Franky doesn't wrestle as much as he uses equipment.
He's a cinch for San Juan. Gigant mecha Franky
Since we'll have Jinbe in the end we have another fighter to take on Burgess.
IDK who Franky is gonna fight among the BBs, but I can guarantee it will be a funny fight. Would be cool if the Sunny turns into a huge Franky Shogun, but it'd still be smaller than SJW.
Since we'll have Jinbe in the end we have another fighter to take on Burgess.
IDK who Franky is gonna fight among the BBs, but I can guarantee it will be a funny fight. Would be cool if the Sunny turns into a huge Franky Shogun, but it'd still be smaller than SJW.
That's where the lasers come in play.
what did Shiliew achieve to warrent such distinctions as vanquisher of Mihawk and Zoro's final enemy?:wassat:
There's this little thing called the Blackbeard crew you see which are definitely the final villains in the series, of which Shiryu belongs.
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As to what would make Zoro and Mihawk fight, the final three way war between Blackbeard, the Strawhats and the World Government? Remember Mihawk is still a Shickibukai and he would have to fight Zoro lest he lose his title.
1. The Shichibukai institution is starting to be questioned right the hell NOW. And you think it will hold together by the end of the series??
2. The final war will be the upheaval of all things. No more bullshit gray area pussyfooting, people will take sides that they actually believe in. This means True Justice will fight Absolute Justice, and it damn well means Shanks friendly (former likely) Shichibukais aren't going to STILL be batting for team WG for no reason other than "that's the job description".
3. The WG will be collapsing by that point internally and otherwise, what the heck value is Shichibukai going to have if the positions even still exist?
4. lol
Seeing as he took part in the Whitebeard war and didn't half ass it to the point of going after Luffy it looks like it's not something he'd want to lose.
He immediately refused to fight when the Redhair Pirates showed up.
And again I'm absolutely bewildered that you think the low stakes of Marineford will apparently be the same as the final war. You have zero vision of the endgame of the series at all to think that.Besides he seems like the type to go after Zoro in a battlefield just to test him/ see what providence has in store for him and pure swordsman pride and battle fervor can elevate the stakes from there.
Not any more he doesn't. This is like ….pre-timeskip mentality. Remember that? Clearly you do, we all thought that.
Then he trained Zoro for two years and welp.
It's atleast nice that five of the eleven guys match up along obvious lines.
I take it we're talking about…
Luffy Vs. Teach
Zoro Vs. Shiliew
Usopp Vs. Van Augur
Chopper Vs. Doc Q & Stronger
...am I missing someone obvious? lol
Mecha Sunny Vs. Wolf?
Brook Vs Pizzaro?
It's weird to imagine the match-ups for some, just visually. Like Sunkist and the big drunk guy. But then again i didn't expect Sunkist and Goombah to beat up a gigant either.
Yeah, I can see where you're coming from.
Then again, whoever takes on Wolf is going to give us one hell of a visual disparity, regardless.
So i guess some times there are just crack match-ups.
Indeed.
Look at all the mix-up match ups we got in Dressrosa alone.
For just that?!
There's also the massive build up for the Blackbeard crew since Vol. 15? Not sure how you missed that.
doesn't mean that every strawhat would find their arch rival among Blackbeard crew
Gee though. Maybe if those are the final villains Oda will work on making them more impactful and personal foes than just a bunch of Kumadoris and Lao Gs?
The only ones that have been posed as super mega rivals have been the three that stand a strong chance at killing or at least fucking up people close to the Strawhats. Which would be BB himself, Van Ogre, and Shiryu. Since the BB crew and Redhair crew are established as having bad blood, and Yasopp and Mihawk are either literal members or close allies of that crew.
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If its Zoro vs Shiliew in the end, who is Sanji going to go against? Laffite?
Probably. Lafitte has felt semi-prominent since the BB crew physically showed up in Jaya, and he's very memorable in of himself. There's similar vibes of Sanjiness to him as well.
On the other hand he also has vibes that remind me of Brooke so I don't know.
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If you think about it, Brooke indead is a better match for Lafitte. He has been outright stated to use hypnothesis (at Impel Down), carries a cane-sword ish weapon(?) and has some musican vibes too.
Also, they have the same body shape.
The hardest to pair up would be Franky.
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Burgess has the same fleet captain rank as Marco. He is also likely the first mate and the strongest from the original crew of BB.
I wouldn't say any of those things are likely. We know his position already, he's the Helmsman.
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Kuzan just joined, so maybe all he needs is one good mission to be promoted, its not like he is a rookie developing/acquiring his power.
Aokiji is never said to have joined the BB crew.
I take it we're talking about…
Luffy Vs. Teach
Zoro Vs. Shiliew
Usopp Vs. Van Augur
Chopper Vs. Doc Q & Stronger...am I missing someone obvious? lol
Mecha Sunny Vs. Wolf?
Brook Vs Pizzaro?
Gigant mecha Franky vs literally as big as an island Wolf is the fifth easy one.
@Monkey:
Aokiji is never said to have joined the BB crew.
Even now that i have been corrected i still have that distinct memory that they at some point said that blue bird joined up with the Blackbeard pirates. But i guess their allied forces aren't technically in the crew, just at their disposal.
Gigant mecha Franky vs literally as big as an island Wolf is the fifth easy one.
It does seem like a good option, yeah.
However, I wouldn't say it's a total lock like those other 4.
Like we're only theorising this way because of Wolf's size, but we still don't know if he's capable of modifying it in some fashion?
Still dunno how the hell he was housed in, let along got in and out of Impel Down.
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It is Brook vs. Laffite and
Sanji vs. Vasco
Bout Cat Devon and Pizarro I have no idea how they gonna fight.
In Vasco's case I am pretty sure he is a drunken-fist-martial Artist.
And SJW is big. He either fights a huge Franky Mecha or Shirahoshi's sea kings.
My list goes as follows, it also depends on the last crewmate for the SH and I'm not counting Kuzan just yet:
Blackbeard - Luffy (Obvi)
Jesus Burguess - Sanji (Besides the whole devil vs holy man reference, Jesus getting Marco's fruit could make for some interesting fight scenes, though is it possible that Shilliew doesn't want a Devil fruit power at all?)
Shilliew - Zoro (Mmmm…..)
Laffitte - Brooke (As said before both have manipulation type techniques, similar wardrobe + equipment)
Van Augur- Ussop (Ehh...I think it would be awesome if there was a pannel of the SH and BB walking towards another and you see Van Auger way far back from the rest, and he tries to shoot at Luffy, and a bullet hits his mid-air. No one can see him around, but God Ussop sees ALL)
Doc Q / Stronger - Chopper (Ehh, I think it would be funny if Stronger was a Mink, stands up and beats people up jajaja)
San Juan Wolf - Franky + The Sunny/Shogun (Like other people said, it is hard to pair Franky
Vasco Shot - Jimbe (Drunken Fishman Karate Master vs Fishman karate Master)
Catarina Devon - Nami (Both use spear, staff weapons)
Avalo Pizzaro - Robin (I find that the whole corrupt king thing might play in with something about history)
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Aokiji is never said to have joined the BB crew.
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Still dunno how the hell he was housed in, let along got in and out of Impel Down.
16 chars of Manga Magic?
The shogun and sunny are of the size of sjw's head. You need a lot more for it to be a battle on the same ground.
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The shogun and sunny are of the size of sjw's head. You need a lot more for it to be a battle on the same ground.
Like lasers? And hydralic fists. And firebreathing.
Watch him shadow of the collossous the shit out of that walking tower.
It does seem like a good option, yeah.
However, I wouldn't say it's a total lock like those other 4.
Like we're only theorising this way because of Wolf's size, but we still don't know if he's capable of modifying it in some fashion?
Still dunno how the hell he was housed in, let along got in and out of Impel Down.
I personally like the idea of Franky commandeering the Sunny against San Juan.
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None of those state he joined the crew.
No one is in doubt that they've formed an alliance.
@Tamiel:
My list goes as follows, it also depends on the last crewmate for the SH and I'm not counting Kuzan just yet:
Blackbeard - Luffy (Obvi)
Jesus Burguess - Sanji (Besides the whole devil vs holy man reference, Jesus getting Marco's fruit could make for some interesting fight scenes, though is it possible that Shilliew doesn't want a Devil fruit power at all?)
Shilliew - Zoro (Mmmm…..)
Laffitte - Brooke (As said before both have manipulation type techniques, similar wardrobe + equipment)
Van Augur- Ussop (Ehh...I think it would be awesome if there was a pannel of the SH and BB walking towards another and you see Van Auger way far back from the rest, and he tries to shoot at Luffy, and a bullet hits his mid-air. No one can see him around, but God Ussop sees ALL)
Doc Q / Stronger - Chopper (Ehh, I think it would be funny if Stronger was a Mink, stands up and beats people up jajaja)
San Juan Wolf - Franky + The Sunny/Shogun (Like other people said, it is hard to pair Franky
Vasco Shot - Jimbe (Drunken Fishman Karate Master vs Fishman karate Master)
Catarina Devon - Nami (Both use spear, staff weapons)
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We know that he is at least allied and Blackbeard has no problem in asking strong people to join his crew also blackbeard said shiliew use to work for the world goverment which the marines worked for when jesus was saying if he could be trusted as well and even smoker said he heard rumors of what he was doing when smoker was saved from doflamingo at punk hazard so at least Blackbeard was talking about inviting him to join his crew after he had been allied with the blackbeard pirates.
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Hmm…it just seems like too big (no pun intended) a discrepancy for Oda to not provide some explanation for down the line.
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@Monkey:
I personally like the idea of Franky commandeering the Sunny against San Juan.
Yeah, I like the idea of it too.
I'm just saying that I wouldn't put it down as a lock in the same way that Luffy/Teach, Zoro/Shiliew are.
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Yeah, I like the idea of it too.
I'm just saying that I wouldn't put it down as a lock in the same way that Luffy/Teach, Zoro/Shiliew are.
The only reason I paired them together is because of San Juan's nickname.
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Hmm…it just seems like too big (no pun intended) a discrepancy for Oda to not provide some explanation for down the line.
I'm gonna assume that it's some sort of devil fruit at work. As in some WG agent with that power.
One of those utility fruits, like the door fruit, or something that allows size manipulation.
I'm thinking something like that guy from Hunter x Hunter. Y'know the owl or whatever his name was.
I don't see Franky combining with Sunny to fight San Juan. His dream is to sail all over the world on that ship. Don't see how Sunny is supposed to survive that battle intact. Or are we expecting the final fight to happen like 10 years in the future where the sailing over the world thing is already done?
I'm still betting on San Juan being fishman or half fishman and Jinbe taking him on in an epic sea battle. Remember, only when fighting in the sea can Jinbe show his best. And BBPs are still "missing" their token fishman.
@Tamiel:
Jesus Burguess - Sanji (Besides the whole devil vs holy man reference, Jesus getting Marco's fruit could make for some interesting fight scenes, though is it possible that Shilliew doesn't want a Devil fruit power at all?)
I've been throwing around Sanji's devil allusions for a long time and always assumed he'd fight Jesus as a final opponent but I never once really thought about it like that!
As for the rest it seems plenty of the Straw Hat's have clear cut opponents in the Black Beards(No Nami is not fighting Laffite). The only ones that I flip flop on are Robin, Franky, Wolf, Shot and Pizarro.
I could see San Juan Wolf battling Shogun Franky or a combination of Franky & Sunny. Only thing is with the Sunny there would definitely need to be more Straw Hats on board for support. I can't imagine Franky being able to use Sunny's weapons and maneuver the ship all at the same time. Though I've been toying with the idea of Robin taking on San Juan Wolf as well, I fully expect her to be able to become a full body giant by the end of the series and larger than average giants.
Vasco might be powered by alcohol so I could also see him fighting Franky, the guy powered by cola.
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I don't see Franky combining with Sunny to fight San Juan. His dream is to sail all over the world on that ship. Don't see how Sunny is supposed to survive that battle intact. Or are we expecting the final fight to happen like 10 years in the future where the sailing over the world thing is already done?
Remember that it's made out of the incredibly durable Adam wood.
And that it's already getting torn up and repaired all the time. That's why Franky is there in the first place.
I'm still betting on San Juan being fishman or half fishman and Jinbe taking him on in an epic sea battle. Remember, only when fighting in the sea can Jinbe show his best. And BBPs are still "missing" their token fishman.
I'd say that if he was he wouldn't be complaining so much about having to swim everywhere.
I could see San Juan Wolf battling Shogun Franky or a combination of Franky & Sunny. Only thing is with the Sunny there would definitely need to be more Straw Hats on board for support. I can't imagine Franky being able to use Sunny's weapons and maneuver the ship all at the same time. Though I've been toying with the idea of Robin taking on San Juan Wolf as well, I fully expect her to be able to become a full body giant by the end of the series and larger than average giants.
Well the two things that come to mind is that even if Robin grew to his size, he'd still have both the strength advantage, and the skill advantage. She'd just be a gigant average woman no? I mean sure she's dealt with power before using her arm locks and what not, but could Robin really apply her arm locks while she's creating body parts that are big enough to leverage someone that huge?
I've been throwing around Sanji's devil allusions for a long time and always assumed he'd fight Jesus as a final opponent but I never once really thought about it like that!
As for the rest it seems plenty of the Straw Hat's have clear cut opponents in the Black Beards(No Nami is not fighting Laffite). The only ones that I flip flop on are Robin, Franky, Wolf, Shot and Pizarro.
I could see San Juan Wolf battling Shogun Franky or a combination of Franky & Sunny. Only thing is with the Sunny there would definitely need to be more Straw Hats on board for support. I can't imagine Franky being able to use Sunny's weapons and maneuver the ship all at the same time. Though I've been toying with the idea of Robin taking on San Juan Wolf as well, I fully expect her to be able to become a full body giant by the end of the series and larger than average giants.
Vasco might be powered by alcohol so I could also see him fighting Franky, the guy powered by cola.
Jajaja, I was just thinking that if Jesus gets Marco's fruit, then I bet the whole "reviving" thing would also be referenced. At least by us.
And here I though that after Raftel, Franky would employ a docking system that involved the Sunny + Shogun to get a mecha warrior against a giant like monster.
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And here I though that after Raftel, Franky would employ a docking system that involved the Sunny + Shogun to get a mecha warrior against a giant like monster.
….Well yes obviously. Nobody is suggesting that he'd sail the actual ship alone.
The ship itself would form the robot body for his shogun head. Like a little jaeger
….Well yes obviously. Nobody is suggesting that he'd sail the actual ship alone.
The ship itself would form the robot body for his shogun head. Like a little jaeger
What I meant is that, while the ship is on Sunny mode, he'll need help, but once he transforms it into Giant Shogun, he might not need anyone anymore. And I was mostly referencing why I thought Franky vs San Juan was an option in my mind.
I don't know about the sunny zord thing. I would like Franky to have a manly fight with his own body like he did with Segnor Pink. Aldo I don't know who that guy could be. Franky's energy comes from his Cola, Vasco's energy comes from his alcohol, maybe him.
One thing is for sure, I do see his enemy from the BBs take advantage of his back weakness, maybe place a knife in there.
….Well yes obviously. Nobody is suggesting that he'd sail the actual ship alone.
The ship itself would form the robot body for his shogun head. Like a little jaeger
Thats was I assumed most people were referring to, Franky sailing the ship alone. If Sunny is modified to be a giant Shogun Franky then I could buy it. My only issue is if there enough manga logic to modify the Adam wood to that degree.
Luffy vs Teach
Zoro vs Shiliew
Brook vs Lafitte
Chopper vs Doc Q
Franky vs Battle Ship Guy SJW
Sanji vs Jesus Burgess
Jimbe vs Alvaro Pizzaro
Nami vs Catarina Devon
Robin vs Vasco Shot
?????? I don't know about the last few match ups, but they sound pretty cool.
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Luffy vs Teach
Zoro vs Shiliew
Brook vs Lafitte
Chopper vs Doc Q
Franky vs Battle Ship Guy SJW
Sanji vs Jesus Burgess
Jimbe vs Alvaro Pizzaro
Nami vs Catarina Devon
Robin vs Vasco Shot
?????? I don't know about the last few match ups, but they sound pretty cool.
I put Vasco and Jimbe, because Vasco looks like a fishman with earings on his gills.
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I know its very unlikely Kuzan is actually a Blackbeard, but personally, I like the idea: Sanji versus Aokiji sounds like good fun. If it does end up being the truth, then maybe Kuzan feels following Blackbeard is the best (why, I don't know) way to destroy the WG and reform the marines. The main (and very important) gripe I have with the idea though is I just can't see Kuzan following the Blackbeards to the bitter end and that all but jabs a stake in the idea.
@Tamiel:
I put Vasco and Jimbe, because Vasco looks like a fishman with earings on his gills.
So most of the match up look logical. Well, that could make sense in a way too.
In the name of tugging at tenuously connected threads i could see Robin and Devon.
One is the most evil woman in the world, and the other is the infamous devil child/woman.
In the name of tugging at tenuously connected threads i could see Robin and Devon.
One is the most evil woman in the world, and the other is the infamous devil child/woman.
There is nothing more evil then the women that charges her friends money to cook food and leaves them starving at the mercy of her captain that cooks as good as a 2 years old.:ninja:
For just that?!
I understand the theory that the Blackbeard crew and Strawhats will have a final showdown and Zoro most likely will fight Shilew,but just because Teach is going to be Luffy's biggest enemy(among pirates) doesn't mean that every strawhat would find their arch rival among Blackbeard crew(that's the vibe i get with this theory)…..
Also story dynamics and general tropes, the fact this is a shonen manga, that the other 10 strawhats are going to have their ultimate battles then, how the Zoro and Mihawk relationship has changed, and how the author works in general.
There's the story reasons we have so far, which aren't much, and then there's the authorial reasons that we have for later, which is a lot.
The blackbeards as a whole WILL be the final battles of the series. Not among the final battles, THE final battles. The fight against Shiryu as a result has to be Zoro's best and most impressive, most emotional. WHich in turn compromises Mihawk's position.
If this was a sports manga it might be one thing, but its a big tale about the entire world and big events. (And even in sports manga, the top tier guy is usually surprise beaten by an even stronger opponent right around the time the hero is ready to be their equal)
I doubt Burgess is in the top 5 of the Blackbeard Pirates, let alone top three. A level 6 or whoever the unknown captain is makes more sense as Sanji's opponent than the guy who was beaten again and again by Sabo.
Burgess doesn't have his devil fruit yet. He'll be stronger by the end.
And Sabo is pretty top tier, number 2 in the revolutionary army,able to go toe to toe against an admiral. Losing to him is no foul.
Remember that it's made out of the incredibly durable Adam wood.
And that it's already getting torn up and repaired all the time. That's why Franky is there in the first place.
Even Adam wood is not impervious to a giant like SJW putting his fist through it. Not to mention the supply of Adam wood used for repairs is probably limited. Not to mention combining metal parts with wooden parts would create a liability in the structure. Oh I know Oda can brush it all off with Haki and stuff. Just think the merits of combining wouldn't be good enough to warrant it. And it would have to be a pretty smooth win in order for Sunny to still be usable after.
Just my view.
I'd say that if he was he wouldn't be complaining so much about having to swim everywhere.
Fishmen can't get tired? Especially if he had to drag everyone all the way from FI and then not being able to get out of the water and rest because the whole island is on fire. Also, I can't remember which translation was correct. His feet are tired/fish are biting him/the underwater rocks are too hot to stand on.
There's still a matter of how he even got to NW. Coating him would be a pretty big job. Especially if it's being done in a spitting distance from marine HQ. If we assume Rayleigh is one of the best coaters, and the best he could do with Sunny was 3 days, then SJW would require twice as long, minimum.
The blackbeards as a whole WILL be the final battles of the series. Not among the final battles, THE final battles. The fight against Shiryu as a result has to be Zoro's best and most impressive, most emotional. WHich in turn compromises Mihawk's position.
You're basing all this on a lot of assumptions and setting yourself up for some heartache when your idea of a perfect story doesn't come to fruition.
You're basing all this on a lot of assumptions and setting yourself up for some heartache when your idea of a perfect story doesn't come to fruition.
Ain't my idea. I want a Zoro Mihawk fight thats been promised for 15 years. I'm basing it off what's there on the page and what the author has consistently done in the past.
What I want and what the story will do aren't the same.
For instance, I'd prefer Monet stay dead so there can be some actual danger and costs and sacrifice in the new world, but she'll be alive whenever we get around to doing the coverstory for Doflamingo's crew.
In the name of tugging at tenuously connected threads i could see Robin and Devon.
One is the most evil woman in the world, and the other is the infamous devil child/woman.
Maybe we could have a 2 vs 1, nami-robin vs devon. And yeah thats not 11-11 but you could add someone ( Perhaps Law ) allied to the strawhats to fight two of the blackbeards. A redux of Usopp-Chopper.
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Even Adam wood is not impervious to a giant like SJW putting his fist through it. Not to mention the supply of Adam wood used for repairs is probably limited. Not to mention combining metal parts with wooden parts would create a liability in the structure. Oh I know Oda can brush it all off with Haki and stuff. Just think the merits of combining wouldn't be good enough to warrant it. And it would have to be a pretty smooth win in order for Sunny to still be usable after.
Just my view.
Fishmen can't get tired? Especially if he had to drag everyone all the way from FI and then not being able to get out of the water and rest because the whole island is on fire. Also, I can't remember which translation was correct. His feet are tired/fish are biting him/the underwater rocks are too hot to stand on.
There's still a matter of how he even got to NW. Coating him would be a pretty big job. Especially if it's being done in a spitting distance from marine HQ. If we assume Rayleigh is one of the best coaters, and the best he could do with Sunny was 3 days, then SJW would require twice as long, minimum.
Agree, I dont know if he's a hybrid but the dialogue alone doesnt really prove anything.
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Also story dynamics and general tropes, the fact this is a shonen manga, that the other 10 strawhats are going to have their ultimate battles then, how the Zoro and Mihawk relationship has changed, and how the author works in general.
There's the story reasons we have so far, which aren't much, and then there's the authorial reasons that we have for later, which is a lot.
The blackbeards as a whole WILL be the final battles of the series. Not among the final battles, THE final battles. The fight against Shiryu as a result has to be Zoro's best and most impressive, most emotional. WHich in turn compromises Mihawk's position.
If this was a sports manga it might be one thing, but its a big tale about the entire world and big events. (And even in sports manga, the top tier guy is usually surprise beaten by an even stronger opponent right around the time the hero is ready to be their equal)
Burgess doesn't have his devil fruit yet. He'll be stronger by the end.
And Sabo is pretty top tier, number 2 in the revolutionary army,able to go toe to toe against an admiral. Losing to him is no foul.
Do you think it's likely that if nekomamushi succeeds at bringing marco to the fight, ( and why would would he be mentioned if he doesnt join…) and he plays a role in helping luffy beat Kaido that he would ie afterwards. I'm not opposed to him getting a devil fruit but ive seen marco's floated around so much and the only reason is to make burgess a fit for sanji, would Oda kill off marco after he reacquaints with luffy and helps beat kaido all to give burgess that specifric fruit. Im skeptical, I can see him with another fruit however.
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Do you think it's likely that if nekomamushi succeeds at bringing marco to the fight, ( and why would would he be mentioned if he doesnt join…) and he plays a role in helping luffy beat Kaido that he would ie afterwards. I'm not opposed to him getting a devil fruit but ive seen marco's floated around so much and the only reason is to make burgess a fit for sanji, would Oda kill off marco after he reacquaints with luffy and helps beat kaido all to give burgess that specifric fruit. Im skeptical, I can see him with another fruit however.
I posted a possible scenario where this could happen in the theory thread. I think it could greatly increase the drama between the Strawhats and the Blackbeard Pirates, and it fits motives and personality.
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I posted a possible scenario where this could happen in the theory thread. I think it could greatly increase the drama between the Strawhats and the Blackbeard Pirates, and it fits motives and personality.
All I'm saying is Oda wont go from 2 people dying in paradise to 20 in the new world
Shanks will probably be dead, Jozu being dead is expected, the BB wont all have fruits of people we know. Like lafitte wont all of a sudden be like hey look im a smoke man now, or devon having the mero mero no mi etc all for the point of the strawhats getting revenge. It's a light hearted manga and even when it gets really dark/serious there will still be people alive at the end of it, charloss or spandam are totally irredeemable but they're alive, so oda wont kill off everyone just so we get the StrawAngst Pirates
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In case any of you wonders how a sunny-mecha could work or look like, I did a little sketch of how I imagine that thing:
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All I'm saying is Oda wont go from 2 people dying in paradise to 20 in the new world
Shanks will probably be dead, Jozu being dead is expected, the BB wont all have fruits of people we know. Like lafitte wont all of a sudden be like hey look im a smoke man now, or devon having the mero mero no mi etc all for the point of the strawhats getting revenge. It's a light hearted manga and even when it gets really dark/serious there will still be people alive at the end of it, charloss or spandam are totally irredeemable but they're alive, so oda wont kill off everyone just so we get the StrawAngst Pirates
Tell that to Law's crispy sister. Jokes aside, yes, the BB will not have all the devil fruits of people we know. However how many casualties are you expecting from Kaido's war? Is everyone making it out alive on both sides? Just on the good side? I think once we establish an idea around that, then we can continue to discuss how many future deaths we shall see besides the favorite (Shanks…etc). And the idea of BB crashing Luffy vs Kaido's war aftermath is not out of the blue. We know Kaido has one of the biggest devil fruit users crew, and that Blackbeard' objective right now is to get Devil Fruit Powers. BB is an opportunistic bastard, so a battle of the magnitude Kaido would be involved, he knows he can benefit if he plans appropriately. And I think that having Luffy fail in the liberation of Wano would be nice for character development. (More details in the theory thread, I don't want to post this everywhere.)
In case any of you wonders how a sunny-mecha could work or look like, I did a little sketch of how I imagine that thing:
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This looks awesome!!! How long did it take you to do it? Also, how would you depict a fusion between Shogun and Sunny? (I'm taking your drawing as Sunny doing the transformation solo.
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This looks awesome!!! How long did it take you to do it? Also, how would you depict a fusion between Shogun and Sunny? (I'm taking your drawing as Sunny doing the transformation solo.
Thanks for the feedback! I never can tell how long I draw on this stuff, cause once I start drawing I lose any sense of time. But I guess sth. between 30 minutes and an hour (but closer to 30 minutes). The ideas came within 5-10 minutes.
Well, since those forearms don't look like any part of the ship, I'd say Franky Shogun will be used as those thick forearms parts.
But going from a solo Sunny-Shogun, a fusion with Franky Shogun I would take the figure head and put it in front of the mecha's chest (I think the power rangers used the rex-head this way iirc) and then I put the Franky Shogun as a head atop the ship. Or I'd stick with the figurehead as it is and put the franky shogun with its back on the main deck (the grass area), so it looks like the Franky shogun "stands" in the mecha's center.
Fishmen can't get tired? Especially if he had to drag everyone all the way from FI and then not being able to get out of the water and rest because the whole island is on fire. Also, I can't remember which translation was correct. His feet are tired/fish are biting him/the underwater rocks are too hot to stand on.
Well swimming for a fishman should be way, way less tiring than it would be for a human. Seeing as how they get an insane power boost in water and are used to/built for the activity. Not that it matters all that much either but i don't think he carried anyone. He just swam beside their raft no?
There's still a matter of how he even got to NW. Coating him would be a pretty big job. Especially if it's being done in a spitting distance from marine HQ. If we assume Rayleigh is one of the best coaters, and the best he could do with Sunny was 3 days, then SJW would require twice as long, minimum.
My guess would be that he simply climbed over it like Fisher Tiger did.
I mean the red line is not quite that enormous for a guy that size.
In case any of you wonders how a sunny-mecha could work or look like, I did a little sketch of how I imagine that thing:
[hide]http://s32.postimg.org/e5po79191/Sunny_Shogun.jpg[/hide]I hope that link works. If not, please let me know it.
That's pretty good. Not that i'm qualified to judge these things, but i'd say you got some talent.
And yes i could totally see a thing like that climbing up San Juan to stab him in the neck
In case any of you wonders how a sunny-mecha could work or look like, I did a little sketch of how I imagine that thing:
[hide]http://s32.postimg.org/e5po79191/Sunny_Shogun.jpg[/hide]I hope that link works. If not, please let me know it.
That is totally suuuper.
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That's pretty good. Not that i'm qualified to judge these things, but i'd say you got some talent.And yes i could totally see a thing like that climbing up San Juan to stab him in the neck
Thanks, I did it pretty rushy and sketchy, but at the same time I tried to draw it as odaish as possible (though I screwed up the figurehead).
For the Sunny's references I used the SBS-section of vol. 46 (Sunny-go-Special, beautiful sketches of all the Sunny's interior and co).
And even SJW, the Sunny-Shogun's opponent is impressed!
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That is totally suuuper.
16 characters of Thanks a lot!
Man what great discussion. I guess I never really thought about it that much but I always did wonder how Oda would handle Mihawk and Shiliew/Shyru(what's the official spelling?) Props to Monkey King and then Robby for taking it further.
I know I'm going to go to a convention and discuss One Piece with others and bring up Shiryu as Zoro's final opponent and just like Jinbe back in like 2011(or well before Fishman Island ended anyway) I know everyone is going to gang up on me with the opposite opinion. No worries though, just like with Jinbe I know eventually years down the line there are going to be like 20 men and women reading One Piece thinking "wow that guy from the convention was right and boy was he handsome!"
I don't think Mihawk's gonna be alive by the end of the series. Shiliew is the swordsman of the BB Pirates. My guess is Shiliew somehow kills Mihawk or "steals" his swordsmanship through a DF or something. Stupid theory that doesn't belong here, but I'm pretty sure Mihawk will be to Zoro what Shanks is to Luffy. Teacher that will likely die.
I could've sworn I posted the Shiliew/Mihawk post above prior to last year, but whatevs. Yeah, I never thought that Zoro would get to have his one on one with Mihawk. Same with Luffy meeting Shanks (which I'm sure I mentioned a few years back). If I were a betting man, I'd say Zoro will have to earn his title without beating Mihawk and Luffy will have to put Shanks hat on his grave if he wants to give it back. It just makes more sense that way.
You're basing all this on a lot of assumptions and setting yourself up for some heartache when your idea of a perfect story doesn't come to fruition.
You keep saying this without looking at or considering any of the ample evidence and logic. It's like you saw us saying things like "that's fanfiction" and are just blandly parroting it without understanding what you're doing or how it applies.
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I could've sworn I posted the Shiliew/Mihawk post above prior to last year, but whatevs. Yeah, I never thought that Zoro would get to have his one on one with Mihawk. Same with Luffy meeting Shanks (which I'm sure I mentioned a few years back). If I were a betting man, I'd say Zoro will have to earn his title without beating Mihawk and Luffy will have to put Shanks hat on his grave if he wants to give it back. It just makes more sense that way.
Yes Bobloblaw, you were our inspiration for this theory we just posted about for the first time ourselves.
I could've sworn I posted the Shiliew/Mihawk post above prior to last year, but whatevs. Yeah, I never thought that Zoro would get to have his one on one with Mihawk. Same with Luffy meeting Shanks (which I'm sure I mentioned a few years back). If I were a betting man, I'd say Zoro will have to earn his title without beating Mihawk and Luffy will have to put Shanks hat on his grave if he wants to give it back. It just makes more sense that way.
Can you elaborate on this Luffy/hat/grave thingy?
