Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !
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Similar but different. Notice how the dots around the sun on the flag design are circles, not flame-like as on Sanji's outfit. Great memory though!
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In Vol. 15 Ch. 130, you can vaguely see the flame circles on a burnt flag too.
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If you look closely at the images Greg posted, even they have magatama-like flames surrounding them.
So indeed Sanji has the Alabasta symbol/flag on his sleeve.
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That's just a trick of the screentone darktravis and can easily be attributed to hurried circles by Oda which are far from uncommon.
However, FrankyFan's observation is fantastic and conclusive.
I had a discussion about this with some higher-ups before the article went to print (sparked by a problem with the sail) and we all came to the same conclusion so I'll be sure to let them know about that!A follower of mine also found this great scene of the flag on a shield of the King's Army
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So is it safe to say that the flag has changed from little flames to little circles?
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It hasn't changed. It's just that the more recent examples are a lot smaller.
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I haven't found a pic of the older Vivi P.O.P., but merchandise has used the sun symbol for a pretty long time already.
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https://one-piece.com/special/greg/20160518_0561?l=enWait, this column seems to imply that those first two pictures are silhouettes of Kaido⌠which they are not, they were pretty much confirmed to be some sort of Wano building, am I wrong?
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I didn't know about the "Oni uses cub" thing.
Reading this reminded me of
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Wait, this column seems to imply that those first two pictures are silhouettes of Kaido⌠which they are not, they were pretty much confirmed to be some sort of Wano building, am I wrong?
No he writes that it is a building that is supposed to look like a Oni.
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Big Mom having some sort of wooden or plant oriented DF crossed also my mind and awakening those materials to life is her awakened form.
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The Alice in Wonderland theme is pretty timely, because there's a new movie coming out . Then again Zou was happening when Zootopia came out and Sora from the comic reminds me of Captain America. :p
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Good column.
I remember years ago everyone was trying to figure that little bush into Big Mom's potential abilties. I know a lot of people like to throw out an acid fruit but that's just too simple too soon. It's gotta just be a by product of the ability as a whole. I never thought to tie in the living the wood with Mom's ability but as I assume someone in the crew can just give life to anything like giant ginger bread mean.
If she was some sort of zanny plant plant user that can become, use and manipulate all manner of plants I could buy into the idea that she could give life to living and dead plants as well as become them. The only thing that comes to mind with acid over flowing combined with plants are those carnivorous plants that many Pokemon are based on. I've been pitching the idea of Big Mom the pitcher plant since day 1 and I'll continue to do so until it turns out that little tree on Big Mom's flag is some weird looking green cotton candy.
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I didn't noticed Kaido was wearing a shirt.
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Oops! There's a whole paragraph I left out of the English version. The gist of it is, in 2011 Oda-san mentioned that he traveled to 'Mother Bokujo' farms in Chiba. While there he said he saw a 'really cool cow'. Checking the Mother Bokujo website revealed their bovine variety among which was a Scottish highland cattle, a bovine with ENORMOUS curved horns. Not long after that, in volume 70's opening flap comment space, he drew a picture of Toshiro Mifune with ENORMOUS curved horns. It's possible that that was a hint at Kaidou and if so, although certainly not to the extent of the admirals, Kaidou's design/persona may be heavily influenced by Toshiro Mifune.
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Oops! There's a whole paragraph I left out of the English version. The gist of it is, in 2011 Oda-san mentioned that he traveled to 'Mother Bokujo' farms in Chiba. While there he said he saw a 'really cool cow'. Checking the Mother Bokujo website revealed their bovine variety among which was a Scottish highland cattle, a bovine with ENORMOUS curved horns. Not long after that, in volume 70's opening flap comment space, he drew a picture of Toshiro Mifune with ENORMOUS curved horns. It's possible that that was a hint at Kaidou and if so, although certainly not to the extent of the admirals, Kaidou's design/persona may be heavily influenced by Toshiro Mifune.
The third admiral is named Green Bull, so the theory going around these parts is that he'll be based around Mifune since it would follow the Admirals theme of classic japanese actor.
But speaking of horns and Kaidou, I have this theory. The only characters we've seen with these type of curved horns are Oars, Oars Jr (two non-Elbaf giants) and now Kaidou so I'm betting on Kaidou being the smallest giant ever, as opposed to the Oars family being the biggest.
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The third admiral is named Green Bull, so the theory going around these parts is that he'll be based around Mifune since it would follow the Admirals theme of classic japanese actor.
But speaking of horns and Kaidou, I have this theory. The only characters we've seen with these type of curved horns are Oars, Oars Jr (two non-Elbaf giants) and now Kaidou so I'm betting on Kaidou being the smallest giant ever, as opposed to the Oars family being the biggest.
What's your professional opinion, too dumb or just the right amount of silly for Oda?Pretty much everyone thought that when Green Bull's name was first mentioned except for that the glimpse of him from behind looks very little like a typical Mifune character.
Regarding Kaidou's blood I think it's kind of a given that he has giant blood. Smallest giant ever is relative since it seems the race(s) of giants themselves are the results of ancient experiments (experiments that probably used animals for test subjectsâŚlike elephants perhaps) and that makes the Punk Hazard failures some pretty small giants themselves.
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Greg, can you please tell me about Jinbe joining? Your opinion on when and how his entry into the crew takes place.
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I don't know if it is reliable, but One Piece Blue Deep said Vice Admiral Bastille is a Giant.
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Apologies but I don't comment on anything related to the joining or not joining of potential crew member(s) because
#ReasonsYep, Bastille is also listed as being a giant.
Jaguar specifically said there were different giants.
We've seen the kids, Bastille-size, half-breeds, Dorry-size, Oars-size, San Juan-size, etc.
Not to mention characters like Doflamingo and BB's freaks also seem to carry giant's blood if not the result of some experimentation by Vegapunk.
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Had no idea Bastille was a giant, or giant related. And the kids will still grow, right? They weren't the size of regular giants.
And I interpreted Jaguar's words about different giants to mean that there are different tribes/races. The Elbaf vikings, wherever Jaguar came from, the horned giants like Oars, maybe a couple more.
I mean the marine's giant squad doesn't seem to be made of Elbaf vikings yet they seem about the same size as Dorry and Broggy. But Oda can be a little inconsistent on sizes or perspective for the sake of a cool image.You belive that all those huge/tall guys have giant's blood? I always took that as artistic freedom. Oda likes to draw the enemies bigger than the heroes to make them more menacing.
Like if it's more comom in the OP world to have folks like AndrĂŠ the Giant or Robert Wadlow.
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Honestly, for characters like Doflamingo or Blackbeard, I never even considered them as something other than humans. Only when they go beyond 5 mts or so I assume they might be a mixed breed, like⌠idk, Kuma (guess he´s half giant or something).
Still my biggest doubt is what kind of creature is Moria. Snakeneck has been discussed, yet also mentioned that he had a normal neck when he was younger.
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You belive that all those huge/tall guys have giant's blood? I always took that as artistic freedom
I used to think a lot of stuff was artistic freedom. Heck, I thought that the BB crew's size was originally just artistic freedom until I finally started comparing sizes for error checks and realized that NOPE they really are just enormous people.
More often than not, when Oda draws something that's not normal but we can attribute to it 'just being a comic' there's a reason behind it. It's how he's able to sneak in so many 'gotcha' moments because the answer's been in front of us the whole time, we just didn't realize it.
As for the kids, no, they're not going to grow. I haven't checked but as I recall Tashigi(?) mentioned something about them being cured or such.
But anyway, there are big people and small people so there are big giants and small giants. It stands to reason that somewhere along history's path there was cross breeding. We've got half fishmen and such so it stands to reason⌠:)
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So Oda puts things out there that gives away certain plot points, but in ways that the average reader thinks it means nothing until the moment happens and we look back at everything leading up to the moment. As a certain man said about a velociraptor at one point, clever girl.
Also, have to make my comment about how amazing a number of members on this forum are. I don't know how you can figure all this out, but it always amazes me the analytical abilities of forum members here.
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Also, have to make my comment about how amazing a number of members on this forum are. I don't know how you can figure all this out, but it always amazes me the analytical abilities of forum members here.
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Reading and studying a lot of other stories. Books, movies, comics, whatever. Being exposed to a lot of things better equips you to follow the structure of a thing.
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Reading and studying this particular story a lot. Throw a decade of constant discussion at this thing and tons of rereads and thousands of hours thinking about it, some things start becoming second nature.
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Greg is a freak of nature even more obsessive than the rest of us, going back to his dragonball website days. I've gotten lazy in my later years and just wait for him to come up with something and then generally agree with it.
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Also, have to make my comment about how amazing a number of members on this forum are. I don't know how you can figure all this out, but it always amazes me the analytical abilities of forum members here.
This is what make us different from other websites that I wouldn't say the names for ethical reasons.
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Reading and studying a lot of other stories. Books, movies, comics, whatever. Being exposed to a lot of things better equips you to follow the structure of a thing.
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Reading and studying this particular story a lot. Throw a decade of constant discussion at this thing and tons of rereads and thousands of hours thinking about it, some things start becoming second nature.
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Greg is a freak of nature even more obsessive than the rest of us, going back to his dragonball website days. I've gotten lazy in my later years and just wait for him to come up with something and then generally agree with it.
Well I have been getting better at 1. By a certain point I can call the bigger plot points that will happen in a story. When it comes to smaller things that usually doesn't happen, a big part being that while I like to analyze a story I don't think too hard on it for long periods of time. Though I am still happy that I was correct on one prediction, despite it being a complete fluke that I called it based on very shaky reasoning.
This is what make us different from other websites that I wouldn't say the names for ethical reasons.
Though there are other sites that probably do it, I like how people call you out on your bullshit and will correct you. While nothing major, I have made mistakes in my posts where my meaning comes out differently than what I intended it to. A poster points it out and I learn and become better because of it. Also, beyond One Piece I have learned a lot of things from various threads.
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Witch DF? Give me a break.
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The thing is that if the giants or any of the races is genetically engineered, then all of them should be.
Minks and fishmen migth be related to the origin of zoan fruits. Even though we have gotten tons of non mamal devil fruits and none fish or aquatic animal.
The tontattas pack a lot of power in their small bodies.
But why⌠Longarms and longlegs? Who is the native race from this world?
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I think the diversity we´re facing has to do with the geographical conditions in the world of OP.
It seems like each race has had their perfect condition to evolve on a certain island. (giants-elbaf, fishman-FI, dwarfs-green bit, minks-zou)
Just like the animals on longringlongland developed the way they are because of their surrounding.
After that they traveled the world and inbreed with others.Unrevealed: Loki/Rocks/the man marked by flames/Im-san
Island: Elbaf/Raftel/GodValley
Unresolved: Weevil´s plan/Joy-Boy/Zunisha´s story/Rocks flashback/Void Century/Rioponeglyph/Uranus/the D.clan
DFWind/Metal/Acid/Liquid/Time-Stop
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Fishman especificaly didn't evolve on fishman island but were forced to be quarantine d there. And none of the other races live in places were humans wouldn't suficr
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Fishman especificaly didn't evolve on fishman island but were forced to be quarantine d there. And none of the other races live in places were humans wouldn't suficr
Are you saying that someone in the past make experiments on humans to turn they into super living being?
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Fishman especificaly didn't evolve on fishman island but were forced to be quarantine d there. And none of the other races live in places were humans wouldn't suficr
In the case of fishman they could have developed anywhere in the sea, but having light down there definitely benefited them and that´s why they created there FI.
They are now forced to stay there, while knowing the vast environment they could also conquer.
Also the place the races originated don´t have to be exclusive for them, obviously other races can life/survive there as well and they can conquer other habitats.
The different islands they may originated from just benefited their development and had an environment where they could use their race advantage to flourish.
The minks also don´t originated on Zou in my opinion, but it became a perfect place to stay for them.The thing is that if the giants or any of the races is genetically engineered, then all of them should be.
Minks and fishmen migth be related to the origin of zoan fruits. Even though we have gotten tons of non mamal devil fruits and none fish or aquatic animal.
The tontattas pack a lot of power in their small bodies.
But why⌠Longarms and longlegs? Who is the native race from this world?The idea that the races were artificial made somehow from one (maybe intergalactic superior race), i think has way to many flaws.
We saw little garden and how there dinosaur were able to develop/survive and skypians who developed/adapted because of their environment and there we don´t talk about artificial creation.
I think it´s a possibility that the ancient kingdom was capable of that kind of technology, but the experiments to create giants has a war theme behind it and the ancient kingdom doesn´t give me that impression so far, that they explored this to create a fighting force.
Vegapunk is seen as one of a kind in history, who drives technology to it´s limits.
He might borrow ideas the ancient kingdom already had a hold of, but he advances natural occurring phenomena like the DFs and seastones.
So i think is Ceasar testing how to use the strenght of the giants to develop artifical giants to use them as fighting forces.
That doesn´t have to imply those giants were artificially made in the first place, or in that case any other race that exists in the world of OP.
The vast variety of environment in the world of OP made a perfect breeding ground for such races, who could have developed independently on many different island or maybe in some cases on one specific one.
Even Vivi mentions how influencial those islands can be. [http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/115/18E](http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/115/18)dit: That doesn´t exclude that one race developed in so many branches because of those different island, but it´s equally likely (if not more) that life generated in many different places simultaneous in different forms and the end results we see nowadays after they adapted to their environment over time.
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I used to think a lot of stuff was artistic freedom. Heck, I thought that the BB crew's size was originally just artistic freedom until I finally started comparing sizes for error checks and realized that NOPE they really are just enormous people.
More often than not, when Oda draws something that's not normal but we can attribute to it 'just being a comic' there's a reason behind it. It's how he's able to sneak in so many 'gotcha' moments because the answer's been in front of us the whole time, we just didn't realize it.
As for the kids, no, they're not going to grow. I haven't checked but as I recall Tashigi(?) mentioned something about them being cured or such.
But anyway, there are big people and small people so there are big giants and small giants. It stands to reason that somewhere along history's path there was cross breeding. We've got half fishmen and such so it stands to reason⌠:)
I dind't mean to say that BB's crew or other characters are not huge people just that Oda likes to make the big evil in his stories actually big.
But yeah, we've seen half-breeds on the series, I guess I never thought that those people would eventually also have kids and "dilute" the genes. :p
But that would raise an interesting question. Doflamingo is one of those huge guys, so that would mean that somewhere along the line someone from the DonQuixote family mingled with a giant or part giant.
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I sure hope this giant genes theory stays a theory. It completely destroys the Rule of Cool of big important people beeing big just because it's, well, cool.
âAs I stand out here in the wonders of the unknown at Hadley, I sort of realize thereâs a fundamental truth to our nature: Man must explore!â â David Scott, Moon
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I sure hope this giant genes theory stays a theory. It completely destroys the Rule of Cool of big important people beeing big just because it's, well, cool.
I totally agree 16 chars.
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The thing is that if the giants or any of the races is genetically engineered, then all of them should be.
That's correct.
People may not like the theory but it doesn't change that we know for a fact the WG tried to create monstrosities. Although the lore is still not clear and could easily go either way, creatures like Oars are either a product of that or the impetus for such endeavors.
Imagine that failed subjects, much like in PH, were all regulated to a specific region (Elbaf). Then consider that some either made their way off and out into the world beyond mixing and mingling with other test subjects and humans.
The 'I want them to be tall just because it's cool that they are tall' is a perfectly understandable stance, but it's precisely the kind of hint Oda threads into his story that can go one way or the other depending on how he feels it will help the story.
It also doesn't mean an immediate ancestor was a giant. Oda's not so into the nitty-gritty that he gives his characters scientifically accurate gene expression. As with fishpeople, being a tuna doesn't mean your parents were, it just means someone somewhere in that genetic line was a tuna. Being tall doesn't mean you come directly from a giant family but there could have been a giant in the genetic line.
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About the giants, i always found this page very interesting about the matter:
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[/hide]I'm sure it wasn't just something confined to Punk Hazard to depict Caesar as the bad guy, but just the first hint for the plot to come back to it in the future when Vegapunk gets properly introduced to shed light on this Giant mystery.
Also, people said that people became bigger the stronger they became, but if that's true then Luffy/Sabo and many other good simple guys have not, probably because none of them got into WG hands.
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As much as it would be cool Oda having the idea of WG making some crazy experiments on people to turn into giants be the reason to why we get people with huge builds, I think is just what looks like. Oda making the guys he wants us to see as imposing, he'll make them bigger then the average person just to make sure we get that idea. The first group of bigger guys was after all the Blackbeard crew (if I'm not mistaken).
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I forget, was Rocinante oddly tall like Doflamingo?
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The first group of bigger guys was after all the Blackbeard crew (if I'm not mistaken).
Crocodile's like nine feet tall.
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I forget, was Rocinante oddly tall like Doflamingo?
I believe he was about the same height, yeah.
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As much as it would be cool Oda having the idea of WG making some crazy experiments on people to turn into giants be the reason to why we get people with huge builds, I think is just what looks like. Oda making the guys he wants us to see as imposing, he'll make them bigger then the average person just to make sure we get that idea. The first group of bigger guys was after all the Blackbeard crew (if I'm not mistaken).
The Arlong pirates were all like 2m tall, not exactly huge guys for OP standards but they all stood above the StrawHats. This, if you're just talking about groups.
For individual characters had several bosses that stood well above Luffy.
Morgan, Don Krieg, Mihawk, Crocodile, Dorry, BroggyâŚ
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The Arlong pirates were all like 2m tall, not exactly huge guys for OP standards but they all stood above the StrawHats. This, if you're just talking about groups.
For individual characters had several bosses that stood well above Luffy.
Morgan, Don Krieg, Mihawk, Crocodile, Dorry, BroggyâŚ
(just kiding about the last two)Yeah, I was just talking about the way above the average guys, which for me the first few would be BB pirates.
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I forget, was Rocinante oddly tall like Doflamingo?
About the same size I think.
Crocodile's like nine feet tall.
Yeah, seems like this is where Oda starts going overboard on characters size.
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The size of the badguys made perfect sense once Gear 3 came out.
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Oda making the guys he wants us to see as imposing, he'll make them bigger then the average person just to make sure we get that idea.
Again, that's exactly what I meant when I said Oda introduces aspects that we can chalk up to him having artistic freedom in his own storyâŚ
...then later pulling it into a major story point.
Not that he has to but he has time and again. Some of them were coincidental. Some of them intentional.
The size of the badguys made perfect sense once Gear 3 came out.
Yeah, when you read Oda's thoughts on how to make something impressive or how to express power it's very clear that he is the polar opposite of Toriyama.
Which is just flipping awesome when you realize how much he LOVES Toriyama but wants to forge his own pathâŚwhich he does...repeatedly...without monkeying Toriyama's work. Toriyama's theory is that smaller means power is more condensed and therefore more volatile whereas Oda believes the power to move a reader comes through expression of exaggerated size, motion and sound.
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