Ok, all hope lost.
DC Movies Thread - Shazam saves the day
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Ok, all hope lost.
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I don't know why I find this so amusing, but I do
Maybe its because it kinda evokes Adam West in a grimdark and grounded DO YOU BLEED?! Movie
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Gotham Gazette:
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@Daz:
I don't know why I find this so amusing, but I do
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Maybe its because it kinda evokes Adam West in a grimdark and grounded DO YOU BLEED?! Movie
When I see that face, I imagine Superman taking off and Batman mentally thinking to himself
"Yeah, you better run! That's what I thought!"
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How about the idea that Superman standing straight up not anchoring himself to the ground or anything can take a hit from the batmobile and literally not react. It just makes me question physics. Not how badass superman must be.
Plus, Batman driving the Batmobile into Superman suggests Batman did zero research into whether or not that would be a good idea… And that ain't Batman.
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How about the idea that Superman standing straight up not anchoring himself to the ground or anything can take a hit from the batmobile and literally not react. It just makes me question physics. Not how badass superman must be.
Plus, Batman driving the Batmobile into Superman suggests Batman did zero research into whether or not that would be a good idea… And that ain't Batman.
Batman never makes mistakes or poor decisions?
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"There is an alien that single handedly leveled a city… I'll try driving a car into him!" isn't a mistake or a poor decision.
It's comedy gold, apparently.
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"There is an alien that single handedly leveled a city… I'll try driving a car into him!" isn't a mistake or a poor decision.
It's comedy gold, apparently.
I'm pretty sure Batman knew that would happen lol
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Mr. Incredible flinched right before he tried to stop a train. And that was a small detail that added a lot more to it's film, unlike Superman doing nothing and apparently having a car bounce off of him.
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It's the way he asks "Do you bleed?" The way his face looks so disinterested in his own question and blinking like he's about to fall asleep or is stoned out of his mind, hence the reason he crashed his car into Superman.
And Batman did his research. He knew about Superman's superhearing so he continued on his conversation even though Superman flew away because he knew Superman could still hear him from that distance. I got you Batman, you so smart.
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It's the way he asks "Do you bleed?" The way his face looks so disinterested in his own question and blinking like he's about to fall asleep or is stoned out of his mind, hence the reason he crashed his car into Superman.
Bruce is talking to Alfred, completely stoned. "Alfred! Listen! I'm gonna crash my car directly into Superman!"
"Mr. Bruce, this is a terrible idea!"
"Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Alfred, let me finish! And then I'll get out of the car, and ask, 'Do you bleed?' And then Superman will totally laugh and it will be hilarious!"
–-----One hour later--------
"HE DIDN'T FIND IT FUNNY, ALFRED! HE DIDN'T FIND IT FUNNY AT ALL!"
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I just imagined Adam West Batman crashing his batmobile into Christopher (or George) Reeve(s) Superman, and it was way better than the actual thing.
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I don't think Superman needs X-Ray vision to figure out that Bruce is Batman. Only two people in Gotham have the same fucking birth mark/mole on his face.
You just have to spend an afternoon talking to Bruce Wayne, but then bump into Batman and be like, "Shit! I was starring at that thing forever when I was talking to Bruce Wayn~ OH WAIT!"
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I don't think Superman needs X-Ray vision to figure out that Bruce is Batman. Only two people in Gotham have the same fucking birth mark/mole on his face.
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You just have to spend an afternoon talking to Bruce Wayne, but then bump into Batman and be like, "Shit! I was starring at that thing forever when I was talking to Bruce Wayn~ OH WAIT!"
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Guys, let's take this seriously. Batman clearly isn't trying to hit Superman because he hits him with the side of his car, not the front. Bruce is just out for a night drive, doing donuts, when all of a sudden OH SHIT IT'S SUPES and he drives to swerve but he can't because he's drifting and he accidentally hits Superman. Supes is obviously fine and Batman is surprised so he's like Do you even bleed, bruh? and Superman is like lol nope and just leaves. And then Bruce realizes his car is totaled and Superman left without giving him his insurance information so he swears revenge and that's why it's Batman vs. Superman.
The trial scene in the trailer is actually part of Judge Judy. It's so obvious you think more people would have caught on by now.
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So I guess this forum is… MARVEL oh yeah lets all circle jerk...DC...lets nitpick it to death huh? xD
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So I guess this forum is… MARVEL oh yeah lets all circle jerk...DC...lets nitpick it to death huh? xD
There's a huge difference between nitpicking and there being actual legitimate problems with something.
Nobody is cracking jokes or complaining because they hate DC. People are posting about it because these are some of their favorite franchises, and they want to see them be done justice.
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@Galaxy:
There's a huge difference between nitpicking and there being actual legitimate problems with something.
Nobody is cracking jokes or complaining because they hate DC. People are posting about it because these are some of their favorite franchises, and they want to see them be done justice.
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How about the idea that Superman standing straight up not anchoring himself to the ground or anything can take a hit from the batmobile and literally not react. It just makes me question physics. Not how badass superman must be.
This is a pretty good summation of why this was stupid
Superman may be super strong and invulnerable to most harm, but he doesn't weigh an astronomical ammount. The DC Wikia puts him in the 230lb range, which is pretty normal for a guy with the muscle mass and height he has.
Therefore, while him not being hurt at all by the car hitting him makes sense, unless he was bracing for it or specifically meaning to stop the car, it SHOULD have thrown him. He could have IMMEDIATELY realized something happendd and stopped himself in mid air, so you didn't have to have him comically fly across the street, but he should have reacted IN SOME WAY to a car that easily weighs well over a ton, maybe two slams into his ~230lb ass.
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I just feel like a better director would have made this entire setup alot more memorable.
Fear of losing out on a better moment is setting in.
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@Galaxy:
There's a huge difference between nitpicking and there being actual legitimate problems with something.
Nobody is cracking jokes or complaining because they hate DC. People are posting about it because these are some of their favorite franchises, and they want to see them be done justice.
Ahah, and ant-man a movie so utterly generic or the overhyped to death guardians are getting so much praise, despite being mediocore to good at best. Majority chooses to ignore the problems with those ones, but whatever I don't care to start an argument here. Bask in your marvel glory, even though the ONLY, really good movie they produced after avengers 1 was cap 2.
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Ahah, and ant-man a movie so utterly generic or the overhyped to death guardians are getting so much praise, despite being mediocore to good at best. Majority chooses to ignore the problems with those ones, but whatever I don't care to start an argument here. Bask in your marvel glory, even though the ONLY, really good movie they produced after avengers 1 was cap 2.
I mean of course there are problems with the movies and they aren't going to be the most unique films, but they offer a lot of what people want out of superhero films. Fun scenes, cool fights, interactive banter, pretty effective character interactions, a lighthearted atmosphere, etc. And people will talk on and on and also right up reasons why they liked or disliked it. For Dr. Strange there was a good amount of wariness, concern, and fear about the production crew and other aspects such as Tilda Swinton being the Ancient One. Or how nobody ever talks about how good the Thor movies are (because they aren't). Or how FantFourStick was a complete trainwreck. Or the Wolverine spinoffs. Or the Amazing Spiderman movies. Or whatever. Overall though in a combination of a large amount of output and a generally spot on representation of how fans want their films, Marvel films will tend to garner a more positive reception.
Again, as previously addressed, people here have offered up their criticism of DC films and what they find flaws. Doesn't help that the only things you have are Batman movies, Superman, and that one Green Lantern movie that's universally roasted. You'll still find people who enjoy previous offerings. Spec for example found MoS pretty good, and overall people are heavily divided although people here tend to lean towards the sense that it wasn't their expectation of a Superman movie. And it ain't it being DC haters in general. I'm sure Robby could talk his mouth off about different eras in the DC universe. People just have different expectations for a movie, and frankly as someone who doesn't follow western comics all that much and doesn't really sway one way or another I've gotta agree that a lot of the promotional material is kinda weird.
Good as a general summer action flick? I guess, but definitely kinda weird to see the Joker as played by Lex Luthor as played by Jesse Eisenberg. Or kinda awkward super serious interactions between Bats and Supes
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@Purple:
Or how nobody ever talks about how good the Thor movies are (because they aren't).
People here loved the Thor movies just fine. I was accused of trolling the Marvel thread by someone because I kept arguing The Dark World was a terrible movie.
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Ahah, and ant-man a movie so utterly generic or the overhyped to death guardians are getting so much praise, despite being mediocore to good at best. Majority chooses to ignore the problems with those ones, but whatever I don't care to start an argument here. Bask in your marvel glory, even though the ONLY, really good movie they produced after avengers 1 was cap 2.
Basically what Purple said, but also I want to know where you got the idea that people think those movies are perfect and have absolutely no issues. I personally loved both of the movies, but still saw the flaws in each, but they're easy to overlook in those films because the movies at least tried to create a fun environment. In comparison, we've got this Batman vs. Superman movie trying to be gritty and dark instead of fun, and it shows heavily from all of the TV spots and trailers we've seen.
And yes, the Thor movies weren't very good to me either. When I initially was catching up to the MCU output, I had a hard time getting through them.
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Ahah, and ant-man a movie so utterly generic or the overhyped to death guardians are getting so much praise, despite being mediocore to good at best. Majority chooses to ignore the problems with those ones, but whatever I don't care to start an argument here. Bask in your marvel glory, even though the ONLY, really good movie they produced after avengers 1 was cap 2.
Translation: "My opinion doesn't match your opinion, therefore CLEARLY, as this is an entirely objective issue and my answer is objectively the right one, you all must be wrong and praising Marvel undeservedly"
I am a MASSIVE DC Fan, In comic form, I greatly prefer them to Marvel. Have for years. The Dark Knight still might be my favorite superhero film of all time. I've actually read These comics. I've read the entire Geoff Johns Run of Green Lantern, PRETTY much every major storyline in Batman's Post-Crisis Run, I was pretty closely following the New52 until right around the Aftermath of Forever Evil.
I will NEVER stop criticising Marvel over One More Day. It completely turned me off of the company for years, and I still haven't really started reading their comics all too much since.
I know these characters. I love these characters.
When I criticise and give my opinion, it is MY opinion, I'm not following some stupid form of majority rule.
The Marvel movies are great, they're not without flaws, but they're great.
With the exception of Loki, Winter Soldier, Kilgrave, and Kingpin there isn't really a memorable villain anywhere in their stable. I mean, I'd argue Mandarin, but he's memorable for the comedy of the reveal than as a menacing commanding villain.
Guardians was an amazing movie, I love it and would probably put it in my top 3 Marvel Movies, but Ronan is EASILY the worst villain in the entire Marvel stable.
Iron Man 2 and Incredible Hulk are kinda bad, I'd say IM2 is worse and I'd outright call it awful. There's some fun stuff in them (RDJ, The Abomination fight) that makes them watchable and saves me from outright hating them, and I'll still watch them, but they're not the best Marvel's ever done. Iron Man 2's big problem is they had apparently JUST decided on some comcrete "We're actually gonna do Avengers guys, lets start building toward that!" when the previous two movies, the Avengers teasers were little more than easter eggs, IM2 was the first time they knew GOING IN that the movie was gonna definitely lead to Avengers, so they started to cram in stuff that's only there to build to Avengers, and IMO, did a very VERY sloppy job of it. There's half a decent movie in there, but it's too weighed down by "Gotta set up Avengers, throw this in"
They got MUCH better at integrating that stuff later, but it still sometimes causes issues. I loved Avengers AoU for example, but the stuffing in of Infinity War stuff taxes the pacing a bit.
Look, see that? CRITICISM OF THE MARVEL MOVIES~! It's like I'm a free thinking person who has actually watched these movies and formed COMPLEX OPINIONS of them.
I know this is a concept you probably have some issue accepting, but it's true.
The big BIG rift between Marvel and DC is that: Marvel understands that these characters come from Comic Books, and that those comic books are, to some extent, cheesy and fun as well as dark and heavy at times, they can go any direction, even cheesy fun ones and Marvel tries to deliver the same experience in theaters.
Sure the movies have flaws, but they aren't usually glaring (Except freaking IM2) and people can typically look past some of them because everything else is done so well and in such a loving way.DC, on the other hand, had One REALLY successful set of movies (Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy) that was super dark and gritty, and one HUGE box office and critical Bomb (Green Lantern) that at least tried to embrace some of the comic book silly, and as a result somehow got it in their heads that "It HAS To be grimdark serious to sell".
Man of Steel has entirely the wrong tone for a Superman movie. I actually OVERALL like the movie more than I hate it, I'm glad we got Superman ACTUALLY FIGHING A SUPERVILLAIN IN A MOVIE FOR A CHANGE instead of saving planes and stopping real eastate scams, but even I think the movie is way too dour.
Tone isn't easy to ignore because it permiates the entire film, and if it doesn't you can end up in Tone Whiplash territory, so this is a BIG deal. A villain can be forgettable if the Heroes were fun enough that you didn't notice, but if the whole movie is sad and depressing, it's hard to have fun with it. -
Whats the problem with being gritty and dark? A: batman v superman wont be as gritty as some make it out to be and B: there is enough ''fun'' marvel movies out there already, so I actually prefer DC going more dark and give me more variety.
I just commented on the fact that it seems, no matter what comes out in terms of news for these dc movies, its just a lets shit on them show here. I apologize if I just got a wrong impression and I also didnt want to start to acuse everybody here of being a marvel fanboy. I was just a little tired of all the freaking praise marvel movies are getting and the constant overhyping of anything marvel studios does I guess.
Didn't want to start a war here, so again, sorry. :)
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It seems to me that some people in here temporary switched off their Rule of Cool - sight until the new movie is actually out. And some didn't quite get it. I admit, it took me a while, too.
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Whats the problem with being gritty and dark? A: batman v superman wont be as gritty as some make it out to be and B: there is enough ''fun'' marvel movies out there already, so I actually prefer DC going more dark and give me more variety.
I just commented on the fact that it seems, no matter what comes out in terms of news for these dc movies, its just a lets shit on them show here. I apologize if I just got a wrong impression and I also didnt want to start to acuse everybody here of being a marvel fanboy. I was just a little tired of all the freaking praise marvel movies are getting and the constant overhyping of anything marvel studios does I guess.
Didn't want to start a war here, so again, sorry. :)
Variety is one thing but it should be tonally consistent with the work. Grit and dark work well with Batman but it may not necessarily work with every flavor necessarily. Especially when a lot of how Superman is portrayed tends to be a more positive, heroic light. Of course, that depends from person to person, but overall it's just an interpretation that seems to try to go more off of the successes of the Nolan movies with a strong hint of Messianic imagery rather than fitting it to the character.
Especially weird with Facebook CEO Jim Carrey Luthor kinda making for a bit of a jarring contrast. But yeah I'd say people are more upset not because they hate DC but because they have different expectations of what it would turn out to be for the properties.
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When you had nearly 20 years of excellence with the DCAU and the Brave and the Bold, there's some certain bars that need to be met.
No one's saying that a more modernized Joker is bad. What's bad is that they made him a Juggalo.
No one's saying that Lex Luthor can't be eccentric and/or younger than usual. Turning him into Mark Zuckerberg is just dumb as hell.
Likewise, no one's saying that Superman can't have some dark to him, that the consequences of his actions shouldn't be shown. The problem is that Man of Steel handled this horribly, and Batman v. Superman: Crisis on Infinite Cast Lists is shaping up to be making the same mistakes.
Also, the more movie-making side of it where they're just trying to introduce too much shit at once to try and catch up to Marvel, who have gradually built up their universe over several films.
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Whats the problem with being gritty and dark? A: batman v superman wont be as gritty as some make it out to be and B: there is enough ''fun'' marvel movies out there already, so I actually prefer DC going more dark and give me more variety.
There's nothing with gritty and dark. However, there's certainly something wrong when it's overly pretentious…much like with Man of Steel. And this movie has pretentiousness written ALL over it.
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I enjoyed MoS for the fights. Mostly Faora? Fae-ora? Whatever her name was. That fight in the town was just fun to watch. I found the movie to be a tad…Blah with his Wolverine wandering act and his childhood upbringing. He was kinda mopey. It really didn't seem right. Also the whole thing of his parents actively telling him to not help was weird. I found it to still be the best superman movie I've seen.
Marvel isn't perfect. But they have a better rate of turning out more enjoyable live action movies for the fans I think.
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Superman kicked the batmobile…just slow the video down
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Good gritty, dark, Superman:
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Jonathan Kent tells Clark "Maybe you should have let that bus of children drown rather than use your powers." Even in context it doesn't work.
MoS had everything wrong about the character, and MvSRoJ looks to be following in the same lines. Considering all the same people are involved, its not surprising.
Good gritty, dark, Superman:
ANd thats not actually even SUperman. That's Zod's kid.
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The thing is, DC has just 1 movie under its belt canon to the universe it's trying to build. The successful but divisive MoS and that's it. People keep forgetting that DC has just gotten started worldbuilding so of course it's not going to get the hype and praise Marvel does.
1. It's first canonical movie isn't as well loved as Marvel's first movie.
2. Marvel has had nice success learning from its mistakes (coughTheIncredibleHulkcough) and outshining their stinkers with gems.
Honestly, if you look at Marvel's track record and compare it from beginning to end (so far) you'll see they started off strong but fell into a pretty bad streak, and didn't really get their footing until 2014 with a few hit and misses in between. Just look at the Marvel Cinematic Universe and my completely not subjective opinions of their movies.
(2008) Iron Man (Great)
(2008) The Incredible Hulk (No thank you…)
(2010) Iron Man 2 (Bad…fell asleep in the movie theater bad)
(2011) Thor (I liked it but admittedly a pretty bad superhero flick.)
(2012) Captain America: The First Avenger (Boring)
(2013) Marvels: The First Avenger (Great)
(2013) Iron Man 3 (Another movie I liked that others didn't feel partial to)
(2013) Thor: The Dark World (Pretty bad and barely saved by Loki)
(2014) Captain America: The Winter Soldier (Great)
(2014) Guardians of the Galaxy (Great)
(2015) Avengers: Age of Ultron (Pretty Good)
(2015) Ant-Man (Great) So out of Marvel's 12 movies I can say 6 have been very enjoyable, 2 have been ok, and 4 have been DC Green Lantern stinkers. So…overall, Marvel is doing more good than bad. Overall, Marvel has a better planned and built up universe. Overall, Marvel has a lot more movies to talk about than DC. Overall, Marvel is kicking ass which is great. DC just needs to do the same or continue doing so for others.Now, if you're comparing all Marvel movies to all DC movies then you'd have to take into consideration DC movies like Catwoman and Marvel movies like, uh, all the Fantastic 4 movies. It's safe to say both properties have had their letdowns and successes (i.e. Batman Trilogy and Spider-Man trilogy). And instead of wasting time comparing the 3rd act of either of those trilogies I'm just going to inform everyone I liked neither.
Is there a lot of skepticism towards DC, and more so compared to Marvel? Yes, because we've seen a lot of what Marvel can do and has done in concerns to the universe it is building. DC is still finding its legs and though I really liked MoS it's not really contestable how many others felt about it. Is it fair to criticize or praise a movie before it comes out based on its promotional material? Yes, for any movie no matter what studio is releasing it. Will Batman vs. Superman or Captain America: Civil War be stinkers? That remains to be seen…but let's be honest, I'm more worried for BvS than CACW.
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ANd thats not actually even SUperman. That's Zod's kid.
Close enough.
(2008) Iron Man (Great)
(2008) The Incredible Hulk (No thank you…)
(2010) Iron Man 2 (Bad…fell asleep in the movie theater bad)
(2011) Thor (I liked it but admittedly a pretty bad superhero flick.)
(2012) Captain America: The First Avenger (Boring)
(2013) Marvels: The First Avenger (Great)
(2013) Iron Man 3 (Another movie I liked that others didn't feel partial to)
(2013) Thor: The Dark World (Pretty bad and barely saved by Loki)
(2014) Captain America: The Winter Soldier (Great)
(2014) Guardians of the Galaxy (Great)
(2015) Avengers: Age of Ultron (Pretty Good)
(2015) Ant-Man (Great)Some of us would disagree with you:
1. Iron Man (Great)
2. Incredible Hulk (I admit, I didn't see it)
3. Iron Man 2 (Meh)
4. Thor (Fine)
5. Captain America: The First Avenger (Really Good)
6. The Avengers (Amazing)
7. Iron Man 3 (Bad)
8. Thor: The Dark World (Boring)
9. Captain America: The Winter Soldier (Great)
10. Guardians of the Galaxy (Great)
11. Avengers: Age of Ultron (Good/Great)
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Based sheerly on how good Iron Man 1 and Avengers were, and how none of the other films have been super awful, Marvel pretty much gets a pass on the lesser films because the really good ones have been REALLY good.
And with GotG and Winter Soldier both being generally considered great films in phase 2, the overall ratio is fine. (Personal opinions will vary a lot, but thats the overall consensus.)
It's pretty much the Pixar thing. Have enough good movies people can give the okay ones a pass for a while… but they'll still be going "that wasn't as good as your other stuff."
Meanwhile DC's recent track record has been... not great. And no, you can't say "restart the count with MoS", because its still been under the Warner Brothers umbrella for decades, so the same people and decision makings, and reactions to those films, have been involved. So yes, you need to count Dark Knight Rises and Green Lantern and Jonah Hex. ANd by any metric you should be including Watchmen because the same director is involved. With a 10 year mercy rule you can narrowly avoid Batman and Robin and Catwoman and Steel at least.
But hey, you get to count Batman Begins and Dark Knight on the positive side, while magically ignoring Superman Returns which came out a year later, so that's something.
(and no, Marvel is not responsible for the Sony and Fox films... either the failures or the successes... though going forward Spiderman is their problem. But hey, at least DC doesn't have to count The Spirit as one of their own!)
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So I guess this forum is… MARVEL oh yeah lets all circle jerk...DC...lets nitpick it to death huh? xD
Ahah, and ant-man a movie so utterly generic or the overhyped to death guardians are getting so much praise, despite being mediocore to good at best. Majority chooses to ignore the problems with those ones, but whatever I don't care to start an argument here. Bask in your marvel glory, even though the ONLY, really good movie they produced after avengers 1 was cap 2.
Were you there when Antman was coming out? All of us were doubtful as fuck. With the writers changing and the early trailers, we thought it was gonna be crap. I'm not going to change your opinion on any of those films. I love Guardians, Cap 2 and Ant Man. Thor 2 was kind of a guilty pleasure for me. I am one of the few here who didn't like Age of Ultron. But Marvel has a ton of movies coming out and we're still discussing them, and for the most part, we are hopeful and/or excited.
DC has two movies coming out. BvS is a movie we've been shown a bunch of trailers, and I'm sorry, some of us are doubtful. Maybe it could be good. Maybe it could be bad. On the other hand, we have Suicide Squad which I'm super excited for. I don't have a single issue with anything in the movie so far, including grill teethed Joker. And I still come to this thread, which has had a mixed reaction towards SS.
DC is just now starting their long line up of superhero movies that will connect stories. They've been trying for a while, and considering the progress?
Green Lantern - A movie that bombed and was so bad, that they completely dropped Ryan Reynolds as Green Lantern and have removed this movie from the lined up canon. (Almost like Incredible Hulk)
Man of Steel - A movie that was successful, but has had huge divide in opinion between people who feel the grim and dark tone is suitable for the story and creates a unique Superman and people who feel it disgraced who Superman is supposed to be.
Wonder Woman (The attempted TV movie) - Wasn't even released, as it was considered too bad for even a TV movie.That's our start. That's our very unsteady start. It's hard to be hopeful with that. But the thing is: I want a good Superman movie. I think Henry Cavil is the best casting for Superman ever. I will fight people on that. The Suicide Squad cast is fantastic as well. I think they need to stop on the overhyping of the Joker, but then again, I'm not here for the Joker. Aquaman and Wonder Woman are probably the two movies, more than any of the DC movies coming out, that I want to be amazing, as one has my favorite DC hero (WW) and the other has Jason freaking Mamoa.
Meanwhile, I'm almost done with Season 1 of the Flash. I can't talk about how much I love that show, because I really love that show. Same with Supergirl, although I'm behind. I find it a sham that they aren't casting the TV actors for the movies. Flawless Barry, Kara, and Oliver casting, but whatever.
I want DC to succeed. I love DC comics. I want Suicide Squad to be good, and I honestly think it will be. I want Batman vs Superman to be good, but I don't see many good decisions here. And it's really tough because of how seriously the movies take themselves.
We look at Ant-Man, and yes, it's a superhero movie, but god knows, it advertised itself with Paul Rudd and Michael Douglas slapping their legs and screaming, "ANTS!" Meanwhile, Batman vs Superman is trying to take itself so seriously with Jesse Eisenberg (whom I like as an actor very much) speaking with a Fozzie Bear voice, and I'm sorry, I can't. I can't look at what I've seen so far and be hopeful. SS hasn't shown anything to make me doubt it yet. I want everything to be good, but if I'm doubtful, I'm allowed to be doubtful.
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For the record, Suicide Squad still worries me, but it looks WAY Better than BvS. The Grimdark tone they're going for lends itself MUCH Better to a st ory where your entire main cast is made up of Murderers, Assassin's, and Psychopaths.
A few of the choices REALLY worry me ("Damaged" being the biggest one by far…..) but overall, I do feel if DC can pull off a "Grimdark DC Comics Movie", Suicide Squad is the best chance of that being the case. I just hope that we get some good dark comedy from it.
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Suicide Squad looks like they're having fun with it; even Jared Leto's doing his best to make ICP Joker work (they never should've shown us the picture that let us see the tattoos.)
And it has Amanda Waller, and I'm always up for her.
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So I guess this forum is… MARVEL oh yeah lets all circle jerk...DC...lets nitpick it to death huh? xD
WFT People are so negative about [Subject I like]!? I am going to insult you all, and dismiss your viewpoint wholesale, quite possibly with some sexual reference, or by painting it in an infantile light. You must be [competetitor in subjects field] Fanboys, lol*! One thing is for certain: I am not going to actually engage with the viewpoint through any sort of debate, or elaborate on my own opinion beyond superficial "This is good, this is bad!" comments xD
*References to "Haters", suggestions that people should just quit consuming [Subject] alltogether, that they're not REAL fans or pleas of "Can we just stop talking about this" optional
Odds are that if your post fits into the above template, its a pretty crap post. It paints you in an unfavorable light from the getgo, from the perspective of the people you presumably want to converse with. Luckily for you, people have chosen to respond with comprehensive posts charting their feelings on the MCU and DCU, and what works and doesn't in each. I daresay it reveals something that is far from a Marvel circlejerk.
You've moved on from insulting others to stating that such an such movies were overhyped/not good as unelaborated "fact", and its OK for the DCU to be gritty and dark - as if the problem people have is exclusively the tone. But you're ignoring that the recent snark is because the dark tone clashes with some awkward creative decisions to make it hilarious. Instead of just flatly stating that gritty and dark is good by virtue of being gritty and dark, why not discuss what exactly the advantages of the style are, and why they appeal to you? Or why you specifically feel that X marvel movie fell through, or why Y criticism of the DCU doesn't hold water.
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Didn't mean to quote Insider.
Based sheerly on how good Iron Man 1 and Avengers were, and how none of the other films have been super awful, Marvel pretty much gets a pass on the lesser films because the really good ones have been REALLY good.
And with GotG and Winter Soldier both being generally considered great films in phase 2, the overall ratio is fine. (Personal opinions will vary a lot, but thats the overall consensus.)
It's pretty much the Pixar thing. Have enough good movies people can give the okay ones a pass for a while… but they'll still be going "that wasn't as good as your other stuff."
Meanwhile DC's recent track record has been... not great. And no, you can't say "restart the count with MoS", because its still been under the Warner Brothers umbrella for decades, so the same people and decision makings, and reactions to those films, have been involved. So yes, you need to count Dark Knight Rises and Green Lantern and Jonah Hex. ANd by any metric you should be including Watchmen because the same director is involved. With a 10 year mercy rule you can narrowly avoid Batman and Robin and Catwoman and Steel at least.
But hey, you get to count Batman Begins and Dark Knight on the positive side, while magically ignoring Superman Returns which came out a year later, so that's something.
(and no, Marvel is not responsible for the Sony and Fox films... either the failures or the successes... though going forward Spiderman is their problem. But hey, at least DC doesn't have to count The Spirit as one of their own!)
I'm not talking about starting the count over. I'm talking about comparing the 2 separate continuous movie universes. MoS is the only movie thus far in DC's. Though, you can technically throw in Green Lantern since that was originally intended to start things off.
If you want to compare both companies overall then, yes, Marvel is also doing much better in that department but otherwise I still stand by the fact DC has just gotten started on there interconnected universe. Furthermore, Marvel movies aren't so great where any other movie they make gets a "pass". I don't even do that for Pixar. Any movie should be able to stand up by their own right and not just play crutch with other greater movies connected to them. It would be an understatement to simply say "that movie just wasn't as good as the others" if that movie was undeniably "bad" in its own right.
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Yes, and everyone agrees Cars 2 was bad. But at the same time most people will simply go "Brave wasn't Pixar's best, but by any standard other than Pixar's its just fine and t would be a great film from any other studio."
You aren't going "Oh my gosh this movie is fantastic because purely its connected to another fantastic movie!" but
"that wasn't as good as the very best they've done, but it doesn't really drag it down enough that I've lost any faith in them… and because their very best is so good, and their general record is decent, I still hold hope for the next one to be good to great."An okay movie next to a couple fantastic movies averages out. Especially when you have something like Downey's charm being a consistent elevating factor in these things, even the lesser movies are fun because he's in them.
I'm not talking about starting the count over. I'm talking about comparing the 2 separate continuous movie universes. MoS is the only movie thus far in DC's. Though, you can technically throw in Green Lantern since that was originally intended to start things off.
When its the same studio, and the same people in charge, hiring the same writers and directors, basing their decisions on the track records of those previous films, yes, it does count. They're going dark and serious because of the lighter failures. They went MoS because Superman Returns didn't set the box office on fire but Dark Kngiht did.
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When its the same studio, and the same people in charge, hiring the same writers and directors, basing their decisions on the track records of those previous films, yes, it does count. They're going dark and serious because of the lighter failures. They went MoS because Superman Returns didn't set the box office on fire but Dark Kngiht did.
So you assume those people didn't learn from the past and/or didn't watched the Marvel movies for inspiration how it is done properly?
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Honestly, I do think that going for a wildly different tone and aesthetic than Marvel is the smart thing to do here. The reason I never got around to seeing MoS was only initially because of the Dark Knight vibes; ultimately it was more due not sounding like that good a movie, script/structure wise.
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(2008) Iron Man (Great)
(2008) The Incredible Hulk (No thank you…)
(2010) Iron Man 2 (Bad…fell asleep in the movie theater bad)
(2011) Thor (I liked it but admittedly a pretty bad superhero flick.)
(2012) Captain America: The First Avenger (Boring)
(2013) Marvels: The First Avenger (Great)
(2013) Iron Man 3 (Another movie I liked that others didn't feel partial to)
(2013) Thor: The Dark World (Pretty bad and barely saved by Loki)
(2014) Captain America: The Winter Soldier (Great)
(2014) Guardians of the Galaxy (Great)
(2015) Avengers: Age of Ultron (Pretty Good)
(2015) Ant-Man **(Great)'^' me too
Iron Man cool n funny
Incredible Hulk loved the action
Iron Man 2 ok
Thor boring :(
The first Avenger boring
Avengers pretty cool and very funny. loved the punch from hulk against that flying snake thingy^^
Iron Man 3 cool
Dark World awesome. loved the 'team up' somehow :/
Winter Soldier jo, very nice
Guardians of the Galaxy good
Age of Ultron lame
Ant Man haven't watched it yetConsidering Watchmen and all other movies zack made, plus that MoS stomps all Marvel Movies till now, there is not a single doubt in my mind that BvS will be atleast amazing as fuck. It could happen that i will be disappointed, but only because i expect nothing less than the greatest movie in the history of the world.
I have also a good feeling that Civil War could be the best Marvel Movie. I am also interested in Deadpool. Could be funny. Whatever, i just want good movies, don't care from which side they come^^.**
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Yes, and everyone agrees Cars 2 was bad. But at the same time most people will simply go "Brave wasn't Pixar's best, but by any standard other than Pixar's its just fine and t would be a great film from any other studio."
You aren't going "Oh my gosh this movie is fantastic because purely its connected to another fantastic movie!" but
"that wasn't as good as the very best they've done, but it doesn't really drag it down enough that I've lost any faith in them… and because their very best is so good, and their general record is decent, I still hold hope for the next one to be good to great."An okay movie next to a couple fantastic movies averages out. Especially when you have something like Downey's charm being a consistent elevating factor in these things, even the lesser movies are fun because he's in them.
When its the same studio, and the same people in charge, hiring the same writers and directors, basing their decisions on the track records of those previous films, yes, it does count. They're going dark and serious because of the lighter failures. They went MoS because Superman Returns didn't set the box office on fire but Dark Kngiht did.
But we're not going to let movies like Jonah Hex, Green Lantern, Watchmen, and even the Dark Knight trilogy be judged as part of the DCCU when they're literally not a part of the DCCU. Judging the overall company of DC movies is a fair comparison but the direction of the DCCU, the vision, and interconnectedness of the movies automatically separate them from previous standalone movies made before by the company.
When simply comparing or rating the DCCU I don't think it's fair to throw in movies made before it, even if by the same company. And, yes, a good record gives better hope for a good release of another film but regardless of who is releasing the film you're always hoping for a good movie.
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So you assume those people didn't learn from the past and/or didn't watched the Marvel movies for inspiration how it is done properly?
Judging from Dark Knight Returns? Man of Steel? And the previews so far of BvS?
Nope, not at all.
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Judging the overall company of DC movies is a fair comparison but the direction of the DCCU, the vision, and interconnectedness of the movies automatically separate them from previous standalone movies made before by the company.
Unless there's a big flop and they change all their plans again like they did after Green Lantern. Or how quickly they swerved from doing Superman 2 into doing a Batman film instead after they weren't happy with that one either. Or how they're cramming in everything Justice League in an effort to hurry to Justice League. (The same mistake the largely unliked Iron Man 2 made.)
They don't know what they're doing, they haven't learned from that track record, they're just going "I guess these directors did okay dark films before, let em do something." and "We should be different from Marvel, so screw having fun!"
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Iron Man (awesome introduction to the MCU, great performance by Downey Jr.)
Incredible Hulk (I never saw it:ninja:) Iron Man 2 (guilty pleasure of mine. I know it's weak, but RDJ still rocks, and I really enjoy Sam Rockwell as Justin Hammer) Thor (alright imo) Captain America (eh..its a bit boring) Avengers (super awesome fun times) Iron Man 3 (I'm in the crowd that thoroughly enjoyed it) Thor 2 (only seen it once so far, but it left a mediocre impression. Loki saved the movie) Captain America: Winter Soldier (very cool and badass, one of my favorites) Guardians of the Galaxy (very fun, great cast of unique characters, showed that Marvel has some balls for using such unknown characters) Avengers: Age of Ultron (pretty, pretty good, but I have to watch it again to really compare it to the first part) Ant-Man (loved it probably even more because I wasn't sure what to expect. Very fun, enjoyable movie) OverallI think I prefer Phase 2 to Phase 1….in Phase 1, there are only two movies I think are really good, while Phase 2 has only one movie that I would call subpar. I really hope Thor 3 can break Thor's bad streak.Regarding MoS, I just watched it a few months ago, and I severly disliked. As a fan of the Dark Knight trilogy (including DKR). It was just very badly written. Bad, weird character motivations: Lois Lane is just doing everything she can to help Clark Kent...because, well.....I guess she likes him or something? Who knows, their romance does get zero attention or development, they just kiss suddenly. Pa Kent sacrifices his life in order to save the family dog, and he forbids his son to save him, because.....there is a slight possibility that people might think he is a freak? (Not to mention the advice to let a schoolbus full of children drown to hide your secrets). And Clark Kent honestly just stands by and lets him die, because he told him to?? Worst Superhero ever!Bad characters: seriously, either the script writers or most of the actors were horrible, but there is just no single character in the movie to invoke any sympathy. They are non-characters. There is just no reason given at any point why you should like anyone. They are just there and they are bland.
Bad climax: After Superman and Zod smash into the twentieth building, you kinda stop caring. Also not helped by the fact that you don't care about anybody to begin with. This is actually a major advantage of the Dark Knight Trilogy: you actually care about most of the characters, because they are fun or sympathetic or well-acted or all of the above. So you care when Commissioner Gordon is shot and seemingly killed, you care when Rachel is killed and Harvey Dent screams in agony and despair, and you care when Alfred sits crying at Bruce Wayne's grave. MoS does not earn any of this because it doesn't spend time making its characters likeable or worthwile. Why should I root for Jor-El when he is fighting the rebels in the beginning? I don't even know what's going on and why. Why should I care when Pa Kent dies? He sacrifices himself for a really stupid reason and, by all accounts, he seemed like a horrible father figure.
Stupid plot choices: These are even more glaring when the movie is trying to look very sophisticated. If the movie was fun or enjoyable to watch instead of boring and dreadful, you could maybe overlook these because atleast you would be having a good time. And dark and grim does not equal boring and dreadful; Dark Knight is dark and grim and at the same, a very enjoyable film to watch, imho.
So, there, many problems with Man of Steel, and they barely have anything to do with it being a serious film.