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Wow. I think I was maybe lurking then but don't remember the outcome. Why did it go from Kitsune/Kyuubi fruit to Fuku Fuku fruit? Turning into a fox spirit fits more I think.

Because Kin'emon has never turned into a fox spirit or whatever before.

If people like Kaku can do that minutes after eating their fruit, then Kin'emon doesn't really have an excuse. In other words, he's just a Paramecia.

BeariousJones

Because Kin'emon has never turned into a fox spirit or whatever before.

If people like Kaku can do that minutes after eating their fruit, then Kin'emon doesn't really have an excuse. In other words, he's just a Paramecia.

Kin'emon hasn't even really been in a fight yet that the reader saw. There HAS to be more to his DF powers besides just changing clothes. How do you use that in a fight? Has any other DF power not had a purpose in battle? Hell, if it was just clothes changing it might be the most useless DF power for enhancing one's ability in a fight. So in rebuttal, Mythical Zoan.

PS: I can't wait for when all 3 Wano Kouzuki retainers SHOW and NAME their DF powers. To wait this long probably means we are in for a treat.

KageKageKing

Kin'emon hasn't even really been in a fight yet that the reader saw. There HAS to be more to his DF powers besides just changing clothes. How do you use that in a fight? Has any other DF power not had a purpose in battle? Hell, if it was just clothes changing it might be the most useless DF power for enhancing one's ability in a fight. So in rebuttal, Mystical Zoan.

Rocinante says hi.

King Cannon

Kin'emon hasn't even really been in a fight yet that the reader saw. There HAS to be more to his DF powers besides just changing clothes. How do you use that in a fight? Has any other DF power not had a purpose in battle? Hell, if it was just clothes changing it might be the most useless DF power for enhancing one's ability in a fight. So in rebuttal, Mystical Zoan.

PS: I can't wait for when all 3 Wano Kouzuki retainers SHOW and NAME their DF powers. To wait this long probably means we are in for a treat.

Kin'emon has been shown in two battles so far, and in both times, he could have transformed.

Remember when he ran away from Shinokuni? Or the Marines in Dressrosa? Good opportunity to run into a faster animal, but nope. His fruit is just one of those with limited battle use like Mr. 2's, Rocinante's or Mansherry's.

The closest this ability has to battle application is making armor, really.

Lazy_Monkey

@KageKageKing:

Rocinante says hi.

Wouldn't Rocinante's devil fruit powers be able to cancel observation haki??

King Cannon

@Lazy_Monkey:

Wouldn't Rocinante's devil fruit powers be able to cancel observation haki??

Theoretically, but CoO appears to be more about aura sighting.

And even then, he's not the only example as seen by Mansherry.

KageKageKing

@Lazy_Monkey:

Wouldn't Rocinante's devil fruit powers be able to cancel observation haki??

Even if that would be the case, not really battle-oriented.

sanji''s_dad

@Lazy_Monkey:

Wouldn't Rocinante's devil fruit powers be able to cancel observation haki??

I don't know about that since haki seems to be the counter to devil fruits but he can stop people being heard like when he touched law even though he was screaming in the treasure chest they could not hear him so he could touch people so that they can not hear each other he just needs the invisible fruit to allow him to sneak up to people and use it without them knowing since its not like they're getting a serious attack so they're less likely of noticing it having it used on the leader in a battle can stop them giving long distance orders they don't have the internet or phone texting they seem to do most of them by snail phone or in person.

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Kin'emon hasn't even really been in a fight yet that the reader saw. There HAS to be more to his DF powers besides just changing clothes. How do you use that in a fight? Has any other DF power not had a purpose in battle? Hell, if it was just clothes changing it might be the most useless DF power for enhancing one's ability in a fight. So in rebuttal, Mythical Zoan.

PS: I can't wait for when all 3 Wano Kouzuki retainers SHOW and NAME their DF powers. To wait this long probably means we are in for a treat.

He used his power to pretend to be Doflamingo which actually fooled them until they called the real Doflamingo up on snail phone he could turn into the boss and get them to hand their treasure over or give them them orders or knock them out/kill them since they don't expect their leader to attack them.

if you have people chasing after you then changing how you look is useful even more so since he can do more than cloths but he still wears it.

BeariousJones

Kin'emon has been shown in two battles so far, and in both times, he could have transformed.

Remember when he ran away from Shinokuni? Or the Marines in Dressrosa? Good opportunity to run into a faster animal, but nope. His fruit is just one of those with limited battle use like Mr. 2's and Rocinante's.

Yes and he also fought Law off panel and Brook. Doesn't mean he doesn't have a power just because he didn't use it for the reader to see. His DF also isn't named. Why would Oda hide that Kin'emon's DF name is Fuku Fuku no Mi or whatever else Paramecia? I don't see the point of the suspense unless it is unexpected or great power.

Mr. 2's power is probably way better now post timeskip. It probably goes beyond just changing faces now. Just speculation though. What would his awakened power be? :blink:

Rocinante's power actually was useful in battle. Not being able to hear normal sounds in a fight is probably very disorienting(if you aren't already deaf). And we don't know how much mastery Rocinante had over his DF powers. I think we shall see in the future with someone else eating the Nagi Nagi no Mi how powerful it can be.

The closest this ability has to battle application is making armor, really.

Now that is something Kin'emon should have done. This could be used in battle but maybe he can't for some reason. Only cloth or nonmetal fabrics perhaps?

sanji''s_dad

Yes and he also fought Law off panel and Brook. Doesn't mean he doesn't have a power just because he didn't use it for the reader to see. His DF also isn't named. Why would Oda hide that Kin'emon's DF name is Fuku Fuku no Mi or whatever else Paramecia? I don't see the point of the suspense unless it is unexpected or great power.

Mr. 2's power is probably way better now post timeskip. It probably goes beyond just changing faces now. Just speculation though. What would his awakened power be? :blink:

Rocinante's power actually was useful in battle. Not being able to hear normal sounds in a fight is probably very disorienting(if you aren't already deaf). And we don't know how much mastery Rocinante had over his DF powers. I think we shall see in the future with someone else eating the Nagi Nagi no Mi how powerful it can be.

Now that is something Kin'emon should have done. This could be used in battle but maybe he can't for some reason. Only cloth or nonmetal fabrics perhaps?

a lot of devil fruits are not named right away this is not pokemon they don't have to say their devil fruit name to use its power however you normally get a extra clue on their devil fruit based on their laugh like whitebeard or their named attacks.

King Cannon

Yes and he also fought Law off panel and Brook. Doesn't mean he doesn't have a power just because he didn't use it for the reader to see. His DF also isn't named. Why would Oda hide that Kin'emon's DF name is Fuku Fuku no Mi or whatever else Paramecia? I don't see the point of the suspense unless it is unexpected or great power.

Mr. 2's power is probably way better now post timeskip. It probably goes beyond just changing faces now. Just speculation though. What would his awakened power be? :blink:

Rocinante's power actually was useful in battle. Not being able to hear normal sounds in a fight is probably very disorienting(if you aren't already deaf). And we don't know how much mastery Rocinante had over his DF powers. I think we shall see in the future with someone else eating the Nagi Nagi no Mi how powerful it can be.

Same reason he hides Kanjuro's or even Fujitora's. We know how they work, so there's no real surprise.

And really, it's not like the story doesn't have a good reason to keep the names hidden. Kin'emon doesn't even know what a DF is.

Now that is something Kin'emon should have done. This could be used in battle but maybe he can't for some reason. Only cloth or nonmetal fabrics perhaps?

He made armor for the Straw Hats before.

Bugs

Yes and he also fought Law off panel and Brook. Doesn't mean he doesn't have a power just because he didn't use it for the reader to see. His DF also isn't named. Why would Oda hide that Kin'emon's DF name is Fuku Fuku no Mi or whatever else Paramecia? I don't see the point of the suspense unless it is unexpected or great power.

The way Kinemon described it in chapter 663, he seemed unaware of what a devil fruit was (of course he wouldn't know it's name, he called it sorcery), which serves the purpose of reinforcing the idea that Wano is isolated and unknowledgeable about the outside world (after all, the amazons (minus the Gorgon sisters and probably Nyon) seemed unaware of what devil fruit were, as well, and they were certainly more connected to the larger world being pirates than Wano). There's no suspense, and there's not meant to be; it's world-building.

Mr. 2's power is probably way better now post timeskip. It probably goes beyond just changing faces now. Just speculation though. What would his awakened power be?

Bentham always had the power to do more than just faces. The first time he showed his power to the Strawhats, he revealed he also copied Nami's boobs.

Bond en Avant

@Bugs:

Bentham always had the power to do more than just faces. The first time he showed his power to the Strawhats, he revealed he also copied Nami's boobs.

And then, he used Nami's boobs again to seduce Hannyabal, as well as changing his entire body to match Magellan while in disguise.
The only thing he couldn't copy was Devil Fruit powers. That's something only the Copy Copy Fruit can do (non-canon Oda character).

Jabberwok

@Bond:

And then, he used Nami's boobs again to seduce Hannyabal, as well as changing his entire body to match Magellan while in disguise.
The only thing he couldn't copy was Devil Fruit powers. That's something only the Copy Copy Fruit can do (non-canon Oda character).

Bentham couldn't use his fighting techniques while transformed. Seems like the natural evolution of his power would involve the use of Okama Kenpo while transformed or the ability to copy others' non-DF fighting techniques while imitating them.

BeariousJones

@sanji''s_dad:

a lot of devil fruits are not named right away this is not pokemon they don't have to say their devil fruit name to use its power however you normally get a extra clue on their devil fruit based on their laugh like whitebeard or their named attacks.

A lot of Devil Fruits are not named? :wassat: You must mean a few. Most have been named in panels or said by some character. There might be…maybe 10-15 devil fruit users the reader has not been told of yet. (Guessing)
@King:

Same reason he hides Kanjuro's or even Fujitora's. We know how they work, so there's no real surprise.

And really, it's not like the story doesn't have a good reason to keep the names hidden. Kin'emon doesn't even know what a DF is.

He made armor for the Straw Hats before.

Just because Kin'emon doesn't know the name means WE the readers can't know?

And when did he make armor for them?
@Bugs:

The way Kinemon described it in chapter 663, he seemed unaware of what a devil fruit was (of course he wouldn't know it's name, he called it sorcery), which serves the purpose of reinforcing the idea that Wano is isolated and unknowledgeable about the outside world (after all, the amazons (minus the Gorgon sisters and probably Nyon) seemed unaware of what devil fruit were, as well, and they were certainly more connected to the larger world being pirates than Wano). There's no suspense, and there's not meant to be; it's world-building.

Bentham always had the power to do more than just faces. The first time he showed his power to the Strawhats, he revealed he also copied Nami's boobs.

Kin'emon knows he ate a fruit and now has these sorcery powers. He isn't that ignorant(I assume). Same with all the rest of Wano. The ones who ate fruit and are different now. I'm sure they communicated with each other.

I meant powers outside of copying faces/bodies/voices. Maybe powers(too much like chameleon?)?

Galaxy 9000

A lot of Devil Fruits are not named? :wassat: You must mean a few. Most have been named in panels or said by some character. There might be…maybe 10-15 devil fruit users the reader has not been told of yet. (Guessing)

He said there are a lot that weren't named instantly, like Doflamingo's for example.

And when did he make armor for them?

Presumably here:

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Yobiyopi

Kinemon DF is probably based around a Kitsune, but not necessarily in a zoan way to transform into one. Kitsunes in the japanese folklore have the abilities to shapeshift and deceive others, and Kinemon can already kinda do that with the clothes (like he did with the gag of him dressing as Doflamingo). He obviously hasn't shown the full potential, but i believe that his maximum power would allow him/others to shapeshift into something else (probably with his DF awakening?).

Bond en Avant

@Jabberwok:

Bentham couldn't use his fighting techniques while transformed. Seems like the natural evolution of his power would involve the use of Okama Kenpo while transformed or the ability to copy others' non-DF fighting techniques while imitating them.

I think the reason he couldn't use his techniques is because the body type is different. His Okama kenpo is a martial art after all, he's trained his body to be able to use it properly. I don't think he'd be able to use Zoro's Santoryu if he mimicked his body for example, since he's not trained in the art.

Jabberwok

@Bond:

I think the reason he couldn't use his techniques is because the body type is different. His Okama kenpo is a martial art after all, he's trained his body to be able to use it properly. I don't think he'd be able to use Zoro's Santoryu if he mimicked his body for example, since he's not trained in the art.

That's definitely the explanation. If a technique is a combination of physical ability and mental training, Bentham lacks the former for transformed Okama Kenpo and the latter for whatever person he's copying's techniques. If you were to expand upon his ability, though, one of those two could transfer over somehow.

King Cannon

A lot of Devil Fruits are not named? :wassat: You must mean a few. Most have been named in panels or said by some character. There might be…maybe 10-15 devil fruit users the reader has not been told of yet. (Guessing)

10-15 sounds like a lot actually. But it's actually 24.

From the wiki…

The following is a list of unnamed Devil Fruits.

Eustass Kid's unnamed Devil Fruit, which allows him to manipulate magnetic forces.

Jewelry Bonney's unnamed Devil Fruit, which allows her to manipulate the age of a person and herself. It is suggested that she can not manipulate the age of inanimate objects since her victim's clothing does not change.

Basil Hawkins's unnamed Devil Fruit, which allows him to create straw voodoo dolls and use them to redirect physical damage from his own body. Damage incurred by the dolls will be exhibited by those whom the doll represents. Hawkins can also transform into a straw-man. Kizaru stated that it is not a Logia.

Scratchmen Apoo's unnamed Devil Fruit which allows him to morph body parts into instruments and use music as a weapon.

X Drake's unnamed Devil Fruit, an Ancient Zoan which allows him to take the form of a dinosaur.

Urouge's unnamed Devil Fruit, which allows him to convert damage taken into strength, expanding muscles.

The unnamed Devil Fruit eaten by an unknown prisoner from Impel Down. It gave this person the ability to tunnel, and was used to create the secret floor between Level 5 and Level 6 of Impel Down, Level 5.5.

Minotaurus's unnamed Devil Fruit, an Awakened Zoan which allows him to take the form of a cow.

Minokoala's unnamed Devil Fruit, an Awakened Zoan which allows him to take the form of a koala.

Minozebra's unnamed Devil Fruit, an Awakened Zoan which allows him to take the form of a zebra.

Minorhinoceros's unnamed Devil Fruit, an Awakened Zoan which allows him to take the form of a rhinoceros.

Laffitte's unnamed disputable Devil Fruit, which allows him to form wings for flight.

Jozu's unnamed Devil Fruit, which allows him to turn into diamond.

Marco's unnamed Devil Fruit, a Mythical Zoan which allows him to transform into a phoenix.

Blamenco's unnamed Devil Fruit which lets him keep things such as a giant hammer in a pocket that is in his body.

Onigumo's unnamed Devil Fruit that lets him sprout spider-like arms from his back as well as grow a spider's abdomen.

Dalmatian's unnamed Zoan Devil Fruit which allows him to turn into a dalmatian.

Epoida's unnamed Zoan type Devil Fruit, which allows him to take the form of a caterpillar.

Pekoms's unnamed Zoan type Devil Fruit, which lets him transform into a tortoise.

Minochihuahua's unnamed Devil Fruit, an Awakened Zoan which allows him to take the form of a chihuahua.

Kin'emon's unnamed Devil Fruit which transforms small items placed on a person's head into something that can be used as a disguise (based on the user's imagination and memory) which lasts until removed. Kin'emon says it relates to sorcery.

Issho's unnamed Devil Fruit that gives him the ability to manipulate gravity.

Kanjuro's unnamed Devil Fruit that allows him to bring whatever he draws to life. Like Kin'emon, he refers to it as sorcery.

This is not counting Momo's.

By the way, we have 51 confirmed Paramecia, 18 Zoans and 11 Logia. That's 80 named fruits. We're actually over a 100 fruits.

BeariousJones

10-15 sounds like a lot actually. But it's actually 24.

From the wiki…

This is not counting Momo's.

By the way, we have 50 confirmed Paramecia, 18 Zoans and 11 Logia. That's 79 named fruits.

Wow. I did not expect that…at all. I was off...damn...I was thinking of putting 10-20 at first. But I would have still been wrong. :sad: Good job with the list.

But anyways how we define "a lot" is different. I think of it as a majority of the set which is 100+ as you pointed out. 26(Dragon and Raizo probably) is about a fourth(minority). But that's playing the semantics game especially since depending on what definition you choose.

sanji''s_dad

10-15 sounds like a lot actually. But it's actually 24.

From the wiki…

This is not counting Momo's.

By the way, we have 51 confirmed Paramecia, 18 Zoans and 11 Logia. That's 80 named fruits. We're actually over a 100 fruits.

They should add dragon's to the unnamed devil fruit list as well since its just the wiki so information does not have to be 100% correct and i think that its not kings haki (even though i think dragon does have kings haki) if anyone reads the chapter or watches the episode of dragon saving luffy in logue town they would think this as well he seems to have some sort of weather devil fruit so i will say 25 plus some of the marines have abilitys that could be a devil fruit as well such as the vice admiral that can make the spider arms but that could be like the cp9 guy that could control his hair plus now that its after the time skip we have been getting the names of devil fruits that were unnamed such as law,doflamingo,capone's,ect devil fruits.

Doflamingo's crew added a lot of names to the named devil fruit list as well since he had so many devil fruit users in his crew plus two former crew members law and his brother.

I think the filler anime/game non cannon to the story devil fruits are on the list as well.

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@Jabberwok:

That's definitely the explanation. If a technique is a combination of physical ability and mental training, Bentham lacks the former for transformed Okama Kenpo and the latter for whatever person he's copying's techniques. If you were to expand upon his ability, though, one of those two could transfer over somehow.

Exactly it depends on how well the user learns and trains to use the devil fruit for example even weaker zoan animals can most likely get faster recovery from damage with their awakened state (which shows Jack is most likely awakened his zoan which is why he recovered from the beat down from two admirals so fast) and even if the zoan user was just a mouse/insect form they could take advantage of the small size to spy or get away easier plus with awakened devil fruits powers no one can really say a devil fruit is useless anymore.

Tangaroa

I still wonder if Urouge is going to turn out to have an extreme martial artrather than a fruit. We've seen similar as recently as Lao-G and his 'Life Insurance' attack.

10-15 sounds like a lot actually. But it's actually 24.

From the wiki…

This is not counting Momo's.

By the way, we have 51 confirmed Paramecia, 18 Zoans and 11 Logia. That's 80 named fruits. We're actually over a 100 fruits.

sanji''s_dad

@Tangaroa:

I still wonder if Urouge is going to turn out to have an extreme martial artrather than a fruit. We've seen similar as recently as Lao-G and his 'Life Insurance' attack.

I think its the paramecia karma karma fruit since he gets stronger from taking damage which allows him to deal more damage back to his enemy as payback so if you don't attack he will not be as strong so it would be better to leave him as the last person you take out however he could tank damage that with his haki that other people are about to take like Marco did for whitebeard which would make him stronger even if people were not directly attacking him.

it would be nice for him to fight enel with enel laughing as he shocks him with his lightning fruit only to have urouge get stronger and stronger as he beats Enel down as Enel tries to take him out but he just keeps making urouge stronger would be good karma if Enel was the one that destroyed the sky island he was from which is why he named his pirate crew the fallen monk pirates.

Bond en Avant

@Tangaroa:

I still wonder if Urouge is going to turn out to have an extreme martial artrather than a fruit. We've seen similar as recently as Lao-G and his 'Life Insurance' attack.

That's what I've been thinking as well. Something similar to Life Return that Kumadori and Lucci used. The only reason I'd even consider it might be a Devil Fruit is because that's what a databook said (I don't really believe it yet).

Also, I think Marco's fruit name was revealed in an SBS? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Bugs

Kin'emon knows he ate a fruit and now has these sorcery powers. He isn't that ignorant(I assume). Same with all the rest of Wano. The ones who ate fruit and are different now. I'm sure they communicated with each other.

I should have worded my post better.

Of course, Kin'emon is aware that the fruit gave him power. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that "I have eaten a weird tasting fruit" + "I suddenly have gained strange powers that I didn't have before eating this fruit" = "The fruit has given me powers" (you just have to be smarter than Luffy as a kid). For me, that's not important or telling of anything regarding the lack of a name. What I do find so is that he calls it magic (as does Kanjuro for his power) and doesn't call the fruit a "devil fruit" (which is what I meant when I said he didn't know what a devil fruit was in my previous post). Mixed in with the general lack of knowledge of the outside world (like what people wear) and Wano's secluded nature, it's suggestive that he wouldn't be aware of say the devil fruit encyclopedia (which, unless Wano has its own form of rangaku, he would be unlikely to get his hands on before leaving the kingdom) and thus know his fruit's name. So Oda wouldn't have Kin'emon reveal it, but he could have a different character (like say one that is hunting Kin'emon and would know of his powers and is also more worldly) or Oda could reveal it himself in an SBS (much more likely now that all of members of the Wano party have been revealed).

The point is, there's nothing special about not knowing the name of Kin'emon's fruit.

sanji''s_dad

@Bond:

That's what I've been thinking as well. Something similar to Life Return that Kumadori and Lucci used. The only reason I'd even consider it might be a Devil Fruit is because that's what a databook said (I don't really believe it yet).

Also, I think Marco's fruit name was revealed in an SBS? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Marco's is called Marco the phoenix so pretty obvious that's what it was after he transformed but it was said in a sbs since i think oba talked about his powers in it like how his flames were healing and not hot or something like that lol.

BeariousJones

@Bugs:

The point is, there's nothing special about not knowing the name of Kin'emon's fruit.

I suppose. The ignorance of a DFs name does not mean the reader will not know the DFs base powers.

But, I mean if you know the fruit name you will know the power or at least be able to guess. And I believe for now that some(not all) DF names aren't stated immediately because of some plot development that requires it to be a secret. Like Fujitora…his DF power is speculated to might be in his sword. Or Pekoms...we know he has turtle powers...why has it not been announced? What is the delay?:blink:

sanji''s_dad

I suppose. The ignorance of a DFs name does not mean the reader will not know the DFs base powers.

But, I mean if you know the fruit name you will know the power or at least be able to guess. And I believe for now that some(not all) DF names aren't stated immediately because of some plot development that requires it to be a secret. Like Fujitora…his DF power is speculated to might be in his sword. Or Pekoms...we know he has turtle powers...why has it not been announced? What is the delay?:blink:

law uses his sword with his devil fruit as well and logia fruit users could put their element on their weapon such as sabo putting fire on his pipe we have seen a few devil fruit weapons but they have all been zoan devil fruits also it makes sense for it to be a zoan only thing since they animals so they are living and it would make zoan fruits more useful if luffy awakened his fruit he might be able to make a weapon expand if he was using one.

Kdom

I suppose. The ignorance of a DFs name does not mean the reader will not know the DFs base powers.

But, I mean if you know the fruit name you will know the power or at least be able to guess. And I believe for now that some(not all) DF names aren't stated immediately because of some plot development that requires it to be a secret. Like Fujitora…his DF power is speculated to might be in his sword. Or Pekoms...we know he has turtle powers...why has it not been announced? What is the delay?:blink:

There is no delay. It can be immediately as well as 100th of chapters later. Sometime it is even thanks to SBS and maybe in databooks too.

Bugs

I suppose. The ignorance of a DFs name does not mean the reader will not know the DFs base powers.

But, I mean if you know the fruit name you will know the power or at least be able to guess.

That's true for logias and zoan (Sengoku's is probably the exception). For paramecia, that's not always the case. I don't think anyone would have correctly guessed Kuma's power (paw paw) or Robin's (flower flower) based on name only, for example.

And I believe for now that some(not all) DF names aren't stated immediately because of some plot development that requires it to be a secret. Like Fujitora…his DF power is speculated to might be in his sword. Or Pekoms...we know he has turtle powers...why has it not been announced? What is the delay?:blink:

For Pekoms, we only saw his turtle/tortoise form once when Caribou attacked him in 652, and he's had very little screen time altogether. Maybe we'll learn it when the fighting starts on Zou.

sanji''s_dad

@Bugs:

That's true for logias and zoan (Sengoku's is probably the exception). For paramecia, that's not always the case. I don't think anyone would have correctly guessed Kuma's power (paw paw) or Robin's (flower flower) based on name only, for example.

For Pekoms, we only saw his turtle/tortoise form once when Caribou attacked him in 652, and he's had very little screen time altogether. Maybe we'll learn it when the fighting starts on Zou.

doflamingo called him sengoku the buddah during the first warlord meeting and said he was not living up to the title suggesting it was another reason he was called that.

Razh

@sanji''s_dad:

doflamingo called him sengoku the buddah during the first warlord meeting and said he was not living up to the title suggesting it was another reason he was called that.

It was said in reply to Sengoku saying how it's never good when pirate is doing well with business, or something like that. Translation wasn't much at the time.

Basically, Doflamingo is saying Sengoku is not as forgiving as his nickname Buddha suggests.

Doesn't have to mean there's a different reason his nickname is Buddha. Different than him being able to transform into a giant Buddha made of gold, I mean.

BellisarioFaith

All right, for anyone curious, the VIZ translation's out! A few things I noticed (if someone's already mentioned any of these, sorry):

The cover page, with the "One Piece Film: Gold" poster, does say "special art drawn by Oda" (the poster itself) rather than "written by Oda" (which implied the entire movie) like it said on MS. I think a few others may have mentioned this already.
VIZ also had it as "Kogetsu" last time but "Kozuki" this time for the name of Momo's clan. Same kanji, just a different reading for the second one. The kanji, 月, by itself is pronounced "tsuki", meaning "moon", but when you combine it with other kanji, it can change pronunciation; sometimes just a slight change from "tsuki" to "zuki", as is the latter case here (like how "tori" can become "-dori", hoshi can be "-boshi", "hana" can be "-ppana", etc. when combined with other kanji), or other times using the totally alternate "getsu" (like how, sometimes, "mizu" (water) becomes "sui", "naka" (inside, middle) becomes "chuu", or "me" (eye) becomes "gan", etc. when you mix them with other kanji). I guess Oda-sensei or his editors just changed the way you pronounce the name from the entirely alternate "getsu" reading to the slightly-changed "zuki", for unknown reasons, but it still means the same thing. /End Japanese lesson.
VIZ's version specifically implies that something's wrong with Momo's dad; Momo's line to Inu and Neko when he tells them to stop fighting is "Especially if the reason for your quarrel is Father!" in MS, but it's "Especially if what happened to Father is the cause!" in VIZ.
It's made pretty clear that Momo isn't just hearing Raizo's voice. He says, "The closer we get to the whale, the louder the 'voice' I hear", with "voice" in quotation marks.
The Naruto references are consistent, but changed to match the English versions; Raizo specifically calls his cloning technique "Shadow Clone Jutsu" (English anime's name for the technique), and the requests he gets use "Fire/Water/Earth Element" and "Doppelganger", which are used by the VIZ English manga of Naruto.

RomanceDawn

Questions:

1 - Cat Viper mentions "And it's only been a few months since then." Is he implying that the Samurai have been on the run for several months?

2 - Zoro asks Raizou to hide in the ceiling and get stabbed by a spear? What is that a reference to?

3 - The voice Momo is hearing is the Poneglyph most likely. Anyone else taking this as confirmation that we have 4 people who could hear the voice of all things? Roger, Luffy, Momo, Momo's dad.

BellisarioFaith

matamune just messaged me about the first question, too. Yeah, Cat Viper's line from VIZ is less vague than Mangastream's; he says "And it's only been a few months since then. I suppose the liveliness of those folks has been a blessing to him…" I'm guessing maybe he's talking about it being a few months since something happened to Oden (Momonosuke's dad), and that the Straw Hats' liveliness has been a good thing for Momo. In that case, yeah, I'd guess whatever happened with Oden happened a few months ago and the samurai group fled after that.

For the second question, someone made this post on Oro Jackson that sounded like a great explanation:
@The_Monster_Trio:

Guys, I solved the mystery of Zoro's strange call to Raizou "Hide in the ceiling and get pierced by a spear"!
I already found the phrase strange when I first read it, because it was too specific just to be random talk.
So I did some research and found that it relates to the Ninja called Kubo Uemon, whose story is told in the Bansenshukai,
an historic japanese book about the Ninja and their ways, often called "The Bible of Ninjutsu".

In there is a story about this ninja. In short, he had the mission to infiltrate a certain family's house, and manages to sneak himself in, and hid on the loft. But, at night, when he decided to move, someone was still awake and heard him. Then this person woke the master, who took a spear and stabbed it through the bamboo ceiling at where the sound came from. The spear hit Kubo's forehead, but he immediately grasped and wiped it claen with his sleeve before it was pulled back. The master concluded that what he hit couldn't be alive, as there was no blood on the spear's neck, and thus there was no threat. After everyone went back to sleep, Kubo Uemon came down and stabbed all the residents to death.
But, he retained a scar from the spear. This is especially interesting, because Raizou also seems to have a scar on the same place.
Look at his forehead:

Interesting to find out what kind of books out Goda reads in his free time
And he even takes the time to include references in his manga.
He's putting so much thought into One Piece and that's what we love him for!
But it's not like pop culture references are new to him

We'll see if Raizou's scar has a special meaning or backstory, too
Looking forward to the next chapters!

Hope you enjoyed this (long) bit of background interpretation

Credits to Oro Jackson member The_Monster_Trio for the above quote.

For the third question, I think yes. At the very least, we know Roger can, and this chapter heavily implied the same for Momo and Oden. Has it been confirmed for Luffy yet? If it hasn't, I hope it will be.

Galaxy 9000

2 - Zoro asks Raizou to hide in the ceiling and get stabbed by a spear? What is that a reference to?

Classic Ninja/Samurai movies. When someone is hiding in the ceiling, they get stabbed by a spear or similar weapon when someone suspects that they're there.

RamistaR

I remember seeing it in Gintama.

RomanceDawn

Wonderfull, thanks to you both.

Razh

Thanks for the info.

@BellisarioFaith:

In there is a story about this ninja. In short, he had the mission to infiltrate a certain family's house, and manages to sneak himself in, and hid on the loft. But, at night, when he decided to move, someone was still awake and heard him. Then this person woke the master, who took a spear and stabbed it through the bamboo ceiling at where the sound came from. The spear hit Kubo's forehead, but he immediately grasped and wiped it claen with his sleeve before it was pulled back. The master concluded that what he hit couldn't be alive, as there was no blood on the spear's neck, and thus there was no threat. After everyone went back to sleep, Kubo Uemon came down and stabbed all the residents to death.

Classic Kubo. :ninja:

! When did you start thinking you didn't hit anything alive?

BellisarioFaith

Wonderfull, thanks to you both.

@Razh:

Thanks for the info.

No problem! RomanceDawn's post also got me thinking: Do we know for sure yet if Luffy can hear the "voice of all living things" like Roger (and apparently, Momonosuke too), or is that something that's heavily speculated but not confirmed yet? (Was that what happened at Fishman Island with the sea kings? Don't remember that part very well.) I hope he can, because that would be awesome! Granted, Luffy doesn't need it for the poneglyphs because he has Robin instead. Still, I have to think that ability would be useful for more than just poneglyph-hearing, like if that is what happened with the sea kings. He does seem to have a way with animals, like with Surime (is that right?) and Ucy.

Jinbe10

Questions:

3 - The voice Momo is hearing is the Poneglyph most likely. Anyone else taking this as confirmation that we have 4 people who could hear the voice of all things? Roger, Luffy, Momo, Momo's dad.

That's what I understood too

RomanceDawn

@BellisarioFaith:

No problem! RomanceDawn's post also got me thinking: Do we know for sure yet if Luffy can hear the "voice of all living things" like Roger (and apparently, Momonosuke too), or is that something that's heavily speculated but not confirmed yet? (Was that what happened at Fishman Island with the sea kings? Don't remember that part very well.) I hope he can, because that would be awesome! Granted, Luffy doesn't need it for the poneglyphs because he has Robin instead. Still, I have to think that ability would be useful for more than just poneglyph-hearing, like if that is what happened with the sea kings. He does seem to have a way with animals, like with Surime (is that right?) and Ucy.

Yeah it's certain that Luffy has the same ability. I forget exactly but the Sea Kings talking about Luffy hearing them and Roger flash back more or less comparing the two pretty much confirms it.

Duffy with the animals is kind of weird. On one hand it seems like any animal can communicate and befriend anyone if they really wanted to. Though I could see it being mentioned somewhere down the line that Luffy's hearing the voice of all plays into how well he's able to make friends with animals.

When it was discovered that Luffy had this, I wondered if Roger was the only person to have it before and for a moment I wondered if Luffy now devalued Robin's abilities even if just slightly. Originally I thought well it doesn't matter because Luffy doesn't seek out Poneglyphs anyway, he just does't care. Now though its as if the Poneglyphs can literally call out to people like Luffy from a considerable distance even when behind walls. It's actually pretty cool and very creepy.

So now I think to myself, well at some point the glyphs will actually be calling out to Luffy and drawing him closer, encouraging him to listen to them. That still doesn't devalue Robin as she is just smarter but what if what Luffy hears and what Robin reads is slightly different? As in they read the same things but because of Luffy's super simple mind his "interpretation" of what is said to him by the stone it's self and what Robin translates is different?

So I guess what I'm getting at is Roger was(most likely) the only one in the crew who could hear the Poneglyphs, thus he would relay the message to the crew as he heard it. Remember according to Rayeigh there is something a little gray about the entire missing history. So what if Robin's super smart interpretations and Luffy's possible overly literal or almost silly interpretations lead the crew to a different conclusion to what Roger and his gang came to?

sanji''s_dad