This is soulful, aye?
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I can't even get mad at this one:
Those pictures are from like 10 years ago.
This is soulful, aye?
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I can't even get mad at this one:
Those pictures are from like 10 years ago.
This is soulful, aye?
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lol look at dis scrub who hasn't read the collected volumes
@Kaizou:
It looks like various book stores in Japan are treating Hunter x Hunter as a completed series.
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/kaizou_10/70859156/78237/78237_original.jpg
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/kaizou_10/70859156/78495/78495_original.jpg
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/kaizou_10/70859156/78705/78705_original.jpg
But Jump is listing HxH every week as on Hiatus on the TOC page. So, it has not yet officially ended.
@Kaizou:
Those pictures are from like 10 years ago.
@Monkey:
lol look at dis scrub who hasn't read the collected volumes
@Gillian:
Is that from the like three chapters in the most recent volume or two that he didn't redraw out of the hundreds he did?
Boy you sure destroyed my argument!
Was there a previous case of where a mangaka was switched midway and the manga still stayed popular?
Was there a previous case of where a mangaka was switched midway and the manga still stayed popular?
No, there is none. Heck, that case never happened before in Japan.
@Kaizou:
No, there is none. Heck, that case never happened before in Japan.
Thought so :/
Thanks for the info.
The first chapter of Sesuji wo Pin! to was great! Hopefully it can survive and become a permanent addition to ESJ.
Interestingly, since it seems that Lady Justice won't be included in this round of Jump Start, I suppose it means that it'll just be between Sesuji wo Pin! to and Devilyman for the spot on the ESJ roster?
I quite enjoyed the first chapter of Straighten Up! But I'm intrigued to see how the author will handle shorter chapters since the theme requires quite a few panels to depict the different steps of the dances.
The first chapter alone had more character and fun than the entirety of Black Clover's run so far, IMO.
Really liking Straighten Up. Unless Devily Man is outstanding, I think it's staying in ESJ.
@Gillian:
Actually that is the chapter where you see than Togashi scribbles are more artistics than all those good generic drawersβ¦
Actually that is the chapter where you see than Togashi scribbles are more artistics than all those good generic drawersβ¦
Now I'm a massive HunterxHunter fanboy, but this is really pushing it. The unchanged scribbles in the volume release are not defendable.
WHo cares abotu HxH. I just want Beet the Vandel Buster to finish.
@Kaizou:
I did look at his most recent artwork and I think he is delivering same thing as usual. Maybe because there are too much speech bubbles for current chapter.
anyway, Togashi's been on a "No Assistant" stance for a very long time. I think an entire new artist replacing him is completely out of the question.
He very clearly had assistants for the first time on his last run. So no, that's not out the window.
@Monkey:
lol look at dis scrub who hasn't read the collected volumes
I'd be silly not to know about how he redrew the collected volumes. Still doesn't make the originals funny.
I just want Beet the Vandel Buster to finish.
Then, you should pray harder for the artist to feel better because the artist is sick since 9 years now.
He very clearly had assistants for the first time on his last run.
Not a first time. I know he has some awful scribbles, but it is mostly around when he started to serialize irregularly. After that, he maintain his quality of artwork.
Was there a previous case of where a mangaka was switched midway and the manga still stayed popular?
@Kaizou:
No, there is none. Heck, that case never happened before in Japan.
Crayon SHin Chan is still running even after the author's death using his old team.
Similarly, Lone Wolf and Cub ended at a proper place, then decades later picked up with the same writer, different artist.
There's also been a ton of licensed series where the creative team changes a ton. Lupin III has had several manga done that had little or no involvement from Monkey Punch. Slayers manga for instance, was an ongoing flood of mini-series, coming out frequently enough to basically be an ongoing, that had a couple different artists on it, but generally the same writer that did the original novels.
Though in those cases the series did take a hiatus and relaunch with a different subtitle, so I'm not sure that counts towards the question exactly⦠but no, it is not at all unheard of for a series to reach a stopping point, then start again with a new artist. Rare, but it happens.
@Kaizou:
Not a first time. I know he has some awful scribbles, but it is mostly around when he started to serialize irregularly. After that, he maintain his quality of artwork.
The art was very clearly different in his last batch. There was a use of backgrounds, and inking techniques that just aren't in Togashi's wheelhouse or style. (including things like how the grass or water effects were done, style of buildings, filling dialogue full panels with a fraction of a background, or the inclusion of ziptone)
I'm not saying Togashi is incapable of doing backgrounds, but the actual style and technique was very different, he had people helping him on that last batch, when he hadn't before.
@Kaizou:
Those pictures are from like 10 years ago.
This is from like, two and a half, and less than 15 chapters ago.. I don't think it's too farfetched to argue that he'd be better served with at least more usage of assistants.
Crayon SHin Chan is still running even after the author's death using his old team.
Similarly, Lone Wolf and Cub ended at a proper place, then decades later picked up with the same writer, different artist.
Well, that was basically very, very, very, very, very, and very special case since the original creator (or artist) was passed away.
Slayers manga for instance, was an ongoing flood of mini-series, coming out frequently enough to basically be an ongoing, that had a couple different artists on it.
Manga is a comicalization of the novel. So, this case doesn't correlate with those examples.
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This is from like, two and a half, and less than 15 chapters ago.. I don't think it's too farfetched to argue that he'd be better served with at least more usage of assistants.
http://i14.mangapanda.com/hunter-x-hunter/337/hunter-x-hunter-3091239.jpg
Unlike the other examples (which the scribble was changed to proper drawing in the volume), that chapter didn't change within the volume. So, I think Togashi purposely draw that way for that chapter.
Manga is a comicalization of the novel. So, this case doesn't correlate with those examples.
You mean the new stories written by the novels author specifically for the manga that weren't in Dragon Magazine or the novels at all? But that sold just as well as any other given Slayers manga?
Or the Lupin III stories that had no involvement from their original creator?
@Kaizou:
Well, that was basically very, very, very, very, very, and very special case since the original creator (or artist) was passed away.
There's also Cyborg 009.
Many years after Shoutarou Ishinomori's death, there is a "conclusion arc" being serialized right now on the web.
The final arc is drawn by Ishinomori's former assistant, basing the story on massive amounts of plot notes and unfinished novel scripts found after the author's death.
http://club.shogakukan.co.jp/book/detail-book/book_group_id/16/
You mean the new stories written by the novels author that weren't in the novels at all? But that sold just as well as any other given Slayers manga?
The comicalization do have some manga-original part as compared to actual novel, but the main one is still the light novel. So, Slayers isn't good example to argue the case about the original manga series which change the artist in midway. Plus, I don't think the manga was selling good (at least manga which started since 2008, not sure about before).
Also, the name of quote is wrong.
@Kaizou:
Unlike the other examples (which the scribble was changed to proper drawing in the volume), that chapter didn't change within the volume. So, I think Togashi purposely draw that way for that chapter.
Whats the difference in this case between "on purpose" and "lazy"?
People keep bringing up the series which the artist was changed due to the original creators are passed away.
So, is people expecting Togashi to die in order for the publisher to bring new artist to work on?
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Whats the difference in this case between "on purpose" and "lazy"?
We can't never know he was lazy or not. During the 10 week serialization, that was only one which he drew like that. If he was truly lazy, then isn't artwork should be like that for whole 10 weeks (and possibly beyond that)?
@Kaizou:
The comicalization do have some manga-original part as compared to actual novel, but the main one is still the light novel. So, Slayers isn't good example to argue the case about the original manga series which change the artist in midway. Plus, I don't think the manga was selling good (at least manga which started since 2008, not sure about before).
Also, the name of quote is wrong.
Trust me. I'm a big fan of the property.
The manga adaptation of the novels was only like, 9 volumes. It covered basically what the anime did in the first two seasons. Both based off the first 8 novels.
Slayers then, with the same writer and creator, then proceeded to have about 30 more volumes of new stories over the course of a dozen miniseries that were all new stories, including one that is still running, but had at least 3 different artists over those series.
The original artist was still alive. It was still ongoing. It just switched up artists due to schedules. (And most Slayers content came out pre-2005. Basing anything on whats been released since aside from the current ongoing is silly.)
All that said, that is just one example that I'm familiar with. I'm sure there are other situations where there is a writer in manga, who continues a series with a different artist, regardless of the circumstances (be they death or whatever)
I just pointed at Slayers because I know it retained the original author.
I could have gone to the Yugioh spinoffs or the Rock Lee manga or Negima's sub manga if I was only trying to find an example of something set in the same world that had little connection to the creator or established plots..
And theres still Lupin to account for where the author was just fine but didnt make the later content but its still entirely the same cast of characters.
Yes, its extremely rare that a new creator takes over a book for a still-living author. But it is NOT UNHEARD OF.
Especially if you throw a subtitle on it.
Just call it Hunter X Hunter Y Hunter Z and that's smoothed over for having a new artist. No biggie. Not unprecedented at all.
@Kaizou:
People keep bringing up the series which the artist was changed due to the original creators are passed away.
So, is people expecting Togashi to die in order for the publisher to bring new artist to work on?
Sure, that can be arranged. :ninja:
We can't never know he was lazy or not.
Sure, and we never know if certain someone really didn't know he ran with a deflated ball, but who are we kiddin right.
Trust me. I'm a big fan of the property.
The manga adaptation of the novels was only like, 9 volumes. It covered basically what the anime did in the first two seasons.
Slayers then, with the same writer and creator, then proceeded to have about 40 more volumes of new stories over the course of a dozen miniseries that were all new stories, but had at least 3 different artists.
This was not including the adaptations of the movies and such.
Are you saying that Slayers will be good example to argue for HxH to change the artist?
Sure. Its a example that I personally know immediately.
I'm sure there's plenty of others. And thats not counting spinoffs that don't have any creator touch in them which I know there's a ton of.
There is no inherent problem with the writer continuing a manga with a different artist. At all. It's not unprecedented. Certainly not in the "it has never happened ever" category.
Mostly its because the writer/artist combo is rare to begin with that you don't see it happen much.
I'm sure there are other situations where there is a writer in manga, who continues a series with a different artist, regardless of the circumstances (be they death or whatever)
No, there aren't.
I just pointed at Slayers because I know it retained the original author.
The comicalization is still one of media attention project for Slayers franchise. Plus, the main story is still for light novel; it won't be good example about changing the artist issue.
But it is NOT UNHEARD OF.
No, it is unheard in Japan unless you going to count those comedy spin-offs.
Just call it Hunter X Hunter Y Hunter Z and that's smoothed over for having a new artist. No biggie. Not unprecedented at all.
That's like for new animation season
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Sure. Its a example that I personally know immediately.
I'm sure there's plenty of others. And thats not counting spinoffs that don't have any creator touch in them which I know there's a ton of.
There is no inherent problem with the writer continuing a manga with a different artist. At all. It's not unprecedented. Certainly not in the "it has never happened ever" category.
Mostly its because the writer/artist combo is rare to begin with that you don't see it happen much.
Your argument basically work for the series by writer/artist pair. But, for series like one person doing everything; it didn't happened.
@Kaizou:
No, there aren't.
No, it is unheard in Japan unless you going to count those comedy spin-offs.
Literally said by the resident manga expert right here.
There's also Cyborg 009.
Many years after Shoutarou Ishinomori's death, there is a "conclusion arc" being serialized right now on the web.
The final arc is drawn by Ishinomori's former assistant, basing the story on massive amounts of plot notes and unfinished novel scripts found after the author's death.http://club.shogakukan.co.jp/book/detail-book/book_group_id/16/
You can always do what Hiroshi Motomiya did.
Despite being one of the biggest names and long time veteran mangaka, Motomiya says how he's a terrible artist and can't draw backgrounds worth squat. He often just draw the face or only the eyes and have his assistants finish almost the whole art.
I'm sorry all these legitimate examples of exactly what you asked for never happened ever just so you can stand by your point that there has never in all of recorded history even once been a case where a manga continued in some form with a different artist at some point due to some factor.
Okay, I'm going to explain this. Slayers manga is part of media mix project. Those mangas aren't for the main thing and most of them are like spin-off of main story, so the artist for those manga aren't really important, unlike the actual manga-original series.
So, having different artists for media mix project isn't good example to argue HxH issue.
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@Purple:
Literally said by the resident manga expert right here.
It looks like someone isn't listening to whole discussion.
5 days & 5 pages of HxH discussion, It's great to see that the hiatus haven't affected the fans passion for the series
anyway, any news on when will Toriyama & Katsura new manga start?
@Kaizou:
Unlike the other examples (which the scribble was changed to proper drawing in the volume), that chapter didn't change within the volume. So, I think Togashi purposely draw that way for that chapter.
I honestly do like the look of the chapter, but if I ever buy that volume, I think I'll still feel like I got ripped off. It's hard for me to believe that he couldn't have done it with a similar mood, but better art.
I'm sorry all these legitimate examples of exactly what you asked for never happened ever just so you can stand by your point that there has never in all of recorded history even once been a case where a manga continued in some form with a different artist at some point due to some factor.
To be fair, death is actually the only case I can think of.
There might be some example of this, but I can't think of any where an artist was replaced in middle of serialization for any other factor.
Of course, there have always been speculation of people wondering if the artist was secretly replaced. And in case of a few bigshot artists with a studio of their own (such as the above mentioned Motomiya), sometimes the artist shifts to doing less work than his assistants.
There's been a few cases where a co-writer got sort of replaced.
For example, the writer of Master Keaton was at one point removed from the prints and the editor of the duo said the writer didn't put much effort into it, and Urasawa and the editor ended up co-writing most of it. But removal of the writer's name caused a conflict of interest between the party involved and they had to stop the print. It wasn't until years later that new prints of Master Keaton was published. (which was one of the reason why I don't own the series yet, despite absolutely loving the series)
@Kaizou:
It looks like someone isn't listening to whole discussion.
I'm sorry that the whole point of this discussion is that there are instances where things have been taken over and that they can be taken over. Even if death is the only example Aohige can think of, your implicit statements that it's completely unheard of is just dead wrong.
@Purple:
I'm sorry that the whole point of this discussion is that there are instances where things have been taken over and that they can be taken over. Even if death is the only example Aohige can think of, your implicit statements that it's completely unheard of is just dead wrong.
I did mention previously that the death is only case; if you just go back, then you should see what I have wrote. Maybe I didn't add that part since I was in rush while writing that part. But, if you look back, then you should know what I'm saying.
@Kaizou:
I did mention previously that the death is only case; if you just go back, then you should see what I have wrote. Maybe I didn't add that part since I was in rush while writing that part. But, if you look back, then you should know what I'm saying.
You didn't, and Robby's whole point was that, and I quote, "_I'm sure there are other situations where there is a writer in manga, who continues a series with a different artist, regardless of the circumstances (be they death or whatever)" and "_But it is NOT UNHEARD OF." Literally from your own discussion and the points he's making. I mean I'm certainly making an effort to follow the conversation and not ignore legitimate examples of people taking things over.
To be fair, death is actually the only case I can think of.
Or maybe cutting out his arms
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@Purple:
You didn't, and Robby's whole point was that, and I quote, "_I'm sure there are other situations where there is a writer in manga, who continues a series with a different artist, regardless of the circumstances (be they death or whatever)" and "_But it is NOT UNHEARD OF." Literally from your own discussion and the points he's making. I mean I'm certainly making an effort to follow the conversation and not ignore legitimate examples of people taking things over.
I said I was in rush while writing that.
And yes, the death is only way. But, is Togashi died? Or is he in cricial situation of life or death? No. Except death of mangaka, there is nothing will change the artist in the midway of series.
So are you guys gonna reopen the HxH thread or what?
No living artist has been replaced during the original manga serialization.
Sequels, spin-offs and mixed media projects aren't the original, so they do not change the point.
There. Done.
Now to more important matters: Viz has done YOKO's new manga for the Jack Start, right? I so have to find the rip.
No living artist has been replaced during the original manga serialization.
Sequels, spin-offs and mixed media projects aren't the original, so they do not change the point.
There. Done.
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Shounen Jump Issue 25 Bottom 5:
Hinomaru Zumou
Kochira Katsushika-ku Kameari Kouen-mae Hashutsujo
World Trigger
Kagamigami
Ultra Battle Satellite (End)
Shounen Jump Issue 26:
Cover, Lead CP: Devilyman (New Series)
CP: Lady Justice, One Shot
P.S. Not sure if it is real
They ended UBS?!
I did not see this coming
@Kaizou:
Or maybe cutting out his arms
You meant his feet, right
Anyway I think he is an exceptional mangaka in many regards (good and bad).
He might just go for the route that no one else took before himβ¦or not!
@Kaizou:
Or maybe cutting out his arms
Or gouge his eyes out.
Or maybe lock him in a room and deprive him of food and sleep until his mind turns to mush, andβ¦
Oh, sorry. My mind went to a dark place.
So are you guys gonna reopen the HxH thread or what?
Why? There hasn't been any news and I think any discussion on the potential of continuing with a new artists has already run its course in here. What would be the point? Complain about the hiatuses some more? Debate his health? Or that the book shouldn't be a shonen because its age inappropriate? Just reread the thread if you want to loop into the same three discussions that always happen on breaks.
Why? There hasn't been any news and I think any discussion on the potential of continuing with a new artists has already run its course in here. What would be the point? Complain about the hiatuses some more? Debate his health? Or that the book shouldn't be a shonen because its age inappropriate? Just reread the thread if you want to loop into the same three discussions that always happen on breaks.
That was my point is that you guys essentially were doing the exact same thing that got the HxH thread closed in the first place (so yeah, may as well open it back up). But, as usual, snark tends not to translate on the Internet.
Anyway, moving onβ¦
The main difference is, here, it can actually finish and move on after a day of discussion (After its been about a year since it was last discussed). Given its own thread it just regurgitates endlessly.
@Kaizou:
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Shounen Jump Issue 25 Bottom 5:
Hinomaru Zumou
Kochira Katsushika-ku Kameari Kouen-mae Hashutsujo
World Trigger
Kagamigami
Ultra Battle Satellite (End)Shounen Jump Issue 26:
Cover, Lead CP: Devilyman (New Series)
CP: Lady Justice, One ShotP.S. Not sure if it is real
World Trigger is absent, so fake!