Raizou does start with a R like Robin though.
What the heck does that have to do with anything?
@BeariousJones:
Not sure about his possible lightning theme though overlapping with Nami's weather powers.
Very different fighting methods. Nami does things like a witch and Raizou does things like a ninja.(Not the Naruto Ninjutsu BS).
What the heck does that have to do with anything?
Very different fighting methods. Nami does things like a witch and Raizou does things like a ninja.(Not the Naruto Ninjutsu BS).
Outside of sir names Oda may not want have his main cast using the same starting letter in their names. In before dude comes in with Lobin and Ruffy. Of course if Oda found a ultra cool and fitting name for a character that he wants on the crew with an already used first letter he'll do what ever he wants.
Oda can just go with N of Nico and ignore Roronoa.
@Galaxy:
Gotta love Monet and Vergo being "confirmed" dead, as well as Sabo and Doflamingo before they were "revealed" to be alive.
Is Koala still a boy? She was a boy for a while based on the rushed mangapanda scan at the time.
And yes, extreme lols of that week Dofla was dead after being decapitated by Kyros without any buildup or fight.
Oda can just go with N of Nico and ignore Roronoa.
Then you would have 2 N names: Nami and Nico. Besides this "theory" is based on the first name. It only holds true until Oda breaks it.
If Raizou ends up with a unique design and personality, he'll be a possible candidate.
If Raizou were going to be a candidate, Oda would probably have teased us about the impending ninja sometime in the last 150 chapters with Kinemon… instead of right before he's due to show up.
If Raizou were going to be a candidate, Oda would probably have teased us about the impending ninja sometime in the last 150 chapters with Kinemon… instead of right before he's due to show up.
Is there any foreshadowing as to what role is needed/wanted?
How important do you think role is for the Jinbe and the next/last nakama?
Is there any foreshadowing as to what role is needed/wanted?
How important do you think role is for the Jinbe and the next/last nakama?
For survival on the ship role isn't important much at all at this point.
It's not about "ship role". But Oda would have teased a ninja further in advance if he had anything super crazy or long term in mind.
For survival on the ship role isn't important much at all at this point.
It's not about "ship role". But Oda would have teased a ninja further in advance if he had anything super crazy or long term in mind.
I understand. I don't think this ninja will be the next crewmate. I just got it in my head that whoever is on board will have some "role" on the ship that is attached to their dream like everyone else.
If any role was to be added it would be Lookout. Both Zoro and Robin showed they are not good at it. Granted maybe someone else could in the crew(Usopp?).
@Monkey:
Samurai is a noble title, it doesn't mean "COOL GUY WITH SWORD".
Oh ok thank you Zephos
Is there any foreshadowing as to what role is needed/wanted?
How important do you think role is for the Jinbe and the next/last nakama?
Yeah Robby, listen to the people busy talking about someone who hasn't even been shown up in a single panel yet as legit speculation.
Don't even know where you get the nerve.
Where is it written that Samurai can't also be Ninja and vice-versa?
Definitely not history, as most Ninja were actually Samurai as well.
Where is it written that Samurai can't also be Ninja and vice-versa?
Definitely not history, as most Ninja were actually Samurai as well.
For example, one of the most famous ninja, Hanzo Hattori, was indeed both.
@Monkey:
Yeah Robby, listen to the people busy talking about someone who hasn't even been shown up in a single panel yet as legit speculation.
Don't even know where you get the nerve.
Hey Monkey King! Long time since I chatted with you on here.
You know my questions were directed to Robby…not you right? I mean I know you do but I'm trying to understand why you feel you had to respond...especially so negatively. Plus I was asking about roles...in particular Jinbe's role for the past few pages. That was my focus. Raizou, like you stated, has had no panel time yet. I only replied and brought it up briefly because others did. Robby's response stayed more on the ninja which was NOT my intention but I understand since that is what I responded to first.
If Oda is half as diligent about his research regarding his own culture as he is towards other cultures, then he probably knows that historically, a "ninja" was just a soldier operating in stealth. Like a black ops soldier, they are still soldiers, they just happen to do some dirty stuff on the side due to necessity. Raizou could be a samurai, who is also a ninja. The two are not exclusive to one another.
Oda is diligent but my guess is Wano is not going to have much to do with Japanese history as much as Oda's love for films.
Both Kanjuro Arashi and Ichikawa Raizo are the names of actors known for performing in samurai films so I believe we'll be seeing his homage to these, which gives him a lot of freedom to do whatever he wants rather than be shackled to any historical accuracy.
Oda is diligent but my guess is Wano is not going to have much to do with Japanese history as much as Oda's love for films.
Both Kanjuro Arashi and Ichikawa Raizo are the names of actors known for performing in samurai films so I believe we'll be seeing his homage to these, which gives him a lot of freedom to do whatever he wants rather than be shackled to any historical accuracy.
Is there any Japanese actor with Kin'emon's name? I briefly tried to Google it but was getting One Piece instead of samurai films.
Is there any Japanese actor with Kin'emon's name? I briefly tried to Google it but was getting One Piece instead of samurai films.
Kin'emon and Momonosuke's names are both derived from Nakamura Kinnosuke.
From the Volume 69 SBS:
D: Odacchi–! I'm afraid I've just realized something. The names of "Foxfire Kinemon" and his son "Momonosuke"—you took them from the superstar of the Showa Era, Mr. Nakamura Kinnosuke, didn't you... Probably!! How's that!! P.N. Sacred Tree-kun
O: Yess! You are correct. He was famous for his roles in period dramas, and I'm an huge fan. 'Cause, like, I'd be alot more pumped about drawing them if they were kind of references to him, y'know what I'm saying!? This is for the future and I can't hold it in so I'll just say it here, but Luffy and the crew will eventually go to the Wano Kingdom. Oh my gooosh, ever since back in the day, I just can't wait to draw that moment~~. All of my interests may end up being exposed when that happens. Heeheehee.
Appreciate it Galaxy "His power level, it's over" 9000. All I found was some story with Okano-Kinemon-Kanehide.
This is why Stephen's translations have always been given the utmost respect. Bat, I never new that and it fits so much better!
It's like any fans reaction to Little People and Dwarves right? I know everyone says Dwarves but it isn't the term being used not that?
What Stephen puts down, I whole heartedly trust. The Wiki is the devil by and large, it's to easy for random contributors to add their interpretations to events, abilities or anything really.
Oh don't get me wrong, The wiki is shitty as hell at naming names on their own. What I mean is that on it are many of the official names given in the databooks and in the series (such as Belly, which was romanized on the banknotes themselves).
Naming on their own the wiki makes many fails. And I still don't find the wiki reliable AT ALL. 5% of their pages have wrong information COMPLETELY MADE UP.
My only issue is that Viz has gotten many names wrong in the past. Zolo, Merry Go, Portaz, Don Quixote, Juraquille, Shiryu, Big Bun, Kobi, Navy to name a few.
But to be fair, Stephen has got BARELY any names wrong recently. He's undoubtadly the best translator Viz had so far. He still makes some mistakes but I say he's been doing a great job at it :happy:
It's just my issues with Viz in general. I know many fans probably don't care this but if the text is altered even in the slightest from the japanese version it really bothers me :P
For example I went nuts because on the Funimation translation in a sentence they didn't include the "ore" (I) and for me it changed a lot about it's meaning even if barely anybody ever payed thought to it 
I somebody who doesn't like harsh localization, that's all :)
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Not sure about Teach, that could just be something overlooked or considered unimportant. But Trafalgar Law starts with "tora" or tiger, which Oda made a little clearer when Luffy started calling him "Torao" (which I adapted to Traffy because there's no "o" in Trafalgar and it's meant to be something Luffy could remember). Buggy could be "bug" I suppose? Or maybe that falls under the same Blackbeard category. But unlike those characters who were introduced previously and then later fit into that mold, and therefore might not have an easy animal naming angle, this is a brand new character so it can easily fit into the pattern.
Yeah the "Traffy" was the natural translation, good job on that one :)
Actually Law's animal might (although a bit farfetched) be the a spotted seal since the pattern on his hat resembles the skin of one.
I doubt Buggy comes from Bug since his original name was "Boogie" and after seeing Nightmare Before Chirstmas Oda said "Oh it's taken. Whatever, I'll change it to Buggy then (total thinking time = 0.2 seconds)" 
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yeah,it probably has both
but his post was made to justify why it is localized as gekkou moria and not gecko moria..since earlier he said that weeble should be weevil since it's his animal reference (more than the weeble toys that don't think they had in japan..i'm in italy and i have never heard of them)
It could have easily been Gecko Moriah though (Gecko and Koumori would work perfectly alongside). Shadow's asgard also features Moriah acting like a gecko (standing on 4 feet, neck expanding like a gecko), that's why I was a bit skeptical.
I don't think it matters much if the toys were in Japan or not because Oda has taken many, maaany things from the West, even several brands and products
I think that we are through with "roles", they were set up early: Navigator, Cook, Doctor, Shipwright and Musician, from now on it's combatant.
yeah,but we don't even know if those toys ever came to japan
also,i googled them and they are just kinda egg shaped..they don't really resemble weevil that much..not more than other kinda obese people we saw in onepiece..if anything from behind weevil resembles a gengarwell,kanjurou initially was a monk if we have to go by his initial silhouette..so he probably changed idea multiple times about how different those guys were.
also one guy in the chapter thread said that there have been some cases of samurais that doubled as ninjas too
Here's a head to head example :)
http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah232/ArturNewWorld/Weeble_comparison_zpsfrpmlgym.png
Weeble/Weevil l himself looks like an egg with arms and legs
Oh don't get me wrong, The wiki is shitty as hell at naming names on their own. What I mean is that on it are many of the official names given in the databooks and in the series (such as Belly, which was romanized on the banknotes themselves).
Even the databooks are LOADED with errors. Especially things like birthdays and bloodtypes and romanizations, sometimes even contradicting what was earlier in the book. Famously they pronounced Sabo officially dead and that Dragon had picked up… someone else.
THe databooks are by interns, not Oda. They're factually wrong in a lot of ways. And even Oda is totally fallible when not working in his own language.
Like the wiki, good as a quick reference, but not reliable as the only source.
Even the databooks are LOADED with errors. Especially things like birthdays and bloodtypes and romanizations, sometimes even contradicting what was earlier in the book. Famously they pronounced Sabo officially dead and that Dragon had picked up… someone else.
THe databooks are by interns, not Oda. They're factually wrong in a lot of ways. And even Oda is totally fallible when not working in his own language.
Like the wiki, good as a quick reference, but not reliable as the only source.
Well Sabo they had to say he was dead, they couldn't have said he was alive. But except that you're right, they do have many errors. Oda says he gives many of the spellings and usually "checks" them, but given his schedule I really doubt he has much time to do it thoroughly
Still, I find them much more reliable than any name translated by anybody outside of Shueisha and unless proved wrongly by the main canon manga they are the ones that are used
Who knows? Maybe even Gekko Moriah could have been an error for all we know ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Here's a head to head example :)
http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah232/ArturNewWorld/Weeble_comparison_zpsfrpmlgym.png
Weeble/Weevil l himself looks like an egg with arms and legs
That picture actually made me decide on Weevil^^
I think that we are through with "roles", they were set up early: Navigator, Cook, Doctor, Shipwright and Musician, from now on it's combatant.
Why would "roles" be important before the timeskip but not after? Do you not believe the role on the ship for each crewmates connects to their individual dream? "Combatant" brings nothing to the table beyond fighting. Everyone can fight. And there are still roles that have been mentioned in the series that have not been filled(Helmsman and Lookout). I think if the next crewmates didn't have a defined unique role then they would be viewed as "less important" as not to be considered equals to the others.
Why would "roles" be important before the timeskip but not after? Do you not believe the role on the ship for each crewmates connects to their individual dream? "Combatant" brings nothing to the table beyond fighting. Everyone can fight. And there are still roles that have been mentioned in the series that have not been filled(Helmsman and Lookout). I think if the next crewmates didn't have a defined unique role then they would be viewed as "less important" as not to be considered equals to the others.
Zoro, Usopp and Robin were never needed for their role. They joined because Luffy wanted to. Their roles were made up, basically. Since when does a pirate ship have na archaeologist/historian? Usopp kinda has a more traditional role, but that wasn't the reason he joined. They looked for a navigator, cook, doctor, carpinter and musician. Not for a vice-captain/first mate/swordsman/sleeping guy, or a shooter/sniper/liar, or an archaeologist/historian. The same could (and probably will) happen to Jinbe. He will have something akin to a role, like diplomat or lifeguard or whatever, but that will be something secondary.
Zoro, Usopp and Robin were never needed for their role. They joined because Luffy wanted to. Their roles were made up, basically. Since when does a pirate ship have na archaeologist/historian? Usopp kinda has a more traditional role, but that wasn't the reason he joined. They looked for a navigator, cook, doctor, carpinter and musician. Not for a vice-captain/first mate/swordsman/sleeping guy, or a shooter/sniper/liar, or an archaeologist/historian. The same could (and probably will) happen to Jinbe. He will have something akin to a role, like diplomat or lifeguard or whatever, but that will be something secondary.
Well Luffy wanted strength when he engaged Zoro and Robin was the one to ask joining(Luffy just said yes). Usopp is the one that got engage without knowing of his skills.
Why would "roles" be important before the timeskip but not after? Do you not believe the role on the ship for each crewmates connects to their individual dream? "Combatant" brings nothing to the table beyond fighting. Everyone can fight. And there are still roles that have been mentioned in the series that have not been filled(Helmsman and Lookout). I think if the next crewmates didn't have a defined unique role then they would be viewed as "less important" as not to be considered equals to the others.
When you open up most any volume to the character introductions Zoro is basically just labeled fighter, like Pekoms. It really doesn't bring anything to the table beyond fighting but Zoro is also a lot more than that to the crew. Because Jinbe is so adept in the water I have to assume he'll get a role that deals with it in some way but at the some time if he is just labeled fish man karate expert underneath Brook's legit musician title I doubt it would make much difference story wise.
Usopp's role is a sniper, doesn't really have anything at all to do with his dream beyond it aiding him to achieve the dream. It isn't nearly as intertwined with his goals like almost everyone else.
Now let's say we do get a look out. Not only has that job been passed from Straw Hat to Straw Hat, it's never been something that was expressed as a necessity lacking in the crew. For arguments sake I will add that yes a lookout is important because the crew does take turns doing it. Though how many creative ways can there be to use that job and tie it into a character defining dream? I guess this character could want to see the entire world or sown such.
The remaining members of the crew will get job titles for sure but if Jinbe does become the life guard or helmsman I don't see that playing into his dream at all.
Roles are an individual unique characteristic for each member. NOBODY has the same role. Each role, whether needed/wanted or not, has been connected to their dream. The debatable ones are Zoro and Usopp.
Zoro's official role is in question. Is he vice captain, first mate, or just a swordsman/fighter? I take him for what is given and seen. He is the literal First Mate to join who happens to be a very unique swordsman. Nobody else uses a sword besides Brook and their styles are VERY different. Zoro DEFINES himself as a swordsman while Brook is DEFINED as a musician foremost. So I figure Zoro is the unofficial First Mate Swordsman. Other people in the series recognize that Zoro as Captain level strength which gives his unofficial First Mate more credence. So First Mate Swordsman dream is Best Swordsman in the world. Doesn't seem like a stretch to connect.
Usopp's role connecting to his dream is being questioned. So I ask, what will it take for Usopp to be considered "A Brave Warrior of the Sea"? Is it something he has to see internally or externally? I believe both but he has to believe he can. This is where Sogeking comes in. Usopp's best skill is his sniping. His alter ego is fearless in his mind. His alter ego also is the Sniper King. So I surmise that Usopp will become the true Sniper King (best sniper in the world) who is a brave warrior of the sea. That connects his role with his dream.
These are my thoughts. Not the most eloquent but it is all in fun and learning. I could be completely wrong but roles to me play in the dream so I don't see any blanket terms like "combatant" being used to cover anyone new. And it will be a wait and see for Jinbe's role and dream to connect like the other non debatable ones.
Roles are an individual unique characteristic for each member. NOBODY has the same role. Each role, whether needed/wanted or not, has been connected to their dream. The debatable ones are Zoro and Usopp.
Brook being a musician and his dream of fulfilling a promise to meet Laboon again don't really have anything in common.
So we all agree that it is confirmed that ninja is the next nakama?
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Ch 304 pg 9 Might be an example of what kind of personality a potential Lookout might have. Someone who shares a similar kind of excitement for adventure as Luffy and would get the crew hyped. Don't know if a character like that exists, not many characters in the crew who are good at being a lookout and have that much enthusiasm. Maybe it wouldn't be necessary to get a lookout after Jinbe joins since he pays attention to his surroundings.
Brook being a musician and his dream of fulfilling a promise to meet Laboon again don't really have anything in common.
Isn't Brook going to bring a Tone Dial of the Rumbar Pirates' last song together to Laboon? That seems to be the connection between dream and role.
Oda is diligent but my guess is Wano is not going to have much to do with Japanese history as much as Oda's love for films.
Both Kanjuro Arashi and Ichikawa Raizo are the names of actors known for performing in samurai films so I believe we'll be seeing his homage to these, which gives him a lot of freedom to do whatever he wants rather than be shackled to any historical accuracy.
Also, Oda recently discovered Kabuki and thinks it's a beautiful art. One Piece is even getting a kabuki theater performance in Japan, so maybe we will see some of that too? Maybe Kumadori will be back?
So we all agree that it is confirmed that ninja is the next nakama?
No, I disagree. There has been no evidence that the next crewmember will be a ninja. O.o
Only if he's a minkman and a ninja, then Luffy couldn't resist
which could happen, it would make sense looking for shelter for momo on a place he used to live that hates humans, only because he's a member of the race who left long ago, they'd need a member of the minkmen race if they were to seek shelter on an island full of people who hate humans
plus if he's from zou he would have a different nationality other than japan which zoro has
(but he's probs just human)
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Ch 304 pg 9 Might be an example of what kind of personality a potential Lookout might have. Someone who shares a similar kind of excitement for adventure as Luffy and would get the crew hyped. Don't know if a character like that exists, not many characters in the crew who are good at being a lookout and have that much enthusiasm. Maybe it wouldn't be necessary to get a lookout after Jinbe joins since he pays attention to his surroundings.
I forgot about this scene! One of my favorite down time scenes in the whole story. If a look out ever joined the ship, I'll probably look at this scene much differently in the future.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯ 
Only if he's a minkman and a ninja, then Luffy couldn't resist
which could happen, it would make sense looking for shelter for momo on a place he used to live that hates humans, only because he's a member of the race who left long ago, they'd need a member of the minkmen race if they were to seek shelter on an island full of people who hate humans
plus if he's from zou he would have a different nationality other than japan which zoro has
(but he's probs just human)
Maybe. We just have to see what happens. Would be cool if it was a minkmen ninja though. So, basically, he would be one tiny ninja xD
Isn't Brook going to bring a Tone Dial of the Rumbar Pirates' last song together to Laboon? That seems to be the connection between dream and role.
Yes, but it's not his dream. It's his dream to fulfill the promise of meeting again, not the dream to play a song to him. If his tone dial broke, his dream would still be alive and well.
Maybe Oda will make Raizou something like this
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Maybe Oda will make Raizou something like this
Oh my god I would be so happy!!!!!!! A ninja with some sort of turtle fruit like Pekoms? Or maybe reptiles are in the mink clan?
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
This ninja hasn't even appeared in the manga yet. :ninja:
Maybe he already is a nakama, but they just don't know it yet :O
Yes, but it's not his dream. It's his dream to fulfill the promise of meeting again, not the dream to play a song to him. If his tone dial broke, his dream would still be alive and well.
You're downplaying how important that tone dial is to Brook. That dial helped him live through his isolation on sea.
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/489/3
And then the next page Brook states the song is not for him solely anymore but also for Laboon.
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/489/4
So his dream of meeting Laboon again INCLUDES bringing Laboon the song as well.
You're downplaying how important that tone dial is to Brook. That dial helped him live through his isolation on sea.
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/489/3And then the next page Brook states the song is not for him solely anymore but also for Laboon.
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/489/4So his dream of meeting Laboon again INCLUDES bringing Laboon the song as well.
I think you're overplaying the importance of it being a musical piece. If he would be a poet he would record his poetry and it would still be pretty much the same dream for example. Similarly with Usopp's role and dream connection, he could just as well be a brave sword wielding warrior of the sea. You could arguably connect them, but their dreams aren't dependent on their roles at all.
Let's just agree to disagree though since we won't convince eachother anyway 
Oh my god I would be so happy!!!!!!! A ninja with some sort of turtle fruit like Pekoms? Or maybe reptiles are in the mink clan?
Damn I forgot Pekoms has a turtle DF or something… =(
The Ninja would be a great scout/cabin boy though, ofc rigth now its baseless speculation with only the awesome eyes being any indication of Luffy having interest in him but seems he would be perfect for the job and we don't have one person with that job in the crew.
