Though i do welcome the possibility of a high-powered independent faction that's not affiliated with pirates or the WG.
Chapter 814: Let's go see Master Nekomamushi
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Oh god, Nekomamushi was freaking hilarious in this chapter! Also, I'm quite surprised that the Vinsmokes are a family of assassins instead of a world noble family. Very interesting I must say. :)
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Can't say I was expecting Sanji to be a Killua. Wonder what kind of terms his family is on with the WG since they were able to have his bounty poster altered. Really eager for more details about them, hopefully Brook and Robin can help clue us in a bit next chapter.
@Bond:
Aw man, Whale Forest Village is totally based on Minangkabau Architecture.
Just check out their royal palace:
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The Minangkabau ethnic group are indigenous to Sumatra. I've read that those curved roofs are supposed to emulate the horns of water buffalo. Indonesians and Malaysians rejoice! Our culture is now a part of One Piece!Whoa. That's actually really cool!
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Zoro isn't being stupid he's actually thinking(he's been pretty intelligent lately since the time-skip). He's making a point that there are also other Big Dogs who they have on there backs currently,.they choose a fight with Kaido by crushing Doffy. Now that Sanji wandered off they have to go get him back while being targeted by Kaido/Jack.
He did not wander of. He made a judgment call. A judgement call Zoro doesnt know shit about because he doesnt even know who the Vinesmokes are. Zoro maybe stronger, but it is obvious that Sanji is much smarter maybe the smartest in the crew not counting Robin being book smart.
Sanji reacted quick in an impossible situation. Saved his crewmates and took one for the team. He acted selfless and smart.
The fight with Big Mom was on anyway. If someone says Zoro made smart comments they have to, at least, say what Sanji should have done different.
From my POV Sanji did the best thing that could have possibly been done in the situation the swirlyhats were facing.
Zoro is stronger than Sanji. Sanji is much more observative, much smarter in terms of strategy and knowledge. That is what makes them equals in my view.
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Zoro isn't being stupid he's actually thinking(he's been pretty intelligent lately since the time-skip). He's making a point that there are also other Big Dogs who they have on there backs currently,.they choose a fight with Kaido by crushing Doffy. Now that Sanji wandered off they have to go get him back while being targeted by Kaido/Jack.
Actually, he is being stupid. Big Mom and Kaidou are both targeting the strawhats already. If Sanji didn't leave, then that means Big Mom sends the rest of her crew to deal with the strawhats. Sanji leaving, if anything, saved the crew from having to fight 2 yonkou at a time as now she won't attack them while he's there at the wedding.
Also they don't have to get him back, he did say he was going to return. So it's actually going against Sanji's wishes when they do show up at whole cake island. -
Assassins?! I knew this would be Enies Lobby 2.0, so pumped! … maybe this is why Oda is bringing Rob Lucci back. Maybe CP0 is recruiting for the new CP9 and want Vinsmokes alive!.... or maybe not hahaha
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Oh my god.I love this Nekomamushi…
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Can't say I was expecting Sanji to be a Killua. Wonder what kind of terms his family is on with the WG since they were able to have his bounty poster altered.
I assume that the WG just want him to get a hold on his family.
Either for blackmailing leverage or working under the assumption that he knows where they live.
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Zoro's a being logical and cautious, but it doesn't mean he's not being a dick. Luffy already declared war on Big Mom and Kaido's coming after him as a matter of circumstance. Zoro's been a real dick since the time skip.
Honestly, as long as Sanji is useful to Big Mom, that's something in their favor against Kaido.
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Now that you mention it, it really does feel a bit Malaysian/Indonesian-ish…
Also there are those coconut or palm trees everywhere......Ahh I am so touched, its not like we can see our country's culture often in manga (sheds a single tear of happiness)
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@uniaka:
Luffy himself was the one that picked a fight with 2 yonkous at the same time. He challenges Big mom, then he talked with law to take down Kaidou. They also send her a bomb and they had CC and attacked her ship. Kaidou is focused more to capture Doflamingo then the Straw Hats, not just kill them because they did something to him.
As long as the tea party and her daughter don't have a groom, then Big mom as we saw her overreact about some candy would hunt them down.
If Sanji goes to wedding they would be at peace with big mom and maybe even Kaidou would stay away from them if they found out they joined big mom.
If Kaidou kills the SH now, he won't get Doflamingo back. AS we saw, his interest is to take back Doflamingo and he also picked a war with other 4-5 supernovas( kid, killer, apoo, Hawkins, Urouge)
wait..am i missing something?
killing the mugiwara has nothing to do with retrieving doflamingo..he is with the marines now,and kaidou knows that since he sent jack to retrieve him.
also,he didn't pick fight with the supernovas..for what we know their encounter was a total coincidence after one of his several suicide attempts..we don't even know if they actually ended up fighting or hwe just left after that..he didn't seem particularly interested in them. -
well there's still a big difference between how hard kaidou would be looking for them the moment he knows they took down doflamingo and how really big mom was looking for them and had beef with them
don't forget that capone and pekoms mission was still "retrieve caesar and sanji"..nothing about killing the other members of the crew..something kaidou would definitely do.
of course this would change if they go to the lion's den and mess directly with her affairs.Also,zoro has been the first to realize,back in punk hazard,that there's isn't really much space to play around in the new world,and having their hands full with
I don't think there is a way to help Zoro here, he just came out as a jerk.
He simply has no idea what is behind Sanji's family or the deal with BM and still is trying to act as if he knows it better than anyone, especially the only person who actually knows one of the parts involved - Sanji himself. From what we can tell, he doesn't even know who the Vinsmoke are. It is like saying "fuck Robin, she decided to go on her own to Enies Lobby". At this point, you would expect each SH to trust each other judgement, everyone else seem to be able to do so.
As you said, BM's orders were not to harm the crew, but to bring Ceasar and Sanji. Now if Sanji refused, things would be much different. If anything, Sanji allowed them to NOT have two Yonkous at their feet at the same time.
I hope Oda at some point says that is how Zoro deals with the fact he is worried about Sanji, otherwise he should just shut.
EDIT: Despite that, I like the fact there were different views and some disagreement. Makes the crew dynamics seem more realistic.
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he was not unhappy,it's his mouth that it's curved downward,it still is in this chapter like it was when it was first showed in the shadows
To me it felt like there was a difference between the time we saw him in the shadows and seeing him talk to Luffy. When we saw him in the shadows, the way he was portrayed made it look like he was angry and had a grudge against Luffy or something along those lines. Oda probably had the shadows there more for making him a mystery, but the way it came across made it seem like something more devious was going on. Then this chapter he felt more warm compared to his first showing. Probably me just misunderstanding the situation the first time around.
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He did not wander of. He made a judgment call. A judgement call Zoro doesnt know shit about because he doesnt even know who the Vinesmokes are. Zoro maybe stronger, but it is obvious that Sanji is much smarter maybe the smartest in the crew not counting Robin being book smart.
Sanji reacted quick in an impossible situation. Saved his crewmates and took one for the team. He acted selfless and smart.
The fight with Big Mom was on anyway. If someone says Zoro made smart comments they have to, at least, say what Sanji should have done different.
From my POV Sanji did the best thing that could have possibly been done in the situation the swirlyhats were facing.
Zoro is stronger than Sanji. Sanji is much more observative, much smarter in terms of strategy and knowledge. That is what makes them equals in my view.
Here's my question though why couldn't Sanji negotiate with Capone to make him hold off until the crew arrives and discusses things out with Big Mom ? Sanji made some real good decisions deciding not to fight but if he waited things could have been different if the whole crew was there and make a decision which would benefit everyone.
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AMAZING chapter, so many revelations and humor in the chapter. That poor crocodile taking Luffy's punch to the face. I loved how much of a B@D@$$ Zoro sounded about look we are going to have to fight these guys sooner or later. We can't pull the pin on the grenade then put it back in. Awesome job from a first class firstmate, making sure everyone is aware of what is to come. It isn't advised taking on two Yonkous at the same time, then Luffy just dismisses it, fine we will sneak in. Also the fact Sanji's family is a group of assasins, seems like he is certainly the odd one out being a cook and having such flashy moves. I wonder what his brothers and sisters attacks are like. I am starting to think the marriage is more to settle off some debts the Vinsmoke family has or to come into more power because of enemies they have created.
Although never have seen it, something along the lines of the Godfather trilogy. Arranging a marriage of two competing families to create one power and solve a long standing conflict. I wouldn't be surprised if the Vinsmoke family ends up helping Luffy fight Big Mom because they don't want to participate in the marriage but aren't strong enough to oppose her. I know people keep saying One Piece is 60 or 70% done, however if Oda does a backstory like this for everyone I would be very happy. I would love to find out more about Zoro's pas, maybe that is scheduled for all next year. Then the year after Brook, then the next year the final crewmate.
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Actually, he is being stupid. Big Mom and Kaidou are both targeting the strawhats already. If Sanji didn't leave, then that means Big Mom sends the rest of her crew to deal with the strawhats. Sanji leaving, if anything, saved the crew from having to fight 2 yonkou at a time as now she won't attack them while he's there at the wedding.
Also they don't have to get him back, he did say he was going to return. So it's actually going against Sanji's wishes when they do show up at whole cake island.Why would Big Mom attack the Straw Hats seems to me Sanjis Family Saved the StrawHats not Sanji alone otherwise Big Mom should have sent more people instead of Just Pekoms and Capone. The Major threat is Kaido & Jack since the Straw Hats messed up there Smile deal and got Doffy imprisoned I'm sure he's a lot more pissed then Big Mom missing some candy
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In other news, I would sure like Cavendish as swordman of the crew instead of Zoro, he has a character for a change.
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Sanji Zoldyck, eh?
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@uniaka:
In others news, I would sure like Cavendish as swordman of the crew instead of Zoro, he has a character for a change.
Why the Zoro hate he stated something from a logical point of view. BTW he's like the 2nd protagonist why wouldn't he have a charcter.
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Here's my question though why couldn't Sanji negotiate with Capone to make him hold off until the crew arrives and discusses things out with Big Mom ? Sanji made some real good decisions deciding not to fight but if he waited things could have been different if the whole crew was there and make a decision which would benefit everyone.
What can you even negotiate with a guy that shoots his own mate in the back like that? Besides, Sanji didn't knew when Liuffy would get there since Bartolomeo and his crew made a 1 day journey take 7 days. Besides, Big mom would just call and ask wtf is going on and why don't they get back to her.
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How did I never noticed Kureha pants? It makes one of her legs seem to be covered in fire… I wonder if there is a connection to Zeff.
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Also, the word used in Japanese to describe the Vinsmoke family is 人殺しの一族 which would be "a family of murderers" rather than "assassin/hit man/professional killer" (殺し屋) like Mr. 1.
I think what Pekoms is conveying is that the Vinsmokes are a family of horrible, cruel people. Killing isn't their business, but they do it.
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@.access:
I don't think there is a way to help Zoro here, he just came out as a jerk.
He simply has no idea what is behind Sanji's family or the deal with BM and still is trying to act as if he knows it better than anyone, especially the only person who actually knows one of the parts involved - Sanji himself. From what we can tell, he doesn't even know who the Vinsmoke are. It is like saying "fuck Robin, she decided to go on her own to Enies Lobby". At this point, you would expect each SH to trust each other judgement, everyone else seem to be able to do so.
As you said, BM's orders were not to harm the crew, but to bring Ceasar and Sanji. Now if Sanji refused, things would be much differently. If anything, Sanji allowed them to NOT have two Yonkous at their feet at the same time.
I hope Oda at some point says that is how Zoro deals with the fact he is worried about Sanji, otherwise he should just shut.
EDIT: Despite that, I like the fact there were different views and some disagreement. Makes the crew dynamics seem more realistic.
Keep in mind at the time of Robins departure they didn't have a Yonkou on their tail. and once again I aask this question why couldn't Sanji negotiate with Capone to wait for the crew instead of taking off alone ? Wouldn't it have been better for everyone to be together and make a jugement call which is best for everyone ? The only thing really is how much time is left until the tea party ? If there isn't much time and needed Sanji ASAP that makes sense but if not he should have tried to work something out with Capone.
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@.access:
How did I never noticed Kureha pants? It makes one of her legs seem to be covered in fire… I wonder if there is a connection to Zeff.
Nah, it's just because she's happy.
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Sanji Zoldyck, eh?
Hahahaha exactly my first thought
Probably his family members will be incredible strong
or really important noblesI mean who says just because they are a Family of Assassins they cant be noble family
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Sanjis dad is probably a Yonkou commander level Badass
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There's no two-ways about it. Zoro was a dick in this chapter, it tried to come of as him being realistic, but it was mostly just dickish.
On another note i wonder how big mom will take Pekoms desertation? He seemed like he was a fairly high ranking dude.
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@uniaka:
What can you even negotiate with a guy that shoots his own mate in the back like that? Besides, Sanji didn't knew when Liuffy would get there since Bartolomeo and his crew made a 1 day journey take 7 days. Besides, Big mom would just call and ask wtf is going on and why don't they get back to her.
You forgot one thing Capone is loyal to Big Mom if he wants things to workout as Sanji held the gun to Caesars head he listened to him. If need be Sanji could have threaten Capone the same way and negotiate. This isn't the first time Sanji has done things on his own most of the time its a benefit but this time I'm siding with Zoro its a bit of a hassle to now go and get Sanji back from Big Mom while having another Yonkou out to get them.
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There's no two-ways about it. Zoro was a dick in this chapter, it tried to come of as him being realistic, but it was mostly just dickish.
On another note i wonder how big mom will take Pekoms desertation? He seemed like he was a fairly high ranking dude.
for the little we know about her..not well
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"Chopper why are you getting all stiff?" "I'm not stiff stupid!"
I never thought I'd be reading something like this.
That sounds so wrong.
:D
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Zoro's secretly just jealous that Luffy and Sanji have mysterious, influential/powerful parents and complicated backstories, while he doesn't.
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Why would Big Mom attack the Straw Hats seems to me Sanjis Family Saved the StrawHats not Sanji alone otherwise Big Mom should have sent more people instead of Just Pekoms and Capone. The Major threat is Kaido & Jack since the Straw Hats messed up there Smile deal and got Doffy imprisoned I'm sure he's a lot more pissed then Big Mom missing some candy
If Sanji didn't leave do you think Big Mom would just stop bothering them? That she wouldn't send someone else to retrieve him and ceasar? And she considered Pekoms and Capone enough to deal with the 4 curlyhats, or maybe there were more commanders on the ship.
Also whatever veto whispered to Sanji was the main reason Sanji left, probably holding someone hostage. And Sanji doesn't want to involve the crew in something that isn't even there business. It's between him, the vinsmokes and big mom. So he left without them.
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So, the full name of Sanji is this:
Vinsmoke Zoldyck "Black Leg" Killua Sanji
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There's no two-ways about it. Zoro was a dick in this chapter, it tried to come of as him being realistic, but it was mostly just dickish.
On another note i wonder how big mom will take Pekoms desertation? He seemed like he was a fairly high ranking dude.
Yup Zoro being my favorite SH along with Franky, I have to say, he was just a jerk, it didn't come off like back when Usopp did his own thing and left the crew, Sanji situation was different, he left because he was endangering the crew and made sure they all were safe before leaving, no reason to be an asshole about it, specially since even though they have that rivalry Zoro and Sanji do care about each other.
The chapter was awesome, this cements Nekomamushi as my favorite out of the 2 mink leader, so Pedro is indeed a Jaguar cool, also remembering people talking about Chopper maybe getting interested in a mink deer girl in the forum and they actually see it happen was pretty damn funny.
Did he resign? he was just going to lie to her and Bege attacked him, unless Bege tells her he betrayed her and she expels him not sure he is out of the crew.
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It's weird that Capone actually managed to do anything. His power still seems fairly underpowered for this stage.
Like he's made of stone, with guys with guns inside of him, how does that help him getting his face kicked of by Sunkist.
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Here's my question though why couldn't Sanji negotiate with Capone to make him hold off until the crew arrives and discusses things out with Big Mom ? Sanji made some real good decisions deciding not to fight but if he waited things could have been different if the whole crew was there and make a decision which would benefit everyone.
I got the impression, that Capone was not open to any kind of negotiating. Trying to kill Pekoms (being part of his crew) only because he started to negotiate with the strawhats. If Sanji would have refused the whole Big Mom crew from the ship Tamago and who knows how many goons. Furthermore we know, that Vito told him something that we dont know about. After he got the info from Vito, we still dont know about, he made his decision.
In a best case scenario of course the crew should decide together but i still think that Sanji did the best thing in that situation. Zoro should give him more credit. That is why i made my statement in the first post.
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Did he resign? he was just going to lie to her and Bege attacked him, unless Bege tells her he betrayed her and she expels him not sure he is out of the crew.
I'd imagine that he would. I mean he'd have to give a reason for shooting one of her liuetenants right
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Loved this chapter , I can't believe how coy Oda is being with all of this. Will the crew end up asking Zou to go towards Big Mom's place? Because I don't see how this isn't just a chill transition arc at this point , unless next chapter shit hits the fan and the Beats Pirates return in full force. Speaking of which, Nekomamushi is quite the character. Loved everytime he was on panel.
Zoro went First Mate mode once again in this chapter as well, I love how secretly he's been keeping all enemies on the board in check.
Can't help but notice Oda is hyping up The Vinsmokes now, I mean Assassins? Leads credence to the idea that they'll be the primary villains of whatever confrontation the crew has with Big Mom, call me crazy but I see Zou playing a part, if not a big part in this little confrontation as well.
Ive said as much before but the way I see it , Zou/Big Mom's Tea Party is shaping up to be the new Water 7/Enies Lobby just in structure with a few major differences. We have a crewmmate who's history catches up with them and is forced to leave the crew temporarily, then you have Jinbe's situation who left Luffy and Co for personal reasons but promised to return and join the crew once it was dealt with. Kind of a mashup of Franky and Ussop's development from Water 7, Jinbe is connected to the conflict in a direct way like Franky was to Cp9 and the WG, yet he's not the primary focus of everyone's attention. Jinbe is the wild card.
You even have The Vinsmokes being assassins like Cp9, which definitely means they have a high fighting potential, but I think like how the SH crew started off on sour terms with Galley-La, they'll have to Team up with Big Mom's crew to take down the real threat the Vinsmokes pose. Maybe not, like I said that could easily be filled by the Zou guys, but between Pekoms being a more or less decent guy, and the possibility of Lola being one of Linlin's daughters, you have to wonder if that wont change's Big Mom's whole perspective on the Strawhat crew.
"The Night Is Dark And Full Of Terror"
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Also, the word used in Japanese to describe the Vinsmoke family is 人殺しの一族 which would be "a family of murderers" rather than "assassin/hit man/professional killer" (殺し屋) like Mr. 1.
I think what Pekoms is conveying is that the Vinsmokes are a family of horrible, cruel people. Killing isn't their business, but they do it.
interesting. anybody else able to confirm or deny this?
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It's weird that Capone actually managed to do anything. His power still seems fairly underpowered for this stage.
Like he's made of stone, with guys with guns inside of him, how does that help him getting his face kicked of by Sunkist.
What have his powers got to do with how good a fighter he is? Many of the strongest characters in the series were powerless altogther.
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Zoro is probably mostly just mad/irritated at Sanji. he said earlier that the other crew members on Zou couldn't possibly be dead because they had Sanji. now, instead, it's Sanji who is the issue
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What have his powers got to do with how good a fighter he is? Many of the strongest characters in the series were powerless altogther.
His whole schtick seems to be to stand there while his men attack.
Sure maybe he's actually the short, fat, Bruce Lee in addition to being a castle-man.
But so far his power seem pretty lackluster for the stage he's fighting on.
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now that i think about it..humans sure got the short end of the stick in the onepiece world…basically all the other races have something more than humans do..first the fishman with their x10 streght,then the tontatta that are faster and stronger too..now the minks that have better physical abilities and also heal faster
no wonder arlong thought of humans as an inferior species..hell even long legs and long arms guys have at least an extra joint
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If Sanji didn't leave do you think Big Mom would just stop bothering them? That she wouldn't send someone else to retrieve him and ceasar? And she considered Pekoms and Capone enough to deal with the 4 curlyhats, or maybe there were more commanders on the ship.
Also whatever veto whispered to Sanji was the main reason Sanji left, probably holding someone hostage. And Sanji doesn't want to involve the crew in something that isn't even there business. It's between him, the vinsmokes and big mom. So he left without them.
Of course not Big Mom is a Yonkou she get what she wants when she wants, if things don't go her way its hell to pay, that's why Sanji should have stalemated her give her no options only too wait for the crew. Also how does She know its only 4 straw hats On board the ship ? Cause since Sanji knows his Bounty went up and he is only marked alive means he seen the other crew mates bounty and same applies to Big Mom. Why send 2 300 million bounty fighters. When in straw hats there's Usopp 200 million, Zoro 300million and Luffy 500 million. This is obviously not a fight she wanted but just to pick up Sanji.
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I really enjoined the part where the crew argued.My favourite part of the chapter.Shows that they have character beyond being 1D and that it is not all fun and games.Plus,really hypes the situation.How would they go against two Yonko?
Nekomamushi was funny.Too bad I was expecting for the Vinsmoke twist though.It hurt the comedy part somewhat.
I really like the Neko.Hope he does something awesome.By the way the Minks will be important somehow.It was foreshadowed.
Chopper gets "stiff".Hilarity ensues.
Pekoms for nakama.Make it happen.
Pedro is finally introduced properly.
Brook keeping his mouth shut really annoyed me.
Props to Oda for including a bath scene and no fanservice…unlike some other authors.
The double spread was really beautiful.By far the best thing in the chapter aesthetically-wise.
While many people said the Vinsmokes may be ceiminals,nobody said assassins.If they are half as awsome as the Zoldycks,then I would be pleased.Yet again the Zoldycks seem to be more important in their story than the Vinsmokes.
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It's weird that Capone actually managed to do anything. His power still seems fairly underpowered for this stage.
Like he's made of stone, with guys with guns inside of him, how does that help him getting his face kicked of by Sunkist.
Close range attacks would go in his shrink range and sanji would get shrinked if he kicks him. Aldo, it seems that it is kinda better to be inside him since he was so scared about that small fire that it would burn him down.
The guns he used on Pekoms could have haki since Pekoms said he protected himself but still got heavy damage.
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Surprinsingly accuratr prediction:
Wow that guy just mopped the floor with everyone with his theory, his black leg epithet seems legit and may become a self fulfilling prophecy. If Killer is Sanji's brother holy Vinsmokes… lol
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First the mafia theme, and now the assassin theme. This is making me think Oda is actually getting some of his ideas from Baccano. One of the characters is nicknamed Vino (wine in spanish/ italian) and he is an assassin.
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The thing about Killer is that he seems made for Zoro, both of them as the only non-captain supernovas, sword fighters( I guess his blades can be called swords). If he was Sanji's brother, I would expect him to rival Sanji.
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