It's still good old guild vs guild anyway, just dressed up in fancy clothes.
Fairy Tail Discussion III
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Mavis will reveal the secret for everyone to stay at the same age forever, so truly nothing will ever change from now on, just how Mashima wants.
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so its out: http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/449
! so mavis will eventually learn the meaning of life and has to go crystal or would kill everything around her. Fairy Heart actually Fairy Nuke confirmed
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! So I guess Mavis will kill Yuri by mistake and then traps herself in the crystal to avoid more deaths.
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Man, this really should've been covered in that spin-off.
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I'm the only one who's tired of Makarov still being the Fairy Tail master? At this point even Charlotte and Happy are stronger than he is.
! Mavis and Zeref have the same curse, seems that is because doing bad practices with Law magic. Mavis locked herself to avoid killing more people.
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! so Zerefs master plan to get Mavis out of the crystal so they can be together? And in order to stop himself he created Natsu to kill him.
That sounds like a real earth threatening master villain :getlost: -
I think I know why I still read this series. Individual chapters/arcs can be quite good and enjoyable at times. The problem comes to the fact that once you have everything put together as a whole it just falls about very quickly for me. This chapter was actually enjoyable. Sure it could've been covered in Zero, but Mashima decided this part needed to be covered in the main story, since essential stuff for Fairy Tail should be covered in the actual series. The problem then pops up after I think about certain things in greater context of the story.
First of all, was there really a need to discuss the Trade Wars? I know we were supposed to learn about how Mavis was a great tactician, but even then it didn't really give an insight about her that much. Unlike Kingdom where tactics are essential to the wars presented, battle manga's having tacticians don't do much. Another problem is when at the end they say there were 5 times as many deaths than the first, it doesn't mean a whole lot. We know nothing about the trade war, the reasoning behind them going to war since we don't have any knowledge of the trade stuff, and the actual numbers. What if before it was only 1000 but this time 5000, or it could be much higher. How much is it in context of world population? It really doesn't do anything. I'll admit this is nitpicking, as the chapter isn't about that more than it's about Mavis.
Zeref is either a ball of contradictions, or he went a full 180 at some point. At his point it's probably a 180, but the characterization is so wonky that I can't care at the moment. He tells Mavis that she doesn't understand how precious life is. Problem is that Mavis has friends, and at the beginning she was concerned about the people dying. Zeref seemed to have no friends, and the people who died seemed to be either pricks or just nobodies. So how is it Mavis doesn't understand, the one with friends and who was concerned about people in the war dying, but Zeref does when he didn't seem to have an attachment to anyone?
Then Zeref goes and says he is as terrible as everyone makes him out to be. I'll admit, I can see how the stories about him would be formed. A dude just walks around and anybody near him would fall to the ground, just like his home town. People would consider him a monster because of that. However, him smiling and saying this is his true colors when all he did was tell Mavis the truth about the curse and be a slight prick seems stupid. Then we get the idea that he's happy that he will have somebody that can be with him. This gives us his true motivation, that he is lonely and wants to screw everyone else over because Mavis never stuck by him. Then this is where things get confusing. He decides to want to destroy the world, but wants Natsu to kill him because he hates his life, and still finds life precious. I'm guessing he wants to make Natsu angry enough to power up and destroy him, but taking out everyone seems stupid. If he just goes to the guild and kills a few people that would work Natsu up enough.
I liked this chapter because of it being about Mavis. She is a fun character and it does suck what happened to her. Unfortunately, this all will end with Natsu, who I don't care for, and it's up to the final villain to make things interesting. While certain elements are there to make it interesting, such as being immortal but wanting to die, everything together just makes him unlikable at the moment. I don't hate him, but I just don't care for him at the moment. I would like that to change, but I don't see that happening.
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I just can't help but cringe with the way Mashima built Mavis up as a tactician in this chapter; by making the higher-ups on the good guys' side incompetent just as they look. He didn't even bother with the details of the most important thing and just fast forward to the end result, which basically says that 'Fairy Tail is the strongest guild despite the small numbers', like we hadn't known about that already.
I still don't get what Ankhseram is supposed to be. What kind of entity placed the curse on them? What are the chances that it's not more than something born from their own subconscious as the result of their own self-blame?
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@The:
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Just relate the trade wards to some real life conflicts over stuff like that and you will get the picture I guess. Fiore is a monarchy, so stuff like that is bound to happen, even though it doesn´t seem to have any Feudal lords by this point of the plot.
And yes, Zeref seems to contradict himself with every decision he makes.
Maybe Louis can explain to us how he makes perfect sense and how we are totally wrong because of some detail in one panel of chapter X.–- Update From New Post Merge ---
I'm the only one who's tired of Makarov still being the Fairy Tail master? At this point even Charlotte and Happy are stronger than he is.
Yes. I´m pretty sure Mashima is making some sort of running joke about all the times he was "at death´s doors".
- In the Phantom Lord arc when he gets powerless because of air guy
- In the "Laxus is a douche" arc when he gets an heart attack or whatever.
- Twice in the Tenrou arc. One when he gets his ass kicked by Hades, the second when he decides to sacrifice himself vs Acnologia
And I´m pretty sure I´m forgetting a couple of them.
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FTZ stuff, the best thing it did was making us care for Mavis.
I guess the only reason Makarov is alive is because he is gonna meet his dad which is the man currently known as Serena,.
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Yes. I´m pretty sure Mashima is making some sort of running joke about all the times he was "at death´s doors".
Lol, that was just a distraction. The actual running joke is how often Makarov had to step down from his position as Guild Master only to be put back on charge again.
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Can't they just call Makarov the 3rd?
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FTZ stuff, the best thing it did was making us care for Mavis.
I guess the only reason Makarov is alive is because he is gonna meet his dad which is the man currently known as Serena,.
http://readms.com/r/fairy_tail_zero/013/2869/22
FTZ Ch.13 shows Yuriy died when Makarov was around 4 years old in the year X700
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I just don't react to this series anymore. I don't even get annoyed or bored anymore. I just skim through it, without experiencing any change in my mood. Sort of like you put one plate in the dishwasher and then leave to do something else. It's just something that takes time, but it doesn't bother you, nor excite you. I'm so damn confused.
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Lol, that was just a distraction. The actual running joke is how often Makarov had to step down from his position as Guild Master only to be put back on charge again.
Funny thing is, he will resign again after Natsu healed Mavis and Zeref from the curse and Mavis will take over.
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@DIO:
http://readms.com/r/fairy_tail_zero/013/2869/22
FTZ Ch.13 shows Yuriy died when Makarov was around 4 years old in the year X700
Shows Yuriy died?
There's just a sentence saying he died which accounts for nothing in a shonen manga.
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Necromancy is probably involved.
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I'm not sure if I missed something when reading this chapter. I don't get why she was upset at Zeref really. Immortal characters can be so whiny…ugh.
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I'm not sure if I missed something when reading this chapter. I don't get why she was upset at Zeref really. Immortal characters can be so whiny…ugh.
Zeref basically was being a jerkass and told Mavis outright that she might have accidentally "killed" people around her during the war with her newly awakened curse. Oh, and that her precious friends are going to be the next victims.
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Zeref basically was being a jerkass and told Mavis outright that she might have accidentally "killed" people around her during the war with her newly awakened curse. Oh, and that her precious friends are going to be the next victims.
That's not quite how I understood it. I believe it was more him saying she doesn't care about life at the moment and when the time comes that she does, people around her will die.
@The:
First of all, was there really a need to discuss the Trade Wars?
I think the Trade Wars was important for two reasons. One it explains what happens when mages and guilds are apart of full blown wars and the current era mages have never been apart of a true military campaign. Given that the final arc is setting up a huge ass war between mages, this is an important detail. The second is that Mavis was involve in an incident cause a lot of deaths. Zeref implied that her involvement with the Trade War is the reason she doesn't care about life.
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@Vadth:
That's not quite how I understood it. I believe it was more him saying she doesn't care about life at the moment and when the time comes that she does, people around her will die.
She actually lamented about many lives that were lost during the second war, which means she at least cared about the lives of people unrelated to her. The fact her friends are okay so far may be related to "choose the lives you're going to take" Zeref talked about. I think Mashima, as unsubtle as he is, tried to bottomline that the 2nd war was where Mavis might have awakened her curse by stating the casualties were far higher than the 1st war. Another possible tweest is that, Zeref was the one who did it, not Mavis.
But really, I doubt Mavis would really kill anyone from her guild with it. At worst, she'd scare the hell of the non-core members, forcing them to quit permanently, before encasing herself in crystal.
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http://www.mangainn.me/manga/chapter/140400_fairy-tail-chapter-450
! I can dig this. Nothing deep or profound, but I like it enough in a cheesy and cliché way. It makes sense of Zeref being a contradiction and it was terrible to see what happened to Mavis when she accidently killed Yuri's wife. Overall a nice little chapter that got to me.
! That said, shouldn't the spell be called ironic? It would be contradictory if the more she tried to protect life the more people that died, but the more you love life the more people that die is ironic. I guess both can work, but contradictory was needed for the purposes of the story. And while I find this part overall good, I'm still not confident in what will happen after this flashback stuff ends. -
Maybe the reason Zeref wants Fairy Heart is so he can stare at Mavis' body and brood for eternity.
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Not a bad chapter. I'm glad it was a fairly short explanation. I can't find any real fault with what we were told. It's a pretty common trope and I feel it was used in a way that made some sense.
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Yeah, not a bad chapter per se. However, somehow I think it lacks impact. The problem is I just don't care for that woman. Hopefully, we will get some Mavis/Yuriy interactions next chapter (leading to his death?).
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@Bartholemew:
Yeah, not a bad chapter per se. However, somehow I think it lacks impact. The problem is I just don't care for that woman. Hopefully, we will get some Mavis/Yuriy interactions next chapter (leading to his death?).
Read FT Zero (again) and u will care.
Zeref again shows why he is one of the best villains in Shounen.
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Zeref again shows why he is one of the best villains in Shounen.
Can you emphasize that?
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The guy is a walking tragedy in motion, he resembles a bit of Voldemort with the obssession of the dark magic, but then he gets cursed by learning a forbidden magic, he has to isolate himself for 400 years/wants to die, he learns love by meeting Mavis and that love is what killed her beloved one.
He is more interesting than Doflamingo, Ywach, Madara…
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I can definitely say he is more interesting than two of those that were listed.
With this chapter I can definitely say I like him a lot more as a character than before. His contradictory nature was confusing, but it has been explained and it works well overall. I can't really be sure of him overall as a villain until the series is over, because we need to see how he plays out for the rest of the series. My only hope is that Mashima does justice with his threat level. Early series did overall well with the villains, but it's been lacking quite a bit recently.
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The most of the recurring characters are decently written including Zeref. I actually like most of the characters, that is the non-one-shot ones.
It's just the storytelling falls flat. I'm just not attached to the grand scheme of things. This curse, for example, is a tragic thing, sure. But until now we didn't see any established characters see suffering from it, no one suffered from losing beloved ones - until now, chapter 450. Sure, you could say due to the curse, the demons were created which made for example Gray suffer. But the point is, the death curse as reasoning basically is somewhat interchangable. Until now we didn't see a single person - other than main characters - whose been affected by the curse itself or whose actions didn't make sense beforehand, but do so now that we learned about the curse. There is a common thread, but it's way too loosely connected to all the previous events. It's just the death curse had so much completely unused potential.
Some of these suffering from losing someone could have been guild masters or council members, making a lot of different characters intertwining. However, most of these characters and organizations live in their own bubbles. At the beginning it wasn't that way, back then when we had Ultear and Siegrain. The whole setting looked interesting back then promising good character interactions between various different groups. However, then we got none of these interactions. Instead we only got FT vs. Dark Alliance Guild 1, FT vs. DAG 2, FT vs. DAG 3… and now FT vs. generic empire which didn't interact with anything beforehand.
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good chapter..i really liked the art this chapter,which is probably a first since i started reading the manga in the tartaros arc.(though i lgenerally like the anime's art.)i don't know about mavis/zeref.true,they are both similar,they both have been alone for long periods of time etc,still their chemistry doesn't seem organic to me.also,i think it's not certain that yuri's wife died cause of mavis,it may have been simply due to exertion.i mean,she was sweating the entire time.i think it may just be that what zeref said caused mavis to believe she caused it,and when she experienced the loss of someone close to her,the effects of the curse began to appear
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By Fairy Tail standards this was pretty good, sure it's a shame none of this was properly built up (did we ever gets any hints of Zeref being a king beforehand?) but it's a step in the right direction, these last two chapters have been better than the previous 50 for me.
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I like how the curse just happens in the most subtle manner, without any knowledge of it actually having been incurred to the person him/herself…
So Fairy Law is a magic than can cause this curse to happen? But we've seen others use Fairy Law haven't we? I'm too lazy to check, but w/e.
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Nice to see what really happened back then. I wonder if Natsu has to sacrifice something/someone to rescue those two, but I doubt it.
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I like how the curse just happens in the most subtle manner, without any knowledge of it actually having been incurred to the person him/herself…
So Fairy Law is a magic than can cause this curse to happen? But we've seen others use Fairy Law haven't we? I'm too lazy to check, but w/e.
Mavis used an incomplete version of the Fairy Law.
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I like how the curse just happens in the most subtle manner, without any knowledge of it actually having been incurred to the person him/herself…
So Fairy Law is a magic than can cause this curse to happen? But we've seen others use Fairy Law haven't we? I'm too lazy to check, but w/e.
I think creating fairy Law is the problem, rather than using it.
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I liked the chapter. I think it made a good job at conveying how much Zeref wanted Mavis and how tragic the curse is since he even managed to kill the immortal woman hehas been waiting.
Still a little freaky because of Mavis appeareance.
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I don't think it was Zeref that killed her.
This curse is about contradictions, right? Well, they both weren't dying because they wanted to die. Once they hooked up, they started wanting to live and Mavis started wanting to live faster so the curse killed herself before the same could happen to Zeref.
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I don't think it was Zeref that killed her.
This curse is about contradictions, right? Well, they both weren't dying because they wanted to die. Once they hooked up, they started wanting to live and Mavis started wanting to live faster so the curse killed herself before the same could happen to Zeref.
When Zeref was cursed he didn't want to die. The curse is suppose to be the more you care, the more those around you die. So Zeref is the one who killed her by being totally in love with her(a love strong enough to kill even an immortal).
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So, some more info on FH. Seems couple of us guessed right and FH was a full counter for Face.
The story of the past ended too fast and not much was shown, leaving me to still doubt Yury is dead.
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well,it was good,then the flashback ended.
it looks like we are heading for the end.hopefully,we can have a not too crappy ending in 1-2 years.
i'd rather not they rush it in 4-5 months,and it's obviously bad if they prolong it too much.
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Don't worry folks. In this kind of situation
JosephNatsu has one strategy left.
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Don't worry folks. In this kind of situation
JosephNatsu has one strategy left.
That is….I know it, I know it!!!
Is it using and combining everything you have learned on your outer as well as on your inner journey and therefore showing all your charcter development and growing in an impressive way?
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So, exposition is done? Motivations on both sides are clear. Lets get started!
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So zeref couldn't defeat acnologia this whole time?
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I guess Zeref Za-Warudo doesnt work on Acnologia, thats he needs an army to take down Acnologia.
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Yeah guys, what have you been reading? Our good guys just THINK Zeref wants to defeat Acnologia with FH.
We KNOW better, since we saw Zeref talk to Acnologia in his human form and we saw that Zeref's real goal is to end his cursed existence. Of course, none of the good guys can imagine that the legendary evil mage wants nothing more than to rest in peace.
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Yeah guys, what have you been reading? Our good guys just THINK Zeref wants to defeat Acnologia with FH.
We KNOW better, since we saw Zeref talk to Acnologia in his human form and we saw that Zeref's real goal is to end his cursed existence. Of course, none of the good guys can imagine that the legendary evil mage wants nothing more than to rest in peace.
yeah,the moment mavis said acnologia i knew something was off.zeref's motivations can be easily misunderstood,but still the way they did that is really
choppy,establishing anything mavis said as the absolute truth.
still,most likely what you said is correct but why would he specifically want her body?because he loves her?because he wants her(in a totally creepy and inappropriate way)?
and speaking of misleading things,yuri's death also seems suspicious.why didn't they tell us how he died?he was quite young.it is possible he just went on a really difficult quest and lost his life,but that really seems unlikely. -
"we´re still in the middle of rennovations, but in the basement of the Guild, there should be a Lacrima designed for use in resurrection"
-direct quotedat plot convenience
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Man, Natsu really does know how to ruin a well built scene.