how would everyone react if Oda pulled a GOT and killed them off?
then i'd expect lord of light to bring them back
how would everyone react if Oda pulled a GOT and killed them off?
then i'd expect lord of light to bring them back
Could be a Bulldog or a long fanged monkey like the macaca philippinensis or mandrills.
Considering his respect for Wanda, he might as well be Bulldog mink. For me he didn't give a loin's vibe, he could be a hybrid or a df user though.
He's obviously feline and his ears look like ears of a lion. Holy shit, it's Leomon!
Wonder what Wanda meant with "you're lucky the Moon is not full". Do the animals get more feral or something?
Lol, just saw there's an indie rock band called Pedro the Lion. Kinda doubt that's what inspired Oda. The band had 4 albums and the members split in 2006.
There's also a football player, Pedro Leon.
I don't know if this has been clarified yet, but both in the mangastream and mangapanda version it is implied that Wanda won't forgive/show mercy to Luffy for trespassing which seems a little strange with how she apparently saved them:
Mangastream: "He might be their captain but… we will show no mercy"
Mangapanda: "Well it doesn't matter to me even if he was their captain… No mercy will be shown"
If she is talking about "we" as a group and thus as a part of the guardians, it somewhat makes sense, but most of the time even the closest groups would use "they" when talking about nakama acting on their own. In the Mangapanda version "me" makes it even more specific, it could've (or should've) been left out completely if they were talking about the guardians.
It's probably nothing, but was just wondering.
You know, it looked silly to think that Swirly hats changed into minks at first, but now I'm starting to think that could be true lol.
There is something fishy about these minks, and Jimbei is not here. Steal the clothes? Dog girl has same body as nami and hair? The gorilla has a afro like brook and a suit like sanji and brook? The lifeless bodies of the human straw hats?
And that mink fox girl from chapter 795, what if she is the real DOG GIRL and she ended up like nami after stealing her soul/something?
What if they did the same thing to raizou and that monkey that hit kinemon was raizou Who got his, in lack or other words, his soul stolen by the monkey?
Don't Think Jackl had anything to do with this. Maybe for them so save their lifes after jack's chaos, they had to steal the ''life'' from the straw hats bodies?
Do we know the shape of monster Chopper's footprints ?
Supposing there is some kind of soul swapping, we've probably seen Nami, Sanji, Brook and maybe Caesar, which leaves Chopper and Momo somewhere else. I wonder if we'll see anything similar to them in the future.
I needed to read the chapter 795 to understand and there is quite some hints already of what happened!
1-Nami wasn't wearing the cloth Wanda is wearing now
2-They encounter may be one of the guardian named Sheepshead and other minks.
3- The minks noticed that the samurai wasn't with them.
4-We can clearly see Jack hat with his jolly roger on this page http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v79/c795/12.html
So after all it's the same Jack that was on Zou.
Wanda wasn't there at the time but might have encounter the crew and Nami helped her by giving her cloth to put on her before she thinks seeing them dead.
I needed to read the chapter 795 to understand and there is quite some hints already of what happened!
1-Nami wasn't wearing the cloth Wanda is wearing now
2-They encounter may be one of the guardian named Sheepshead and other minks.
3- The minks noticed that the samurai wasn't with them.
4-We can clearly see Jack hat with his jolly roger on this page http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v79/c795/12.htmlSo after all it's the same Jack that was on Zou.
Wanda wasn't there at the time but might have encounter the crew and Nami helped her by giving her cloth to put on her before she thinks seeing them dead.
1. Nami was wearing different clothes altogether than the outfit Wanda is wearing.
2&4. The only thing with the kaido jolly roger I see there is Sheepheads belt where he's on the ground in the bottom left panels.
3. Likely Kaido's crew not the minks.
from the footprints on this chapter, and from the ship design (chap 801), Jack should be an elephant zoan user
1. Nami was wearing different clothes altogether than the outfit Wanda is wearing.
2&4. The only thing with the kaido jolly roger I see there is Sheepheads belt where he's on the ground in the bottom left panels.
3. Likely Kaido's crew not the minks.
I didn't noticed but yeah i think it's Sheepsheads belt, so these guys are from the Kaidou crew, Jack's fleet.
So Sanji and co encounter Jack's crew, which leads to Wanda telling that only corpse was left…
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from the footprints on this chapter, and from the ship design (chap 801), Jack should be an elephant zoan user
Elephantception? i doubt it, looks like dinosaur footprints, elephants don't have claws anyway.
Elephantception? i doubt it, looks like dinosaur footprints, elephants don't have claws anyway.
Claws and footprints don't have to be connected. He could have a mammoth fruit, for example (elephant df was used already), and some iron claws as weapons on his arms. Or maybe the footprints and claw marks weren't done by the same person. I would hope Jack isn't the only dangerous person on his ship. If he were to come back to Zou, who are the other members supposed to fight?
I think Kuro is a member of Jack's crew! (Not really.)
I don't know if this has been clarified yet, but both in the mangastream and mangapanda version it is implied that Wanda won't forgive/show mercy to Luffy for trespassing which seems a little strange with how she apparently saved them:
Mangastream: "He might be their captain but… we will show no mercy"
Mangapanda: "Well it doesn't matter to me even if he was their captain… No mercy will be shown"If she is talking about "we" as a group and thus as a part of the guardians, it somewhat makes sense, but most of the time even the closest groups would use "they" when talking about nakama acting on their own. In the Mangapanda version "me" makes it even more specific, it could've (or should've) been left out completely if they were talking about the guardians.
It's probably nothing, but was just wondering.
Ishuhui's translation has it as "they will show no mercy", referring to the Guardians.
This is probably one of those Japanese sentences where the subject is inferred (No mercy will be shown).
It just so happens that both mangapanda and mangastream decided the subject to be Wanda, rather than something more logical.
@Long:
The hostage theory is what I have in mind. He sacked the city and took prisoners. His men have been guarding them and using that as a way to get the mink to do their bidding. A yonko commander and a lot of men should be able to pull this off.
Yup, that's what I'm thinking too.
how would everyone react if Oda pulled a GOT and killed them off?
I would laugh for an hour straight then lay down and cry 'til death.
Claws and footprints don't have to be connected. He could have a mammoth fruit, for example (elephant df was used already), and some iron claws as weapons on his arms. Or maybe the footprints and claw marks weren't done by the same person. I would hope Jack isn't the only dangerous person on his ship. If he were to come back to Zou, who are the other members supposed to fight?
I think Kuro is a member of Jack's crew! (Not really.)
These gurdians look strong and their intentions are not very clear. Maybe they could end up fighting the rest of the crew.
Claws and footprints don't have to be connected. He could have a mammoth fruit, for example (elephant df was used already), and some iron claws as weapons on his arms. Or maybe the footprints and claw marks weren't done by the same person. I would hope Jack isn't the only dangerous person on his ship. If he were to come back to Zou, who are the other members supposed to fight?
I think Kuro is a member of Jack's crew! (Not really.)
mammoth, mmm i doubt it again, i don't think he can be one of those animals, something more dangerous, like a velociraptor for example.
any of the crew we saw on the previous chapters were shown with claws so yeah doubt it, sheepsheads looks like he could compete against brook but not against Sanji.
So is Pandaman from mink tribe?
:ninja:
@uniaka:
These gurdians look strong and their intentions are not very clear. Maybe they could end up fighting the rest of the crew.
Their intentions are to protect their homeland and they're SH allies without a single doubt. I'd compare them to Shandians who were also hostile at first. Most likely SH will have to prove themselves. But it seemed they already considered Swirlies friends or something close to it.
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mammoth, mmm i doubt it again, i don't think he can be one of those animals, something more dangerous, like a velociraptor for example.
any of the crew we saw on the previous chapters were shown with claws so yeah doubt it, sheepsheads looks like he could compete against brook but not against Sanji.
Maybe it's not even him, but a member of his crew.
Obviously, there are other crewmen beside those that were left on Zou.
On another note, what are the chances that there are some weird hybrid SMILE devil fruits out there? Don't see why they couldn't have been able to create mutant animal devil fruits. Just a thought.
Their intentions are to protect their homeland and they're SH allies without a single doubt. I'd compare them to Shandians who were also hostile at first. Most likely SH will have to prove themselves. But it seemed they already considered Swirlies friends or something close to it.
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Maybe it's not even him, but a member of his crew.
Obviously, there are other crewmen beside those that were left on Zou.
On another note, what are the chances that there are some weird hybrid SMILE devil fruits out there? Don't see why they couldn't have been able to create mutant animal devil fruits. Just a thought.
"They see them as non-enemies" seems to be the most accurate version.
However I think this destruction of Jack's is actually happened when we saw Sanji the last time. In that chapter we saw both Sheepshead and other Kaido's men, which may be Jack's. If that's the case, it could be:
Day 1 - Doflamingo's defeat
Day 2-3 - Sanji vs. Sheepshead, Jack destroys Zou
Day 4 - Luffy & Co. sail from Dressrosa
Day 11 - Luffy & Co. reach Zou
how would everyone react if Oda pulled a GOT and killed them off?
It'd be amazing as it'd put a sense of risk and danger back into the series that it's sorely lacked, and allow a mixing up of the crew.
But they aren't really dead.
I really like the "they got turned into trees like the whale" theory.
And as much as I dislike your theory Uniaka, I think you are right about the gorilla wearing Sanji's clothes. Good catch.
"They see them as non-enemies" seems to be the most accurate version.
However I think this destruction of Jack's is actually happened when we saw Sanji the last time. In that chapter we saw both Sheepshead and other Kaido's men, which may be Jack's. If that's the case, it could be:
Day 1 - Doflamingo's defeat
Day 2-3 - Sanji vs. Sheepshead, Jack destroys Zou
Day 4 - Luffy & Co. sail from Dressrosa
Day 11 - Luffy & Co. reach Zou
I think it was after Jack had already left. We saw Sanji and the others the day after we saw Kaido's men receiving news of Dofla's defeat so he should have received the same news if he has any contact with the others. Which would have prompted him to go and try to get him back.
Then there's the fact that Minks seemed to have fresh marks of fighting and seemed to be constantly prepared for battle. Leads me to believe someone else besides Minks and StrawHearts is on the island. That would be Jack's people, who are left there to try to finish the job until he can come back. Either way, it seemed they were there for a while, since they were able to ride those gators.
@Bond:
Ishuhui's translation has it as "they will show no mercy", referring to the Guardians.
This is probably one of those Japanese sentences where the subject is inferred (No mercy will be shown).
It just so happens that both mangapanda and mangastream decided the subject to be Wanda, rather than something more logical.
Thanks for the clarification!
I don't know if this has been clarified yet, but both in the mangastream and mangapanda version it is implied that Wanda won't forgive/show mercy to Luffy for trespassing which seems a little strange with how she apparently saved them:
Mangastream: "He might be their captain but… we will show no mercy"
Mangapanda: "Well it doesn't matter to me even if he was their captain… No mercy will be shown"If she is talking about "we" as a group and thus as a part of the guardians, it somewhat makes sense, but most of the time even the closest groups would use "they" when talking about nakama acting on their own. In the Mangapanda version "me" makes it even more specific, it could've (or should've) been left out completely if they were talking about the guardians.
It's probably nothing, but was just wondering.
No pronoun was given, simply stating that no mercy will be given.
She's clearly talking about the Guardians will show no mercy upon intruders, and that's the reason why she's in a hurry - to diffuse the situation.
No pronoun was given, simply stating that no mercy will be given.
She's clearly talking about the Guardians will show no mercy upon intruders, and that's the reason why she's in a hurry - to diffuse the situation.
Thanks for the explanation, a bad translation by both sites then. I suppose they can't pay (enough) to have Aohige translations :happy:
You're assuming that the strawhats in Bartolomeo's ship with no navigator (except grandma :) ) took the fastest way possible, and you forgot that Sanji and co arrived at Zou in one day.
This is a timeline starting from the day the crew landed in Dressrosa for those who are confused (including myself):
- 1st day (ch 1-795) : The end of the fight with Doflamingo + Fujitora throws the 1st die (in the night).
- 2nd day (ch 795) : Sanji and co arrive at Zou + Kaidou appears + Fujitora throws the die for the 2nd time (off screen).
- 3rd day (ch 796 - 802) : Sengoku and Tsuru arrive at dressrosa + Fujitora throws the die for the 3rd time and goes after Luffy and Law + Luffy and co depart from Dressrosa + The marine ships leave Dressrosa + Jack trying to attack them + The new bounties + Weeble appears. (A lot of shit happened)
- 10th day/one week after Luffy and co left Dressrosa/9 days after Sanji and co arrived at Zou (ch 802 - current chapter) : Luffy and co arrive at Zou.
So if it takes one day to reach Zou from Dressrosa and we don't know where Jack was before attacking Zou ,he could have done that before Sanji and co arrived or after they arrived since they have been there for about 9 days.
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His position was that he's claiming the destruction of Mokomo could have happened after Jack attacked the marine ship.
Your explanation does not support it, nor do mine, so why are you arguing me? You should be arguing HT.
Elephantception? i doubt it, looks like dinosaur footprints, elephants don't have claws anyway.
Drake? :blink:
If Jack would have beaten the mink tribe they weren't be there as rulers or guardians of the town; at least that he simply interrupted the fight to go to help Doffy. Anyway, it's odd that the island was just devastated and the author of the devastation is not in the island. Like the first time in OP? Maybe it's a different plot than the pattern: villain has subdued the natives-Strawhats arrive to rescue them.
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His position was that he's claiming the destruction of Mokomo could have happened after Jack attacked the marine ship.
Your explanation does not support it, nor do mine, so why are you arguing me? You should be arguing HT.
In chapter 795 we see swirly hat crew battling kaido men in zou. in 802 we see Jack going after fuji's fleet. The most likely happened scenario is jack raiding zou then going after fuji imho
In chapter 795 we see swirly hat crew battling kaido men in zou. in 802 we see Jack going after fuji's fleet. The most likely happened scenario is jack raiding zou then going after fuji imho
Yes and he was already out of Zou when we saw Sanji and the others.
At least that's what I think. Other Kaido pirates heard the news of Dofla's fall the day before.
Drake? :blink:
If Jack would have beaten the mink tribe they weren't be there as rulers or guardians of the town; at least that he simply interrupted the fight to go to help Doffy. Anyway, it's odd that the island was just devastated and the author of the devastation is not in the island. Like the first time in OP? Maybe it's a different plot than the pattern: villain has subdued the natives-Strawhats arrive to rescue them.
It all ties in into a bigger plot.
It's pretty evident jack was on zoo for MOMO, but he didn't find him because obviously the 3 bodyguards of momo crashed.
Their 3D bodyguard is a mink, hence why they could reach zoo, I feel there was some kind of compromise deal between Kaido zoo wano and Momo.
It's getting a bit clearer since punk hazard
In chapter 795 we see swirly hat crew battling kaido men in zou. in 802 we see Jack going after fuji's fleet. The most likely happened scenario is jack raiding zou then going after fuji imho
That's what me, you, and him are all saying.
Considering his attack on marines happened after Luffy left Dressrosa, and destruction of Mokomo happened at least a week if not two before Luffy & co arrived.
Anyone wonders who is the guy that was tortured ?!!! Could it be Our favorite curly eyebrow cook?!!!
Well climate change + over hunting is the prevailing hypothesis at the moment…So lack of adaptive capacity/natural selection played a part.
This is almost certainly what will kill us.
If we are talking in terms of extinction, and biology, creatures are only "good" or successful relative to their environment. If the environment changes too much, there is mothing any animal - no matter how "adaptive" - can do, or be blamed for not doing.
At least climate change wasn't the fault of Mammoth's; we're gonna go extinct due to our own mistakes. How much worse does that make us?
@LordEnel:
It all ties in into a bigger plot.
It's pretty evident jack was on zoo for MOMO, but he didn't find him because obviously the 3 bodyguards of momo crashed.
Their 3D bodyguard is a mink, hence why they could reach zoo, I feel there was some kind of compromise deal between Kaido zoo wano and Momo.
It's getting a bit clearer since punk hazard
Yes: kaido-doffly-wano are all they related. It's too soon for Luffy vs Kaido, and the mink tribe seems to be more apt to be allies than rivals of Luffy. I don't see Jack coming back from his meeting with Sengoku & co. So I'm wondering who is the rival here? But everything is possible, and maybe Jack makes a believable come back. But I don't see Luffy meeting Doffly again in the short time.
No it just mean that you need to concentrate to analyse its result better. Kinda like a noise which you want to find the origin of. Anyway nowhere is it said that it is something you switch on/off
ps : your link didn’t work for me
Satori literally says "If I can't concentrate, I can't use Mantra". I don't know if you're noticing, but you're the one who's believing how things work now (where the fuck did this results analysis come from?).
Considering that CoA and CoC need to be activated, it's only natural that CoO is the same.
Also, here's Enel activating Mantra. It's just like how Luffy says "Armament" when wanting to use CoA.
@LordEnel:
It all ties in into a bigger plot.
It's pretty evident jack was on zoo for MOMO, but he didn't find him because obviously the 3 bodyguards of momo crashed.
Their 3D bodyguard is a mink, hence why they could reach zoo, I feel there was some kind of compromise deal between Kaido zoo wano and Momo.
It's getting a bit clearer since punk hazard
jack's men were already on the island BEFORE the strawhats..so they couldn't be there for momo
actually they werre there for a "samurai",we know that much
and they couldn't be there BEFORE dressrosa because they were trying to reah zou the whole time
Interesting developments, a lot of mystery on this island. Awesome!
That island is screwed, somthing happened here. Kaido's army has to be involved in all of this. One of those crazy zoans that can transform into something gigantic. Jack might be part of Kaido's squad, but I won't throw out the idea that he's a lone wolf.
Does look like Law's crew were involved in the battle looking at their general condition. I assume we'll be getting fuller explanations once Law catches up to them. Maybe she'll just tell Luffy what's going on, but I don't trust her either.
Those minks are very strong, neutralizing Gomu Bell, and throwing Jean Bart to the ground no problem. Like their potential as future allies once Luffy fixes everything. Their weakness is stereotypical animal stuff, fluttering thing & Banana, I laughed.
So how many days has it been since the Strawhats were separated, I'm having a hard time keeping track. I thought it was a few days, but traveling with Barto made it 10?
I am going to assume that the flutturing thing is red.
how would everyone react if Oda pulled a GOT and killed them off?
Major disappointment. This isn't the series I go to for gruesome excess deaths; that's already extremely trendy at the moment and overdone. This is the series I go to to see people working towards their dreams/coming back into the story even after being put into situations where they should be dead, to see what they have to offer the plot. A gigantic web of characters that can always offer surprise relevance down the road (see: Bellamy). We know people still can die, it just has to be a major world-shaking death if it's done in the present. That doesn't mean it'll be a predictable death either, though – only some of the vets here predicted Ace's death.
I am going to assume that the flutturing thing is red.
it wouldn't really matter since bulls can't see colors
Do you think I will be even more butthurt next week and start complaining again? :sad:
I want to be happy for once post ts
how would everyone react if Oda pulled a GOT and killed them off?
"What a major waste."
So is Spandam's sword :ninja:
Spandam sword was made by vegapunk, it's a sword that made it eat the fruit, i believe only Vegapunk could do that.
The way she folds her arm is the same too.
Be super duper careful, though. Wanda & Nami’s eyebrows are different. I noticed that, but I didn’t give it proper thought at the time, until I verified the similarities in eyebrows between Nami and Wanda and discovered otherwise
@jabso:
I feel like this is just coincidence.
Same here.. its a common stance for females, I even do that
That may be true; I do agree with you, guys
@RamistaR:
I am going to assume that the flutturing thing is red.
I did a tiny research on this, & I found that all cattle are colour-blind. The colour red has been adopted for the muleta (the small cape used in the final stage of bullfighting) because it minimizes the appearance of blood and other stains and produces a more colourful spectacle. Bulls charge at any color as readily as they do the red muleta. It is ‘motion’ that provokes the bull’s charge.
Sometime, the concept that bulls charge at the colour red is used in comic moments. In Naruto(the anime version), there was an episode in which the bulls were charging at the red swirl on Naruto's back
how would everyone react if Oda pulled a GOT and killed them off?
Id be pretty pissed off if he killed half the cast in such a fashion after offscreening them like that for such a long time. That wouldn
t be a big twist to surprise the readers, it would bad storytelling. Nami, Sanji, Chopper and Brook all deserve much better than that. Dont get me wrong, if Oda chooses to kill off a main character in a big dramatic scene, I would probably like it…but not like this. Even though it is a little too extreme from time to time, in general, I appreciate how Oda seems to really care about all of his characters and doesn
t just kill them for pure shock value. The three major deaths in the series so far ( Im counting the Going Merry's goodbye scene, since it was pretty much treated like a funeral of a friend) plus flashback deaths in general are usually done in a really beautiful and satisfying way and I wouldn
t want to loose this aspect of the series in favor of Oda becoming more hardcore and brutal as an author.
Interesting developments, a lot of mystery on this island. Awesome!
That island is screwed, somthing happened here. Kaido's army has to be involved in all of this. One of those crazy zoans that can transform into something gigantic. Jack might be part of Kaido's squad, but I won't throw out the idea that he's a lone wolf.
Does look like Law's crew were involved in the battle looking at their general condition. I assume we'll be getting fuller explanations once Law catches up to them. Maybe she'll just tell Luffy what's going on, but I don't trust her either.
Those minks are very strong, neutralizing Gomu Bell, and throwing Jean Bart to the ground no problem. Like their potential as future allies once Luffy fixes everything. Their weakness is stereotypical animal stuff, fluttering thing & Banana, I laughed.
So how many days has it been since the Strawhats were separated, I'm having a hard time keeping track. I thought it was a few days, but traveling with Barto made it 10?
im leaning unto lone wolf in contrast with subordinate but that has context, he's like Doffy in relationship to Kaido, he's the one producing weapons in return for doing as he pleases mostly, and doing enforcing in Kaido territory.
jack's men were already on the island BEFORE the strawhats..so they couldn't be there for momo
actually they werre there for a "samurai",we know that much
and they couldn't be there BEFORE dressrosa because they were trying to reah zou the whole time
What? Momo and the samurais where going to zoo, in the first place, where they were gonna meet jack, they crashed along the way, so they didn't make it.
Spandam sword was made by vegapunk, it's a sword that made it eat the fruit, i believe only Vegapunk could do that.
Was it not just a sword that ate an elephant fruit? I don't think it ever states that he "made the sword" just that he figured out how to feed fruits to inanimate objects.
Was it not just a sword that ate an elephant fruit? I don't think it ever states that he "made the sword" just that he figured out how to feed fruits to inanimate objects.
This is what i tried to say, english isn't my mother tongue so sometimes i might make sentences mistakes….
Vegapunk made the sword eating the fruit, a sword can't eat a fruit by itself, only Vegapunk is able to do it from what it was said before, the only thing is was it a real devil fruit or a fake, Vegapunk is known to have worked with Ceasar for some times so he might access smiles? nothing to prove for now.
Satori literally says "If I can't concentrate, I can't use Mantra". I don't know if you're noticing, but you're the one who's believing how things work now (where the fuck did this results analysis come from?).
Considering that CoA and CoC need to be activated, it's only natural that CoO is the same.
Also, here's Enel activating Mantra. It's just like how Luffy says "Armament" when wanting to use CoA.
Given our previous exchange, you could have understood that I don’t claim it to be the truth. This analysis comes from an analogy with the sense of hearing which I don’t think is absurd to compare observation haki with, given it works like a sense, that it allows you to hear things, that its accuracy increases with concentration, that your brain can get use to it and filter it, that it is still active when you sleep and that it doesn’t switch on/off… And Maju made exactly the same analogy previously btw...
Enel saying mantra doesn’t prove anything. If i’m nervous and I said "breath" to calm me down it does not mean i activate my respiration.
The 3 hakis have only the name in common so saying they work the same is something I won’t do. Especially when mantra becoming haki has all the sound of being a retcon.