@Bigivel:
Simple put, you're saying that the theme and characterization of this chapter, and previous Germa 66 chapters, is about Normal Vs Special.
It is a major theme, and THE theme of the flashback in this chapter.
It plays into Sanji's general lack of belonging with his family that is the overall theme of the whole thing. Whether its his values versus their values, or his being a runt.
These are the themes of his conflict with them.
Something that it really isn't.
http://mangastream.com/r/one_piece/840/3683/13
And so it would make sense that Sanji defeats the family as Normal and shows them they are wrong in their ways and convictions.
Why yes it would.
But that isn't a subject really touched on,
http://mangastream.com/r/one_piece/840/3683/13
I can do this all day lol.
what is touched is the fact that Sanji was weaker than the others and behaved outside the Royalty standards and so was bullied and deserted by his father.
The genes failing aspect was only brought this exact chapter and was used to explain the discrepancy between siblings strength.
Sanji being weaker is the literal exact same thing as him being an ordinary human.
Basically, for now the genes are used just as the trigger for the environment in the family, not about the Special ideology of Germa.
All of these things are connected and interrelated.
Is funny you disregard what Judge tell Sanji,
I disregard it as mattering at all whatsoever.
You've decided to take it to mean Judge respects hard work, and wasn't angrily shoving his runt around to try and get absolutely anything out of him. Which is funny as all heck.
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@Kaido:
Why can't it be both? Is Oda that bad an author that he can't juggle multiple themes? Sanji was made an outcast by his family for both his inability to develop superhuman abilities and his un-royal behavior. And he's gonna show them that they're wrong when he beats at least some of them up
And the point of "contention" here, Sanji will not beat any of them up by unlocking his secret super genes.
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@Greenmane:
this is THE definition of dodging LOL.
…what? Why are you talking about dodging lol.
We all saw pain on nijis face when sanji kicked him but LIKE I SAID a dislocated jaw is not JUST PAIN its visible Damage.
So you're saying whenever the human body produces a cracking sort of sound, a person has a dislocated bone/appendage.
cracks knuckles
AAAHHHHH MY KNUCKLES
Yes his jaw was dislocated and that is not just pain that is visible damage.
Remind me how its visible when your "evidence" is a sound effect.
sanjis shoe hit the entirety of Nijis face witch includes part of the jaw.
You probably shouldn't make specific claims that are directly refutable by the manga.
http://mangastream.com/r/one_piece/840/3683/13
not assuming things both Yonji,Sanji and judge stated this as ive already pointed out
None of them stated what you said. Not a one.
also who said sanji only kicked him in that one spot every time? its possible that he kicked him in other places too.
Because thats the only wound he had in that scene you're attempting to use as evidence, as if you've read the scene since it came out (don't think you have).
Except…I don't have to show you the ACTUAL fight just like i wouldnt have to show you the fight between Akainu and Aokiji to know that Akainu won.
Well see the reason we know those two had a fight, is that characters told us they had a fight.
A thing that isn't true with Yonji and Sanji.
Pretty important difference.
I've already shown you the nessesary dialogue both spoken out of Niji, Sanji and Judges mouth
You posted dialogue that didn't say what you're saying. Well you posted the pages, but seemed to not like actually posting the dialogue. Maybe there's a reason for that.
you're just too blinded to actually read my links in their full entirety and not quote mine…
Things you did: Linked to pages.
Things I did: Quoted the exact dialogue from said pages.
and here we goo with the quote mining….
did you happen to read what Judge says DIRECTLY after he says this? he says "Ill have you know that Niji is quite formidable" sanji says in response: "I guess that makes me more so"
Yeah, and?
meaning Sanji knows that he is MORE formidable than Yonji.
Where I come from we read character dialogue like its spoken by human beings and not plot robots. Therefore we would not read that scene and conclude that somehow Sanji "knows" anything. He could have a good hunch, be talking shit, combo of both. But he certainly doesn't "know" anything.
I think you'll find dialogue is actually SUPPOSED to be read like living things are talking.
and this makes NO sense because Yonji would have fought back.
This assumes the situation was fight all over again.
It sounds like Yonji pissed him off, Sanji hit him, and that was that. Unless Sanji was on top of him and wailing away Yonji doesn't need to fight back.
Not only that but you completely ignore the other link I posted in it Yonji states: "How could a good for nothing like him possibly get the better of me"
Ok so once again lets read dialogue like human beings are speaking it, and not plot robots.
Yonji is confused and "miffed" shall we say that Sanji damaged him as so. Suggesting that whatever exactly happened wasn't a fight, with its suggestion of conclusiveness that would leave no doubt. But a quick incident where Sanji embarrassed him, leaving him put off, but still clearly in the mindset that it was a fluke.
if you think this is not clear evidence that Sanji beat yonji in a fight then you are clearly in denial LOL
You still have to account for why Yonji isn't spiritually crushed and disillusioned that his entire world view of his power and that of his "useless" brother wasn't violently shattered.
But I get the feeling you never actually account for that aspect of anything.
No, they are not scared of sanji, they are not using blackmail to avoid getting beaten by him.
They just didnt want any resistance or struggle from Sanji. They may know that he already beat Yonji and may be aware that beating him wont be as easy as it was last time.
They clearly have such doubts about where things stand!
http://mangastream.com/r/one_piece/840/3683/13
This page is my friend today.
I underlined it so you you wont ignore this statement again. cant be sure with you though..
Here let me condescend to you right back.
http://mangastream.com/r/one_piece/840/3683/13
that little fight between Niji and Sanji had NO consequence on the wedding.
The overall process of stomping Sanji down back to "his place" has everything to do with the wedding and longterm Germa plans.
In fact I think this was mentioned in dialogue as being the motives in that scene.
http://mangastream.com/r/one_piece/840/3683/13
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@DatYute:
The people saying they want Sanji's power's to manifest or have already manifested hence the fire are lame as hell.
Isn't it much cooler that he's an ordinary guy strong as a motherfucker and kicking ass?
Yes, in fact it is.
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@Ukimix:
But those words don't mean much. As you say, Oda can develop it either way or as Sanji the great regular human warrior (like Zoro) or as Sanji developing modification-powers.
Yeah, Oda can go with the theme he's establishing, or he can pull a 360º and crap all over that! Who knows which way he might go! A total mystery!
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@Kaido:
Yeah, Screwtape was just blowing hot air like he always does
The hot air in question being farts.