Chapter 818: In The Whale
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@Mr.:
Scumpanda copies off Stream now, so you'll have to wait for Stream to post for a legible translation.
Yeah, Panda Needs to stamp every single page with their logo.
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So about those complaining about Zou, can you really say Zou isn't a great arc, this one chapter alone was a game changer.
People are complaining about Zou? wtf is this now, Timeskip syndrome ? people just complain about fucking everything after the Timeskip? just because Dragon Ball and Naruto and other series turned into shit after their timeskip it seems we now have a group of people that because One Piece did it it is now bad every other week… I'll just keep not looking at the thread like I usually do, I seriously didn't know people were complaining about Zou.
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I'd rather not ruin the chapter for me with such an awful translation…
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Hoo boy, this translation does not look too good
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Aohige, sandman, CCC…Anyone HELP!
Don't know if the raw of that part is available but the full raw chapter script from here shows the line in question being:
錦えもん「おでん様は……!!! 処刑され申した!!!」
「ワノ国の”将軍”と海賊『カイドウ』の手によって!!!」
Wa no Kuni no "Shogun" to kaizoku『Kaido』no te ni-yotte. With "Shogun" and 『Kaido』 being in different quotations and the normal interpretation being that they're two separate people. I'm no expert though. /shrug
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So we now know Wano is enemy land, so when they go there they must be battle ready. Samurais left from there to save mom's life and hide on Zou.
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When Kin'emon said that the shogun and pirate Kaido killed Oden, did that mean Kaido is the shogun, or is the shogun a different person asked with Kaido?
Anyways, I'm glad we got some focus on the thing the series is named after. The four Poneglyphs give One Piece a real endgame that's not just "sail until we get to the end" and actually give the Straw Hats a reason to beat the two Yonko other than "I'm just gonna beat them up to prove my superiority"
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Being honest, I'm not too hot of the idea of Kaido working with some nasty politician kind of guy. I'm already too bummed with those Tenryubitos.
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Bruh :ninja:
http://i.imgur.com/qtx28Tk.jpgIt makes sense, but I wonder if WG would use Raftel as their symbol, all things considered.
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Could ''Mariejois' national treasure '' Doflamingo was talking about, be the 4th Poneglyph?I mean ,such knowledge would easily induce the WG to grant him special rights .
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Being honest, I'm not too hot of the idea of Kaido working with some nasty politician kind of guy. I'm already too bummed with those Tenryubitos.
Maybe not a politician, but actually a capable warrior. Someone for the natives to beat while SH get it on with Kaido's gang.
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Could ''Mariejois' national treasure '' Doflamingo was talking about, be the 4th Poneglyph?I mean ,such knowledge would easily induce the WG to grant him special rights .
I think he was talking about Uranus.
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@uniaka:
But Wano is enemy land now, they would walk in Kaidou's nest.
I'm sure there are MANY on Wano that would side with Momo. Wouldn't be as one-sided as you think.
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Hey wait a second…isn't one of the earliest One Piece songs titled "World's Number One Oden Store?"
ODA ALWAYS PLANS AHEAD YOU GAIZ
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@Kaido:
When Kin'emon said that the shogun and pirate Kaido killed Oden, did that mean Kaido is the shogun, or is the shogun a different person asked with Kaido?
Anyways, I'm glad we got some focus on the thing the series is named after. The four Poneglyphs give One Piece a real endgame that's not just "sail until we get to the end" and actually give the Straw Hats a reason to beat the two Yonko other than "I'm just gonna beat them up to prove my superiority"
nobody knows until we get a better translation..i think kaido IS the shogun..the big "reveal style" panel wouldn't make sense otherwise
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Could ''Mariejois' national treasure '' Doflamingo was talking about, be the 4th Poneglyph?I mean ,such knowledge would easily induce the WG to grant him special rights .
I was thinking the same thing but then i changed my mind since it would have been there when doflamingo was a kid but doflamingo was seen at roger's execution and if the world govt had taken it then it would have been after roger died to stop other people finding raftel after his one piece speech.
i still think its the ancient weapon uranus after the people up there are assholes lol also plus roger moved the anicent weapon from albastia to raftel which is why crocodile could not find it ,
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Could ''Mariejois' national treasure '' Doflamingo was talking about, be the 4th Poneglyph?I mean ,such knowledge would easily induce the WG to grant him special rights .
i'm on this ship, yes we don't know for sure. but after this revelation WG have a red Poneglyph sounds very good.
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knowing 3 points would be suffice…just add the points to make a triangle and Raftel will be on longest arm..
Lol
That is one way to look at it and that would make life a whole lot easier for the SHs but come on, who would want to do streneous pre-calculus when you could have an awesome adventure for that extra Road Poneglyph/corner instead? :P
Also didn't he say once all 4 of these poneglyphs have been found, the island will appear/rise up?
They are probably like keys, if you don't find/observe all of them you can't open the door even if you know its location.
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Maybe the 4 islands locations have some kind of giant alarm bell that wakes some underwater sleeping turtle.
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Great chapter! The whole plot is slowly becoming clearer and I am loving the direction that it is going. I always wondered why the island was never found, and this seems to explain it!
Also didn't he say once all 4 of these poneglyphs have been found, the island will appear/rise up?
They are probably like keys, if you don't find/observe all of them you can't open the door even if you know its location.
Yeah that is what I am thinking as well. There has to be a reason that all 4 must be found otherwise why have 4.. that just increases the chances of someone collecting 3 and finding Raftel.
I think that the government probably has the last one.. I was hoping that the 4th was going to be addressed this chapter but of course not.
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Damn that translation was disgusting. It even made scum panda look good. At least it wasn't for ad revenue.
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Well, I guess these discussions about whether Kaido is the Shogun will keep going for a while then…
By Wano's Shogun AND Pirate Kaido lord oden was executed so it clearly clearly says they're different people also it seems some of the pages were done by different people since the first pages have typos/spelling mistakes but then the later pages of the chapter get better with the translation.
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Bruh :ninja:
http://i.imgur.com/qtx28Tk.jpgi kinda remember that somewhere was explained that the world govt. symbol represents the 4 seas (north, south, east, west) + the grand line
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It's really weird none of the Emperors has shown any interest in Robin so far, as many pointed out. You would expect at least Doflamingo to say something about this or at least hint. Oda can circumvent that by saying it is an information so well kept that even Kaidou and Big Mom's closest underlings don't know about it.
On the other hand, Inuarashi and Nekomamushi know each of the two Yonkou got their hands on one of the Road Poneglyph. So at least a good part of all this is well known. -
But now it is in the open, we can be sure suddenly Robin will become a target and that may finally give the excuse Jack needed to go back to Zou. If he is aware of her importance to Kaidou, he may want to capture her once Ginrummy tells him the SH are in Zou.
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I hate to say, but now Wano and Raftel are connected, I can easily see this leading to one of the Samurai joining the crew and having a dream related to that. If it has to go that way, at least I hope it is Momo. As much as I love Kanjurou drawings, he and the other two samurai pretty much share the exact same (and bland) personality, not really something I would like to see around for too long.
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Unbreakable sword coming for Zoro during Wano arc? Sure thing.
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Everyone saying "you could find Raftel with just 2/3 locations" seem to be ignoring something: we don't know what exactly the Road Poneglyphs say.
They don't have a drawn map, that's for sure, or anyone could read them not only those who can read the text parts. However the location of those "4 guide points" is given, is through text. Longitude/latitude coordinates? OP universe doesn't seem to use anything as precise. So, who knows, maybe each poneglyph has a hint of a location and you need all the four to understand what they are trying to say. -
I can't wait to see the day when Buggy's background as a member of Roger's crew will be used seriously.
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Redon pointed this out in the spoiler thread:
Would definitely make sense
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Maybe not a politician, but actually a capable warrior. Someone for the natives to beat while SH get it on with Kaido's gang.
Yeah, hopefully this will be the case… I'm thinking less like a Tenryuubitou and more like Boa Hancock(or to a lesser extent, the Happo guys).
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i kinda remember that somewhere was explained that the world govt. symbol represents the 4 seas (north, south, east, west) + the grand line
the world govt's main base is in the center of the world and have easy access to the blues and the both parts of the grand line even the kings from the blues use them for easy access to get around the world like when noland used them to get to the grand line.
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This chapter just laid the roadmap for the myth arc and foreshadowing of the final showdown. Not to mention it makes me doubt if Blackbeard will be the final villain since this revelation puts more importance on Kaido and Big Mom.
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@.access:
- Unbreakable sword coming for Zoro during Wano arc? Sure thing.
That would certainly be logical and a good idea. But two swords from Wano? More likely the one he has would be like that, but also, it sounds like it would be made of stone, which would be odd.
Poneglyphs sure would be cool to see Luffy wrap his hand/arm around and start flinging around to smash people, though. Somewhat possible later. -
This chapter just laid the roadmap for the myth arc and foreshadowing of the final showdown. Not to mention it makes me doubt if Blackbeard will be the final villain since this revelation puts more importance on Kaido and Big Mom.
Blackbeard is a "D", of course he's going to be.
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Blackbeard is a "D", of course he's going to be.
A big D with an interest in Uranus, I'm sure :ninja:
I held back earlier, I couldn't resist twice. -
@.access:
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I hate to say, but now Wano and Raftel are connected, I can easily see this leading to one of the Samurai joining the crew and having a dream related to that. If it has to go that way, at least I hope it is Momo. As much as I love Kanjurou drawings, he and the other two samurai pretty much share the exact same (and bland) personality, not really something I would like to see around for too long.
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Roger=Luffy
Oden=Momo
It's not a farfetched theory… -
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Kaidou, Doflamingo or Big Mom not showing any interest in Robin(yet) isn't such big deal. Two insanely huge organizations with a large influence in the world went down(in part) while trying to exploit her talents. So it's not as if we've never treaded those waters before.
Because of Crocodile and Enies Lobby, I could EASILY see why Doflamingo wouldn't go out of his way to seek her out. To a certain extent the same can be said for Big Mom and Kaidou, the Straw Hats only just got to the New World where they are in reach. I know Emperors do travel out of the New World from time to time but there is probably more important things to deal with on their own territory. Of course any one of them could send out a powerful warrior across the sea to find the Straw Hats, but taking into account what happened to Crocodile, Moriah and Enies Lobby, any smart pirate would think twice. There is no guarantee of actually finding them on the open sea as well.
Now then, if we take into account this chapter and the last chapter, Robin isn't/wasn't the only one in the world with a strong connection to the Poneglyphs who could decipher them. If Kaido and Doffy are aware of the Wano history, do they know that Momo can't decipher the language that his father knew? That could be a major reason in why they were being hunted in the first place. I mean Momo pretty certainly could hear the Poneglyph calling out to him after all.
Lastly we have the voice of all things. How known is this ability? Roger had it, Luffy has it and potentially Momo and his father. I'm willing to bet that other big shots in the world know that Robin isn't the sole being in the world that can aid in deciphering the Poneglyphs. And to them it was probably more trouble than its worth to go after her, at least until now.
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On another note, I don't really get the hate Zou is getting; one moment, in Punk Hazard & Dressrosa, people are disappointed by One Piece's lack of adventure factor. Then, when people finally get said adventure factor at Zou, they want action to happen, and complain again. And, when I think about it, the actual complaints about there being no conflict or action are stupid too: things like the full moon plot line, the Catviper-Stormdog contention, and the very real possibility of Jack returning say otherwise (Oda wouldn't have shown him in relatively good shape last chapter if that wasn't the case). Just because the conflict isn't front and center, does not mean it isn't there. Just give Oda some time to set up Zou and then you can knock on the plot. Dressrosa and all arc before it, were (generally) treated in that manner; why shouldn't Zou?
I'm no Oda apologist: Fishman Island, the 'running' part of Punk Hazard, and the bad of Dressrosa were rather poorly executed. I just think Zou is delivering (so far that is), and I think people should wait until it is mostly finished to critique it.
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I have only looked at the pictures because I don't trust the translation, but the amount of people saying three points are enough to find Raftel is too damn high. That's not how it works. With four points of reference on a sphere there are six locations where the lines intersect.
[hide][/hide]Take one of those points away and you don't have any indicator where on the remaining three lines Raftel is supposed to be. You can't even "simply" sail along all of them due to the harsh navigation circumstances on the Grand Line and the New World.
[hide][/hide]Point is, you NEED all four of them and even then you can't be too sure. Of course I may be overthinking it (studying Math btw, might explain it) and Raftel could be simply in the center of the four, but even then you'd have to navigate the whole triangle if you choose to ignore the last Poneglyph. That, again, proves to be very dangerous in the New World.
After rereading the first post I should add: The distances from each point to one another don't have be be equal in measure. Raftel isn't necessarily in the dead center between two chosen points. In my last image, the remaining Poneglyph could be either above or to the right/left side of the triangle, each resulting in a different intersection. Which is exactly why you'd have to seach in the entire triangle including its sides to find it. And what if the last Poneglyph lies in the dead center?
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Oh, shit, I just thought of something that could be really bad, guys.
I assumed that Sabo making a vivre card for Luffy was gonna come back in a good way and be useful, and I imagine it still will at some point. But if Luffy and co. are the first group to figure out where Raftel is, and they start heading there, other people won't have to be able to read/hear the poneglyph to figure out the clues. If they find out about Luffy going there, all they'd have to do is get a piece of his vivre card and use it to follow him there. Which means that they'd have to steal it from someone who currently has one, so anyone who took a piece so far (Sabo, Bellamy, and all seven Grand Fleet divisions) could be in danger just by having it. And then, if somebody does attack one or more of them and steal it, Luffy and the others may end up leading somebody really bad right to Raftel. Final battle there, then?
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I have only looked at the pictures because I don't trust the translation, but the amount of people saying three points are enough to find Raftel is too damn high. That's not how it works. With four points of reference on a sphere there are six locations where the lines intersect.
[hide]http://i.imgur.com/JIAPTC1.jpg[/hide]Take one of those points away and you don't have any indicator where on the remaining three lines Raftel is supposed to be. You can't even "simply" sail along all of them due to the harsh navigation circumstances on the Grand Line and the New World.
[hide]http://i.imgur.com/GGnR7ot.jpg[/hide]Point is, you NEED all four of them and even then you can't be too sure. Of course I may be overthinking it (studying Math btw, might explain it) and Raftel could be simply in the center of the four, but even then you'd have to navigate the whole triangle if you choose to ignore the last Poneglyph. That, again, proves to be very dangerous in the New World.
NICE art showing that! Way fancier than mine.
But mine is basically going by the idea that the art shown in the manga was roughly how it would be. Basically the most obvious scenarios. It also seems like the poneglyph describes a location in particular, like an island that's there in the grand line and would be near it. And given that this is the same chapter that they're talking about the Poneglyph translation, I don't have any reason to think anything else would be more likely. But we'll see.
Also, keep in mind Raftel has to be at the end of the grand line, or we've been fed more lies :ninja: -
Great chapter, just waiting for better translation like everyone else.
Before this I thought the big secret under Mariejoa was an ancient weapon, but now I think it is the 4th LP.. SH will beat Kaido and Big Mom and find out the 4th is with the WG. This means a pre-showdown against the marines and WG, and probably Luffy x Akainu
I missed Zoro in this chapter, I think he would have something to say about Raftel, about Sanji and about Luffy becoming PK
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I gotta say that Oda is going to brew one epic showdown between powers in this world, and Doffy wasn't kidding about a storm rising ahead.
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@Gia:
Redon pointed this out in the spoiler thread:
Would definitely make sense
Damn, that's right, it would make sense.
But the timeline presents an issue, considering this supposedly happened during FI arc. What would Oden be doing on the other side of the world while his land is in danger and he's supposedly dead? One more mystery I guess.
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Considering the shogun's name was not given then probably the later.
sandman implies they're two different people.
Chapter title: Inside Whale
Cover story: Baltigo
Sabo, Koala and Dragon are watching bounty poster(s)Whale Forest is sacred because of the red Poneglyph. It is called "Lord Poneglyph", which can lead people to Raftel. There are 4 Lord Poneglyphs. Each one indicates a spot somewhere other than Raftel. If people connect lines among those spots, the whereabouts of Raftel is supposed to be revealed.
Luffy is excited and says he will bring back Sanji soon.
Kaidou and Big Mom have Lord Poneglyphs, but nobody knows where the last Lord Poneglyph is located.
Nekomamushi says there is no need to snatch Lord Poneglyphs from Yonkou and suggests to secretly collect the copies.
Kouzuki clan are stone masons for a very long time. They made Poneglyphs. How to read/write the Poneglyphs has been handed down from generation to generation until Momonosuke's father was executed by Kaidou and Shogun of Wano.
According to Kanjuro, Oden Kouzuki (Momonosuke's father) arrived at Raftel with Roger and understood the secret of the world.
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Robin is stellar this chapter~ Bit of crew bonding there~
I have only looked at the pictures because I don't trust the translation, but the amount of people saying three points are enough to find Raftel is too damn high. That's not how it works.
Yeah, this is not a generally smart forum apparently. These people would never make it as New World pirates smh
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Robin is stellar this chapter~ Bit of crew bonding there~
Yeah, this is not a generally smart forum apparently. These people would never make it as New World pirates smh
Or else we're smart enough to know that "raftel is at the end of the grand line" doesn't mean across the world :ninja: And believe the manga
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This chapter has put me on the "Straw Hats won't fight on Zou" bandwagon. We just had drawn out Dressrosa and are about to directly conflict one or two emperors. Plus the minks have been through a lot already. Dog and Cat are dumping plot on us like Rayleigh
With Zou having a poneglyph that Kaidou is interested in, that sounds really, really, REALLY, unlikely.
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This chapter just laid the roadmap for the myth arc and foreshadowing of the final showdown. Not to mention it makes me doubt if Blackbeard will be the final villain since this revelation puts more importance on Kaido and Big Mom.
blackbeard will be the fight at raftel and he will kill shanks and his crew the 4th could be on one of shanks islands and catrina devon might be able to read them as well since she was in level 6.
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So all theories are panning out.
Kaidou took over Wano or is partnering with the Shogun in some capacity. Momo is a important piece politically to it and it was lie that he's the son of kinemon. I had hoped kinemon was still his father b/c they're adorable together, but it never made sense plot wise.
So it seems oden is either still alive and getting tortured or he's dead and momo will be the next shogun b/c Luffy will take out the current one. Another empire will align with Luffy. All he needs is to save the Whitebeard pirates and giants, and Luffy will have an army big enough to take on either Kaidou or big mam.
Red hair is another player, but I don't know how he'll come into play. Black beard is the more obvious one, he'll be at the end for luffy to take on (all signs point to this). His war with the revolutionaries and how that will play out is interesting. Dragon and his company seems too strong for just a yonkou to defeat, so they'll (the revolutionaries) be scattered most likely and will have their role during reverie still.
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~~@RomanceDawn:
Kaidou, Doflamingo or Big Mom not showing any interest in Robin(yet) isn't such big deal. Two insanely huge organizations with a large influence in the world went down(in part) while trying to exploit her talents. So it's not as if we've never treaded those waters before.
Everyone actually treats Robin very lightly. It doesn't make any sense the WG is not trying to actively hunt down the SH. They destroyed a whole country to avoid the knowledge about the void century from leaking, and now that Robin's location and affiliation is known, they simply don't give a damn.
The only time the WG tried to get her after she joined the SH was Lucci coincidentally crossing paths with her while spying on W7. But it was not as if they were looking for her, it was just luck she fell into their laps.Now that she became a pirate, she should have a HUGE bounty on her head. Luffy should have a HUGE bounty just because he was the one housing her. And the WG should have admirals and Shichibukai on the SH's tail to make sure Robin would be captured.
Doflamingo had the senior vice-admiral Otsuru hunting him exclusively, aside from a Commander hidden among his ranks, and that just because he was this dangerous person. But the crew keeping the only oharan safe is out there, without getting any special attention…~~ -
This is some good information to digest. So there is 4 Road Poneglyphs with 2 protected by Yonkos. The 1st Road Poneglyph was actually easy for the Strawhats to locate. I am thinking each Road Poneglyph after that will be more difficult than the last one especially the unknown one. And the 4 points make 2 line segments to form an X makes sense but it could make 2 Xs not just 1 X. Think about like this. Example would be if the 4 locations were at the North Pole, South Pole, East Pole(if it existed) and West Pole(if it existed). The Equator and Prime Meridian are the lines that form the Xs and they intersect twice.
I think every Strawhat is going to the Tea Party(Zou could travel there) but not all of them will be in the Sneaking Party. I also believe some of the Minkmen will go as well for sneaking, plot, and humor. And is the Alice in Wonderland theme still speculated to be apart of the Tea Party?
Tea Party Sneaking Party(May be split into multiple groups as suggested)
Luffy–>Main Protagonist
Robin-->Only one who can read Poneglyphs; Stealthy; Vinsmoke intel
Brook-->Vinsmoke intel; Drinks Tea
Pekoms-->Show the way to Cake Island and/or Tea Party
Wano Kouzuki Retainers-->Road Poneglyphs; Kin'emon repay Sanji; Kin'emon DF power of disguises; Ninjutsu; Kitsune no Yomeiri(fox's wedding)
Carrot-->Looks interesting?
Pedro-->Conceal presence; Repay Sanji
Sicilian-->BACKBONE!; Hates sweets; Repay debthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice's_Adventures_in_Wonderland
Alice in Wonderland if applied
Alice–>?
Queen of Hearts-->Big Mom
White Rabbit-->Carrot(herald=Bird's Ruler)?; Goes ahead of everyone else
The Hatter-->Brook
March Hare-->?
The Dormouse-->Zoro?
Chesire Cat-->Nekomamushi
Flamingo-->Doflamingo Donquixote
Bill the Lizard-->Snakeneck
Catepillar-->Vinsmoke(Sanji?)
Mock Turtle-->PekomsAnd stonemason for nakama?:ninja: