he's due for a Red Wedding. I'd feel sorry for him if I wasn't too busy laughing my head off

RealMazen

@lokilasher:

I think Mangastream went a little over the top with the swearing this week. I mean god damn man.

Right. I actually find it cringeworthy and disgusting that they're so adamant on inserting so much of it knowing full well it isn't in any of the character's personality to speak in such a manner. @pRopaaNS:

So this was the year of Sanji. I expected him to get himself in spotlight for badass he is,

I've had enough of seeing this, tbh. Y'all took this statement and ran with it. That's not what Oda meant nor is it what he described as "year of Sanji".

Honeyman

@Seafarer33:

Still, what a conclusion to the "Year of Sanji"
Kidnapped, abused, blackmailed, beaten, cut off from his friends, and now to top it off he's due for a Red Wedding. I'd feel sorry for him if I wasn't too busy laughing my head off

Yes the Red Wedding vibe is strong here. With the double-crossing going on, hopefully things escalate to the point of hopelessness and are then brought back from the brink (think fighting at and escaping from Enies Lobby or something).

That said, I'm curious if Pudding won't realise the error of her ways and become affiliated with the crew? It's not the first time an antagonist has converted to the Strawhats after all.