I agree, this news is too good to be true.
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Are you that inane that you would believe news from a hilariously bad facebook fan page?
heeeelllll nooo!! cuz many people believe that
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Moreover the same thing has been said for the Punk Hazard Arc.
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I think most people here would love it if Toei cancelled One Piece, because we love One Piece.
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1. The news is fake. What I can say is that new planning of One Piece anime has begun. But I cannot say more.
2. If you guys dislike or hate One Piece anime, why not just drop the anime instead of watching, nitpicking and hating it EVERY SINGLE WEEK? Well, There are several people in Japan keeping watching, nitpicking and hating One Piece anime since 1999.
3. If one hates something, no matter how many progresses it has made, he/shw won't notice these progresses. Talking about preconception.
4. There are over 8 million audiences in Japan who are watching One Piece anime and loving it. These people would feel happy if One Piece anime got cancelled? Nice joke, my friends!
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1. The news is fake. What I can say is that new planning of One Piece anime has begun. But I cannot say more.
Is that good or bad news?
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The only good thing about the supposed cancellation news is the part that says "Oda has to write more chapters" :ninja:
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I've honestly never got the hate for the Anime in the first place. It's gotten so much better as of late. With the exception of one arc, it hasn't really tanked that hard.
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Is that good or bad news?
Who knows.
It depends on what audiences will think of it.
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Yeah, it's unlikely that the elements around the pacing will change that much. In the vein of Magician's scenario, I could only see them shortening the main episode content with lengthier pre-episode recaps to compensate. Though such a change would have to be more gradual or else the viewers would become wise that they're being short-changed.
Could also be that Toei's contract with Fuji has an obligation to fulfill an minimum amount of actual content vs recap or "cheater" clips, but I'm pretty sure I'm reaching on that one.
Speaking of the word "pacing", please allow me to copy some words that I wrote before in another thread:
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Indeed the pacing of One Piece is keeping improving since PH arc, and I'd say the pacing of Dressrosa arc is overall decent.
Of course, some episodes in this arc DID have a bad pacing, and they are mainly because of the poor storyboard. As what I said in this thread earlier, storyboard is very important, and it's a good idea for those who are interested in anime production to pay more attention to storyboard itself.
There are a lot of decent pacing (even great pacing) episodes in this arc got heavily underrated in this forum. #674 and #693 are two typical examples. These two episodes both had a great timing control, camera movement/switching design, music choice, and technique of expression, making these two episodes having a great pacing. Many people in AP said they had a bad pacing, but it may just because many people here didn't like the stories presented by these two episodes, such as those Tontattas. Just like what I said before, if one don't like some characters but they play an important role in one episode, he might feel disappointed, but it doesn't mean that this episode's pacing is bad, however.
Yes, Dressrosa has a situation (both in manga and anime), that not all the characters are loved by all the people. Maybe A loves Rebecca but hates those Tontattas and fighters, and B love those Tontattas and fighters but hates Rebecca, and C loves all of them, etc. But they are both main characters in this arc, and the anime has to treat these characters equally. And at least in Japan, there are millions of people who love all of these characters.
In addition, some people think that fewer pages means worse pacing, and some people think that slower camera movement/switching means worse pacing. I feel sorry to say this, but these are two typical misconceptions about pacing. For example, #675 had only 13 pages covered, and it's camera movement/switching speed was very fast, but indeed this episode's pacing was too fast to express the the roots of Kyros's story. Have a comparison between this episode with the introduction of Kyros in #634, one may find that the depth was totally different. #676 had the same problem.
BTW, #662 was just a totally opposite example. This episode was covered by a full chapter, but the pacing was just awful, incredibly awful. It could have been a great episode, but the poor storyboard, poor episode direction, and the poor music choice just ruined this episode. The one who directed this episode (I feel sad to mention his name) should leave One Piece anime, ASAP.
Just like what I said before, a good paced episode needs a good timing control, good camera movement/switching design, good music choice, and good technique of expression. And this arc do have lots of less-than-1-chapter-covered epiodes in this arc has these advantages.
The former producer of One Piece, Shibata, had lost many great chances to give the anime staff enough free space to make a filler arc. What's worse, for the time being Oda often takes break because of his healthy problem. These are the main reasons why the anime staff cannot use more manga pages now. (A single episode took the anime staff at least 4 months to produce (from the script writing stage), and the planning/early-directing discussion also need a lot of time, but the anime is only 30 chapters behind the manga.)
However, Dressrosa has a huge structure, and Oda didn't give too many detail descriptions and characterizations in many cases, which make the anime staff have a lot of space to make things better, plus there being many great epsiode directors who are good at storyboard, pacing control, and episode direction. And these are the reasons why Dressrosa Arc could keep an overall decent pacing.
Decent is not enough, though. I really hope that Oda can become healthier and healthier, and that we can get some filler arcs as well as some special episodes (such as Chopper Man) after Dressrosa. If the anime staff are able to get more freedom, the anime will just be simply awesome.
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I wrote these words in the animation study thread a few months ago. My English is not very good so please excuse my copy and paste. It's really not easy for me to type a lot of words in English. lol
In these words I argued that there are a lot of episodes which were underrated in this forum, and now I'd say #709 is another example. #709 was a typical traditional One Piece episode, and the using of flashbacks in #709 had the similar directing technique of #87. I've just watched the Log Collection DVD of Chopper Arc again so I'm very sure, and in fact Tokoro is one of assistant directors in that time so it's not strange to see Tokoro bring this kind of directing technique from past to present. One might disliked this episode just because the story was about Bellamy who was disliked (or at least not liked very much) and not interested in by some people, but obviously it doesn't means the episode itself was bad, like what I mentioned in the words above.
Maybe we all forgot our initial state of mind.
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1. The news is fake. What I can say is that new planning of One Piece anime has begun. But I cannot say more.
oh come on, tell us something more, give us a hint :) you can't tease us like that :P
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That was a very interesting read, thanks Sun_Chopper! I completely agree that the anime staff have improved Dressrosa as a structure, unfortunately most of the shots focus on the characters and not their surroundings, when the expansion of the surroundings do come into play they are often overlooked. It's still just as hard for an anime viewer to keep track of where each character is located and how each of them manage to move around at a different speed. The next episode with Jora will most likely be the biggest case of 'how the hell did she move around so fast?' I think the staff miss a lot of opportunities out to build suspense with background characters. If I remember correctly they at least did it when Bellamy walked back to the castle to meet Doffy.
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3 or 4 long episodes per year would be perfect. Just look at Sabo's special.
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3 or 4 long episodes per year would be perfect. Just look at Sabo's special.
I hope they do the second half of Dressrosa next year for an Episode of Law.
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In addition, some people think that fewer pages means worse pacing, and some people think that slower camera movement/switching means worse pacing. I feel sorry to say this, but these are two typical misconceptions about pacing. For example, #675 had only 13 pages covered, and it's camera movement/switching speed was very fast, but indeed this episode's pacing was too fast to express the the roots of Kyros's story. Have a comparison between this episode with the introduction of Kyros in #634, one may find that the depth was totally different. #676 had the same problem.
That was a great post. I quoted that part because it's something i've been saying for years: some manga readers obsess too much over the amount of pages covered. I've seen great episodes adapting 10 pages, and bad ones covering more than a full chapter.
Regarding the pacing, only time this arc i felt it was a recurring issue was in the Colosseum, especially when Luffy and Rebecca's blocks took part. And that's probably because i dislike Rebecca and other characters featured there.
Other than that, it's mostly something people keep mentioning for the sake of it. There's also the issue that manga readers are often too anxious to see particular scenes animated, so the road to reach those points can feel painfully slow. I used to be like that, but maybe i'm just not that into the manga anymore.And the "new planning"..i'm curious about what that could mean. Not expecting any major change, though. Maybe just a new producer for the new year?
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1. The news is fake. What I can say is that new planning of One Piece anime has begun. But I cannot say more.
2. If you guys dislike or hate One Piece anime, why not just drop the anime instead of watching, nitpicking and hating it EVERY SINGLE WEEK? Well, There are several people in Japan keeping watching, nitpicking and hating One Piece anime since 1999.
3. If one hates something, no matter how many progresses it has made, he/shw won't notice these progresses. Talking about preconception.
4. There are over 8 million audiences in Japan who are watching One Piece anime and loving it. These people would feel happy if One Piece anime got cancelled? Nice joke, my friends!
I'm curious about the japan thing, is it actually common for people in Japan to complain about the One piece anime?
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I'm curious about the japan thing, is it actually common for people in Japan to complain about the One piece anime?
If by complain and population(less than .1%), you mean people on an internet forum who have nothing to do but complain about a children's cartoon. Than I would say, not as often as you would think.
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Hey guys, my sister started watching the anime and is currently in the Arlong arc. In the meantime IĀ“m browsing the wiki to check for fillers and whatnot for her to avoid (she just wonĀ“t want to stick to the manga and says she doesnĀ“t mind the pacing), and something caught my attention. Some episodes, for example, the loguetown arc ones, are labeled as "remastered in 2013"
Where can I find the remastered versions? Also, are they remastered regarding art/animation? Or like the One Pace project: Fixing pacing and removing filler?
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I think they were just upscaled to HD and had the picture cropped to be widescreen like Dragon Ball Kai was.
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Hey guys, my sister started watching the anime and is currently in the Arlong arc. In the meantime IĀ“m browsing the wiki to check for fillers and whatnot for her to avoid (she just wonĀ“t want to stick to the manga and says she doesnĀ“t mind the pacing), and something caught my attention. Some episodes, for example, the loguetown arc ones, are labeled as "remastered in 2013"
Where can I find the remastered versions? Also, are they remastered regarding art/animation? Or like the One Pace project: Fixing pacing and removing filler?
All they did was upscale and crop the episodes to the 16:9 resolution (from the old 4:3 resolution). It really doesn't look any better.
Comparison screenshot:
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If you want to see it for yourself in motion though, you can find it here, labeled as special edition.
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Thanks for the info! Wish I could make her watch your One Pace version though, specially because sheĀ“s quite busy through the week and hardly gets to watch over 5 regular episodes per fortnight
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Just wondering, how are the subs and video quality on crunchyroll for One Piece and other anime series compared to fansubs?
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Just wondering, how are the subs and video quality on crunchyroll for One Piece and other anime series compared to fansubs?
The video quality is pretty good one Crunchyroll. I don't mind paying the 6 dollars or so for a subscription, the subtitles seem accurate to me. I don't even bother with less than legit sites and apps anymore. Crunchyroll and Hulu seem to have all the series I could want. Although the Simulcast on Crunchyroll is a huge plus.
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Excuse me if this is an ignorant post, but who exactly is "Sun_Chopper"
Why are we to believe you have an inside scoop on what is to come in the future of the anime?
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Just wondering, how are the subs and video quality on crunchyroll for One Piece and other anime series compared to fansubs?
For One Piece? Either Crunchyroll's quality is BETTER than the fansubs, or at best the fansubs will be ON PAR with Crunchyroll. See, the thing is, either fansubbers will use TV-recordings (which I feel like have gotten progressively more and more garbage over the past few years) or they'll just rip Crunchyroll and edit the subtitles. The latter practice becoming ever more common these days. So really, aside from the BluRays which are like a year behind, Crunchyroll's 1080p encodes are the best quality videos you're gonna get.
Subtitle-wiseā¦ They're filled with awkward phrasings and even more awkward line-splits. I mean, I am a fansubber myself and we recently switched to editing the official subs... I end up facepalming at their phrasing or line-splits at least once per episode.
01[17:13] <&Lord_Starfish> Dialogue: 0,0:18:34.57,0:18:36.23,Main,,0,0,0,,This is exactly the same
01[17:13] <&Lord_Starfish> Dialogue: 0,0:18:36.23,0:18:40.01,Main,,0,0,0,,situation as what happened in the Block D match at the Colosseum.
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Excuse me if this is an ignorant post, but who exactly is "Sun_Chopper"
Why are we to believe you have an inside scoop on what is to come in the future of the anime?
You'll need to expand on that if you'd like members to understand what you mean specifically.
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You'll need to expand on that if you'd like members to understand what you mean specifically.
Well above people were talking about the Rumor that One Piece's anime will be put on two year hiatus and Sun Chopper said
"The news is fake. What I can say is that new planning of One Piece anime has begun. But I cannot say more."So outside of these forums who is Sun Chopper? Why would he have an inside scoop on whats to come with the anime?
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Thanks for the answer Vegard. I'll probably just end up watching the fansubs again for my next rewatch of One Piece. I don't really like the way the subs look on the DVDs and fansubbers seem to use way better fonts than CR, HorribleSubs and the ones that are on the DVD release.
Another thing that bothers me about CR and such, I don't really like how the attacks are translatedā¦ I may seem like a weeaboo but I hate how gum gum sounds compared to gomu gomu. Haha.
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@Vegard:
For One Piece? Either Crunchyroll's quality is BETTER than the fansubs, or at best the fansubs will be ON PAR with Crunchyroll. See, the thing is, either fansubbers will use TV-recordings (which I feel like have gotten progressively more and more garbage over the past few years) or they'll just rip Crunchyroll and edit the subtitles. The latter practice becoming ever more common these days. So really, aside from the BluRays which are like a year behind, Crunchyroll's 1080p encodes are the best quality videos you're gonna get.
Subtitle-wiseā¦ They're filled with awkward phrasings and even more awkward line-splits. I mean, I am a fansubber myself and we recently switched to editing the official subs... I end up facepalming at their phrasing or line-splits at least once per episode.
When it comes to the subs, at least they're not worse than Funimation. The way Funi treats their streamings is almost a joke in every regard.
They go from questionable to plain nonsensical translation choices, not to mention the dumb mistakes with timing and the likes. I watched episodes where the same line stayed on the screen for like two minutes.So outside of these forums who is Sun Chopper? Why would he have an inside scoop on whats to come with the anime?
I don't think he's anyone special, but he seems to follow the steps of people behind the show very closely. So maybe he talks to someone from the inside?
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For the most part, Funimation and Crunchyroll use the same translation spread sheet
Thanks for the answer Vegard. I'll probably just end up watching the fansubs again for my next rewatch of One Piece. I don't really like the way the subs look on the DVDs and fansubbers seem to use way better fonts than CR, HorribleSubs and the ones that are on the DVD release.
Another thing that bothers me about CR and such, I don't really like how the attacks are translatedā¦ I may seem like a weeaboo but I hate how gum gum sounds compared to gomu gomu. Haha.
Those are very minor (and very silly) reasons not to support the official streaming services.
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Thank you.
I hope we find out soon, what this new restructuring is.
I have my fingers crossed for a "filler hell" like Naruto had during it's part 1.
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When it comes to actual translations, fansubs are the way to go. By that I mean modern fansubs because those still around put a lot of work into making them a cut above CR quality and doing actual translation work.
Video-wise, I agree that CR has probably the best HD video quality out there, and that seems to be true for any show these days that are an actual 1080p stream. Only blu-ray will have that beat
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Geezā¦ Crunchyroll really does have way better video quality compared to KF's old fansubs. Might have to just go with CR. I am one indecisive prick. Haha.
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For the most part, Funimation and Crunchyroll use the same translation spread sheet
As far as i know, their translations are different.
But i was mostly talking about shows that are Funi-exclusive. It's not unexpected to see nonsensical lines and timing issues, they're just pretty bad.
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Very interested in what the 'new planning' of One Piece is if it is indeed true.
If something is going to change in the foreseen future it will probably be when Dressrosa is over, similar to when Punk Hazard began. This could be anything from who handles production to a complete switch to a long filler arc, or even as dramatic a new One Piece series re-capping previous arcs. What do you think?
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Very interested in what the 'new planning' of One Piece is if it is indeed true.
If something is going to change in the foreseen future it will probably be when Dressrosa is over, similar to when Punk Hazard began. This could be anything from who handles production to a complete switch to a long filler arc, or even as dramatic a new One Piece series re-capping previous arcs. What do you think?
I think Sun_Chopper should tell us what this is about, though I don't think it will be anything but a new character designer or something like that.
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I think Sun_Chopper should tell us what this is about, though I don't think it will be anything but a new character designer or something like that.
One Piece is a HUGE property in Japan, it has huge is some territories but has never caught on in many countries.
Toei sees potential in many of their properties internationally, just look at Dragon Ball Z, however unlike DBZ One Piece has been airing for 16 years a snail pace story.
There are re-cap specials/movies, all released out of chronological order, varying in quality and mixed up between filler and cannon. It's not straightforward.
Then they have the Special Edition HD masters of an SD mastered show for the first 200 or so episodes, it's a step up but it doesn't change the sheer amount of episodes a new viewer has to go through.If Toei wants to do it right it would be their best interest to re-animate One Piece right up to the time-skip, a faster pace, the right aspect ratio, marketable to newcomers/fans/broadcasters and most importantly a better representation of the manga.
It would be a huge project and it will probably never happen. Whatever changes are being made to the anime right now probably won't make a difference in the slightest. The only thing I'd like to see improved is the aesthetic that was introduced from the time-skip onward. EDIT: Just compare how vibrant the digitally colored manga looks when compared to the anime.
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How close has the anime came to manga in the past? like currently the gap between anime-manga is of 30 chapters, so was there a time when the gap was extremely less, like 10-20 chapters?
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How close has the anime came to manga in the past? like currently the gap between anime-manga is of 30 chapters, so was there a time when the gap was extremely less, like 10-20 chapters?
btw, how long does it take to create an episode?Yes. I heard the gap was much smaller after Skypiea and again after Enies Lobby.
Apparently, it takes about 3 months to create one episode of One Piece. Not sure if this is still true or not.
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Yes. I heard the gap was much smaller after Skypiea and again after Enies Lobby.
Apparently, it takes about 3 months to create one episode of One Piece. Not sure if this is still true or not.
I believe that's true, not sure if that includes character designs. If anyone has any information on the production pipeline it would be worth sharing.
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Three-four months is probably the average for an average One Piece episode, though I don't know what percentage of that is spent on animation and what percentage is the planning, storyboarding, etc. Episodes with more budget behind them take longer, since I remember Takashi Otsuka tweeting that episode 521 took roughly six months from start to finish.
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Thanks guys, that's way more than what i thought it would be. And now i'm gonna rewatch episode 521
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Toei sees potential in many of their properties internationally, just look at Dragon Ball Z, however unlike DBZ One Piece has been airing for 16 years a snail pace story.
There are re-cap specials/movies, all released out of chronological order, varying in quality and mixed up between filler and cannon. It's not straightforward.
Then they have the Special Edition HD masters of an SD mastered show for the first 200 or so episodes, it's a step up but it doesn't change the sheer amount of episodes a new viewer has to go through.I believe they will release a more streamlined version in the future if only to make it a more manageable syndication package. The thing is though is that they definitely aren't going to do this with the series still running as it would interfere with the ratings and current expectations of the new episodes. It's something we can only hope for after the fact. Also, much of the reason Dragon Ball got it was because Toei was building up the series revival with Super.
I agree that the Special Editions helped, even if it was a hollow gesture that required nothing more than placebo up-resing and cropping, much like the new versions of the pre-digital Simpsons episodes on the new F/X package and The Simpsons Channel. However, that is more to appease the iPod viewers than anything. The sheer bulk of the saga is a definite put-off. Someone sees 700+ episodes staring them in the face and their first reaction is "Uh-uh." It's poised to overtake the entirety of Dr Who in a few years
At best we could get some sort of The East Blue/Grand Line recut separate from the current New World adventures. However, current deals with the existing series are likely one of many roadblocks for the time being. I doubt they'll reanimate the whole series though. More likely any new animation will be limited to transitional sequences. They miiiight reanimate the first 200 just to make it true HD and absent of any such pan&scan cropping nonsense but that's as far as they'd go.
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At best we could get some sort of The East Blue/Grand Line recut separate from the current New World adventures. However, current deals with the existing series are likely one of many roadblocks for the time being. I doubt they'll reanimate the whole series though. More likely any new animation will be limited to transitional sequences. They miiiight reanimate the first 200 just to make it true HD and absent of any such pan&scan cropping nonsense but that's as far as they'd go.
The fan's perspective is much different from a general audience and that of Toei's. One Piece is always going to have a steady following in Japan, the only real hurdle is keeping the show steady behind the manga, they might want to re-animate the first portion of the series once the main series is over (or in 20 years time as a revival after One Piece GT or whatever Toei wants to pull).
16 years is a long time for a show to be running, it would be great if Toei did decide to re-do the beginning of the series for a new audience, but that might hurt merchandising so you're right it will probably never happen.
The only thing that keeps it fresh is the occasional watchable episode and new background music. A reboot would be enjoyable. I don't think any other anime has been trailing behind the manga for this long.
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Unfortunately, the start of the story isn't the part that needs a remake.
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Why not do what they did with the alabasta saga movie for every arc? Then make that like a 51 episode recap thing to ship off into other countries? I don't know what I'm talking about, do I?
As for the current anime, why make the sure operate in season schedule format? 26 episodes a year like American shows? It would drastically help the pacing methinks.
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Why not do what they did with the alabasta saga movie for every arc? Then make that like a 51 episode recap thing to ship off into other countries? I don't know what I'm talking about, do I?
Because the Alabasta movie was terrible and trying to condense a long arc into the length of a movie is counter-productive since it's cutting out any tension and build-up that the original had.
If I recall, Oda also told them to stop retelling arcs as recap movies after Episode of Chopper underperformed.As for the current anime, why make the sure operate in season schedule format? 26 episodes a year like American shows? It would drastically help the pacing methinks.
It's already been mentioned numerous times why that won't happen.
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I agree with the movie thing. Although for the longer arcs, why not try to condense them into like 15-20 episodes worth of content? (Effectively two 2 hour movies). That would actually be in line with some of the previous arcs like the Arlong Arc. But yeah, that will probably still kill tension.
As for the season schedule, is it because the ratings are still good every week? so as a result they'd be losing viewership (and then advertising money) for no reason?
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As for the season schedule, is it because the ratings are still good every week? so as a result they'd be losing viewership (and then advertising money) for no reason?
That, plus the fact that interest in the anime would wane over time and securing a timeslot in Japan is a lot more difficult than in the west.
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As for the current anime, why make the sure operate in season schedule format? 26 episodes a year like American shows? It would drastically help the pacing methinks.
But not the ratings,which in the end,is the thing that matters most in their eyes.
Edit :Plus the logistics behind it seem quite complicated. Much too complicated for either of us to understand.