Havent red the manga sincce Punk Hazard.
Finally came back and read the last two chapters. This chapter was pretty good. I enjoy how Oda managed to fit a good amount of content in one chapter.
Why was it only 14 pages though?
Chapter 803: Climbing the elephant
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FMA 03> FMA Brotherhood
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The burgess part I'm still waiting for Oda explanation. How can an island the WG and others have no clue about is easily found by a dying Burgess so casually and easily? Me personally think Sabo did it intentionally, Sabo knew Burgess was there and brought him to the HQ and probably has told Dragon about it and that will explain why Dragon asked Kola to summon the leaders all over the world, after all we know that Sabo talked to dragon after he arrived.
I am quite puzzled why so many people think this. Literally, Dragon himself said the leaders of the RA were being gathered so they can plan how to capitalize best on the global unrest caused by Doflamingo's fall. And we know by Shiryu and Lafitte's reactions, the Blackbeard Pirates had no idea where Burgess was until now. Why on earth would they let him call them in and get in a un-needed battle with one of the strongest pirates around and risk more people knowing about where their HQ is when they could just kill Burgess and let Blackbeard never know what happened and get back to that whole Liberation of the Masses thing.
Also, if Dragon really did want to gather his troops for fighting Blackbeard, wouldn't he instruct Koala to tell them about it, as well?
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We dont know yet how many power WG have besides Marine, warlord and chiper pol.
Jinbe said after Shirohige dead and aokiji resign, WG gave marine a power that can't be imagined ( a monster like fujitora and ryokugyu or anything else )
Just like DARK_RITUAL say, if Dragon have a motive want to overthrow WG he must have a bigger power than yonko.
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What makes you think that Dragon wants to overthrow the WG with sheer power
Because he has been amassing his army through the spread of propaganda against the World Government and the conquest of many kingdoms.
Here are proofs on this matter:
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@Shadowgreed:and even use an ancient weapon at that?
I have created a theory called 'The National Treasure Is the Ancient Weapon Uranus'. If you want to know and/ or discuss this matter, go there. I have even used a link to that thread in my previous post so as to avoid being asked such questions.
Jesus has no knowledge whatsoever on who is currently on Baltigo besides Sabo of course, the only reason he mentioned Dragon was because its the HQ and that doesn't make him vulnerable but instead gives the advantage.
Your argument suggests that he's been hazarding guesses, which couldn't be the case because everything he has said was congruent with the reality of things.
what makes you think this?
It's just like Desa said. If Blackbeard had held no interest in weaponry and stuff that makes him 'stronger'(like other people's devil fruits), Burgess wouldn't have told him that on the belief that he will attack Baltigo.
Well because Burgess mentions only Dragon and Sabo name doesn't mean they are the only strong ones there
That is why I said 'according to Burgess'. Blackbeard is most likely to make a move on the information that Burgess sent him, & that information says that Dragon & Sabo are there, suggesting that it's the only strongest individuals Burgess was able to confirm. There is also the order that Dragon has given to gather the leaders of the revolutionary army, which strengthens this idea(that Dragon and Sabo are the only strongest individuals on Baltigo).
@DARK_RITUAL:, Oda can't have Burgess giving out names of other top guys of revolutionary army like that, so if there are others on the island then we will only know about them when Oda gives them proper introduction..
Back at Impel Down, Iva was giving out names of important figures long before their proper introductions(Catalina Devon, Sanjuan Wolf, Vasco shot, etc).
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That is no reason for it not to happen.No way I'm I going to believe that the most wanted man in the world stays in his HQ by himself with no other top members by his side at always.
That island appears to be 'unknown' to people aside from the revolutionaries. Perhaps Dragon is overconfident that he wouldn't be found. Perhaps he is confident in his strength in case Baltigo was found. Perhaps that's a risk he has to take in order to succeed in his revolutionary plans.
BB attacking revolutionary HQ and Dragon and Sabo are the only strong ones there, that will be a bad writing in odas part. That's like going to attack marine HQ and not expect to run into Akainu with 2 other admirals with multiple vice admirals and by the way Dragon also just called other leaders.
Back at the war, Teach was bold enough to come to Marine HQ, to attack Whitebeard and steal his ability, and to try to sink the Marine HQ even though there was the fleet admiral, Sengoku; three admirals; 7 warlords and Garp.
After the time skip, Teach has most likely gained enough power to be a big threat to the Marine HQ. One of the things we know he does to augment his battle powers is the 'hunt of devil fruit users'.
Furthermore, as Whitebeard said before his demise, he overestimates himself.!
That overestimation could make him pull off something like that.The burgess part I'm still waiting for Oda explanation. How can an island the WG and others have no clue about is easily found by a dying Burgess so casually and easily? Me personally think Sabo did it intentionally, Sabo knew Burgess was there and brought him to the HQ and probably has told Dragon about it and that will explain why Dragon asked Kola to summon the leaders all over the world, after all we know that Sabo talked to dragon after he arrived.
About that, as you may know, a ship is pretty huge. It has a lot of places wherein a person can hide.
Regarding the detection of Burgess' location using Color of Observation(also known as Mantra in Skypea), when a person is 'unconscious', you cannot detect him with 'Mantra', and Burgess was unconscious on one of the revolutionaries' ships.
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Remember in Skypea, people's 'voices' were disappearing to Mantra users when those people either 'die' or become 'unconscious'.
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This explains why he was undetectable to Mantra.
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Because he has been amassing his army through the spread of propaganda against the World Government and the conquest of many kingdoms.
Here are proofs on this matter:
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[qimg]http://i.imgur.com/s7ro34h.jpg[/qimg]Those pages just reaffirm that he goes against the WG ideals, it doesn't say that he will overthrow them using sheer force.
You should know the meaning of the world "Propaganda" since you use a lot of useless words.
I have created a theory called 'The National Treasure Is the Ancient Weapon Uranus'. If you want to know and/ or discuss this matter, go there. I have even used a link to that thread in my previous post so as to avoid being asked such questions.
I'm not interested in reading a wall of test just to find out that my question to you wasn't answered, so here it is again: why would Dragon use an Ancient Weapon to overthrow the WG?
Your argument suggests that he's been hazarding guesses, which couldn't be the case because everything he has said was congruent with the reality of things.
Congruent with the reality of things? Are you saying that you actually know who else is inside that base or that the base is so small that only Dragon, Sabo and Koala + a few no names seen in the background can be the only ones to fit in?
It's just like Desa said. If Blackbeard had held no interest in weaponry and stuff that makes him 'stronger'(like other people's devil fruits), Burgess wouldn't have told him that on the belief that he will attack Baltigo.
Nope, Jesus pride has been annihilated, he'll do anything to take back at Sabo for putting him in that state.
I'm not saying that Blackbeard might not attack cuz he might but he will fail at whatever he plans on doing. Heck, he just might send his guys to pick up Jesus and say "is not the time Jesus".
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Maybe WG itself could play a role here. Imagine BB and Dragon forces battle eachother, then marines show up…:ninja:
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Those pages just reaffirm that he goes against the WG ideals, it doesn't say that he will overthrow them using sheer force.
Do you realize that the word 'overthrow' means to remove forcibly from power? That's one thing that proves that he aims to use sheer power to remove them from power.
He provokes revolutions in many kingdoms. Those kingdoms fall to the revolutionary forces. That process gives birth to new governments under the control of Dragon. That means he is both weakening the Government and amassing power.
You should know the meaning of the world "Propaganda" since you use a lot of useless words.
When an organized group - revolutionary army, in this case - embarks upon a program to win over the public, the ideas and arguments it uses are called 'propaganda'.
@Shadowgreed:I'm not interested in reading a wall of test just to find out that my question to you wasn't answered, so here it is again: why would Dragon use an Ancient Weapon to overthrow the WG?
If your curiosity is true, you will find your answer a few clicks away.
@Shadowgreed:Congruent with the reality of things? Are you saying that you actually know who else is inside that base or that the base is so small that only Dragon, Sabo and Koala + a few no names seen in the background can be the only ones to fit in?
He said there were weapons, and it turns out there were weapons, in fact. He said Sabo and Dragon were there, and Sabo and Dragon were indeed there. He said that he found the General HQ of the revolutionaries, and he indeed found it. Everything he said is congruent with the reality of things.
@Shadowgreed:Nope, Jesus pride has been annihilated, he'll do anything to take back at Sabo for putting him in that state.
The denial of the reality of what I said suggests that Blackbeard is not interested in weaponry and any sort of armament that would strengthen him. This is contrary to the reality of things because he does have a lust for power, and that is why Burgess was telling something that is most likely to make him attack the place: large stocks of weaponry.
Teach has to make a move there one way or the other because if he does not, he will loose both Burgess and the large stock of weaponry.
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Our feelings can be harmful to other people. We may like expressing our laughter in regard to other people's ideas because that's what we feel at the moment, but those other people won't like to be laughed at. Laughing at them then will be an act of insensitivity. We must be careful regarding what we say. I understand that our expressions aren't perfect, and tend to be flawed one way or another, but that post, when weighed up objectively, is likely to incite an angry response.
It isn't about 'growing up'. That's objectively not true. The truth of the matter is that most of us hate being laughed at, regardless of age and gender. It's in our nature. You go ahead and say "haha, what a joke" at the opinion of 'grown ups', you'll most likely get into either a verbal fight or a physical one.
We really don't need to be so cloyingly sensitive about each other's feelings. This place would get rather dull if we had to behave as if we had just attended a corporate sensitivity training class. Besides, if Dark Ritual was out of line then we should let the mods do their job.
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2 things.
1. BB is a yonko. Since we know he's prone to overestimating himself AND he's a yonko…why wouldn't he do it?
2. It'd be a waste of foreshadowing if the Revolutionary army and Blackbeard Pirates DON'T fight in some way...so I see it happening. And it won't just be Jesus Burgess who fights them. -
Hope this won't turn into 3rd DF BB gets is Dragon's DF.
Aldo, luffy needs to build some kind of relation with Dragon. He can't die yet.
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We really don't need to be so cloyingly sensitive about each other's feelings. This place would get rather dull if we had to behave as if we had just attended a corporate sensitivity training class. Besides, if Dark Ritual was out of line then we should let the mods do their job.
I was merely tangled up in an explanation that goes back to this post:
@DARK_RITUAL:And what do you mean be nice to people? What was wrong with my former comment?
Besides, if Dark Ritual was out of line then we should let the mods do their job..
Worry not. This discussion is over.
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@uniaka:
Maybe WG itself could play a role here. Imagine BB and Dragon forces battle eachother, then marines show up…:ninja:
About that, as you well know, the marine use these Black Den Den Mushi to intercept communications between pirates.
Imagine a scenario where they intercept the communication between Burgess and Laffitte. They will most likely make a move too.
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About that, as you well know, the marine use these Black Den Den Mushi to intercept communications between pirates.
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/2/29/Black_Den_Den_Mushi.png/revision/latest?cb=20130117053853Imagine a scenario where they intercept the communication between Burgess and Laffitte. They will most likely make a move too.
That wouldn't help them much since they don't have Burgess's Vive Card.
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That wouldn't help them much since they don't have Burgess's Vive Card.
They could follow Laffitte's ship(or whatever ship is heading there). It is kind of like how Jack was following from afar the ship that was transporting Doflamigo to Impel Down.
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They could follow Laffitte's ship(or whatever ship is heading there).
Yeah, they could, but would they risk it ?
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Yeah, they could, but would they risk it ?
I mean, BB's a Yonkou, in my opinion, leaving BB and the Revolutionaries fight each other (which means weaken each other) would be the best thing that they could do right now.I agree completely.
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Yeah, they could, but would they risk it ?
I mean, BB's a Yonkou, in my opinion, leaving BB and the Revolutionaries fight each other (which means weaken each other) would be the best thing that they could do right now.That's a great idea. It reminds me of what Smoker did back at Logue Town. He left the pirates kill each other(Buggy executing Luffy), while he remained in the shadows, waiting for the moment that follows Luffy's execution so as to round up and catch/ attack the Buggy pirates.
The marines could do the same: they could follow them to Baltigo, and wait for the opportunity when both sides are weakened(or one side emerges victorious at a great cost), & then attack.
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Oh by the way, I am using the marine as a word to refer to a force of the Government. It's up to the Government who they send. They could also send CP0. Last time, CP0 were really looking for an opportunity to catch the revolutionaries. So, I'd say, they could risk it.
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What would be even more mind blowing is dragon and teach teaming up against the world government.
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Yeah, they could, but would they risk it ?
I mean, BB's a Yonkou, in my opinion, leaving BB and the Revolutionaries fight each other (which means weaken each other) would be the best thing that they could do right now.Dragon's main aim to overthrow world goverment requires for the Gorosei to be beaten and there are 5 of them. So BB vs Dragon is very unlikely and if it does happen then Dragon will make BB run away from Baltigo. Dragon has far greater things to accomplish and burgess will either be found out and threw out of baltigo or Dragon and his commanders will fight BB.
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About that, as you well know, the marine use these Black Den Den Mushi to intercept communications between pirates.
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/2/29/Black_Den_Den_Mushi.png/revision/latest?cb=20130117053853Imagine a scenario where they intercept the communication between Burgess and Laffitte. They will most likely make a move too.
Oh I imagined that scenario the moment I saw Burgess comunicate with the outside.
Because, you know, it would make sense that Dragon has those black snails ready to intercept possible calls from marines about to attack the island or from possible spies inside their own organization. We know from CP9 that it can be done.
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Random thought : Impel Down should have a room with the vivre cards of all the prisoners.
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Random thought : Impel Down should have a room with the vivre cards of all the prisoners.
Damn, we should make a thread about security fails in OP world.
But seriously, marines and WG probably don't have access to them or can't make them. When have we seen any of the marines using them? Never.
Perhaps the person or persons who make it keep the products to the pirate side. I've been thinking for a while that all of them are made by one person with the help of a devil fruit, but it doesn't explain how Sabo could have made Luffy's card so fast. Maybe it's just the paper that is special. Perhaps made from a special tree or a plant. Or with a devil fruit…
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Dragon's main aim to overthrow world goverment requires for the Gorosei to be beaten and there are 5 of them.
Not necessarily.
As you mentioned it, Dragon wants to overthrow the World Government, right ? Now, that doesn't mean taking down the Cipher Pol, or even the Gorosei, but just causing revolutions all around the world ; the people will stand against the almighty-power of the Tenryubitos, and then, naturally, the World Government will fall.So BB vs Dragon is very unlikely and if it does happen then Dragon will make BB run away from Baltigo. Dragon has far greater things to accomplish and burgess will either be found out and threw out of baltigo or Dragon and his commanders will fight BB.
That's a possibility among others, indeed.
Though my opinion is that Dragon will fall in a way or another. Maybe against Black Beard, maybe against the World Government.
I think that the one that'll make the WG fall will be Luffy (probably when he'll discover the One Piece / reach Raftel / read the Rio Poneglyph). But again, that's just a theory. :happy: -
I'm calling it, the falling thing is Weeble/Weevil.
Look at that white thing in it's face, it looks like his moustache
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The one falling is either Bepo or the person Luffy who is going to motivate Luffy to beat the bad guy.
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Random thought : Impel Down should have a room with the vivre cards of all the prisoners.
The vivre cards do not point to the person, but to the biggest part of the vivre card. So, even if Impel Down had that room, if the prisoner lost or threw his Vivre card to somewhere, Marines or Impel Down guards would not be able of finding him, they would find his vivre card, but not the prisioner.
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Random thought : Impel Down should have a room with the vivre cards of all the prisoners.
They weren't expecting a mass breakout..
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The vivre cards do not point to the person, but to the biggest part of the vivre card. So, even if Impel Down had that room, if the prisoner lost or threw his Vivre card to somewhere, Marines or Impel Down guards would not be able of finding him, they would find his vivre card, but not the prisioner.
And the largest piece of paper points towards that person.
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And the largest piece of paper points towards that person.
Where was this stated?
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Where was this stated?
So, where does the largest piece of paper point?
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The vivre cards do not point to the person, but to the biggest part of the vivre card. So, even if Impel Down had that room, if the prisoner lost or threw his Vivre card to somewhere, Marines or Impel Down guards would not be able of finding him, they would find his vivre card, but not the prisioner.
I would like to ask you also where it's stated that Vivre cards point toward the larger piece and not the person?
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Where was this stated?
If it points to the largest piece of paper and not the person then why does it burn when the person dies? It points to the persons soul :ninja:
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It doesn't as confirmed in the post above yours. The paper displays the health of the person and that's it as far as we know. Well and the smaller pieces try to unite with the biggest one.
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Oh I imagined that scenario the moment I saw Burgess comunicate with the outside.
To be honest, it didn't cross my mind until yesterday. You should've shared that scenario; it is an interesting scenario that might happen. In any case, don't hesitate to share valuable ideas like these when you think of them because I would really love to know about them.
@Razh:Because, you know, it would make sense that Dragon has those black snails ready to intercept possible calls from marines about to attack the island
Yes, you're right. He could have those black snails ready to intersect any calls that might pose a threat to Baltigo. He might also use them to spy on marines and/ or troublesome countries that are involved in some heinous activities( like the smuggling of weaponry and so forth).
or from possible spies inside their own organization. We know from CP9 that it can be done.
You know, I have gone to check to see if the revolutionaries have those black snails(& not finding them in the manga does not negate the possibility that they may be using them to intercept calls that are useful to their revolutionary plans), and I found that the revolutionaries use a 'white snail' that emits a signal which blocks call interception.
So if they have spies in their revolutionary army, those spies could use those white snails to keep their spying activities undetected by the black snails.
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Oh I imagined that scenario the moment I saw Burgess comunicate with the outside.
Because, you know, it would make sense that Dragon has those black snails ready to intercept possible calls from marines about to attack the island or from possible spies inside their own organization. We know from CP9 that it can be done.
I forgot to ask. Would you link me to the page that talks about this? Thanks.
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To be honest, it didn't cross my mind until yesterday. You should've shared that scenario; it is an interesting scenario that might happen. In any case, don't hesitate to share valuable ideas like these when you think of them because I would really love to know about them.
Who says I didn't share it? We covered a lot of ground in first 10-20 pages.
The spies might use white snail to cover their communication but I think they are supposed to be really rare.
Regarding the CP9 thing, they had agents in long term missions posing as someone else to achieve their goal. I suppose Revos are as vulnerable to such exploits as anyone else. Maybe even more, since they seem to attract a lot of people. There's always a chance one of the recruits was sent by WG to join them and wait for an opportunity to make a difference.
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Why does the white den den mushi look so sad? :(
I accept Jesus Burgess as my Lord and Savior
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@zeff:
So, where does the largest piece of paper point?
Though I don't think it has been stated anywhere..i believe that it must point to the owner.They all point to the person in which the Vivre card was created for.
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Damn, we should make a thread about security fails in OP world.
But seriously, marines and WG probably don't have access to them or can't make them. When have we seen any of the marines using them? Never.
Perhaps the person or persons who make it keep the products to the pirate side. I've been thinking for a while that all of them are made by one person with the help of a devil fruit, but it doesn't explain how Sabo could have made Luffy's card so fast. Maybe it's just the paper that is special. Perhaps made from a special tree or a plant. Or with a devil fruit…
Well maybe they don't come through one Devil fruit or person.
Sabo saying he created one would mean that somehow anyone(?) can create one.
One thing Zoro did mention was how Sabo got the time to even make one. It must be some lengthy process apparently. Whether it was pre-made or not, we cannot say.
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Why does the white den den mushi look so sad? :(
hmm, maybe because it must do all the math to encrypt the message lol. :ninja:
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Well maybe they don't come through one Devil fruit or person.
Sabo saying he created one would mean that somehow anyone(?) can create one.
One thing Zoro did mention was how Sabo got the time to even make one. It must be some lengthy process apparently. Whether it was pre-made or not, we cannot say.
What I meant was maybe the paper itself is a product of some devil fruit ability, and the person who makes them sells them around. Most of the supernatural things like that are explained with devil fruits in OP. If not that, then some freak tree or plant from which the paper is made.
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Ok, guys. Regarding the vivre card issue, here is the page that resolves this issue:
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Lola said herself that a vivre card points to its 'partner'. In other words, it points to the biggest piece of it(as was shown in the picture). Otherwise, the papers would point to each other, & that would create a mess. It leaves me wondering, though, about what would happen if there were two perfectly symmetrical, biggest pieces of paper.
@Razh:Who says I didn't share it? We covered a lot of ground in first 10-20 pages.
Well, I thought that you just imagined it, and that's that. I checked, and I found that you certainly discussed the interception of Burgess' calls using the black snail by the revolutionaries(page 8); however, I didn't find you talking about the scenario of the marines intercepting the call.
@Razh:There's always a chance one of the recruits was sent by WG to join them and wait for an opportunity to make a difference.
Last time, when CP0 arrived after the revolutionaries successfully managed to take the 'smuggling list', CP0 were shown to be in the dark about the identity of who managed to take it(revolutionaries). They arrived at the conclusion that it must be the revolutionaries only through a roundabout reasoning. If they had spies, I don't think they would reason in a roundabout manner. They'd say something like,'darn it, we're too late again' or something along these lines. Even if the spies are not CP0, but are from some other division in the Government, I think CP0 should have access to any classified information since they are the 'strongest intelligence'. Well, this is what I think. Things could be more complicated than this.
@Medical:Why does the white den den mushi look so sad? :(
Because there is no water availability. During periods when water is unavailable, land snails retreat into their shells and remain inactive until conditions improve. Since Dragon is using it in a period of water unavailability, it looks sad.
Look how happy they become when water is available.
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Last time, when CP0 arrived after the revolutionaries successfully managed to take the 'smuggling list', CP0 were shown to be in the dark about the identity of who managed to take it(revolutionaries). They arrived at the conclusion that it must be the revolutionaries only through a roundabout reasoning. If they had spies, I don't think they would reason in a roundabout manner. They'd say something like,'darn it, we're too late again' or something along these lines. Even if the spies are not CP0, but are from some other division in the Government, I think CP0 should have access to any classified information since they are the 'strongest intelligence'. Well, this is what I think. Things could be more complicated than this.
That does't mean they couldn't have some kind of sleeper agent waiting for an opportunity (or that Revolutionaries shouldn't be careful about it). We saw marines aren't exactly strangers to spy game. And Kuma was possibly a sleeper agent for the Revos.
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Ok, guys. Regarding the vivre card issue, here is the page that resolves this issue:
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Lola said herself that a vivre card points to its 'partner'. In other words, it points to the biggest piece of it(as was shown in the picture). Otherwise, the papers would point to each other, & that would create a mess. It leaves me wondering, though, about what would happen if there were two perfectly symmetrical, biggest pieces of paper.
It seems there's a mistake in that translation. Here cnet's version:
Nami: What's that? A "Vivre Card"…?
Lola: Hm? You don't know?
Dude: Cap'n Lola, they only have Vivre Cards in the New World…
Lola: Oh, is that right? // This isn't just a piece of paper! No matter how wet or burnt it gets, it can't be destroyed! / What you do is you take a few of your own fingernails to a shop, and they use them to make you a special sheet of paper. // Also known as "the paper of life"… a "Vivre Card". // What you do, is you tear off pieces and give them to friends or family if they're going away. // Watch! This one here... / ...is a Vivre Card I recieved from my own Mama.
Someone: Ah! It moved!!
Lola: No matter where in the world the Card pieces are, they share a connection. / So I can always tell in what direction my mother is!! // Although you can't tell how far away.
Chopper: Wow… so mysterious! And they have lots of these over there...?! // In the New World!!
Lola: It's quite convenient! Here, I'll just sign this piece of my Mama's Vivre Card for you… / If you ever run into any troubles, you just follow this and ask my Mama to help you out, okay? // And tell her that I'm okay, while you're at it!It makes sense the all pieces of vivre card moves towards the owner of the vivre card. It doesn't make sense it moves towards the other parts of the vivre card. So you don't wonder about what happen with 2 or 8 or 16 symmetrical parts are spread around the world.
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It seems there's a mistake in that translation. Here cnet's version:
It makes sense the all pieces of vivre card moves towards the owner of the vivre card. It doesn't make sense it moves towards the other parts of the vivre card. So you don't wonder about what happen with 2 or 8 or 16 symmetrical parts are spread around the world.
What about what Rayleigh saying he left his vivre card with Shakki when he gets to Amazon Lily?
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Only when Rayleigh is right there.
Then why the heck would he feel the need to say that to Luffy when he just talked about how he was going to follow his vivre card to get back to Sabaody? Why would he be unable to move freely without leaving his vivre card to Shakki? That makes 0 sense.
That's why it seems to be implied that the vivre card points to biggest piece.
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Look how happy they become when water is available.
http://i.imgur.com/w12gqIA.jpgOne of them looks like Shit.
I wonder who he belongs to
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It seems there's a mistake in that translation. Here cnet's version:
It makes sense the all pieces of vivre card moves towards the owner of the vivre card. It doesn't make sense it moves towards the other parts of the vivre card. So you don't wonder about what happen with 2 or 8 or 16 symmetrical parts are spread around the world.
Sorry but chapter 600 seems to disagŕee :-)
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Ok, guys. Regarding the vivre card issue, here is the page that resolves this issue:
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Lola said herself that a vivre card points to its 'partner'. In other words, it points to the biggest piece of it(as was shown in the picture). Otherwise, the papers would point to each other, & that would create a mess. It leaves me wondering, though, about what would happen if there were two perfectly symmetrical, biggest pieces of paper.
Well, I thought that you just imagined it, and that's that. I checked, and I found that you certainly discussed the interception of Burgess' calls using the black snail by the revolutionaries(page 8); however, I didn't find you talking about the scenario of the marines intercepting the call.
Last time, when CP0 arrived after the revolutionaries successfully managed to take the 'smuggling list', CP0 were shown to be in the dark about the identity of who managed to take it(revolutionaries). They arrived at the conclusion that it must be the revolutionaries only through a roundabout reasoning. If they had spies, I don't think they would reason in a roundabout manner. They'd say something like,'darn it, we're too late again' or something along these lines. Even if the spies are not CP0, but are from some other division in the Government, I think CP0 should have access to any classified information since they are the 'strongest intelligence'. Well, this is what I think. Things could be more complicated than this.
Because there is no water availability. During periods when water is unavailable, land snails retreat into their shells and remain inactive until conditions improve. Since Dragon is using it in a period of water unavailability, it looks sad.
Look how happy they become when water is available.
[qimg]http://i.imgur.com/w12gqIA.jpg[/qimg]I wonder who that is behind Dragon with the jolly Roger on the chest also watering
